Youthful Killer's Lawyer Doesn't Buy "GTA Made Me Do It" Defense

September 26, 2006 -

The New Mexico attorney who defended teenage killer Cody Posey during his murder trial doesn't think much of Jack Thompson's latest video game lawsuit.

Gary Mitchell's skillful defense efforts kept Posey out of the adult prison system for killing his abusive father and stepmother as well as his stepsister in 2004. The lawyer told the Albuquerque Journal that anti-game activist Thompson had contacted him "numerous times" before the criminal trial, urging Mitchell to employ a Grand Theft Auto defense.

"I just didn't find it had any merit whatsoever," Mitchell said. The attorney is seen in the photo at left, conferring with Cody Posey.

According to the newspaper report, Thompson was encouraged to pursue a lawsuit against the video game industry by prosecutor Sandra Grisham.

That seems a bit odd on a couple of scores. First, during the trial, Grisham downplayed any mitigation of the crime based on the horrible physical and sexual abuse that Cody Posey suffered at the hands of his father and stepmother. In fact, Grisham's tough-as-nails approach sparked a fair amount of outrage in certain quarters. If she wouldn't agree that such egregious child abuse might be a causal factor, why would she think that video games might be?

The newspaper does not specify what level of involvement Grisham might have had, nor does Grisham confirm urging a lawsuit in the story. However, the Albuquerque Tribune reports that Cody's uncle, Verlin Posey asked the prosecutor about filing suit and Grisham contacted Thompson at that point.

Grisham did apparently raise the video game issue at one point during the trial proceedings, eliciting from Cody that he had played GTA as well as Tom Clancy's Shadow Ops.

(so... why isn't Ubisoft a defendant?)

Plaintiffs in the suit are Verlin Posey, brother of Cody's slain father Delbert Posey and Pat Basham, father of Cody's stepmother and grandfather of Cody's stepsister. It's interesting to note that Verlin Posey told Court TV that he was aware to some extent of the abuse Cody received at the hands of the deceased:

"My brother was trying to raise a man out of a boy that was admittedly skipping school and smoking dope and being a juvenile delinquent at times... I'm sure at times he probably crossed the line... Not only did he get spankings with a board or a belt... at times, he had to do push-ups because the spankings weren't working. When I saw him cross the line, instead of getting five swats he may gave given him seven or eight. When we get to the fine line of corporal punishment and abuse, it's all about opinion."

Other witnessed testified that Delbert Posey crushed Cody's fingers with a pair of pliers and held a hay hook to his groin. Cody told the court that on the night before the murders his father tried to make him have sex with his stepmother and burned him with a heated metal rod when he refused.

For his part Jack Thompson told the newspaper, "Our goal is to punish (the defendants) so severely that they will stop marketing this game to kids. They market them for kids; they assure parents as well as kids through various lobbyists that games are not harmful to kids. That is not true."

Plaintiff Basham said he was not interested in financial gain, but in saving other families.

"If we can get this game off the market, this kind of thing won't happen to other people like happened to us," he said.

Comments

Guys! Don't you understand? Mario is a murderer! GTA isn't the criminal, Mario and Luigi are! They caused that boy to kill his abusive family and snap! With the jumping (the horrid jumping!) and the throwing-fire-balls (oh heaven help us all!), Mario clearly caused this boy to snap and kill those innocent child-beaters and rapists!


...and if anyone thinks I was being serious, then you need to go to a medical facility.


On a more serious note, I don't think anyone has even said that Cody Posey even played a SINGLE video game. I could have missed this, but if no one else saw it, then this charede (sp?) against video games is a lost cause.

My thought on this... for a kid like Cody... who would have purchased that game? It appears he did play it, but with the restrictions on his life, someone else would have had to provide the game system for him. Seems odd, doesn't it? Maybe Delbert wanted to keep him busy in his room so he wouldn't notice what else was going on in that house.

