More Rule of Rose Criticism... Publisher Responds

More Rule of Rose Criticism... Publisher Responds

November 20, 2006
In Europe, pressure continues to mount on horror-RPG release Rule of Rose.

As reported by The Sun, a pair of anti-bullying organizations have issued criticisms of the game, which is due for release in the U.K. on Friday. Niall Cowley, of Beatbullying, said:
The contemptible thing about this game is that you play the role of a teenage girl being abused. Who would want to play such a thing, and who would want to make such a thing?

Sony officials countered with:
This game should not be sold to children under 16. We encourage parents to take responsibility to ensure their children do not see it.

Meanwhile, 505 Games, which is publishing Rule of Rose for the European market, has invited critics to judge for themselves at a preview event in Milan on Thursday. As reported by GameDaily BIZ, the company issued a statement saying, in part:
Rule of Rose is a horror genre videogame, similar to a number of other videogames and movies on the market today, but does not in anyway incite minors to commit violent acts and does not promote acts of violence towards minors.

Following an in depth analysis by Pan European Game Information, the Interactive Software Federation of Europe and the Video Standards Council, the Rule of Rose videogame was judged to be suitable for European market distribution.

505 Games also objected to what it termed erroneous coverage in Panorama, an Italian publication which claimed that burying a young girl alive will win the game.
The burial of the protagonist or of any other child does not appear in any scene of the game, not even indirectly. The scene that has triggered the discussion is in reality a dream sequence that serves as part of the introduction to the adventure: a non-interactive video sequence in which the protagonist, who is not a minor, is captured inside a crate.

See previous GP coverage on the Rule of Rose Controversy here. A GP shout-out to reader GoodRobotUs for the tip.

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Damn, who could have thought that Europe would get more anal-retentive about a game than the U.S.?
Even in EU looks like it's piss poor journalism FTW. Dumbasses.
I hate the sun with a pasion - it is so stupid with its shock and awe tactics and its Page 3 girls...early this week the they did this story about setting up a website to track sex offenders - the URL they had as the headline was quickly snapped up for a potential page 3 girl model company...
Well, I already own the GTA series, intend on getting the Warriors, Bully, etc. Now it sounds like I have to buy ROR as well. Damn politicians and shock journalists. They keep making these games sound interesting.
I have already sent the following to GP's tips mail address but I'm going to include it here for completeness.

Panorama is a tabloid from the Berlusconi family of companies. It sucks, but it's read by many conservative families all across Italy. The article is at: http://www.panorama.it/internet/computer/articolo/ix1-A020001038759

AESVI, the Italian association of sofware entertainment distributors, also has a press release decrying Panorama's mishandling at their web site, http://www.aesvi.it/.

The article in Panorama was full of factual errors; what little it did contain that actually referenced the game was allegedly plagiarized and deformed from a review that was posted on a forum of Future Media Italy, the foremost Italian editor of game magazines. Andrea Minini Saldini, chief editor for one of the FMI magazines and forum moderator, already complained to Panorama in their forums. (Context: Game press is one of the few fields of journalism that has a high standard here, having evolved from '80s/'90s fanzines, and AMS, like many other game journalists, is an independent figure and a gamer himself.)

Also, the article seems to have been commissioned by the PR firm handling publicity for the launch of the game in Italy (which is how Panorama had high-res images for its cover and articles). This was said by Ivan Fulco, technology and game journalist for authoritative national newspaper La Stampa (http://www.lastampa.it/cmstp/rubriche/girata.asp?ID_articolo=86&ID_blog=...).

A long and Italian review of the whole ugly mess is found at http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=441 -- Google language tools can translate from Italian. (Too long to translate it myself.)
You really don't have to dig deep to find a reason to have a battered child as a protagonist. It can educate the players on how awful the problem can be. It certainly will make you want to save her. It sounds like the idea of the game is to be completely appalled at her treatment. I can only conclude by the Sun article that they want to brush the problem under the carpet and deny the very existence of child abuse.
I have to ask, is it "Rule of Rose" or "Rule of THE Rose?" I hope this wasn't mentioned in any comments/discussion I missed. If so, sorry.
This is just like bully, but it's in italy, and it's not bully. But i'm most suprised by the fact that jack hasn't jumped on this misguided train yet. Oh well, free advertising for ROR any way. A cool survival horror game with a good sounding story looks good to me. ^_^
Cool, the industry is lifting a finger to defend itself over there.
I guess horror should drop the disturbing themes, and only have stories where it's fluffy bunnies... who snuggle you to death...
> Even in EU looks like it’s piss poor journalism FTW

"The Sun" isn't really journalism. It's a tabloid of the lowest order
Did the UK just...sort of miss...Silent Hill 3? Where you're a teenage girl locked in a mall with bloodthirsty zombies and a cult chasing after you...

