January 3, 2007 -
Just before Thanksgiving, GamePolitics broke a story which detailed conservative pundit Bill O'Reilly's fear and loathing of digital culture, especially video games.In case you missed it (and shame on you if you did), here's what O'Reilly had to say about gamers:
Basically what you have is a large portion of the population... who don’t deal with reality - ever. So they don’t know what day it is... They don’t know anything… because they are constantly diverted by a machine. Now what this does is it takes a person away from reality because they’ve created their own reality…
The skill set that is necessary to earn a decent living is being deemphasized in a fantasy world of football games and shooting zombies and all that… I really fear for the United States because, believe me, the jihadists? They’re not playing the video games. They’re killing real people over there.
Now contrast O'Reilly's close-minded rant with the more rational view of conservative talking head Sean Hannity. As described on Kotaku, Hannity loves Nintendo's Wii, especially the boxing portion of Wii Sports, and related how he enjoyed playing the system with his son.
So... how does O'Reilly see cataclysm in video games while Hannity sees only fun and entertainment?



Comments
O'Reilly does have kids. And all of you guys are a bunch of pathetic, pimple-faced geeks who think you're smart because you play video games, and that somehow is enlightening. Yes, we know you were unpopular in high school (chances are, you're still in high school) and the only girl you'll ever get is someone just as fucked up as you are, but hey, masking the real problems that you have deep down inside by saying absolutely horrific things about Bill O'Reilly isn't helping. Give me a break!
I happen to believe that parents should take responsibility for what shows their children watch and what video games they play, instead of just dumping their kids in front of the electronic babysitter and wandering off. According to Bill O'Reilly, that makes me a leftist wingnut.
You lost all credibility right there. Making generalizations is what the anti-video game supporters thrive off of. Don't stoop to that.
Video games are a form of entertainment. Bill's rant destroys itself long before a serious critique deconstructs it. I guess those "removed from reality" afford their very expensive and time-consuming hobby by begging on the street while servers are down. One part of his rant really stood out:
" I really fear for the United States because, believe me, the jihadists? They’re not playing the video games. They’re killing real people over there."
Yeah, Bill. Let us praise the idea that someone is SO connected with reality -- especially the part where one worships an invisible, unknowable, and childish diety who spreads death, natural disaster, and promises damnation for anyone without "faith" (aka the desire to believe something without any evidence) -- that they kill REAL people. I mean, really, all these damn kids using video games to vent frustration on pixels -- that's horrible.
As Bill tells us, all violence should be REAL and inflicted upon REAL people.
1. He isn't trying to sell a book in which he bills himself as THE great crusader for right wing cultural values.
2. He is a devout believer in the MaGicAL powers of the free market. Hey Sean, how're we gonna' deal with school funding issues? "Free Market!", poverty? "Free Market!" health care? "Free Market!", Darfur? "Free Market!"
"MARTAY!" :tingle ting ting ting tingle:
"Hey Sean, I tell ya' I'm OLD, those democrats 'r bad! I'm OLD!"
"Ya' know Marty, that's exactly what I've been tryin' to say, you have some great insights into the world of politics."
"I'm OLD!" :tingle ting tingle:
"See ya' later Marty!"
In North America, Conservative and Liberal are almost defined in the eye of the beholder. Some Conservatives believe that government should stay out of personal business (the idea that smaller gov is better, less wasting of resources, more freedom for industry) (conservative in the fiscal sense). Others believe that it means "values-based", as in values from "the good old days" (conservative in the moral sense, aka Big Brother knows best). It gets very confusing sometimes, especially when you get the moderates arguing.
That's why a comedy show in Canada made fun of a couple of talking heads saying "Big 'C' Conservative", "Little 'c' conservative", "Big 'L' Liberal" and "Little 'l' liberal" as they were trying to sort out what kind of policy had just been announced. ;)
Still doesn't change the fact that he's a bit overzealous and egotistical, but hey, what radio host isnt?
It's only in the US that the political parties are so fucked up that they've more or less switched sides these days.
And yes, drug-addict Limbaugh and Nutjob O'Reilly are both media whores.