I think violence in video games does have a negative impact on young people who become desensitized, but it was not the primary factor in the deaths of Cody's family. It was also not the first time he was required to kill something on the ranch or use a gun. What about his own dog his father forced him to shoot?

Oh sure go right past the abuse... More links there then in VG violence *sigh*
And Jack is certainly lookin' like an ass the more he does, least IMO.
Oh and how do i post using my account? Can't quite get it. -__-'''

I'm having a very hard time with this one, moreso than any other ridiculous stunt he's pulled. The only instance I can even begin to REMOTELY compare would be the whole Jacob Robida thing (jackvsgoliath.com remember that guys?) where it was severely obvious that Robida was a neo-nazi fuck-hole who could obviously care less about what he did in a video game. His only lead was the quote from Robida's friends that mentioned he liked playing video games. That's not really a "lead" in normal legal terms, but hey, Jack needs to eat too, kids.

This, however, seems a bit, how to best say this, "off the charts", as a psychologist might say. Now I understand that he was, reportedly, "asked" to come and assist in this case, but we still have no real attachment to the "lead". They stand to gain nothing by hiding details until the trial, none that I could foresee by examining what facts we already have, per se. My imagination could run wild attempting to conjure up some really drug-influenced "master plan" they could be cooking up. I just imagine Jack and this other guy standing over a boiling pot emiting an eerie green glow. It works really well because Jack already has the "mad-scientist" plumage going for him. It's very funny.

Either way, this really has no direction to it and odds are Jack is going to make at least 20 new enemies before he's removed from the counsel, and this will all happen before the trial begins. He'll still claim in involvement, just like he STILL does for Alabama (By the way Jack, how's that going for you? Alabama...you know? Where tou were kicked off the counsel. Where you were supposedly asked to testify later on, but haven't done so yet. That still goin for ya?), but in the end it will be another loss for Jack. Not really a win for us, since he's not a threat. He's a nuissance to us, but ask other people in your ordinary day, who aren't part of this sort of "cult" and ask if they know who "Jack Thompson" is. They'll either say the actor, or "nope".

Jack, my name is Dan Barron, you can contact me by e-mail at SadButTrue@comcast.net if you would be so kind as to answer some of my questions. I know you're reading this because you google your own name just to feel like someone is paying attention to you. You, sad, pitiful, bottom-feeder, you. Pray to your god, the heavens may save you.

P.S. WHERE ARE THE FORUMS?!

:: Evil alternate universe nightwng2000 takes over Good nightwng2000's computer ::

So, does anyone else think they shoulda launched at 7:30am? I mean, they waited til AFTER John Bruce polluted the atmosphere of NM with that braindead press conference and all those empty headed claims of his.

http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?ID=17331

I'm mean, really, I wouldn't call this a coincidence that he had his press conference on the same day a rocket blew up, do you?

:: Good nightwng2000 jumps in, pounds Evil nightwng2000 several times, then tosses him back to his own reality. ::

Sorry about that. I'll try to keep a better reign on him. :)

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I don't know what I'm more saddened by: Jack's usual ambulance chasing, or Sandra Grisham's complete ignorance of evidence. It's hard to say which one's license to practice law I'd like to see pulled first.

I'm not condoning what Posey did, but it's obvious the kid had a problem that gaming in no way, shape, or form contributed to.

Small update since some have asked. Had a short interaction with Gary Mitchell today. Though he refers to himself as "Cody's attorney" he has not been served the complaint. We shall see how this goes.

At the same time an astute regular reader points out that Verlin Posey has one other dog in this fight. Second to a possible escape from his poverty Verlin always ran on about how his brother was not a terrible man and incest prn addict. This case may also be seen by him as a way to help vindicate Delbert as well.

The link above may really have been - http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?ID=17326

“If we can get this game off the market, this kind of thing won’t happen to other people like happened to us,”

What you mean murder? Oh I'm sorry but people have murdered others long before the release of GTA. Oh and in Gta you never kill family members (except for once and that's because they tried to kill you).

