@ Brokenscope

I'm sorry, man, I don't know how to get to the GP forum, but thanks for helping me out. If you're right about this that games are being threatened as a whole, then they should all be defended by the first amendment. Thank you.

This site is not about violent video games. This site is about discussing any and all things in the political and activist realm when it comes to video games. We talk about things like the Serious games initiative.

Violent games are not what is at stake with this. Games, as a growing medium are being threatened as a whole. The meaning of the 1st amendment is a stake here.

The site is not Violentgamepolitics.com its gamepolitics.com

Now before GP comes and kicks my ass for off topicness, send me a message on the GP forum if you want to discuss this further.

OKay. I spent a few minutes looking at the site thanks to a few of the links of previous posters. They gave shows like That 70s Show a "Red Light" (how lame is that?) for "sexual content and frequent foul language such as 'damn,' 'hell,' 'suck,' and 'ass'". Suck is profanity? Since when!? They also noted the Simpsons for "Damn", "Hell", and, of all words, "Crap". Big Brother 7 was noted for having 99 profanities (they counted them?) including "piss". Sex and the City had what amounted to a "Wall of Shame" on it's comments, including an episode by episode summary.

My favorite comment was about Family Guy. "Even though this is an animated series, this show is not recommended for children of any age." Duh. There's lots of animated series not intended for children. Look at Adult Swim. Thats an entire block dedicated to it. This is like saying: "Even though this is a live action series it is not intended for adults."

By the way, I was discussing this with my own mother, and she said, that if SpongeBob was the only show that anyone could watch, she would go and commit murder. See? Children's programming is dangerous, too.

What the PTC is failing to realize, is that not all shows need to be suitable for children. If you have to watch Barney and Little House on the Praire from the time you're 3 to the time you're 93, you will find few people making it to 93.

They make these shows because people like them. If they didn't like them or found them objectable, they wouldn't watch them. This in turns means fewer Nielson ratings, less ad revenue, and it will in turn cancel the show.

To finish. Protect your own children. Do not protect me. I don't want it, nor did I ask for it.

@ Brokenscope

I guess I should try to use paragraphs when I post comments. I love almost every violent act in video games and movies. The reason I don't use paragraphs is because I sometimes get carried away because I am the exact opposite of Jack Thompson.

By this, I mean that I am as serious and adament about defending these games as Jack Thompson is at attacking them. The reason why my comments bear striking resemblances is because I try to state the facts and I really want people to see the holes in the arguments of anti-game fanatics like Jack Thompson.

I want to crush his theories and try to get people involved in posting things on the internet and writing letters to people who can attack the cause of anti-game fanatics, such as judges and representatives. I am trying real hard to hurt their cause any way that I can. I used to take a lot of criticism from my mother, who believes the way Jack Thompson does that violent video games and movies are evil and satanic.

I hated that theory for many years and every time I watched a violent film, I had to make sure she wasn't around to yell at me. I finally got so tired of it that, as it says above, I bought an XBOX and watch my DVD's on there now and the reason I always stayed up until real late was, so my mom wouldn't be there to give me criticism and she doesn't even really know, to this day, how much violence I've really watched. I'm very proud of that.

Basically, there was a time in my life when I was once a very conservative person and I thought everything was bad. Then I had a friend with whom I played violent video games with and the last time we saw each other, we played Area 51 and Mortal Kombat Trilogy. After that, I had to collect video games and I started to like violent video games and started to realize that playing utra-violent video games doesn't hurt any real people, so even though my mom was against it, I didn't care.

I then started up a collection of these awesome games, with the permission of my father. About two years later, I got into watching violent films because, of course, if violent games don't hurt anyone, violent films sure don't. Then I started doing that and in the summer of 2001, I started staying up late every night watching those great films and, naturally, I took large amounts of criticism from my mom.

Since I was underage at the time, I started to hate the idea that violent games and violent films were innapropriate and I said to myself that I would never forget how I felt about it when I was underage and would never support rating systems which limit access to these awesome branches of violent media. That's why I always say that violent film and games are appropriate for all ages. I believed it then and I believe it now, as much as I did back then.

I have always despised people who are only against something as long as it effects them and I have taken great care not to become what I most despise. Finally, I will tell you the real reason I'm so eager at posting things like this that support violent video games and films. After watching a very violent scene in a film once, my mom told me that she thinks that one day, I might be telling people not to watch violent films and play violent video games. In essence, become a very conservative person again. This scared me to death and I quickly started to buy more violent films and games to prove her idea about me was wrong.

I tell you now that I will never be a conservative person again. I will never ever attack the best things I ever had in my life. I'm posting things and buying up violent video games and movies quickly to prove it wrong. I would be as bad as Judas if I attcked violent video games and movies who have been there for me for years. Quite frankly, I owe a lot to violent media. I am on their side for life. Thank you for telling me how I can improve myself at spreading the word that violent video games and movies are innocent and awesome. Feel free to comment on my posts anytime thank you.

