Bill O'Reilly Slams PS3 Launch, Gamers, iPods, Digital Tech (not in that order)

November 18, 2006 -
Apparently sparked by the PlayStation 3 launch, conservative pundit Bill O'Reilly took off after video game culture and digital technology generally in yesterday's Radio Factor.

The controversial talk show host, who advertises his program as a "no spin zone" offered the following spin on gamers and much of their favorite gear:
American society is changing for the worse because of the machines... In the past to flee the real world people usually chose drugs or alcohol... now you don't have to do that, Now all you have to do is have enough money to buy a machine...

Basically what you have is a large portion of the population, mostly younger people under the age of 45, who don’t deal with reality - ever. So they don’t know what day it is; they don’t know temperature it is; they don’t know what their neighbor looks like. They don’t know anything… because they are constantly diverted by a machine. Now what this does is it takes a person away from reality because they’ve created their own reality...

Here comes the PS3 rant:
The newest thing is the PlayStation 3. Now this is a machine that allows you to play games in hi-def and all this other stuff... It's the newest state of the art system from Sony.... It has a video game console, plays DVDs, connects you to the Internet, tells you how handsome you are. It’s six-hundred bucks.  Now people lined up for hours to get this thing. Hours!

Next, O'Reilly recounts some of the various, well-publicized incidents that took place on PS3 lines around the country, before launching into:
The problem with this stuff is that some people can deal with it constructively... but other people get addicted to it, just like opium, just like drugs and alcohol… So this is a big, big problem. It’s going to change every single thing in this country.

At about this point, O'Reilly has Blois Olson of the National Institute on Media & the Family on as a guest. Olson talked about some issues regarding video game addiction, but was quite reasonable. As for O'Reilly? He thinks your video gaming may well doom you to a life of poverty:
The have-nots are growing. Why are they growing? Because the skill set that is necessary to earn a decent living is being deemphasized in a fantasy world of football games and shooting zombies and all that….   Now you have the "knows" and the "know-nots", because if you spend all your youth being prisoners of machines.....  you're not going to know anything…. You’re gonna fail.

And, even though O'Reilly's pay site offers a podcast, the pundit rather curiously disses the iPod and seems to equate video gaming with national collapse:
I don’t own an iPod. I would never wear an iPod... If this is your primary focus in life  - the machines... it’s going to have a staggeringly negative effect, all of this, for America... did you ever talk to these computer geeks? I mean, can you carry on a conversation with them? ...I really fear for the United States because, believe me, the jihadists? They're not playing the video games. They're killing real people over there.

GP: A big, huge shout-out to reader Jim for the tip... Even if GP did have to shell out $4.95 in order to listen to O'Reilly's rant. Hey, we spare no expense for our readers.

Comments

@Marisu

I see where your coming from. But although he did have some points, he still shows that there are more than enough people that will look at another group and ignore the vast majority of people who are OK in favor of those few that are not OK. This is just an example of saying we are all becoming a little too dependent on technology based on what some individuals are doing. These people who riot for a PS3 represent a portion of the game community, not all of it, but that doesn't seem to matter to Mr. O'Reilly. When a few from a certain group screw up, for some reason it represents everyone in that group for some stupid people. It is sad but unfortunately true.

I think that, unlike Jack Thompson, Bill O Reilly poses no real threat to our games. He is just an old man who can't understand why people like to blow things up in a fantasy world. Well it's because it's fun and entertaining. As for all gamers failing in life, that's bunk and he knows it. I've played for many years and I only would really say my life revolved around a game once in my life. One time in my life, everything was bad for a few months, so my whole world was Mortal Kombat 4, but that was many years ago and I'm very greatful to the game for taking me out of a crappy reality. This man is old and old fashioned and he's just wrong. It helps you escape the real world when everything is bad and is a very good source of entertainment.

However, it did really irritate me when he said that these games were like drugs and alcohol. These games are not at all like that. If they were, you couldn't play and then drive. They don't turn players into the living dead, like drugs do, and that's what I was complaining about a few posts ago. Some countries ban these innocent games as though they were drugs and alcohol. They don't have the damaging effects of drugs and alcohol, so the entire notion is ridiculous. That misconception is very dangerous to our games and I hope no one buys it. Then again, Bill O Reilly is no Jack Thompson, so I don't think we have to worry about him as much as about Jack Thompson. He doesn't write letters to judges and politicians trying to get games banned, but he represents the kind of thinking that is behind it and that's not good.