@Terminator44

Hell, when I was a kid, I was in SCHOOL at 2 in the afternoon, and I watched Looney Toons and ANimaniacs if anything (in the afternoon)

I'm pretty sure that the abuse he sustained at the hands of his father had much more to do with the shooting's then gta.

Thou i have no problems with a kid being physically punished for breaking rules in-fact push-up's seems like a good punishment.

However spanking with a belt or a board then push-up's seems like a good way to build up your childs resentment, then theres the crushing of his fingers with plyers more resentment, add holding a hayhook to his groin to intimidate him, then add his father try'ing to make him have sex with his stepmother and then burning him with a heated metal rod when he refused
the whole... ordeal was the last straw all the resentment all the humiliation all the emotions he had been up all came out.

After all his father punished him only for doing wrong (i hope). Then the whole go have sex with your stepmother thing happens. I dont know what he was thinking then. Maybe he thought it was a test or something so he refuses after all its the right thing to do... right? But his father burns him with a heated metal rod when he refuses.

At the point of the murder he was either:
1. His view of right and where skiewed he was confused and angry ready to lashout at anything or even everything kind of like a wild animal thats been run into a corner.
Or
2. So emotionaly and physicaly scared, beaten, and abused that he felt hollow. No anger, no pain, no fear, no pitty, and no remorse. What he had been through was what put him over and all he wanted to do at that time was to kill. Kill his abuser, kill all that was within sight, kill anything that got in his way, maybe even kill himself.

whatever the reason. What happened next we more or less know already.

And now Jack wants to say "GTA made him do it. Rock star should be punished". Im sorry but that cheapens the "training" his father gave him, his abuse, those who where killed, and there memory.

now im not saying what Cody is in any way right or justified. life worth far more then most anything. its just that death is also worth something no.
You can give a life meaning. You can do the same with death. regardless of it being life or death there is meaning and meaning is worth a lot.

My local news set just ran the story.

The Mistakes:

- While explaining the story, they showed a video of GTA: SA instead of the mentioned Vice City

- The called Jack Thompson "Joe Thompson"

- They labeled the wrong person as "Joe Thompson"

And in a little color commentary, the anchors giving the news said it was "awful" how a game like that could be "given so freely to children"

*sigh*

"The 68-page lawsuit also alleges that the video game trained Posey how to fire a weapon and turned him into an "extraordinarily effective" killer."

Is that so? But what is this I see in the transcript from the criminal trial?

""Finally, Cody, your dad bragged about what a good shot you were, didn't he?" Grisham said.

Posey's face fell. Mitchell objected, but Judge James Waylon Counts allowed the question.

"Yes ma'am, I've been known to shoot well," Posey said."


So he had practiced with a real gun before? With his father watching? And his father even bragged about what a good shot he was? Like I said before, chances are that the father is the one who taught him to shoot. Either way, it's quite clear the games are not what taught him.

So does that mean Jack has beat committed perjury before the trial has even started? Sure looks like it to me...

Like I said before, chances are that the father is the one who taught him to shoot.

Really? Well ain't that kind of funny. The guy trains his son to use a gun, and then the kid shoots him (years later) for how badly he was treated, kind of ironic. He goes so over the top with his lessons and yet the one kind of nice thing he does to the kid comes back and bites him in the ass

the fact that Posey's victims were each shot in the head, which he said is a somewhat unusual target given the smaller head mass.
Ignoring the fact that the auto-aim in GTA aims for the enemies body, not the head, and the fact that Posey's father taught him how to shoot, I'm sure no one has ever shot someone else in the head before. It sounds like these attacks were all done at close range, where the head is still easy to hit.
Furthermore, who cares? I mentioned this in another thread, but is it a crime to know how to fire a gun accurately? If so, then shooting ranges should be taken down, and no father should be allowed to take his son hunting. Let's ban NERF while we're at it.

