Georgia Guv Candidate Promises Video Game Legislation

September 27, 2006 -

In Georgia, Lieutenant Governor Mark Taylor is now making a bid for the top job. The Democrat is running TV spots promising to legislate video games.

It's the second ad we've seen in the last 24 hours that seems to equate the threat of violent video games with that posed by online predators. The other is from Ed Perlmutter (see following article) from Colorado.


Comments

there are already a million programs that allow parents to block porn from their kids, not to mention a little something called parent supervision.
where do kids get the money to buy video games? their parents, so really its not the stores problem

There's only one surefire way to keep kids from talking to online predators, and that's the get rid of the internet. I'm amazed that no "candidates" have ever proposed doing this. It's the "logic" thing to do, even though it's completely impossible and would piss off at least 99% of the world's population.

Likewise, we're going to have to outlaw violent and pornographic video games as well. Here's what we'll do. We'll put some incompetantly unrelated organization together to decide whether a video games is violent/pronographic or not, and if it is, then the developers can't sell it.

To hell with the FIRST FREAKING AMENDMENT, we have to save our kids because we're too lazy to take care of them personally. =\

Once again, yet another politician or lawyer who thinks that the parents aren't doing the job well enough to "protect" our children. I agree their are some really stupid parents in this country, but the bottom line is that a child is still under the guidance and authority of the parents, not the federal government. That's why I am completely against the government on video game legislation. (Other than the fact it's against the 1st amendment.) Our forefathers fought for a country that isn't 100% controlling over it's people. The King of England had that authority over his people then and our forefathers felt that he violated our God given rights. Well, it seems like the government are doing that now.

Parent: I govern my child. It's my responsiblity, not yours!

Government: No, the child is not an adult, thus he doesn't know anything. He is essential a property of the state and what we say must go. You have no authority!

Yeah, I'm not going to accept that. The Federal Government needs to worry about far more important issues than video game laws. If anything, parents need to be held fully responsible for the actions of their children. Bad parenting is entirely their fault. The government feels that children are just stupid and only their wisdom can protect them. You know, it's only a matter of time before Congress comes out and says "Governing our nations children is completely up to the government, not to the parents. WE are the authority."

Again, I point out that not all politicians are after full out video game bans. They just say that to get votes. All that matters is votes. It disgusts me the way politicians and our government acts.

Uhhh to what Josh said... A freaking Man, that's the point we've been after all along.

Say no to violent video games...

...say yes to killing.

He's good about the death penalty, but it's up to the parents to choose what their kid's play. Dont blame the damn kids, the parents need to take responsibility for the lack of teaching their children whats right and wrong, and that video games are what the name implies.

Once again, Video games are a decoy that murdering children blame. It has been proven that violent video games have about as much influence on kids as television, why don't we call for legislation on that?! death penalty I have no problem with, but stop trying to police what people (and kids) can look at! at this point they probably know more than adults do when it comes to "mature topics".

"but stop trying to police what people (and kids) can look at! at this point they probably know more than adults do when it comes to “mature topics”."

*sarcasm* NOOO! We must think of the Children! remember until you reach the age of "insert arbitrary age limit here" when you're suddenly, magically and miraculously able to handle the content of all media and withstand the supposed negative effects of it, you have no mind of your own and can't think for yourself. The government must control your thoughts and feeling through media restriction to keep you safe and protect you. *sarcasm*

On a serious note though i never brought up my opinion of the death penalty for repeat child molesters thing. Personally i'm against the death penalty but even if i was for it, i still feel it'a a bit too much for child molestation, as sick and perverted as it is. Lock them up in a cell for the rest of their lives for sure, casterate them to rid them of their sexual sickness, but as for death, i still think it's a bit too much although i can understand why people feel it's a good thing.

Okay legislating video games is totally gay. HOWEVER...
Total w00ts on the death penalty for rapists!!

Hey GP, the webcomic VGCats has taken notice of this story.

http://www.vgcats.com/

Won't someone think of the children indeed?

He won't be able to pass that "make video games illegal" shit, it's already been shot down in a few states as unconstitutional, not to mention impossible to enforce.

The only m-rated game I know of that I'd consider pornagraphic that is rated M is Killer 7. That is one screwed up game. Good, but screwed up.

Unfortunately, for those of you who think the whole 'legislate Video Games' wont fly, you need a little education on the topic. Mark Taylor as this Bill, called the Child Protection Act of 2007. In it is legislation that supports parents in blocking pornographic websites and reports communications of a dangerous/sexual nature involving minors. It also states tha the sale of Adult and Mature video games to a minor will be illegal. And lastly it states the death penalty for repeat child molesters...

This is all or nothing. The Entire Act passes or fails. He is getting people who feel strongly about Video-games to support his campaign to protect the 'children' and KILL the people who attack them. He is also getting people who fear the 'evils of the internet' to support his campaign to protect the 'children' and kill the people who attack them.