O'Reilly doesn't seem to consider that the violent crime rate has fallen substantially in the last ten years, moreso since the PS2 came out.

Move along, people, nothing to see hear. Just the delusional ramblings of another Luddite.

Fuck him.

That is all.

This is just an, "I want to say something that will anger some people on a topical subject to boost my audience."

He's done this before with other things and will do it again. That's how these people try to earn their living...

Too many documentaries on MMO addiction plus lack of interaction with real gamers = these views.

From his unusual views I would suggest that it is he who does not 'know what his neighbor looks like', when you consider how many hard-working American adults play video games today.

Guess who has been in a cave on Mars with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears and yelling, "LALALALA!!!" for the past couple decades.

Bill O’Reilly is a fool. Playing Video games does NOT mean you are going to fail in life. And how are the jihadists conected with video games? It makes no sense.

"Basically what you have is a large portion of the population...who don’t deal with reality"

well, its good to know he knows what hes talking about.

For someone who recently bitched and complained about the violence in today's horror movies, it's hard to take him seriously anymore.

Don't worry O'Reilly, with the extent of technology there will soon be at least one game in which you can kiss a lot of ass and lie through your teeth which will help gamers become successful, just like you.

Wow, that was a rant. "I'd never own an iPod"? What the hell is he talking about? Listening to an iPod is beneath him? How's about a record player? I didn't hear him say anything about the dangers of watching T.V., I wonder why?

"did you ever talk to these computer geeks? I mean, can you carry on a conversation with them?" What the hell are you talking about? You should leave the nerds alone O 'reilly, I've heard that one day they may get their revenge.

I guess he has a bad case of Technophobia.

In all fairness, there are a lot of people on the interw3bs who could stand to turn off the games for a while and spend the time learning to spell. I think he has a point, although it be buried under layers of bothersome hyperbole and exaggeration.

I live in Ireland, and as a result am not exposed to Bill O'Reilly on a regular basis. Whenever his name pops up, it's always attached to some kind of insane rambling. Boycott France! War on Christmas! Some kind of connection between videogames and Jihad! To me he seems like some kind of crazy fictional character!

His site has a *picture* of an iPod on the main page next to the "give me money please" link. I would call him a hypocrite, but then I doubt he has any real say in what goes on his site other than his rants. He must have a web team doing the work for him, because there's no way on earth this guy actually uses the internet.

It's like he just had a bunch of seals roll balls around with the names of random things and the ones that ended up in a certain area he picked to use in his rant about video games. I mean, this rant reminds me of when the New York Times critiqued American Dad for having an episode about masturbation on September 11th. It's like a connect the dots drawing where there is no numbers 4 through 7.

WHAT?!? Ok, we're all doomed because we have PS3s and iPods and the Jihadists don't because they're too busy killing folks? Good going, idiot. You had to just connect terrorism to not-playing video games. In that same train of thought, playing video games stops terrorism. Stop hating America, Bill. Let us play video games because we're FREE to do it. Just like you're FREE to say stupid stuff.

So, when do we send a huge shipment of 360s to Iraq?

"did you ever talk to these computer geeks? I mean, can you carry on a conversation with them?”
How about the 'computer geeks' who are running all the technology for his show. Maybe he should fire them all and run it himself...oh wait, he probably isn't smart enough to run it.

Its gonna be said sooner or later:

O RLY?

What? I thought video games taught people to be hardcore killers. Everyone keeps saying that, so if the people of the US of A are falling into the video game world, doesn't that mean we should have a country of harden killers? Those jihadists better watch out, those computer geeks are gonna be kicking some ass soon.

Clicked too soon. I was just trying to get the point across, are we gonna be violent killers from playing this game or mindless zombies? Can't these people make up their mind.

"In the past to flee the real world people usually chose drugs or alcohol… now you don’t have to do that, Now all you have to do is have enough money to buy a machine…"

Because nobody uses drugs or alcohol anymore. Especially not teens/20-somethings. And drugs? They were CHEAP! Same with booze.