This is a very serious and tragic event. I don't even want to imagine what this boy and his family have been through. His abuse, the fact that he has to face what he has done for the rest of his life. I don't think that there's such a thing as a bad person. His life to a very bad turn and he made some very bad mistakes. We aren't really hearing about this right now though are we? Somehow, all of the blame is being placed on something stupid and trivial. I'm insulted. I'm disgusted. If Jack Thompson really is the person driving all of this then I am beyond sickened with him at this point. I think this is the most insane thing he has ever been involved with. This may turn out to be a cautionary tale about what can happen when you throw common sense out the window.

And here we have definitive proof of Mr. Thompson's motivations. The manipulation of grieving families only goes to show that he's more interested in leaving a legacy than helping the truly agrieved.

What I don't understand is how on earth can anyone legitimately think that GTA had anything to do with this? I'd think anyone with even the smallest degree of common sense would be able to see that abuse was the sole motivating factor here.

When people,I don't know if it's going to be us Joe-Gamers,the ESA,or the Flordia bar,FINALLY go to War with this maniac,this case will be their greatest weapon. i think that if his Desire to ambulence chase over his care for human decency was bought to light,he would lose his job and reputation.

I would perfer it if that moment would come sooner. But i have to admit...

It's kind of sad that the man isn't aware of his condition.

Two points spring to mind-

i/ With regards to the 'abuse' angle, if we're going to say that GTA's display of violence put the idea of Fatal Justice into Cody's mind, can we say the same thing about the displays of violence by his parent, even before we start to think about resentment or scarring? Could he be imitating him and not the game?

ii/ If we take JT's line and say that if he didn't play GTA and so wouldn't have killed anyone, what would he have done instead? Would he have still have fought back, but just enough so that Dad backed off (whereas the game only really would have suggested an alternative method and becomes irrelevant, rather than an out-and-out solution, as is being implied by Thompson), or would he just have sat there and took it, and this would be a whole other murder case with Delbert in the docks instead?

/b

PS- seconded on the comments system. Wouldn't know what to do about it though, so I'm no help.

@BOB:

That is hilarious and scary at the same time. Not to get personal, but I was curious as to what city you are from (or near) and what network that was?

Oh my a lawyer with a brain!
JT better stay away or he will lose his mental loopyness...

BTW so far I hate the new comment system *L*

Oh Jack, you sorry, pathetic excuse for a Cro-Magnon...stop acting like you care about those you represent, it's obvious that you only care about yourself and your stupid crusade. You made that apparent when you tried to defend that scumbag Devin Moore who IMO, is only one step below you on the evolutionary scale.

Sorry, had to vent a little bit. Everyone's already gone over what I wanted to say, but OT, yesterday I received a response from the e-mail I sent to Mike Strobel, did anyone else get one? I want to see if it's the same as mine.

hayabusa75,

Actually, Thompson wasn't defending Moore. He was suing him (and Sony, Take-Two, and Rockstar) on behalf of his victims' families.


Andrew Eisen

...and Wal-Mart and Gamestop if I remember right.


Andrew Eisen

To illspirit,

Does the court manuscript show any evidence as to say how close he was to his victims when he shot them? Was it at close range? If so, how close?

I'm smelling a Robida on this one as far as thompson is concerned. Any way to find out the sheriff's deputy that told thompson about the game and console, if that even actually happened?

"The defendants do not market GTA to kids. I’ve called Thompson on this repeatedly and all he’s ever been able to come up with was a GTA commercial airing during ESPN Sports Center at two in the afternoon."

What Jack doesn't know is that the cable networks decide when to air the commercials. Videogame companies have no control over when their ads air. ESPN aired the commercial at 2:00PM, not Take-2, not Rockstar.

I live in southeast Wisconsin, no real town. Mine is considered "unincorporated."

Now Jack has gone and done it.

He's filed a huge lawsuit. One Rockstar can't ignore.

Now they're going to bury him. Rockstar has alot of money. And they'll use that to bury Jack and anyone associated with him.

They would be stupid to settle this. It would open them to all kinds of lawsuits, just to get money out of them.