I wouldn't be suprised if there was a programming company in the background supporting him so long as they get to make all this 'internet safety' software he's gonna need.

Mark Taylor is using the parent's fear of raising children to support his desire to raise them himself.

Funny thing about this "evil" "vile" video game crap is that in Canada, minors are not allowed to buy video games that are not rated for there age groups. my 14 year old bro cant rent Fable LC with out me there to rent it for him. I'm 22 and i dont see a issue. Kids will allways be exposed to violance, theres TV, Movies, The World around them and School. Parents should be the ones held liable for letting there children play a game that has a clear and easy to understand raiting system that states that its not for there age group.

Just a little thing to think about here.
If the parent didn't get said game for child, then child got the game themself, correct?
-Where- did child get the $$ to buy the game? last time i checked, 10 year olds don't usually have more than $5. Even then, they spend it on candy, not games =/

Also, i'm not sure if the sale of M+ gmaes to minors is "illegak" here in New Zealand.. But if the guys at the store get caught selling one to a kid, they get fined like $10,000.
So, yeah. it probably is illegal here. We didn't care, got parents to rent/buy for us! they dont know what they're doing anyway. Last time i checked, i'm not a child mollester yet either. though i have craving to hump people while they're sleeping (Thanks MGS:2! (yes, i'm kidding.. =/))
So, while you may moan and complain about the sale of M= to kids being illegal, if it actually happens, you probably wont notice, or you'll find ways around it.

I don't remember who said it, but I agree that we should concentrate, as a group, on combating the campaign of misdirection and misinformation that the media puts on, turning video games into a sort of pariah. Until that campaign is defeated, everyone will be too busy reacting to the latest attack by the 'save the children, because their parents are too lazy to do so' crowd, to do anything in the way of educating parents about how they CAN protect their children from saturation in violence.

No-one can be saturated in violence 24-7 and still have it be something that surprises and scares them. Heck, my girlfriend grew up in a house where no-one raised their voices, and she gets a little wild in the eyes when we argue. I was raised in a household where yelling was a normal way of dealing with anger, so I'm not fazed by it.

The point is, videogames ARE getting more and more violent and graphic; They have to, with how much more graphically violent everyone's lives are getting. If video games can't maintain a level of violence that will shock and amaze, they'll go out of business. Consider if you were at level 4 in a game (mmorpg), and all of the friends you game with suddenly gained a level or two. You'd want to keep up, right? Same deal for businesses, and even industries.

The only viable way to reduce violence in video games is to adress the root causes of this violence: Violence in everyday life. If we lowered the violence level in all things our children are exposed to (as parents, individually), we would lower the amount of violence that they would need to see in order to be shocked and amazed. That means that parents (and as would say, I was lucky, since mine did this) need to pick up the slack, and stop buying games for their kids without learning what's in them, quit sending them to watch tv without any idea what they're watching, start playing with them, talking to them and even (gasp) maybe encouraging involvement in a sport or martial art (for those a little squeamish about violence in martial arts, I would like to point out that martial arts in general promote a healthy personality, and one that can play games without becoming unbalanced).The long and the short of it is: Don't treat the symptoms, get to the disease. The disease is lack of parenting; the cure is parents who pay attention.

sorry. As Azareas would say.

People don't seem to be getting the point.
'Outlaw violent and pornographic video games to minors'
So everyones having a fit because 12 year olds wont be able to beat hookers and have sex with them before they shoot them in the face?

Why do people under 16 (minors are under 16 where I live, heard it's 18 in other places) need to play pornographic video games in the first place? As said, the problem is mostly parents. Sadly, the parents seem to need some help. I wasn't allowed to play violent games until I was old enough to understand that what was happening in the games was fake and shouldn't be copied. I see my cousin's friends who play grotesque video games around the age of 9 or 10 and its ovbious that it's affecting how they act.

"People don’t seem to be getting the point.
‘Outlaw violent and pornographic video games to minors’
So everyones having a fit because 12 year olds wont be able to beat hookers and have sex with them before they shoot them in the face?"

One of the problems is politicans are targeting just violent games and not other forms of violent media. Not to mention these type of laws are unconstitutional and an outright waste of taxpayers money that could be going to actually important legislation that deals with REAL PROBLEMS.

"Why do people under 16 (minors are under 16 where I live, heard it’s 18 in other places) need to play pornographic video games in the first place?"

Why does it need to be law. No one is saying that we need to put these games in every young childs hand. It just doesn't need to be legislated.

"Sadly, the parents seem to need some help."

But just for violent games and not for other forms of media though, the fact is the government is only targeting games and not movies, music, books, newpapers, the news channels or other forms of Speech containing violence that parents might not want their kids to see.

"I see my cousin’s friends who play grotesque video games around the age of 9 or 10 and its obvious that it’s affecting how they act."

Is this just an assumption or do you have definite proof? There is a difference. Assumptions don't mean it true.