"So they don’t know what day it is; they don’t know temperature it is; they don’t know what their neighbor looks like."

It's Saturday, it's 38 degrees outside, the neighbor on my left is a middle aged, heavy black woman with 4 or 5 teenage kids and her husband. The neighbor on my right is a 30something thin, tallish black woman with lots of friends over all the time and 5 kids or so. The neighbor across the street is a 20 or 30 year old thin, short white woman who I've seen outside once... But maybe I'm just the statistical anomaly...

"It has a video game console, plays DVDs, connects you to the Internet, tells you how handsome you are. It’s six-hundred bucks. "

I bet Bill has something that costs at least 600 bucks, plays DVDs, connects you to the Internets, tells you how handsome you are and plays video games. (The PS3 tells you how handsome you are? Wha?)

"Now people lined up for hours to get this thing. Hours!"

People lined up to see Santa for hours. People lined up for hours to see (band). People lined up for hours to see Star Wars (and other movies)...

"because if you spend all your youth being prisoners of machines….. you’re not going to know anything…."

Oh THAT explains why nobody in my generation has a college degree or a job! It makes sense!

"the jihadists? They’re not playing the video games."

I thought they were playing video games?

bill o'reilly is nothing but a biased conservative douchebag,and its pretty sad that little shitbag is afraid of technology,when the real thing thats destroying life is the bullshit he spews out of that mouth of his.

(Basically what you have is a large portion of the population, mostly younger people under the age of 45, who don’t deal with reality - ever. So they don’t know what day it is; they don’t know temperature it is; they don’t know what their neighbor looks like. They don’t know anything… because they are constantly diverted by a machine. Now what this does is it takes a person away from reality because they’ve created their own reality…)

I am a videogame addict. I am a rabid GTA fan. I DO know what today is.
(Saturday November 18, 2006)
I DO know who my neighbours are.
I KNOW quite a bit.

(The newest thing is the PlayStation 3. Now this is a machine that allows you to play games in hi-def and all this other stuff… It’s the newest state of the art system from Sony…. It has a video game console, plays DVDs, connects you to the Internet, tells you how handsome you are. It’s six-hundred bucks. Now people lined up for hours to get this thing. Hours!)

It doesnt tell how hansome you are STUPID!
Actually It plays PS3, PS2, and PSX games, DVD, and BLu-Ray. It's a friggin computer that plays videogames on your TV. And a good computer that does all that can cost more than a thousand dollars. This is actually cheaper. And people will line up for anything. New videogame consoles, Harry Potter, Movies,etc.

(The problem with this stuff is that some people can deal with it constructively… but other people get addicted to it, just like opium, just like drugs and alcohol… So this is a big, big problem. It’s going to change every single thing in this country.)

What, becuase you don't understand it?

(The have-nots are growing. Why are they growing? Because the skill set that is necessary to earn a decent living is being deemphasized in a fantasy world of football games and shooting zombies and all that…. Now you have the “knows” and the “know-nots”, because if you spend all your youth being prisoners of machines….. you’re not going to know anything…. You’re gonna fail.)

And you know this becuase...

(I don’t own an iPod. I would never wear an iPod… If this is your primary focus in life - the machines… it’s going to have a staggeringly negative effect, all of this, for America…)

Like what?

(did you ever talk to these computer geeks? I mean, can you carry on a conversation with them? …)

Have you really tried? What about the computer geeks that run your stupid show?

(I really fear for the United States because, believe me, the jihadists? They’re not playing the video games. They’re killing real people over there.)

So we should be killing people over here too? Just what are you saying here?

Just another old, out of touch asshole who is trying to talk about something that he doesen't know anything about.

Hey O'Reilly, STFU!

- Warren Lewis

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility.

You see, I'm not angry at what he said. It's Bill O'Reilly, after all... But in fact I'm sincerely HAPPY of his anti-game bashing.

You know why ? Actually, I have no problem having things in common with someone I strongly disagree with (or even despise). And on the opposite, I have no problem having serious points of disagreement with someone I love or deeply respect, although I can regret it. This is why I'm happy about the French culture minister's policy supporting video games, although this is almost the only thing I approve of him.