And poor Jack is going to have to pay their legal fees. Well, his clients will, anyways.

Maybe Jack should be forced to pay the mil or two that Rockstar is going to spend defending this case.

Michael Morris destroyed any credibility the relatives of the abusive father and the stepmother might have had.

So far, in the last two years, Thompson has tried to extort through ligitation, at least $1.2 Billion from various video-game companies.

And Jack has gotten very little publicity from this, as no major newspaper here in Southeast Louisiana has picked up this story.

@jdmdsp911

I haven't been able to find much about the distances anywhere. However a few old news articles say the step-sister was shot from like 4 inches away. Since it happened inside the house, the range was probably short for all the shots.


Oh, and, I found something else interesting. When he was five, Posey's grandmother shot his grandfather, then offed herself:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12665680/page/6/

So now we have murderous/suicidal grandparents and an abusive father in his life for him to have learned violence from. But he really learned it all from the videogames? Ooookay....

Jack's tactics
I think I've figured out Jack Thompson's real tactics and I must say they are quite clever. One thing I have learned (through a funny experience I'll share if you want), is to NEVER under-estimate your opponent. Somehow I don't think that Jack Thompson (or anyone for that matter) could possibly be as stupid as Jack makes himself look like. So i thought what could Jack thompson really be doing? Well it's simple tactic that I call shock value and run. Remember when he sued the Florida Bar and then dismissed the case himself? Yeah well that got me thinking, how could Jack possibly think he's going to win this case? My answer he doesn't. So why is he doing this? To garner media attention if he can persuade the media to scapegoat video games (shouldn't be too hard) he wins. OR on the other side let's say this stupid case goes to trial people start treating it seriously game developers think twice about making (realistic) violent video games and Jack wins again. So all he has to do is make a big fuss over this one case, (which would explain 600 million dollars or whatever the amount) and whether he wins or loses is neglible as long as he can get the gullible, ignorant public on his side so video games look like some great evil. That's why he says all this rediculous crap that's why he seemingly doesn't give a crap about anyone he helps.

There is also a reason why he ridicules us. If he can get us to believe he is an idiot disgrace of a lawyer (which he has done with tremendous sucsess) we willa ll under estimate him we will all just sit back and watch (popcorn anyone) while he slowly formulates his next move whether it be political or a lawsuit. He also insults us because he hopes it'll make us do something stupid (like harrase him over the phone). So now gamers think of him as a sideshow and sit there and do nothing while he rallies public opinion against games while at the same time achieving nothing politically and losing his cases. Which brings me back to the 600 million dollar lawsuit, once public interest has faded, he'll either do something to get himself thrown off the case or drop it completely (unless it starts to gain sereious attention). He'll then continue on his stupid little mission and sit back and watch public do his bidding. His choice of crime may sound stupid but think about it Robida did hate crimes and this man codey is being potrayed as a psyhcopath if Thompson can convince ANYONE in power that a person becomes this from playing video games well . . . it would be bad. So there's my theory on Jacky boy. You might think the theory is stupid but assuming Jack Thompson was smart would it really be that hard to believe?

This was not asked of me, but as to how close Cody was to his victims when they were shot... close range. The furthest was his stepmother who was sitting on a couch a few feet away. He wears glasses for some things and I don't think he had them on when the shootings occurred... or during his confession tape. He can't see very well at any distance without his glasses. The last two victims were very close and his sister nearly point blank range. That was the saddest part. She walked in right behind his father. He shot five times and all hit their targets... apparently, he was known for being a good shot.

(so… why isn’t Ubisoft a defendant?)

Because thier game is about heroic soldiers defending the US from evil terrorists. You have to support teh troops.

Small correction... Marilea was Cody's stepsister.

illspirit,

4 inches away is pretty much point-blank range. So he didn't need "training" to hit a target from 4 inches away.

The holes in Jack's case are equivalent to the Grand Canyon.

Father Time,

When I see Jack Thompson, I see a man whose 15 minutes of fame ran out 4 years ago, and a one-trick pony who has brought nothing new to the table since the Padauch lawsuit he filed.

