
In one of the more compelling video game controversies of 2006, anti-game attorney Jack Thompson sought to have Rockstar's T-rated
Bully declared a public nuisance by a Miami judge.
Despite his
failure in that case, Thompson has vowed to pursue the same tactic against M-rated games in 2007. An e-mail press release sent out by Thompson on Christmas Eve reads in part:
Thompson announces today that he will bring lawsuits in the next calendar year, under various states’ existing public nuisance laws, to stop the marketing and sale of certain ESRB-rated “Mature” video games to minors...
Thompson’s 2006 suit to stop the sale of Take-Two/Rockstar’s Columbine simulator Bully was just a practice run for what is to follow. The court’s order of the production of the Bully game prior to its commercial release sets the precedent for what Thompson will do again, but this time with Mature-rated titles that the Federal Trade Commission has recently found are being sold to children across America 42% of the time!
GP: Frankly, we don't see this happening. For one thing, Miami-Dade County Judge Ronald Friedman's order to produce
Bully in court for his review carries no legal authority in other states. And, despite his demand to view the game, Friedman ultimately ruled that Thompson's public nuisance claim was entirely without merit.
What's more, Thompson has unsuccessfully tried to push this idea before. In 2005 and 2006 he
sought to convince California Attorney General Bill Lockyer that police officers could walk into retail stores and seize copies of
25 to Life under the public nuisance theory. That suggestion went nowhere.
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For JT to call Bully a Columbine simulator at this point is further proof the man is totally insane. JT, what about the friggin' "hidden" blood and gore you and your "hardcore gamer" accomplace found? What of your "deadline" to Patricia Vance to re-rate Bully?
I'll cite this
"A person is guilty of a public nuisance (also known as common nuisance), who (a) does an act not warranted by law, or (b) omits to discharge a legal duty, if the effect of the act or omission is to endanger the life, health, property, morals, or comfort of the public, or to obstruct the public in the exercise or enjoyment of rights common to all Her Majesty's subjects."
Some people may believe that violent games train us to kill, and other misinformed garbage like that, so therefore he actually does have a ledge to stand on, even though its a small one
However a few parts of that make Jacky guilty aswell, we all know about his *cough* arguements... that he has made on here, and certainly it has obstructed the public (community of GP and other sites) to exercise and enjoy our right to view the comments on this site
I'm... I'm speechless. I think that's him saying that he KNEW the Bully suit was going to fail, and was only using it to get ready for other nuisance cases. In my opinion, either he has some secret information about games coming out in '07, or we're going to see a LOT of (State) v. Spore cases, for daring to teach Evolution. If it's the first, then do you mind telling me when .hack//GU Volume 2 and 3 are coming out, Mr. Thompson?
I also wonder if we can have HIM jailed for being a public nuissance.
"...to stop the marketing and sale of certain ESRB-rated “Mature” video games to minors…"
"Thompson’s 2006 suit to stop the sale of Take-Two/Rockstar’s Columbine simulator Bully was just a practice run for what is to follow."
2 sentences, 3 gross misrepresentations of the truth. Firstly, as is well known, Bully was rated T not M, so the lawsuits are not directly to do with the issue he claims them to be. Second, quoting the Columbine simulator thing is really dumb, slanderous and an obvious attempt to get the press release printed, especially as that quote came from Thmsom himself. Thirdly, what is he actually saying with this press release? That he's going to get all games produced to courts before they are released?
The sad thing is, all this press whoring does is polarise the issue in the popular press, when we should be having an open debate as to whether the ratings board is accurately rating the games (I believe they are), and to educate parents that, yes, some games are unsuitable for under 10s, and please do your job as a parent before blindly buying them...
BAAAAAHAAHAHAHAAHAAAHA! You pose as much threat to the videogame industry as walking up to me and taking a swing.
In other words, you're harmless. You get on gamers about how they waste their time... it obviously hasn't hit you yet that you are wasting your time. In fact, I'd think you waste a lot more time and even more money.
MY animosity towards you isn't even about your vendetta. It's your arrogant and self ritious attitude about it all.