But in the case of O'Reilly... I'm glad that his rant on videogames, gamers, etc... confirms exactly what I think of him. And I really prefer to disagree with him on that subject.

@Bissel

(Warning: About to generalize based on personal observation)

Nono, it's the left wingers who believe that people, such as jihadists, only do bad things when forced to do so by the influence of evil, such as guns or video games. Thus, ban guns video games and people will become paragons of virtue.

The right wingers prefer to think that people are responsible for their own actions. Therefore, if they attack games, it's because they think we should quit with the fake stuff and start living a "real" life, full of responsible activity.

Mr. O'reilly

A) Google the words "Tickle Me Elmo". Slap in the face, isn't it?

B) You're using a machine to get your message out. Those same machines had people just like you in the past deliver the same message. How many slaps can you take?

C) I live in an apartment. I know all my neighbors except one. Scratch that, we became friends when he saw me come home with an EB Games bag. This is close to a TKO.

D) As a personal trainer I have to help clients through such issues as obesity, family illness histories, anorexia, depression, and all the social ills from being out of shape to all the social ills of being in shape. I also just found out my ex-girlfriend (whom I wanted to marry) is now pregnant with a guy who is unemployed. Don't tell me I don't deal with reality.

What O’ Reilly seems to be overlooking is the fact that the majority of the people in line are not gamers. They’re overzealous parents and wannabe entrepreneurs. They’re either trying to get a console for their kids or are looking to make uber-profit selling it on Ebay.

Games ain’t the catalyst to the madness. It’s greed.


Andrew

Some gamer is o going to h4xx0r Bill's site.

You know it's going to happen.

"The have-nots are growing. Why are they growing? Because the skill set that is necessary to earn a decent living is being deemphasized in a fantasy world of football games and shooting zombies and all that…. "

I thought it was because Bush and co. was laying thier fiddles on the white house roof while the corperations ran off with the jobs....or are you saying you have to go to collage 3 time and have 3 or 5 degress and BAs in this and that jsut to be middle class....mmmmm
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"American society is changing for the worse because of the machines…"
All societies grow and change over time.......
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""I don’t own an iPod. I would never wear an iPod… If this is your primary focus in life - the machines… it’s going to have a staggeringly negative effect, all of this, for America… did you ever talk to these computer geeks? I mean, can you carry on a conversation with them? …I really fear for the United States because, believe me, the jihadists? They’re not playing the video games. They’re killing real people over there.""
So what your saying is you would be more happy if teens and kids were on drugs and killing each other daily??.....then of corse you would say

*I am sitting here,watching them....playing )these games((takeing drugs and killing each other)...and I cant do a thing to stop it*
sad sad little man O'rilye...sad ....you are now Rush Jr....

@Rigor Mortis

-- No no, what I meant was, I thought the jihadists were coming out with various video games (I don't remember the titles off the top of my head...) (and the 9-11-01 hijackers, I thought, trained a little on Flight Simulator)

'did you ever talk to these computer geeks? I mean, can you carry on a conversation with them?'

....He has obviously never bothered. Maybe it's because 'Computer Geeks' have access to things he can't understand, like, possibly, the fact there's such a thing as the 'rest of the world'?

I like how he blames people not having jobs on things like "the job-seekers sit around playing games all day" and not "the job-givers outsourced everything overseas where people work for pennies on the dollar."

Sorry for the double post, but try talking to a musician about Music or a Quantum Physicist about Quantum Physics. You'll soon get lost.

Is it the other persons fault for knowing more than you Bill?

Does the man ever realize what he says? I know my old Current Events teacher liked hearing him (maybe to find something to either talk about as discussion or just to contest with his thoughts), but god does he like his own voice.

There are people out there that specify with the field of their choice. Business men like to talk about business, while artists like to discuss things about art. It should be a no-brainer that Computer "geeks" enjoy talking about computers. The field is so wide-spread that it extends the arms to more than one field to know (Computer hardware, software, programing, etc) so it's no surprise that gamer's would discuss things on gaming. It's the whole human psyche of likes and dislikes that make unique beings co-exist with others that do the very same.

...some may call it friendship, or maybe even love.