It's really the same old shit. The lawsuits he's filed are no different than the ones that were filed against Ozzy Osbourne and Judas Priest over their music and against Oliver Stone over the movie Natural Born Killers.

@andrew eisen:

Yeah, I know he was helping the plaintiffs in the Moore case, but didn't he create a conflict of interest when he unofficially advised the defense to use the video game angle after he had his temporary license revoked? That's what I was referring to. Or am I thinking of something else?

When I see Jack Thompson, I see a man whose 15 minutes of fame ran out 4 years ago, and a one-trick pony who has brought nothing new to the table since the Padauch lawsuit he filed.

It’s really the same old shit. The lawsuits he’s filed are no different than the ones that were filed against Ozzy Osbourne and Judas Priest over their music and against Oliver Stone over the movie Natural Born Killers.

Yes I know but Jack Thompson seems so well, formulated, his character seems so incredibally one-dimensional that I can't help but think that it's all a big overdone sham. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but still something about his formualic cut and paste, easy to immitate, attitude that I've never seen in a real human being just makes me suspicious to say the least. Maybe I'm just paranoid, maybe I'm over analyzing into it but still . . .

hayabusa75,

the judge told Jack to quit discussing the civil case, as it could have influenced the criminal trial:

http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/34681.html

The judge didn't toss Jack on his ear from the civil trial until way after the criminal trial ended.

"Oh Jack... it’s obvious that you only care about yourself and your stupid crusade."

Well of course. Since he's a Republican, all he cares about is money.

I talked to Cody yesterday and he told me his father bought the game and loved playing it himself. He played it with Cody and by himself. Just thought that should be told.

Thanks for speaking up, Sherry, :-) It would be hard to believe that Cody bought the game himself after hearing about how controlled his life was. If Cody was like most young men and was playing against his father... he probably did play it a lot when he could so he could best his dad at the game. I certainly watched young people in my living room practice their game playing skills to prepare for "battle."

Thanks for the info Sherry. It did occur to me that, judging from reports, the odds of Cody having access to his own Console seemed pretty slim. It makes more sense that it was his fathers.

Finally, someone has some common sense to NOT just use video games as a scapegoat for today's problems. Jack better reconsider his stance on this case, or it'll just get chalked up to another loss on his part.
---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

Hey, GP/Dennis...

I was browsing my friends page and I saw a new update for the gamepolitics account.

http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/

Weird...out of curiosity...who's Ace?

I may be a bit behind,but who are you,Sherry? do you know cody in person? thank you for speaking up on this forum. your information is greatly appriciated.

As much as we all might hate Jack in a way we should all be grateful that we havn't yet had to deal with someone who was given more than 1/4 of a brain. For all the yelling and screaming he does we should be thankful that his inability to put together simple ideas has allowed the mainstream media (for the most part) ignore him. My greatest fear isn't of Jack but of who will come after him. If the next Jack Thompson turns out to be even a bit more intelligent than the man we battle today then we could all have a real problem on our hands.

This has got to fucking stop. This is beyond him trying to blame games for whatever twisted reason he wants.

He is rewarding child abuse. He is giving this family, which was aware of the abuse the child was recieving yet still allowed it to go on - and now they're suing for a huge amount of cash, hell ANY cash?

This is child abuse of the worst kind. Not only did they allow it to go on, aiding in the abuse by willingly turning a blind eye, but they want money because the kid finally took the fight back to his parents?

I am seething with rage after reading this. It is utterly disgusting he is promoting this level of abuse towards children, and rewarding it.

I frankly don't give a shit he's trying to get violent games age resitrcted or whatever the fuck he tries next, this is something totally different, and destructive.

If they do win, which I highly doubt, that kid better get every fucking cent. He's the victim here, no matter which side of the story you listen too. He was 'trained' as a killer acording to Thompson, and according to everyone else he was abused.

So. Fucking. Pissed.