And apparently, they've never seen a bad teen horror flick. Or Hostel. Or Wolf Creek.
It's refreshing to see the game industry defending itself, especially after seeing how Rockstar's reaction to any kind of criticism is to stay COMPLETELY SILENT.
Wait till they find out about the borderline sexual stuff between school-age children in that game. They're going to shit themselves.

So let me make sure I have the rules right. You can't make a game where you play a bully nor can you make a game where you play someone who gets bullied?
Another thing with regards to the credibility of The Sun's story: The Sun is owned by Fox.

(Oh, alright, News Corp., who own Fox. Still.)

/b
@Matt

On the other hand, staying silent didn't seem to have affected the fact that they spent a month so far on the top 10 list of video game rentals...

Don't know how that compares to most other games. Think of the money they saved though, in never advertising, but letting JT do all the advertising for them? Probably not tax deductible as a business expense though. ;)
The contemptible thing about this game is that you play the role of a teenage girl being abused. Who would want to play such a thing, and who would want to make such a thing?
Who wouldn't? Victims trying to overcome their difficulties and free themselves are some of the best protagonists. Playing a game, or watching a movie, for that matter, where the "hero" was an abusive father, or something like that, wouldn't appeal to me much, but a young woman (teenage girl, whatever you want to call her) learning to stand up for herself is a great premise.
I don't know how this game plays out in the end, mind you. It's the horror genre, and that plays by a different set of rules I'm not terribly familiar with. Presumably, though, since this is a game, there is a way to win.
Regardless, the idea of dismissing something because it stars an abused teenage girl offends me. Not as a gamer, but as a writer.
@ SemperAR:

The game is titled "Rule of Rose".

Sheesh, if you're (not directed at anyone posting at GP) going to criticize something, make sure you get the name right.
"Jabrwock Says:
November 20th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
I guess horror should drop the disturbing themes, and only have stories where it’s fluffy bunnies… who snuggle you to death…"

Under the correct circumstances, that would be preety disturbing:)

"Robb Says:
November 20th, 2006 at 10:37 am
You really don’t have to dig deep to find a reason to have a battered child as a protagonist. It can educate the players on how awful the problem can be. It certainly will make you want to save her. It sounds like the idea of the game is to be completely appalled at her treatment. I can only conclude by the Sun article that they want to brush the problem under the carpet and deny the very existence of child abuse."

Agreed. In a Way, Jimmy hopkins and ((Who's the girl in rule of rose?)) are kind of similar characters. I belive that the NIMF was going after bully not because of grahphic violence, but becaus it critisizes authority and reveals the problem with bullying in schools.
Thing is, it's really a matter of judging the content before playing the game, The Sun itself is actually boycotted in some areas of the UK for it's reporting style, after the Hillsborough Disaster in the UK, they did some reporting which was unforgiveably false and inflammatory (Look it up on the Wikipedia). It is famous for jumping on any hysterical bandwagon and shouting 'Faster!'.

I find it oddly condascending that a hollywood movie based on a child trapped in a nightmare realm between life and death and trying to escape(Poltergeist) is considered a great horror movie, and yet a movie about a girl trapped in a nightmare realm and trying to escape is considered 'disgusting'.

It really does prove the hypocrisy and ignorance of many of the people who class themselves as being capable of thinking for all of us.

It's like showing Nightmare on Elm Street to a 12 year old and then complaining when he/she refuses to go to sleep.
@Matt: I see Rockstar as turning the other cheek and making the conservatives seem more evil than they already are (I am totally biased oy.) and how they are what I see as how people in Christianity should act instead of acting like the Pharisees to Jesus calling him a fraud and whatnot oy.
*yawn* More of the double standard between games and movies. Anyone see those Saw movies? Awfully violent lot, they were. No one is bickering about those. No, go after the games. They are corrupting everyone, O'RLY says.

I don't like horror games or movies, to be honest. Rule of Rose, for that matter, isn't getting especially great reviews. I would say, however, that the "Aristocracy of the Red Crayon" is a delightfully creepy name for a cult. XD
Argh, just spotted a typo in my last post, the second 'Movie' should be 'Video Game'. :X
Exick:

"So let me make sure I have the rules right. You can’t make a game where you play a bully nor can you make a game where you play someone who gets bullied?"