Well I do agree with him on the fact that those people who would wait outside a wal-mart for three days straight are just douchebags that probably have no lives (besides the ones that are getting them to sell on eBay) Everything else he says is just like all the other rants he screams out, utter crap. So instead of games we need to do drugs and drink? Instead of games we need to pull a jihad and kill people? Wha? That's just crazy, even for him. What is really odd to me is his apparent technophobia (which has already been stated) about things like Ipods. Of course we are dependant on machines Mr. Bill, and that's a bad thing? What about cars, medical equipment, and of course the ultimate escapism machine ever made, the tv. This makes me wonder if he even knows how to use the internet.
Going off topic for a second I just want to say some republican conservatives are alright, the party has just been hijacked by the religious right. Most of them are focused on what conservatives were supposed to do, which is balance the budget and help the country economically. Now I'm an independant but I just wanted to get the word out that Bill O Reilly doesn't represent all of republican conservatives, but he does appeal to an awful lot of human messes.
All in all Bill O' Reilly= Irrelevant Douche

[...] Via: GamePolitics.com - Bill O’Reilly Slams PS3 Launch, Gamers, iPods, Digital Tech (not in that order) [...]

At one time O'rilye was right leaning but had alot of common sense that made sense now he has to try hard to meet the expectations of the base hes pandering to and well...hes becoem rush......

Ok. Deep, calming breaths everyone. I was irritated when I read the article myself; but I think we need to look at what is, in my opinion, the underlying point.

As a society we have become incredibly reliant upon machines for everything. I'm not saying that's good or bad but it does present certain problems that we've never had before.

Lets look at the recent mutli-day lines and some of the ensuing violence that broke out with the release of the PS3 for example. It IS a little nuts to wait outside a store for three or more days just so you can get a PS3 before someone else. Its even more nuts to shoot someone over it. These can be seen as an example of spme people thinking that a game system has more importance than a human life. I mean what employer is going to be ok with you taking off that many days of work just so you can buy a game system?

There's also the problem of addiction. There are people out there who become so enamored of a game, MMO, or similair product that they lose their sense of self. I don't know how common it is, but it can happen and we need to acknowledge it.

I'm a traditionalist myself, anyone here who knows me will know that about me. I can see where Mr. O'Riely is coming from, though I may not agree with all of it. Yelling and cursing him out solves nothing. The matter needs to be approached without condescention and a mind open to the debate. Otherwise we're just handing the anti-game crowd a victory before the fight's even won.

American society is changing for the worse because of the machines… In the past to flee the real world people usually chose drugs or alcohol… now you don’t have to do that, Now all you have to do is have enough money to buy a machine…

This is a good thing, you can not get arrested for drving after 6 hours of heavy video game playing (unless it causes you to be sleepy), a video game addiciton doesn't support drug dealers, video games don't need to be smuggled into this country. With games you can turn the game off and go back to the real world in a flash you cannot become sober or not high in an instant. Also a heavy addict would probably spend more money on drugs than a hardcore gamer.

Basically what you have is a large portion of the population, mostly younger people under the age of 45, who don’t deal with reality - ever. So they don’t know what day it is; they don’t know temperature it is; they don’t know what their neighbor looks like. They don’t know anything… because they are constantly diverted by a machine.

So basically anyone under the age of 45 is stupid and can't tell the difference between reality and fiction? Keep talking O'Reily you're doing a great job of making people think you're senile.

Now what this does is it takes a person away from reality because they’ve created their own reality…

The same thing could be said about every novel ever made well actually it can't because with novels you go into a reality someone has created for you, instead of having to create one as you said.

The newest thing is the PlayStation 3. Now this is a machine that allows you to play games in hi-def and all this other stuff… It’s the newest state of the art system from Sony…. It has a video game console, plays DVDs, connects you to the Internet, tells you how handsome you are. It’s six-hundred bucks. Now people lined up for hours to get this thing. Hours!

Days would be a lot more accurate, and I do believe people camped out for star wars movies.

The problem with this stuff is that some people can deal with it constructively… but other people get addicted to it, just like opium, just like drugs and alcohol… So this is a big, big problem. It’s going to change every single thing in this country.

People get addicted to a bunch of stuff,as stated before people can get addicted to golf. 'It's going to change everything in the country' is an exxageration at best.