Some others have talked about this before but I will mention it again. Jack Thompson knows exactly what he is doing. He doesn't want to win this case. That is not his goal. His goal is to keep Rockstar and eventually stores like Wal-Mart and Gamestop busy. The more they have to spend on lawsuits like this, the more this leads to a chill effect in creativity.

There is a chance that stores like Wal-Mart will eventually get sick and tired (I know it is not the case with this lawsuit yet, but it will in the future with this case or others) of constantly being drawn into lawsuits about videogames. This can cause them to decide to pull games off the shelves. And that is exactly what Jack Thompson wants.

Jack also knows that when the industry actively fights him, he will be portrayed as the defender of Freedom of Speech by the media. Jack can't lose this in the eyes of the non-gaming crowd. He positions himself in such a way that he can only win, no matter if he loses a lawsuit or not. And this is the reason why he is such a dangerous person.

I am almost 100 % certain that is not the last lawsuit in which he tries to link the violence with videogames. He will always be somewhat on the sideline with these things and let someone else do it. This way he can pull out when things go wrong. That way he won't ever be blamed for failure but someone else will. He has done the same thing with the bill in the state of LA.

There are some people that think that Jack Thompson is just a fool and a weakling but don't be fooled by his act. Jack Thompson is much smarter than he portrays himself on the Internet to us. He knows that because he is a person fighting against faceless organizations, that whatever they do, it will look as they take away HIS Freedom of Speech. And that is all what matters in this fight. When we shoot him down, someone else will stand up to continue what he has started. This is why gamers can only win by getting the Supreme Court to announce that games are protected by the Constitution. The industry should have shot down Jack Thompson a long time ago, he may look like nothing but he has already gotten too powerful.

Dutch_gamer, it's not too late yet. Don't forget this is only about the second lawsuit that Thompson has called for Walmart.

Besides, Thompsons attempt to be "going against a faceless entity" has failed when he has tries to get game laws passed.

Michael Morris just posted a great column trashing this case:

http://mountainmailcountry.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=776
 
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Andrew EisenWell this is unique! A musical critique of the Factual Feminist's "Are Video Games Sexist?" video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4s7cV4Us409/20/2014 - 2:41am
Andrew EisenSome locked threads. Some let them be. So, no, I'm not seeing a problem here. No corruption. No collusion. No ethical problem with privately discussing ethics.09/20/2014 - 12:48am
Andrew EisenAnd still, in the end, Tito made up his own mind on how to handle his site. All 150 or so members went off to handle their own sites in their own ways. Some talked about it. Some didn't. Some changed disclosure policies. Some didn't.09/20/2014 - 12:40am
Andrew EisenThere were two comments other than Kochera and Tito's. One pointed out the Escapist Code of Conduct, another comment was in support of Tito.09/20/2014 - 12:40am
Andrew EisenKochera privately expressed his disagreement on how Tito decided to do something. No, I don't consider that crossing a line nor do I consider the exchange an example of the group pressuring him.09/20/2014 - 12:36am
Kronotechnical reasons. Anyways, I need to get to sleep as well.09/20/2014 - 12:29am
KronoAnd he wasn't the only one pushing Tito to censor the thread. If Tito had bowed to peer pressure, we likely wouldn't have gotten this http://goo.gl/vKiYtR which grew out of that thread. Said thread also lasted until a new one needed to be made for09/20/2014 - 12:28am
Krono@Andrew So it's an example of Kuchera crossing the line from reporter to advocate. And an example of the group pressuring for censorship.09/20/2014 - 12:21am
E. Zachary KnightAnyway, I am off to bed. I will probably wake up to all of this being knocked off the shout box.09/20/2014 - 12:20am
E. Zachary KnightKrono, that is the type of reading too much into things that bugs me. Ben did no such thing. Greg had the last word in that part of the exchange. The rest was about how to approach the story and Quinn.09/20/2014 - 12:19am
Andrew EisenSo?09/20/2014 - 12:13am
 

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