Jack, you don't even begin to come off as though you care about the well being of anyone. You are more like the 21 year old body building gang banger with chrome teeth and a stretch limo H3 Hummer with spinners. The ONLY thing it says is that
1: You have no taste and no class.
2: You want the world to look at you and what you want the world to believe.
You'll pardon me if I don't hold my breath waiting for you to topple the entertainment industry. You'll have croaked from congestive heart failure long before you even make a dent.
Education is what you SHOULD be focusing on. Of course, if you want to teach our nation's children how to act like a responsible and respectable human being you need to be one, perhaps that's why you resort to wasting money and time with needless and pathetic lawsuits... you friggin' hippie.
For every rule there is always an exception.
Ever taken AP chem, for every lab you have to do each experiment you have to repeat it 3 times for accurate results, and the reults you get can be very diverese even if you think you're doing it right. Back to the point not every judge is the same and not every game is the same so it really doesn't fit the definition you described (I highly doubt Jack will succeed but I don't think this counts as insanity).
The reason for the gamer angst about me and more importantly about what I do, is that I pose a real and present danger to companies like Take-Two.
If you think not, then just watch the two wrongful death cases in New Mexico and Alabama against Take-Two that are up and running.
Litigation against Big Tobacco met with early defeats, but the race goes, as it did there, to the persistent.
At root, the real problem that all video game addicts have with me is that they accomplish absolutely NOTHING with their gaming other than a waste of time. When someone comes along to show what one person can do, by the grace of God, against an evil sector of an otherwise benign industry, then that discomfits the nerds who sit on couches feeling guilty about the lives they are wasting.
This coming year is going to be a great year. Just watch. Oh, and put down the controllers, step away from the consoles, and get a life.
Jack Thompson
Jack Thompson Blasting off again!!!
Cue paper cut out JT Pokemon crossover on youtube.
That's why I always laugh when Jack calls us scum, he obviously hasn't looked in the mirror for a very long time ;)
Funny thing is, a lot of politicos and 'concerned parents' forget two things about the 'good old days' of the 50's. First, child mortality was higher, much higher, disease and abuse were far greater killers than they are now, crime was lower because beating your son with a carpet-paddle was considered discipline then, not crime. Secondly, the average age of marriage was around 14-16 years old.
Makes me wonder whether these people genuinely think that going back to the 'good old days' will actually help or whether they are simply too weak-charactered and afraid to face the present themselves.
I agree with you there, Jack Thompson including other christians should get a life out there and put down their bibles. Me wonders why christians are sissies.
I read Richard Dawkins book "The God's Delusion" and all of it is facts, I think the world is better off without christianity, it is slowing down world advancement and kept complaining about things that are so-called "unholy" to their imaginary God.
Of course though, atheists and agonistics like us love our neighbours, appreciate modern technology that has helped us but of course, christians make peace with the sky and not only being unappreciative but criticized modern technology because of it's "unholiness".
I wouldn't believe anything in the British media. Right now, the media and most of the public are wanting us to return to "fifties values" in a very ker-azy way by banning everything, shipping off all foreigners and dealing with troubled young people by shipping us all off to war.
Good Point!
- Warren Lewis..
I don't know about you guys but I usually take that day off to spend with my family. I've got this image of Thompson dressed as Scrooge sitting in a cold, cold apartment, scribbling madly and cursing the carrollers outside.
Bah humbug Mr. Thompson. Bah humbug!
I think he's more like that Weepinbell that James had.
Every time he comes out to fight, he ends up eating one of his allies.
Sorry to disappoint, nobody will look up to him and bow down to worship the infamous Jack Thompson, even though he is famous, but what's the point on being famous if all of the world hates him?
the video game industry truly is not involved with the game at all after they hit the store shelves, the only people that can be blamed for selling the games to minors would me the retail outlets, which the industry has absolutly no control over
Jacks only real argument against the game industry (that could possibly hold even the slightest bit of water) is in his claims that they advertise M rated games to minors, however i've never heard of him giving any such examples of such advertising except when he once claimed of GTA adds running on sports net, which of course is a program with a core demographic of somewhere between 16-35 year olds
Oh, I hope lots of people are watching Mr Thompson, I hope the world sees a man offering to protect a child abuser to further his own personal crusade to 'protect' children. And you can rest assured they will see through the tissue of false prophethood you wear.