The have-nots are growing. Why are they growing? Because the skill set that is necessary to earn a decent living is being deemphasized in a fantasy world of football games and shooting zombies and all that…. Now you have the “knows” and the “know-nots”, because if you spend all your youth being prisoners of machines….. you’re not going to know anything…. You’re gonna fail.

Please show me an example of a youth who spends every single second playing games. You can;t then be quiet. Oh and calling gamers know-nots shows just how senile you are (especially when you use the term know-nots).

Bill keeps talking about being prisoner of machines and not understandingh reality because of machines. I think he's been watching too many Terminator movies.

O RLY?

Bill O Riely:

-Control freak
-The type of guy who would burn new technology and call it 'witchcraft'
-That guy from the TGI Friday's commercial (the one with the guy using that old 70's cell phone)
-Trying to be the new Jack.
-But is more like the new Joseph McCarthy.

"Trouble coming everyday."

Yup, his name reminds me of O'RLY too....

You know, if Bill would have used the anonimity of the internet a few years back, maybe he wouldn't have had to pay off that one woman that he tried to force into dirty conversations.

O'RLY's a dick about 90% of the time, but there is an occasional moment where he says something that's either right or agreeable with. If I had a choice as to who to send to the moon without any oxygen or a space suit between him and Nancy Grace, it'd be a hard choice though I think I'd favor ol'Tweety.

Let me one up that

I ask: O RLY?
And he responds: YA RLY!
I am shocked: NO WAI!

Isn't Bill O'Reilly's core audience people who have a hard time dealing with reality? You'd think he wouldn't be insulting them.

Ironic isn't it that O'Reilly makes his living by diverting people's attention with a machine that lets them escape from reality?

Using drugs and alcohol to escape reality is a better choice than video games? He didn't come right out and say it, but he certainly implied it.

Please PHOENIXZERO, don't make me vomit at the thought of Nancy Grace. Don't mean to sound sexist but she is a real bitch.

Anyways, I'm kind of sick of this mindless fear of technological and cultural advancement.

"I FEAR CHANGE!!"

I'm not standing on either side of this fence, but I can certainly see where he is coming from.

I know some kids that put their livelihoods (jobs) and educations (college) at risk just to get in line for a Playstation. Skipping out on work or school for a videogame is ridiculous, no matter how you slice it. Let's stop ignoring the fact that we all know people like this. Sure, O'Reilly was a bit extreme with his rant, but he has a point to a certain extent.

We all know some of those kids that spend way too much time on games, MMOs, Live Action RPGs, or just pen and paper RPGs. Some of those kids can't have normal conversations outside of games, and we all know this to be true. We should acknowledge this fact and say, while they are some people like that, it's not the complete truth. I, for one, had a roommate who did nothing but play World of Warcraft. He played, all night, every night. When I was getting up to go to class, he was going to bed because he had just played 13 hours straight. Needless to say, it wasn't long before he flunked out. And I know several people who follow this pattern. We have to stop acting like this isn't true.

Also, on the IPOD. I met a guy who said he didn't feel like a real college student until he had one. Come on. That's ridiculous. People are getting too concerned with technology and letting it define who they are. It's a problem that we have to deal with. Get over it. Sure O'Reilly says a lot of nonsense, but he made some valid points in his argument.

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Matthew Wilsonyup, but curent city rules do not allow for that.04/15/2014 - 11:00am
ZippyDSMleeIf SF dose not start building upwards then they will price people out of the aera.04/15/2014 - 10:59am
Matthew Wilsonthe issue rent control has it reduces supply, and in SF case they already has a supply problem. rent control ofen puts rent below cost, or below profit of selling it. rent control would not fix this issue.04/15/2014 - 10:56am
NeenekoRent control is useful in moderation, NYC took it way to far and tends to be held up as an example of them not working, but in most cases they are more subtle and positive.04/15/2014 - 10:24am
PHX CorpBeating Cancer with Video Games http://mashable.com/2014/04/14/steven-gonzalez-survivor-games/04/15/2014 - 9:21am
Matthew Wilsonwhat are you saying SF should do rent control, that has never worked every time it has been tried. the issue here is a self inflicted supply problem imposed by stupid laws.04/15/2014 - 8:52am
 

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