Exactly. Now you're getting the idea.
The game that will still probably get criticized by those same people (anti gamers and stuff)

plot: a man in an open field, theres a house in the distance, you go to the house, open the door, you go in, sit down near the fire place, and open a book. turn the page, and it says, "you've finished 100% of the game. The end."
Jer: That game is clearly advocating an antisocial life of quiet luxury. You should be out working and caring for a family, you vile cretin.
I have said it before and I'll say it again. The mere notion that video games incite people to commit acts of violence isn't even moronic. It's submoronic. Anybody who believes this theory is stupid and retarded. What is it with people in Europe anyway? They can't stand a little horror game like this? No game should ever be banned because of violence and I hope this game sells real well in Europe and hurts the cause of anti-game turds like Jack Thompson. I sometimes am curious about something. How many time do these stupid turds have to lose before they realize that video games, of all kinds, are here to stay?

They're not going anywhere. As long as there are people like me, who are willing to buy and play them, they will never be gotten rid of and I hope that one day soon, they realize that their efforts are futile and invain. They're never going to beat the video game industry and they'll never be able to stop people, who really want to play from playing. There need to be more games like Bully and Manhunt so that these idiots finally realize that they can get as mad as they want, but these games aren't going anywhere. Jack Thompson, and all others like him, need to shut up!!
I just got deja vu hearing you guys rip The Sun...does anyone remember the last article GP featured when The Sun was the paper in question? I want to say it was a Bully article from a few months ago but I'm not sure, and this is going to bug me until I find out. =/
Ahh, Bully... those were the days when a news source would have garnered considerable attention by NOT ripping on a video game. Good times, good times, I mean, for the video game industry it kind of sucked, but some of the anti-VG views were entertaining to read.
As for RoR, I've little to add that hasn't been said already - though I do find the industries' responses to be somehow amusing.
News: "This game is creepy and the main character suffers from a traumatic past! It's bad for kids!"
Industry: "No shit!"
I wouldn't trust The Sun to tell the truth about their pricetag.

There's no reason to believe that the organisations that "slammed" it had even heard of it before the Sun asked about it.

Here's how it works. They call the charity, say "There's a game out where a girl is tortured and abused. Do you have an opinion?", naturally the charity says "well, that's awful, we certainly don't approve", and then they hype it up. They've used this tactic to get the viewers and listeners association to condemn an innocent childrens fantasy series, and an elderly charity to "slam" a silly tango advertisement where an old lady pops like a balloon.
Niall Cowley of Beatbullying.com:

"The contemptible thing about this game is that you play the role of a teenage girl being abused. Who would want to play such a thing, and who would want to make such a thing?"


Me... and I'm 28 and make my own purchasing decisions, thank you very much. The cause of all this hysterial is really nothing more than small-minded people making the same "all digital media is for children" assumption and then frantically attempting to censor it to save their poor little babies before ever doing thorough research into the subject.
@ my 1st comment, was irrelevant oy. But I love how 505 games is going out on a limb to challenge haters and conservatives by showing them the real thing up front oy, instead of just standing there. Yes, I'm contradicting myself with the last one I posted oy.
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Bullying is prevalent in Japan and this game sexualises it. I know what I'm talking about here, pls. trust me on that one.
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I have beaten this game now, and I fail to see the problem. It's true that at times it can contain violence (though none of this is directed at minors, just "imps" and the main character, who is 19 and thus not a minor at all) but that is mentioned in the rating on the box. Furthermore, the "burying a young girl alive to win the game" is completely and totaly false. The only sequence that vaguely reflects burying someone alive, is when the main character (again not a young child) falls into a box. This scene is in the opening sequence long before you even start playing the game, let alone win it. This whole controversy was obviously sparked by someone who watched the opening sequence of the game, and never actually played it, as nearly every issue adressed (the "burying a young person alive" and the rat being rubbed in a young person's face) is in the opening sequence. Yes, it is true that I would not recomend this game for young children, it is still no worse than any other game of its rating and genre, and I believe it was simply targeted because they needed to ban something after they failed at banning Bully. the story itself did indeed involve minors, but without spoiling too much, it attempted to tacke the issue of obsesion, rather than sexuality, another "problem" with the game that would not be a problem at all, had those in favor of banning the game actually played it, or at the very least got an objective view of what the game meant by someone else who had beaten it. It's simply about what can happen when an unstable friend becomes so attached that they refuse to accept that you are allowed to have friends besides themselves.

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