Steve, what game are you talking about? I have never heard or seen ANYTHING like that.

My problem here is not that kids should be allowed to play whatever they want, it's these people think that they NEED to outlaw the video games.

I am not saying I'm all for letting my little sister play anything violent, but she doesn't because my parents have made it clear she is not allowed to play such things. She knows this, so even while she is at a friend's house who might be able to play whatever they want, she will know she isn't supposed to. It's like those smoking ads, if you talk to your kids about it and make it clear it's wrong and you don't agree with it, they, for the most part, won't do it even when their parents aren't there. Parents today DON'T need help, they need to learn how to parent. Your cousin's friends' parents obviously don't know anything about how to raise a child.

Also if you have ever worked or been in any sort of retail/video store employees are not allowed to just hand over some M rated game to a 10 year old. They must have parental approval. Why do we need laws if there are already restrictions in place? And you know if one law is made about video games then others will follow. I don't trust our government one bit on that subject, since I'm pretty sure none of them even know what a video game is.

I'm pretty much just sick of all this crap being thrown at video games, and the fact it's being shown here on the same threat level as internet predators and child molesters? Right.

I am not a fan of censorship. Period. I was never censored growing up. I remember watching slasher horror movies at the age of 4 with my mother. I am not violent criminal or sex offender. I have a good career and a solid goal in life. All in all I think that I turned out pretty good. And that is because my mother talked to me. She was completely involved in my life. Now days parents are lazy. Pure and simple. Nobody communicates anymore with their children. The only reason television and video games are such glowing political targets is because they are the modern version of Mary Poppins. Parents don't raise their children. The all mighty boob tube does.
I'm not saying that television is the devil. I was a true couch potato growing up. I was just lucky enough to have a mother that was actively involved in my life. Granted, she drives me crazy with her interfering ways but I know it all comes from a good place.
I've done alot of stupid things as a child but I would've some really really stupid things if it wasn't for my mother and the fact that she'd surely kick my ass.
So I say let your children watch or play whatever they want but for crying out loud get off of your lazy asses and actually try raising your child for a change.
Oh and don't read too much into the "kick my ass" comment. She's not abusive it's just a figure of speach people...although she probably could if she wanted to...she's quite strong.

so whats next violent movies? and how's he going to make it easier for parents to block more porn on the internet? lol wow ppl now a days.

I do think that there should be stricter regulations, but I also think that parents should be more active in their kids lives.

Aaaaah, politics... like emos. Always complaining about the problems and never doing the right thing to change it, if anything at all.

And having a society full of Dee-Dee-Dee's doesn't help, either.

So...he's saying that guns don't kil people, kids who play violent videogames do? There is absolutly no proof behind this theory and the first ammendent says some thing about the freedom of publication and the choice of pastimes. ..right? I personally believe that while violent kids may play violent video games, violent video games do not make a person more violent.

Now, I'm getting tired of people like this saying such things. However, I'm also getting tired of all the senseless, uninformative bashing that some of the people posting here are doing. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but, for example, if you hate my post, don't just say, "MAKUA!1!!!!11! U SUK!!1!" If you hate it, tell me why you hate it.

Nevertheless, his technique is genius. The lighting in the room-- dark, brooding, and then the transparent chat windows overlapping each other, trying to show parents how many "child predators" that children talk to every single day! It's untrue for the most part, but his association of violent and pornographic video games is rather...well, intelligent. Most parents don't know what violent video games are like, but they definately know what pornography is. He affiliates the two, and suddenly violent video games become much worse. I'm smart, and while I'm not trying to brag about it, I do like to think that I can tell the difference between fantasy and reality. I've played Dead Rising. Does that mean that I'm going to go to the local mall, hallucinate, and start cutting up what appear to be zombies? Sure, it's possible, but I'm not a violent person. After all, I have enough discipline to take some punches, get called a pathetic coward. Have no doubt-- I can fight back. I know Aikido, and I love to play fighting games. Does that mean that, if someone throws a punch, I'm going to rupture their liver(the first technique I learned in Aikido, in fact), and crack my fist against their temple, effectively killing them? No, it doesn't. Now, that doesn't carry into the realm of true self-defense, where someone comes at me with a weapon. Nevertheless, before I digress further, I'll get back onto the subject of this sample of marketting inginuity.

It shows two teenage kids(possibly younger) in a video game store, literally clearing the shelves of every single violent video game with a sadistic smile pasted across their faces. Have you ever seen evil-looking people walking into a gaming store and picking the shelves clean? I would, if I had the money to nuy hundreds of dollars worth of games, but that's beside the point(always room for a little humor).

Then it shows him talking to the kids. Have you ever known a governor to actually get out of their office(don't get me wrong-- there are some good governors out there) and come to random schools without their own agenda? He taps the kid on the shoulder as a friend. Never before has a better way to get parent's attention been seen.