Methinks our favorite idiot from Miami needs to re-evaluate his life.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2725010
I think that's what JT is shooting for. Yes, it's a crazy plan, but just crazy enough to work. Right now, that's the best he can hope for.
I’m… I’m speechless. I think that’s him saying that he KNEW the Bully suit was going to fail, and was only using it to get ready for other nuisance cases.
When I read that line, I wondered how he thinks he's going to win any suits when he lost his "practice run." No matter how you read it, though, that line is pure idiocy.
Back in November(?), JT issued several statements about finding hidden blood, gore, and killing in Bully with the help of a "hardcore gamer". Around that time, he issued a warning to Patricia Vance to have the ESRB re-rate the game. The deadling passed, and JT has said nothing further of the matter.
I grow weary of your antics. Jack, you sure can spin any defeat, no matter how crushing, debilitating, humiliating, etc. it may be, to your advantage. "Gadfly attourney," much?
Anyway, this new IP is banned from posting & reading GP.
"Now what haven't I tried to ban under public nuisance? Grand theft auto, No, 25 to life, no, bully, no, ahh here's something Timesplitters, sheesh never heard of it, wait that means the evil game companys are trying to pull the woll over my eyes those bastards, to the courthouse"
are movies regulated? i see kids enter r rated movies with no question, both with and without parents.
And he also tries the same tactics over and over again... How many times are they going to try to catch pikachu by digging a hole in the ground and waiting for Ash and his friends to fall into it?
I see Jack's changed. He's gone from being a self-important egotist to being a self-delusional madman.
Pardon me for saying, but I hardly think that's an improvement.
I also see, in his references to "Columbine Simulator", he's still professing to be a Christian, while ignoring the Ninth Commandment.
Jack: Out of my way 2007, i have a new idea! new idea!
goes in to court room*
10 mins later leaves court room*
Jack: dammit! that was the same dam idea from 2006!
I'm not sure what country's public nuisance law you cited, but rest assured the United States does not have a queen. Additionally, the First Amendment trumps public nuisance laws in that "speech" can not be considered a nuisance in the USA. According to the courts, video games = speech. Ergo, video games are not a nuisance.
And since Jack can only practice law in Florida, it should be noted that the law there was pretty much designed to shut down nudie bars, but can also be applied to something with immediate negative effects on the public welfare. Video games do not qualify under this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_ar...
You see, if it wasn't computer games, it MUST have been Harry Potter, because they are both using exactly the same excuse.
I'd say another similarity is that the whole thing was funny at first, but now every time I hear about him I just feel kind of annoyed.
And unlike games, selling liqour to underaged people is an an offence. A documentary in Britain (so I'm told) had a small girl (under 12) who they made an ID card for. She went to pubs and liqour stores around the country, buying liqour. Amazingly, many of the liqour stores didn't ask for ID at all in the first place.
So before we all get scared about the fact that the cashier at Wallmart doesn't want to go through the bother of rejecting a purchase of an M rated game to a kid who will clearly get his parents to do it for him anyway, lets also think about the ineffectiveness of REAL age controlled purchases, such as liqour.
lol At first I thought the title meant that Jack Thompson promises to be more of a public nuisance with his silly claims in the up coming year XD
Oh well, at least we'll be able to point and laugh at his repeated failures for another year.
What do you mean by "Get a life"?
Can you also please explain what are "video game addicts"?
"...accomplish absolutely NOTHING with their gaming..." What do you mean? Couldn't media like books and movies be classified the same? or what about activities like sports?
One thing i'm worried about is that he might be slowly gaining experiance from his losses(*cue napolean qoute*), but other then that, The pro-gamers have this.
the cycle may stop in 2007 and as far as we have seen. Anti-game bills have poped up, (1 for JBT + Anti-Gamers) but they are been challenged and shot down. (1 for Gamers), JBT and the anti-game politicans have been shown for the showboaters they are for the most part (1 for Gamers)
I thought this one relevant both for its "look into the New Year" quality as well as a way to document what goes on, what is said, etc.