The ptc needs to be disbanded and disposed off, that all there is to it. That being said, the only way it'll happen is if companies, like microsoft, stop ignoring them and start fighting back.

Now, I know it's off topic, but I have a question.

I recall some time ago a report about a judge viewing the game Jade empire as part of Video game law hearing. Coudl someone tell me why?

I could understand grand theft auto, and games of that nature, but Why Jade Empire? It seems to me it's the type of game parents should use to try and teach there kids important lessons, as anyone who played the game knows that it often forces you to chose between right and wrong.

Anyway, Just curious. Thanks

Also, the Parent Trash Cult should quit promoting cultural sewage like 7th Heaven and American Idol.

I own an XBOX video game system. I only ever used it to play games rated T and M and to watch tons of R rated films. I love violent media, such as films and games. I very strongly resent the idea that it creates social sewage. I have never done anything violent in the real world and I detest the stupid worthless idea that video games and movies, that contain violence, are bad. They're the best kind of entertainment and are completely innocent. Microsoft's XBOX is a great invention and should be praised. It never caused any harm to anyone and violent media is good and very healthy. As I said, I have watched tons of violent films until 2 A. M. sometimes and have played ultra-violent video games until 2 A. M. too and I never hurt anyone, outside of videogames. These games are not bad for society and the only social sewage are the people who have nothing better to do than attack these innocent forms of entertainment whose only crime is to give people entertainment, in my opinion. I love the XBOX and all the violent video games and movies that I've watched on there. Gory games and films should be praised very highly for their awesomeness. I can think of very few things I'd rather be doing than playing a gory game or watching an R rated movie filled to the sky with blood and gore. I would like to say also that I loved that piece of film I saw on Destructoid.com of Jack Thompson verbally attacking Judge Ronald Friedman after he wouldn't give in to the whining manipulation of Jack Thompson and ban Bully. Then the awesome judge called in four police officers to escort him, and his lies, out of the court room. That was great. I even sent Judge Ronald Friedman a letter telling him how much I approve of him throwing Jack Thompson, and his stupid lies out. I also heard that, because of his little childish temper tantrum, the judge has filed a complaint with the Florida Bar Association. I hope it gets him in serious trouble. I encourage other gamers to send fanmail to judges who stopped anti-game bills from going forward. Remember, fellow gamers, they're the only thing standing between morons like Jack Thompson, Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman and the end of violent video games. These awesome judges need to know that there are people out there who appreciate them and their awesome rulings. Also, I am a huge Atlanta Braves fan. They are my favorite team ever in any sport and it occurred to me a few days ago. I don't know what would be a better day. Seeing the Atlanta Braves win the World Series against the New York Yankees, or Jack Thompson losing his license to practice law. Either one would be awesome, but if I had to choose I don't know which one would be better. Anyway, I love gory games and gory films and find them to be very good and a very healthy form of entertainment. Violent games and violent films don't make people violent. That's an obsurd theory. It's completely wrong. I have always been the number one emeny of that untrue ridiculous theory.

to dog welder

If you're going to be sarcastic, you should do it to what I actually *said*. I said Gears of War advertises during Dora, not Spongebob.

And I wasn't saying that they would advertise to the wrong market like that. I was saying that the PTC should complain *if* they put inappropriate ads on children's programming.

Bill Gates certainly doesn't care about the children! That's why he gives a whopping butt load of money to charities.

Wait a minute... anything else seeing a contradiction there...?

In before flames toward the PTC.

So...they're complaining about Microsoft NOT advertising to children? I'm confused.

Doesn't Microsoft SELL things that the PTC would consider smut anyway?

At least, it doesn't concerns directly video games...

So, I guess the PTC has finally backed off of WWE and now are going after Microsoft...something about that doesn't seem to be very intellismarts, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

I'd love to point out that the shows mentioned target adults. So Microsoft is targeting adults for adult content games. There is nothing inappropriate here. Does the PTC understand what the "CH" buttons and "Power" are for?

Nothing the various nannycrats will do will ever get as close to pure insanity than that time I saw somebody saying Law & Order: SVU depicted rape and molestation as entertainment.

But they're getting pretty close.

Robb Says:

Does the PTC understand what the “CH” buttons and “Power” are for?Pff, forget CH and Power, how about the bloody V-Chip groups like the PTC demanded be installed in every TV sold in the US?

James Lowe says:

Children’s programming is great for children, and in some cases (like “Spongebob”) even great for adults.

I hope you were kidding. That show drives me mad. MAAAAAAD! Fortunately, my daughter is still in the Poko/Big Big World stage. ;)

Clutch those straws PTC! They're all you have left!