Now, my opinion. Parents quite obviously need help. I've done my best to retard the urge not to be a hypocrite in this post and avoid needlessly ripping Mr. Taylor's point-of-view to pieces, but he's taking advantage of the stupidity of the larger population of the voters. Ask your friends(or your parents' friends) what the rating of a violent game is. If you're lucky, some of them might know. My parents sure do.

Nevertheless, and I know this has been said before, parents know mostly what their children tell them. They see commercials like that, and it changes their point-of-view entirely. Now, if they were to do some research into the subject(such as reading some of the rather intelligent reviews on this webpage) they would see that he is entirely wrong.

Just as well, and this has also been mentioned, he will not do anything to cut down economic flow. If children can get ahold of violent video games, it gives the state money. It's well-known that there are not nearly as many adults playing video games as there are children. Video games are a multi-billion dollar industry, and states get a percentage of that money in the form of taxes. Stop children from buying video games, and not only will the tax from the individual games be cut, but many of the video game companies might downsize, sigjnificantly reducing the amount of taxes they pay.

If he wants to help children, he should keep violent video games, and use the tax money to help fund schools.

As I'm almost done, I'll begin closing. You remember my comment that I was smart? I have a knack for learning definitions and such through video games and movies hours before I need to use them in school. Seventy percent of my knowledge(not how to shoot people or anything-- I have some of the least steady hands of anyone in my school, and I couldn't shoot someone if they were standing three feet from me. Rather, I am speaking of school-needed knowledge, such as definitions and terms.)

You know the closest thing to violence that video games have inspired me to do? I started collecting swords. Most of them are decorative swords, and are attatched to my wall, and then some of them can be drawn and wielded, though I'd think I'm a bit more skilled with my hands.

On a final, parting note(and this may discredit much of what I've said), I don't live in Georgia. I don't pretend to know what conditions are like over there("conditions" being good and bad), and how unfair the government might be. I've read several of these posts, and I really have a very harsh opinion of anti-video game activists like Jack Thompson and Mark Taylor. Jack Thompson is a moron-- he might actually think he's trying to help. Mark Taylor, though...with that advertisement, he's got to know what he's doing.

I just love the way Mark Taylor wants to get rid of violent video games AND Child Molesters..

Because obviously, being exposed to violent games is a huge step in becoming a kiddy fiddler

"Oh yeah!! Just ran over some hookers in GTA, And now to reward myself, I'm gonna walk down to the park and touch some children...in an inappropriate manner! ::Shifty eyes::"

Just what is a "Pornographic VideoGame" anyways?

a lot of murderers don't even get the death penalty....

although it would be funny to see a catholic priest get lethal injection I must admit.

Well, I am glad we don't havedouche's like that up here in Canada.. Wait, I am sorry they are all over the place. How the hell can he make sure it's tougher to let kids have access to porn, it is impossible, all the pop up I get from even clean sites are porno.. :S You know what all he said other than the death penality, are thing WE the parent have control over, Why do WE need the government to step into OUR houses, they never wipe the feet, the reek of corruption themselves. Parents, be you kids guardians along with being parents.

Ufosde, an IQ score of 181 by 15 SD percentile would imply that you are in the 99.9999966604th percentile, making you roughly the 1330th smartest person in the history of humanity. I wish when people arbitrarily made up a number for their IQ they wouldn't base it on what they've learned from scooby doo and the simpsons. Please do not try and claim you are that smart, when clearly you're not. As for video games, it's entirely the parents fault, anyone who is not old enough to make decisions for themselves and to be exposed to things, should be monitored by their guardian.
Personally I watched pornography since I was about 10 years old, and I am perfectly well adjusted and not particularly interested in killing anyone. The whole notion is laughable, but I think the States has a major problem of randomly assigning an age to be old enough to do things, the young are often much smarter then the old, and of course, vice versa. It should be based on the parents to decide whether their kid is mature enough. Frankly, if your child is smart enough to get at porn and M rated video games without you knowing, perhaps you shouldn't be able to buy M rated content without your child there, 'cause you're not very mature

Wow. Since when does a democrat want capitol punishment, and for crimes that didn't even involve the death of another. That doesn't even have the lame-ass eye for an eye theory. Who the fuck is this retard.

The line between Democrat and Republican is a very fine one, even more so today. The line between Democrat and Liberal is one to notice.

Pornographic video games? Sold at Blockbuster? I'm missing out!

I love how they threw in the death penelty in that PSA (or whatever you want to call it).

Since when is it the role of government to "protect" us from the evils within ourselves? Censorship is here because parents are too dumb or lazy to teach their kids right from wrong? Video games are the reason that our society is going in the crapper and not because of the lack of regulation within our own government?

I've been a liberal Democrat all my life, but lately the party disgusts me. By turning to blatant fear mongering instead of real issues, like the economy, all they're doing is turning their party into Republican-light. And when you run a Republican against a Republican, people are going to vote for the real one. Whatever happened to the good old days, when the Republicans were for smaller government and the Democrats were for equal rights?