Well, I'm in the UK, so I don't really have too much experience with the American political parties, so apologies if I seemed like I'm stereotyping, in the UK 'Conservative' basically means 'Afraid of change' (That's an extreme definition by the way, not party policy). So you could effectively have 'Conservative Democrats' from a UK perspective.
Bill O'Reilly = 57
Sean Hannity = 45
Not the whole reason, of course, but certainly a factor.
I was just going to mention the age factor. Also, Hannity has kids and O'Reilly does not. The fact that he can play and enjoy a Nintendo Wii with his kids is simply awesome. If only more parents (Democrat AND Republican) could be involved with what their kids were doing, the world would be a better place.
Because Bill O'Reilly is a narrow-minded twit?
What? We shouldn't be critical of Bill O'Riely because of Hillary Clinton, Lieberman and Blagovitch passing/making up laws that sacrifice first amendment rights in the name of gaining votes?
If you think this site isn't harsh on all gaming critics, and supportive of all pro-gaming peeps, you seriously need to LURK MORE or gb2demonoid. I mean, just read this pro-hannity article above our heads, or scroll down a bit and edumacate yourself about a certain D-gov.
Also, try and learn the difference between true conservatives and progressive assholes trying to win votes/support from "conservative" Christians and luddites. Democrats aren't the only progressives right now, and given how much the Republican party has tried to change about the powers of our Federal government (deciding marriage laws, keeping people on life support, etc) I think you might want to be careful about who you label as conservative.
O'RLY is an I with certain conservative viewpoints who is actually very progressive.
Once again, we get to listen to someone with no knowledge at all of video games in general, criticizing us and postulating theories on what kind of people we are.
I guess O’Reilly’s real point is that all adult americans should be out on the streets learning to kill human beings, to prepare for killing the jihadits when they come to take away their freedom.
Protecting games against censorship and persecution is not a clear-cut case of Church Ladies vs. "what we think is fun." For every faith-based conservative trying to manipulate the law to protect "the children" from what they dislike about games, there were as many or more liberals trying to bring about laws to do the same thing but for different agenda reasons.
Here's a thought for a New Year's resolution: we keep the gratuitous partisan sniping to a minimum, focus our harshest criticism on those who ignorantly (and repeatedly) attack our hobby/profession, and continue to look for positive ways to support those whose job it is defend games against ignorant legislation and malicious litigation. (As an aside, and maybe GP noticed this himself, but many of the ideas we've discussed on our forums later became the text of talking points for people at both the ESA and the ESRB).
And what the HOLY NOODLE has happened to the old O'Reilly topic? Spambots and religious bullsh#t spans half the damn page size.
It's always funny when Bill O'Reilly proves the Anti-gamers wrong unintentionally.
So while JT goes on about banning computer games to appease Terrorists, Bill is contradicting him by saying that American kids play computer games and don't kill, whereas 'jihadists' don't play computer games and do kill.
These people are funny in a 'can't remember what we said 30 seconds ago' kind of way.
I meant NOT locked up in their own technophobia, sorry.
My guess is that it has to do with them being two different people. Just because they are both conservative doesn't mean they have identical beliefs.
Also, O'Reilly is a nutter. ;) I haven't seen or heard Hannity enough to know about him, but O'Reilly is definitely a few cards short of a deck.
At least I can't fault him for liking the Wii though. It does seem like a really good system that all members of a family could enjoy, and maybe that'll mean parents will actually pay attention to their children and stay involved in the process of what kids play on their game systems.
Games may be leaving behind the assumption that they're solely for children (slowly), but they still haven't gained cultural legitimacy as a valid form of expression, equal to film or television.
And while it's debatable whether games really are equal to the former two in say, depth or artistic and cultural value at this time, the fact remains that games, being the chosen form of entertainment for the age groups least likely to express political clout, are an easy target upon which to pin the decline of one's society.
You are the only idiot here. As a right leaning moderate I find O'r to be antiquated and technophobic. That is not a horrible thing it is the truth. Plain and simple.
Now, go use some clearsile and let the grownups talk.