I think the Kotaku letter thing gets old fast, personally.
Jack, get a life.
No, we're talking about how vain and out of touch with reality he is.
@Father Time - I took some chemistry in college, and usually got the same results when I did it right...
Regardless, I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that Jack is trying the EXACT same legal arguments that have failed on constitutional grounds before. Not all judges are the same, but almost all of them will bow to legal precedent.
@Jotun - I wasn't going to take it that far... Christians in general are OK in my book. The fundamentalists who feel it is their duty to push their warped view of reality on the rest of us are the only ones who really piss me off - I'll take reason over faith any day of the week. I really need to read that book, tho.
"Barratry, in criminal and civil law, is the act or practice of bringing repeated legal actions solely to harass. Usually, the actions brought lack merit. This action has been declared a crime in some jurisdictions."
He know's you hate him and he's using it to give himself a pat on the back and stroke his own ego:
"Wow, this is a lot of posts about someone who is branded here, repeatedly, as above, 'irrelevant.'"
He also is relying on stereotypes to sell his point:
"At root, the real problem that all video game addicts have with me is that they accomplish absolutely NOTHING with their gaming other than a waste of time. When someone comes along to show what one person can do, by the grace of God, against an evil sector of an otherwise benign industry, then that discomfits the nerds who sit on couches feeling guilty about the lives they are wasting."
The nerd stereotype! Haven't heard that millions of times about the gaming community! Not very original now are you Jack? Come up with something new...
Now you people might see why I protest the use of this kind of nerd stereotype because it feeds bigoty idiots like him.
But anyways I find it surprising that he calls our hobby and lives a waste of time, when his whole damn career and efforts are a bigger waste of not only time, but money.
So if that really is you Jack, I don't think that any of us are really scared of what you got to throw our way considering your past failure. And even if you do succeed in the end, it won't last. Comic books were put under the comics code for years limiting what it could should show, but was later taken down. Rock and roll censors limited the viewing of Elvis on television to be above the waste only, but we all know where that went. Heavy metal went through it's crap with people saying it lead people to kill others, but that stopped after a while. History has proven that strict censorship never lasts and the same will apply to anything you attempt to do. In the words of Bill O'Reilly to some of the people who email him "Wise up!"
So you're going to attack m-rated games that are not made by Rockstar and Take Two? I can only see it if 25 to Life type games are made. Otherwise with your track record of Attacking Rockstar/Take Two games and Grand Theft Auto 4 being released next October, You will be up to the same antics next year.
(Thompson’s 2006 suit to stop the sale of Take-Two/Rockstar’s Columbine simulator Bully was just a practice run for what is to follow. The court’s order of the production of the Bully game prior to its commercial release sets the precedent for what Thompson will do again, but this time with Mature-rated titles that the Federal Trade Commission has recently found are being sold to children across America 42% of the time.)
Finally something both you and I agree on. Bully really was a pratice run for whats to come. In fact, I'm sure the lawsuits you will file will fail much easier than the Bully one did.
- Warren Lewis
I suggest you get a hobby like the rest of us. I'm sure you'll find life much more satisfying and rewarding. I understand there are some nice golf courses around Miami.
As for his lil' exercises in Alabammy and here in NM--it is to laugh that the Strickland case became "up and running" once Jack was ousted. And the Posey case? Well, let's just say Laddy Jack's going to have a hell of a time vilifying the good folk at Rodey the same way he's tried to drag Blank Rome through the mud.
Speaking of Jack's vitriol, I see he's still pimping the whole "Columbine simulator" angle, a slur against the gaming industry product Bully which is now demonstrably false--if I were in charge, I'd start looking into a trade disparagement case against ol' Miami Jack, possibly as a countersuit to all of his threatened nuisance actions...but that's just me.