Liberal or Republican, there is no way you can equate thes two any more than you can movies, restaurants, or theme parks and pedophiles. What's next? Are we gonna outlaw the operation of theme parks? Are the movie theaters gonna go under? Will Chuck E. Cheese be closed down? This logic is complete bullshit. What happened to parental responsibility for the children?

And as for dealing with pedophiles, i think it should be the parent's choice as to what happens. Also, the internet will never be kid safe, it was made for us big people. Watch what your kids do or don't bitch you jackasses

you want to know what you're kids are on, watch them, or get a hack for every site displayed on the compy. (yes, they are out there). And as for the pornographic thing, they are coming out in america, but have been out for years in japan, and the child molester thing is that in some asian country, either china or japan, don't remember which, you only have to be 12 to be in a porno (or so i hear). only connections i can make

Man... whatever happened to the good ole days when kids got elbow deep in blood, guts and gore while slaughtering animals you were gonna take to the market?

I really wish people like this would get real. There is no set magical age where everybody turns mature, as much as some people would like it. And, this is just my opinion, but I honestly doubt that someone living in a home lacking any exposure to violent or 'sexual' material will hit eighteen and be able to function when ejected into Real Life(tm). The idea seems completely outlandish to me. Now, I'm not saying show them, I don't know, a video clip of Resident Evil when they're three, because that could potentially damage the kid. In fact at eight years old I was still utterly terrified of Disney's Haunted Mansion ride. I'm just saying that each person has their own age where maturity comes into play. It may be fifteen, it may be twenty two, God only knows. *shrugs*

As far as the whole "1st-person shooters train kids how to operate real guns" myth goes, let me just say this:
I'm in the Air Force, and I have to qualify yearly with an M-16. I've earned the Expert Marksman ribbon three out of four years running. Safe to say, I'm pretty deadly with a real gun.
Sit me down with a game of Halo...I SUCK! No really, I can't shoot anything to save my life. If I live, it's only because I ducked under the bullet by accident, or something silly like that.
If being an excellent shot in real life didn't make me the greatest Halo player of all time, then why would being a master of Halo (or any other 1st-person shooters, for that matter) make someone a Super Sniper?
The End.

YOU FREAKIN TWIT! Insted of PUNISHING us Gamers who are OLD ENOUGH im 18 thank you WHY dont you Punish the parents who let there 12 year old PLAY GTA when it is CLEARY a 18+ GAME! and another thing STOP being an Idiot and trying to Regulate VIDEO GAMES and pay attention to MORE IMPORTANT THINGS AND STOP TRYING TO RUN PEOPLES LIFES THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO BE RUN!

Call me whatever you like but you are a complete retard.

It's quite humorous the way most of you blame your parents for not doing their jobs, then continue on to say "I've been watching/playing violent movies/games/porn since I was *insert the young age here* and I've turned out fine."
With this knowledge, do you really think we need our parents to interfere with this sort of issue? As long as the parents and we ourselves know we're old enough, and show to our parents that we are, they'll allow us to do so, and we'll do just fine. :) This point's been proven.

Your parents are doing the best job they can, even if it's not a very good job. However, a lot of parents now can't do a "very good job" any more because they're too busy trying to support us and make money for us and all the things we want.
If you really think your parents are /that/ dense and need to know this, as Arkaine pointed out... instead of waiting for the government to get the brains to do this... Why don't /YOU/ teach them about the ratings, the games, and what you're interested in? If you do this well, they'll see how much you know about it and learned from it to fit the "real world," and how you're not that stupid, thus, (hopefully, ideally) start trusting you more and not be so afraid to let you do anything....and won't vote for this idiot.
For example: My dad all his life was refused porn(though he wanted it badly) and was limited in the games he could play. As soon as he turned 18, he went hog-wild for porn (which he still looks at, but it's toned down for, I hope, obvious reasons).
My point: We should be allowed things that are not physically or mentally harmful to us. Why? Because when we're out of our parents' grasp, or even before then, we'll just freak out and need extreme amounts of it later, and all through our life, even. Why? Because we were denied it.
We're not complete morons that can't handle anything just because we don't have life-experience; we can all clearly see this from these responses. And the times when we are- uh, hello, we're only human and learning! Yes, we make stupid mistakes (repeatedly, even) but that's how we grow and learn (some of us just take longer to learn-those that repeat mistakes.)
Besides all that, it's better for kids to /look at porn/ then to go out there and have sex young- risking the chance of creating a child, or getting an STD to spread around. We should be allowed to play violent games, it releases tension and keeps kids from actually going out there and killing someone/thing. Yes, there are always going to be exceptions, but we are only human, no one is the same, nor perfect. Get over it, and stop trying to "protect" us from that which we do not need protecting from.
I realize I did not mention very much the root of this debate, and that's in part because I think it has been debated far more than necessary with the same arguments repeated... I am not, and won't get into everything, so please don't assume I'm not taking into consideration the real debate/problem addressed, I'm simply limiting what I say, for I have more than plenty to say as is.
There should definitely be limitations and variations to what I and others have said, but saying /all/ the gray area takes too much space.