Its called target market. Microsoft has done research and found that people who watch those shows buy their products. What is wrong with that. Just because Bill donates to charity hes not allowed to advertise to his target audience? Microsoft ads during dora the explorer wont get sales because little kids dont buy microsoft products. I honestly dont see any problems with this. What gives the PTC the right to decide when and where companies can advertise. Do they think that they own microsoft or something? Not to mention all the other companies that advertise during those shows, what about them?

Since when has MS ever been a "family" company as regards the products it sells? The company doesn't make the kind of touchie-feelie products that one associates with "family-oriented" businesses.If anything, the company serves an overwhelmingly diverse customer base. Diversity and sensitivity to diversity is one of the foundational things drilled into everyone who works there (and that includes all sorts of diversity, including age, religion, family status, orientation, gender, national origin, etc.). So it should also go that it would include advertising on shows that appeal to adults.

If the PTC looked really really closely, they would probably also see that Bill Gates' foundation and Microsoft itself (through employee matching funds in particular) probably gives money to causes they wouldn't like anyway.

@Joel

I think they believe that if they bitch enough at companies, that the life-blood, aka advertising dollars, will go away, then the show they object to will get cancelled. So they do everything in their power to try to portray companies that advertise during mature shows as somehow being akin to perverted child molesters, but in polite terms...

Well i hate all of the shows listed except for family guy and CSI....


So appropriatly targeting adds is a bad thing?

I mean sure, put up Gears of War commercials during fosters home for imaginary friends, that makes perfect fucking sense.

When I first skimmed this, I thought they meant the ads you see for this stuff when you sign in to XBox Live. I've been seeing some Family Guy DVD ads on XBL when I turn on my 360.

But they're complaining about ads for Microsoft during these shows? That upgrades from "eyerolling at the selfrighteous" to "pfeh, fuck 'em and the horse they rode in on."

Here is what annoys me about groups like the parents television council.
They can't seperate a bad show from one that is targeted at older audiences.
It is either that or they are convinced that videogames remain a realm for children.

These shows are for older audiences. Some of these shows are pretty good. However they act as if all television programming should be targeted at children, and that there should be no shows for adults.

On the Spongebob note, I've always preferred The Fairly Oddparents. On topic, everybody else has said the good stuff already, so...*vanishes*

So let me get this strait... a group that is doing nothing to help sociaty (outside feeling supperior) is trying to guilt someone who is actually DOING philanthropic work with real effect on people's lives?

Heh.

Methinks its time to start an organization to oppose eleitist groups like NIMF and PTC.

And I also doubt that they offer the information of who sponsors "red rated" shows for people to buy products from these sponsors. It is quite clearly incitation to boycotting these sponsors.

Anyone read the book Fahrenheit 451? It takes place in a future where the government burns all books because they don't want the people to think for themselves and the citizens just watch and listen to propaganda all day long. This is what these moralists (read: pro-censorship bastards) are going to do to us if people keep believing this kind of crap. GET SOME FUCKING BRAINS, RETARDS!!!! Both the PTC and their moronic supporters.

1. CSI is considered in the same league as Nip/tuck and Family Guy? That's a new one.

2. I've seen Wii commercials during Adult Swim and I haven't heard complaining.

@Jer

so advertising during a particular program is sponsoring said program

Technically, yes, since a network sells advertising space for particular shows, and bases prices depending on stuff like their ratings. The higher the rating, the more it costs to advertise during said show. Most advertisers just buy blocks, and don't usually concern themselves with which show in particular their ads show up in, unless they have a new ad campaign, or the commercial ties in with the show. They also tend to match commercials with the shows that do product placement in the show for the same company.

Some shows are specifically targetted, usually the ones "brought to you by"...

What i got from the article from the PTC, is that ALL forms of entertainment is for children 12 and under. anyone else feel this is what they were saying or is it just me?

Basically. They appear to be saying to me that only Playboy and other smut products should advertise during smutty shows, and everyone else must advertise during Barney, or they are smut peddlers themselves.

And why do we care what a bunch of uptight censorship loving freaks think?

the PTC is completely clueless about the matter. The NETWORKS decide WHEN to air the ads, not the videogame companies.

Parent's trash cult, lol.

these people don't amount to much.

wow, it's the PTC.

oh wow. it's the people that tell you what you should be offen.... oh look a puppy!

I find it vaguely amusing that they even bring up Gates. I doubt he's had anything to do with advertisment related stuff for years, and he certainly wouldn't get involved now. And I'm certain he wouldn't get involved because he's A) steadily reducing his involvment in the company to zero, and B) he pays other people to do this stuff, and if he didn't trust the people who do advertisment related stuff to do their job correctly, he wouldn't be paying them to do that job.

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