Jack is currently suing Rockstar and T2 with regards to the Cody Posey case, a boy who murdered his family after years of abuse, including sexual. Evidence was given at the trial that the boy was physically, mentally and sexually abused, Incestuous pornography was found on the Fathers computer, which was the only one connected to the Internet. His parents even got his own sister to act as a spy, which often led to his beatings. No wonder he cracked, not being funny but can you imagine one of your siblings having the power to get you physically beaten at will? How de-humanifying would that be? Speaking up out of concern is one thing, simply reporting every bad grade is something else.
The boy is already serving a life sentence for what he did, he accepted responsibility on the spot, even admitting that he shot his sister twice 'to make sure'.
Basically years of abuse caused Cody to snap, not a few months of GTA (Apparently, his father played it, not Cody, judging by his family life, I don't see the boy being bought a games machine anyway).
So Jack is trying to divert responsibility away from a man who sexualy, physically and mentally abused his son for years in order to further his own cause. It's possibly the lowest I have ever seen the man sink. He is willing to put on the leash of any master, no matter how low, to achieve his goals.
That's why we pay attention to Jack, he's a Car-Wreck, people stop and look just to see the twisted mess thats left behind afterward, it's a sort of morbid curiosity to see just how much morality and integrity you are prepared to abandon on your technophobic crusade before you realise that the ends wont ever justify the means.
He's more of joke now than he was since Hot Coffee and he will continue on a downward spiral until he says something so stupid that all his credit will be lost, whatever is still left of course.
Anyways, I must pose a question to GP and all the people here. Why do you keep talking about JT? Don't you realize that he WANTS you to hate him? It's kind of obvious in how he keeps sending emails to GP and used to be a scum sucking moronic troll on GP which is a major game legislation type of site, now isn't it?
He realizes the very fact that we dislike him and vigorously talk trash about him and his actions causes him and his face to get out there in the spotlight. He PURPOSELY says shit (mocking a gamer suicide, one case of cussing at a gamer in an email exchange, lying about the charity money, etc.) and WANTS you to hate him (telling gamers to WEAR THEIR "I HATE JACK THOMPSON" T-SHIRTS) because that way people start to talk about him and what he is doing, the mainstream media of radio, television, etc. realize that there is another potential outlets for ratings by having the guy on there and be viewed by people who are either curious about what he thinks or those that flat out despise his views, and they put him on. Take a look at that TV report (I forgot what it was) where that interviewer kind of grilled JT on his points and they were talking about the Mortal Kombat Armageddon character modeled in his likeness. Then just try and tell me that the old fart isn’t enjoying every minute of camera time he gets.
Let's admit it. The reason why he was even featured in Rolling Stone magazine, CNN, Fox News, yada yada yada is because people don't like him and want to watch it and have another reason to not to like him. But whether you hate him or not doesn't matter to the people who run the outlets with which he is viewed, it's still viewers and listeners to their station(s) nonetheless, no matter why you are viewing it, and JT gets attention and maybe even paid to appear. It's a matter of not caring whether it's good publicity or bad publicity, but publicity (and hopefully viewers/listeners) either way.
In other words we hate him, mainstream media realizes that, puts him on to get our attention, he gets the attention he wants, more people recognize his cause or if not his cause, at least some front that covers up his real cause (being as he is a lawyer, in that case it would be money and his own inflated ego). In the end run, there is something in it for everybody by him continuing onward and he sure as hell isn’t going to lose out.
The solution? Ignore him. Plain and simple. I know it may be hard as he is constantly trying to oppress us by telling us that we’re essentially mentally incapacitated and cultural scum as well as his spreading of anti-game pseudo-pro-parent lies/propaganda, numerous lawsuits and attempts to stop game production and, in a very familiar nazi-ish way, have games destroyed (25 or Life). But I think that law and justice will prevail over his tripe, as it already has, with perhaps just a little help from the gaming community. I’m saying that the game community as a whole shouldn’t stop talking about him altogether, but seriously tone down how much we do. As to where that line should be drawn is entirely up for debate.
But to close it up here, I better stop before I myself help take his publicity another small notch further.
/rant
What Jacky Boy fails to understand is that his every action against the industry sets favorable precedence for the industry.