Replying to others:

I couldn't help but say "HERE, HERE! Completely agreed, thank you for finally someone bringing it up!" when I read, from Defender, "...who is more violent? The 15 year old who enjoys playing Halo 2 or God of War or Resident Evil with some friends or the man who wants to mass murder criminals? "


"useing us as babysitters and giving the kids money to keep them happy"
Do you guys really think that this is the case? I mean, seriously. When you do something you enjoy (play video games) do you consider yourself being babysat to keep happy while your parents are off busy with having a life/trying to support you/etc? Honestly. Do your parents /really/ monitor /everything/ you're doing?


"Oh yeah… Mark Taylor, just another one of the uber-conservative hypocrites who probably doesn’t seem to remember that his particular choice of music when he was a teenager or even just a kid was thought of by parents everywhere to be evil and demonic among other things." said by Arkaine
Remember this, everyone, as we get older and have kids... and then, more importnatly... when they start liking/doing things "like" this, things that you know nothing about. You don't want this taken away, so learn about what they're interested in if you're worried about. I realize for most of you this is a ways off, but seriously. You don't want it happening now, and your future kids/grandkids won't want it to happen either! Furthermore, this applies for /ANYYYYYTHING/ you don't know about, and that includes even now at whatever age you are!
DON'T REPEAT THIS STUPIDITY!

To Wrap Up/re-itterating some points:

Let's not forget too the fact that there is soo much violence in the world, as many of you have pointed out, that no one can shelter us from it. And if we did try to- we wouldn't be living in truth, we'd be living behind rose-tinted glasses.

Then again, maybe you're only saying the opposite of what I said because it /is/ the parents' responsibility to decide our mature age, not the governments. But let's not place blame where blame is not entirely necessary.
Yes, parents need to be active in our lives. They need to pay attention to us to be able to know when we're mature enough to handle this content. But we need to help that along, too. If we're not active in return, then it's your own fault.

So, before you place blame on your parents for this, put yourself in the shoes of whom you are blaming. It's just as much our fault as it is our parents. Our parents wouldn't have to buy us movies/games/etc if we didn't want it to begin with.
Meaning:
YOU make the choice in what games you buy, NOT your parents! They just buy them for you. So take some of that blame yourself if you want to go that direction! They aren't going through saying "OH, Here's one rated M or AO, great, I'll get it for my son/daughter!" The fact of the matter is they don't know anything about the games, they get it because you like it and have at least some faith and trust in you in what you choose for entertainment. Some people/places will even warn them about the rating, and if they don't mind them being exposed to it, TERRIFIC! You're going to get exposed to eventually, why not let them see it through entertainment purposes that you choose?

Sorry this is so long. x_x =/

It's quite humorous the way most of you blame your parents for not doing their jobs, then continue on to say "I've been watching/playing violent movies/games/porn since I was *insert the young age here* and I've turned out fine."
With this knowledge, do you really think we need our parents to interfere with this sort of issue? As long as the parents and we ourselves know we're old enough, and show to our parents that we are, they'll allow us to do so, and we'll do just fine. :) This point's been proven.

Your parents are doing the best job they can, even if it's not a very good job. However, a lot of parents now can't do a "very good job" any more because they're too busy trying to support us and make money for us and all the things we want.
If you really think your parents are /that/ dense and need to know this, as Arkaine pointed out... instead of waiting for the government to get the brains to do this... Why don't /YOU/ teach them about the ratings, the games, and what you're interested in? If you do this well, they'll see how much you know about it and learned from it to fit the "real world," and how you're not that stupid, thus, (hopefully, ideally) start trusting you more and not be so afraid to let you do anything....and won't vote for this idiot.
Example: My dad all his life was refused porn(though he wanted it badly) and was limited in the games he could play. As soon as he turned 18, he went hog-wild for porn (which he still looks at, but it's toned down for, I hope, obvious reasons).
My point: We should be allowed things that are not physically or mentally harmful to us. Why? Because when we're out of our parents' grasp, or even before then, we'll just freak out and need extreme amounts of it later, and all through our life, even. Why? Because we were denied it.
We're not complete morons that can't handle anything just because we don't have life-experience; we can all clearly see this from these responses. And the times when we are- uh, hello, we're only human and learning! Yes, we make stupid mistakes (repeatedly, even) but that's how we grow and learn (some of us just take longer to learn-those that repeat mistakes.)

Besides all that, it's better for kids to /look at porn/ then to go out there and have sex young- risking the chance of creating a child, or getting an STD to spread around. We should be allowed to play violent games, it releases tension and keeps kids from actually going out there and killing someone/thing. Yes, there are always going to be exceptions, but we are only human, no one is the same, nor perfect. Get over it, and stop trying to "protect" us from that which we do not need protecting from.
I realize I did not mention very much the root of this debate, and that's in part because I think it has been debated far more than necessary with the same arguments repeated... I am not, and won't get into everything, so please don't assume I'm not taking into consideration the real debate/problem addressed, I'm simply limiting what I say, for I have more than plenty to say as is.
There should definitely be limitations and variations to what I and others have said, but saying /all/ the gray area takes too much space.

Replying to others:

I couldn't help but say "HERE, HERE! Completely agreed, thank you for finally someone bringing it up!" when I read, from Defender, "...who is more violent? The 15 year old who enjoys playing Halo 2 or God of War or Resident Evil with some friends or the man who wants to mass murder criminals? "


"useing us as babysitters and giving the kids money to keep them happy"
Do you guys really think that this is the case? I mean, seriously. When you do something you enjoy (play video games) do you consider yourself being babysat to keep happy while your parents are off busy with having a life/trying to support you/etc? Honestly. Do your parents /really/ monitor /everything/ you're doing?


"Oh yeah… Mark Taylor, just another one of the uber-conservative hypocrites who probably doesn’t seem to remember that his particular choice of music when he was a teenager or even just a kid was thought of by parents everywhere to be evil and demonic among other things." said by Arkaine
Remember this, everyone, as we get older and have kids... and then, more importnatly... when they start liking/doing things "like" this, things that you know nothing about. You don't want this taken away, so learn about what they're interested in if you're worried about. I realize for most of you this is a ways off, but seriously. You don't want it happening now, and your future kids/grandkids won't want it to happen either! Furthermore, this applies for /ANYYYYYTHING/ you don't know about, and that includes even now at whatever age you are!
DON'T REPEAT THIS STUPIDITY!

To Wrap Up/re-itterating some points:

Let's not forget too the fact that there is soo much violence in the world, as many of you have pointed out, that no one can shelter us from it. And if we did try to- we wouldn't be living in truth, we'd be living behind rose-tinted glasses.

Then again, maybe you're only saying the opposite of what I said because it /is/ the parents' responsibility to decide our mature age, not the governments. But let's not place blame where blame is not entirely necessary.
Yes, parents need to be active in our lives. They need to pay attention to us to be able to know when we're mature enough to handle this content. But we need to help that along, too. If we're not active in return, then it's your own fault.

So, before you place blame on your parents for this, put yourself in the shoes of whom you are blaming. It's just as much our fault as it is our parents. Our parents wouldn't have to buy us movies/games/etc if we didn't want it to begin with.
Meaning:
YOU make the choice in what games you buy, NOT your parents! They just buy them for you. So take some of that blame yourself if you want to go that direction! They aren't going through saying "OH, Here's one rated M or AO, great, I'll get it for my son/daughter!" The fact of the matter is they don't know anything about the games, they get it because you like it and have at least some faith and trust in you in what you choose for entertainment. Some people/places will even warn them about the rating, and if they don't mind them being exposed to it, TERRIFIC! You're going to get exposed to eventually, why not let them see it through entertainment purposes that you choose?

Sorry this is so long. x_x =/ =X

To Wrap Up/re-itterating some points:

Let's not forget too the fact that there is soo much violence in the world, as many of you have pointed out, that no one can shelter us from it. And if we did try to- we wouldn't be living in truth, we'd be living behind rose-tinted glasses.

Then again, maybe you're only saying the opposite of what I said because it /is/ the parents' responsibility to decide our mature age, not the governments. But let's not place blame where blame is not entirely necessary.
Yes, parents need to be active in our lives. They need to pay attention to us to be able to know when we're mature enough to handle this content. But we need to help that along, too.

Meaning:
YOU make the choice in what games you buy, NOT your parents! They just buy them for you. So take some of that blame yourself if you want to go that direction! They aren't going through saying "OH, Here's one rated M or AO, great, I'll get it for my son/daughter!" The fact of the matter is they don't know anything about the games, they get it because you like it and have at least some faith and trust in you in what you choose for entertainment. Some people/places will even warn them about the rating, and if they don't mind them being exposed to it, TERRIFIC! You're going to get exposed to eventually, why not let them see it through entertainment purposes that you choose?

Sorry this is so long. x_x =/

I gotta agree with Kat on the whole super soldier thing. I grew up with videogames, and I'm pretty good at most. I am also qualified Expert Marksman US ARMY INF (SFC). Half of the kids in my barracks play videogames, and a lot of them have trouble qualifiying as anything above Marksman.

Playing a violent video game like GTA doesn't make you kill people. It's the fact that you're fucked up in the head and can't distinguish reality from fiction.


... and that's all I have to say about that. Pr0n rules.

No name democrat for governor, promises to make it easier for parents to block pornographic websites... How? Is he a programmer? I can promise you the sun won't rise tomorrow, but saying it doesn't make it so.