So I already know the exact result of his "wrongful death" lawsuits in Alabama and New Mexico which were nothing more than lies to begin with: the industry will win a favorable verdict. Remember the "wrongful death" lawsuits against Ozzy Osbourne, Judas Priest, and Oliver Stone?
And I've played Bully extensively this past week, and I said it when the real info on the game came out, and I'll say it again:
Columbine simulator, my ass!
Jack Thompson, practice what you preach: Grow up and get a life.
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>_>
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He's got some sort of emotional endurance.
'I see Jack’s changed. He’s gone from being a self-important egotist to being a self-delusional madman.
'Pardon me for saying, but I hardly think that’s an improvement.'
I think Jack always WAS a delusional madman. Probably ever since that debate against Janet Reno, where he wanted to know about her sexual orientation.
Oh, but Jack's right on one thing: 2007 WILL be a great year.
For US. NOT him.
He says we don't do anything about it in terms of what he'll do? I say, hell, we probably don't have to do anything. Just sit back at watch him make a total embarrassment of him. Just sit back and watch him shoot himself in the foot -- no wait, scratch that... make it: blow his entire leg off to tiny bits. There, that sounds more like it.
Wondered when hed spout his rubbish.
This shows how low things have gotten for him, when all he can do is file nuisance public nuisance lawsuits.
-Auto
Just imagine all the legal fees they are going to get from the poor politicians/groups that Jack convinces they have a case? He will become (more of) a joke that travels around, settles for a few weeks, loses the taxpayers a substantial sum of money trying to push an invalid or unconstitutional court case, then moves along and repeats.
Is there any list of the court cases he has been involved with, combined with how much legal fees have been re-imbursed? Perhaps a press kit describing this could be sent to Senators or other politicians saying "This man has so far cost the taxpayer $X, do you want to be responsible for adding to that total?".
Yea Jack you are doing a real good job showing us how nice and compasionate you are for the common man. We nerds should be thankful you deemed it fit to show us the error of our ways. After all, a Multi-Million, maybe even billion, dollar industry is a complete waste of time and eneregy and resources, not at all like pushing unconstitutional laws.
Do you think he would even realize that I'm being sarcastic IF he could still read this? Do you think he even realizes the massive impact actually baning video games (even JUST violent games) would have on the economy, not just in America, but world-wide? Do you think he knows you can play games on computers, too? Do you think he realizes that by blantently insulting us and ridiculing us he shows that he is far from a "protector" of children, much less a "man of GOD", much less a phopet. I've known many men of God, and JT is far from them. Do you think he realizes this site hosts a broad spectrum of people including children, adults, parents, and even the occasional senator?
Jacky just give it up! Please! There are too many real problems in the world: War, drugs, poverty, disease, famine, religous strife, global warming issues, oil, politcal scandal; both republican and democrat, Danfar, and far too many other things to list. Does video game violence even register on that list? At all? (Please note I mention these issues but my stance on them each may vary greatly)
@ GoodRobotUs
Are they really defending a child abuser claiming ame violence was the cause? No offense, but I really hope you are wrong.
In closing, I've said this before and will continue to say this, protect your child, do not protect me. I did not ask for it, nor do I need it.
Sorry for the rant.
He dosn't understand anything he says and is singleminded in his self-degradeing suicide, he has no grasp of the concequinces of his words and actions.
He has no idea that he hurts people with his random alegations and spits in the face of people, for instance that boy who had and abuseive family.
It would be akin to tearing open the wound and pissing pure salt into the would while sodomiseing the victim, uncalled for an frankly: Violent
Simple ignorance won't work on someone as malignant and bloody-minded as Jack Tompson, he needs to be stoped by force and never work in the law profession again
C! come on are u really gonna listen to a guy who watches wrestling,which has swearing,people getting hurt,and people hurting eachother for the enjoyment of other people,i say this guy is a total hipocrit, so A:shut the heck up, B: go away,C: no one cares for what u think,cause A: to that,u take away games from people,more then likley your gonna have alot of people around killing eachother,or comming for you -.- jus saying