I dont get it. I'm a Australian, 18 year old year 12 student, hoping to get into the games industry as a graphic designer/ 3d modeller.

It offends me, as I’ve been playing games since i was... 3? I'll say three, that at the age of 18 I am somehow a pedo? GFTO! I think the guy must have been looking at a Japan site of something about their 'games' or something!

And this talks about GTA:SA... people have been whacking in mods with epileptic content for years and years.... damn q3 arena has models of *cough’nude’cough*.... But the second someone adds a “3rd party mod” to unlock content that could not be used any other way…. **and the main characters, they’re both in their 20’s or something weren’t they?**

Yea, it shows what the pollies trying to do. Trying to suck in the votes of a blind majority who believe whatever they’re told on the TV.

OK, so a while back I picked up the Greatest Hit God Of War at my local Best Buy. I was CARDED! Yes, the cashier asked to see my ID! I didnt think much of it at first (she was cute), but afterwards it hit me i was carded to buy a video game.

Whats next? Will we see people walking into Gamestop in trenchcoats and sun-glasses and walking out with little black plastic bags? Will the purchase of even the most mild video game require a person to be 18 (or 21 in some states) and older to purchase them? Oh, and where are these pornographic video games? I want them!

Onto the subject of minor buying video games: Where does a nine-year old get the fifty dollars required to buy a game? More importantly, why is a nine-year old being allowed to roam around without a parent or some sort of supervision? Assuming people are actually responsible for their own actions and their childrens own safety, even IF the child could buy the game, wouldnt a parent notice they bought a video game? And If it's rated "M" shouldnt they kind of look into it? Hearing the way Taylor thinks children are raised, I begin to think I was over-protected!

Also child molestion and rape are thrown around too easily nowadays. In Georgia (the state he's running for govenor), It's illegal to have sex with someone under the age of either 16 or 18, I'm not 100% on that. This means both parties can be accused of rape (if say both are 15). I'm pretty sure most states have these laws too.

Also there has been alot of effort to villify all sexual offenders. Theres been a push to make it illegal for sex offenders to live work or generally be within 1000 feet of ANY place children congregate. This includes schools, playgrounds, CHURCHES, and even bus stops. The big thing to me here is almost all the bus stops I've ever seen were the drive way of their own house (but I've heard little from anyone else on that). And wouldnt going to church be a good thing for these people?

For this kind of law to even be resonable, we first need to define and classify sex offenders, not just lump them all together. And the death penalty for repeat child molestors? I'm for the death penaly against murderers (LIFE never actually means LIFE), but that seems a little extreme.

Ok to wrap it all up, I'm not under the age of 17, so this really doesnt effect me (yet). Stil,l I'm bothered that politicians are trying to villify a medium that they know absolutely nothing about. Sorry to give you all a earfull of what's going on down here but it's important you know why this is so hot button. Also, sorry for talking so in-depth about child molesters but the ad kind of requires a response to that as well (I mean come on he linked video games and the internet to them). I hope this guy loses the election! Peace out!

Okay, this'll be about the 8th post like this that has been made in here and hopefully it will inform people some more.

It is NOT illegal to sell Mature rated games to minors. Nearly every major store chain in America (Sorry, but I can't speak for all you other countries) has a policy banning it though. Does everyone get that now? IT IS NOT ILLEGAL.

I saw a few posts related to this so I figured I'd address it. In spite of whatever the media has fed you, America and probably the rest of the world is not as violent as they make it seem. Nor is the root of the violence what they tell you. The media will tell you a general idea of what happened but they will NEVER be able to effectively tell you WHY it happened. I am not saying there isn't violence, just that the media plays it up about 20 notches.

Statutory rape, as I have seen it in a legal document is the knowing act of sexual intercourse with a child that appears below the age of 16.

And finally, there IS a correlation between violent media (spotlight on video games) and actual violence in children. But then again, there's also a correlation between brown eyes and getting hit by cars.... What happens is the media plays off that correlation and they don't tell you what the data means, they tell you something completely different. Correlations mean that if something happens, then this something else happens more of the time. Now if it were a Causal correlation (one in which the something was actually responsible for the other something happening more often) they'd have a reason to attack video games. But they'll continue to overlook that fact until the current generation of leaders dies off and the new ones take their place to gripe about something else. I sometimes wonder if the politicians even know the truth or if they think they really are on a righteous crusade.....

Alright, that was my 4 cents.

# Yuki Says:
September 27th, 2006 at 6:19 am

Hi all, yuki here.

This is Why the industry needs to be activly taking legal action, shit like this. It’s defamatory to the industry, based on lies and misinformation, and equates two compltely seperate issues together.

I swear if the ESA doesn’t get busy I suggest we all start a campaign to get them fired and replaced with someone who gives a fuck about the industry.

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It's called polotics. And that's why the world is lame. I hate those conservative sobs with their LIEEEES!!!!!
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