BBC Program Examines Video Game Debate in 18th Century Context

January 9, 2007 -
For a highbrow view of the video game debate, check out Jonathan Freedland's The Long View on BBC Radio.

This morning's program contrasts current societal concerns over video games with the historical uproar over Samuel Richardson's 1740 novel, Pamela: Or Virtue Rewarded.

Back then, the literary format of the novel was new. While many found Pamela compelling, others were frightened by the novel's ability to attract, hold and, perhaps, corrupt readers.

Interviewees include Keith Vaz, a Labour MP who has been one of the U.K.'s most outspoken video game critics. 

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First MSM piece on Video Gaming in which people actually knew what they where talking about.

Tiki... in the end deciding if playing video games are better than sports, reading, board games, other pastimes, etc. is a moot point. The whole point of living in a free society is to be able to make your own decisions and to be able to use your time and resources to do what you like so long as you do not impinge on other's ability to do the same.

Therefore, quite frankly if I should decide that I would like to spend my money to immerse myself in a pool of Clorox bleach, despite such an action being incredibly /stupid/, that's my own choice. One being better than another is irrelivent. They're all different forms of entertainment, people will demand different types and different times to fill their desire to be entertained. It's that simple.

never thought I'd say this, but I agree with vaz on something. Not his call for legilastion mind you, but that what is needed is an informed and intelligent debate between parents, gamers, the industry and others to come to an understanding about the this media.

Now if only we could get losers like jack out of the picture, that might actually happen.

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Ahh yes, that movie is a classic. 8)

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He'd just claim that Blank Rome (and the porn industry) is sponsoring BBC. ;)

Not only those who oppose video games but those who support video games are "self-serving demagogues."

Another writer implies that those who oppose video games are "stuck up buttheads." But can the same be said about those who will stick to video games while some new fad replaces it? I think decades from now the real "stuck up buttheads" will be the old geezers who will look back at the "good ole days" when people still played video games.

This argument is similar to issue concerning Hollywood movies and rock music: they are all sold by multi-billion dollar industries, consumers will naturally support them, and anyone who challenges both is a "nut." Given such a situation, how can any balanced discussion take place?

There have been similar arguments in favor of video games, but none of them have been questioned. For example, some argue that video games make surgeons perform better. Does that mean that more children should play video games or that only surgeons should play video games? And what kind of games? Virtual surgery software?

Others argue that video games boost the morale of sick children. Are there other activities, in some cases, cheaper than video games, that can do the same?

One writer mentioned that works like _Pamela_ are filth: if that is so, then video games (which are being compared to the novel) should also be considered filth. On the other hand, if the argument is that there is nothing wrong with playing video games because there is nothing wrong with reading _Pamela_, then why play video games? Why not just read _Pamela_? After all, the latter is cheaper, consumes less of the world's resources, and will even encourage people to read.

The same principle applies to any other pro-gamer argument. For example, some argue that people have been playing games, from board games to sports, for centuries, so what is wrong with video games? Indeed, what is wrong with board games and sports such that one will waste resources and replace them with video games?

Another writer implies that like reading, playing video games allows people to get lost in fantasies. If that is bad, then why continue video games? If that is good, then why bother supporting video games? Reading is a lot cheaper and we often hear complaints about youngsters not spending enough time reading.

Finally, one writer argues that the debate should continue. That'd be useless, for large media corporations and their customers have already made up their minds. What needs to be done, for those who are serious about this debate, is to find out how to help those who question video games and are obviously part of the minority challenge the majority.

The problem concerning video games as evil is illogical. Rather, one should find out whether playing video games is better than sports, reading, board games, and other pastimes, and whether reasons given to say that they are better make sense.

Brialliant point. I remember Wired made a small point about novels in the Will Wright issue they had not too long ago. It didn't get into the specifics like this report does in spades. Fascinating.

Let's also not forget Fredric Wertham and the Senate hearings over comic books. I think that's an even more recent witchhunt similar to what Thompson is doing now with videogames.

the bbc uses realplayer? wow- its 1995 all over again. (can't get any sound- not sure why)

God, this is old as freakin' civilization. Videogames, rap, satanism, cults, rock and roll, Elvis's hips, jazz, the freaking WALTZ, novels, paperbacks...anyways the Victorians were stuck up buttheads who didn't like calling chicken LEGS and BREASTS. If you go far enough back I'm sure somebody in ancient days will say that writing is corrupting the children and making them forget oral traditions...oh how terrible.

It is a very thoughtful and "well-mannered" discussion and Keith Vaz raised rational concerns that I would too. Nevertheless, Keith seemed aware of his actions about being seen as a "religious and moral nut" as it would to novels. I agree with Keith Vaz that debate should continue and perhaps peer, not government regulation should be imposed. I haven't seen Jack Thompson behaviours, so I can't make any comparisons... Perhaps they should meet...

Was this around the time of Gutenburg? Because if so, I bet there were parents, doctors, moral groups, and their ilk that wanted to sue, hang, stone, or whatever him for his role in bringing this filth to their child.

A very interesting show, once again the BBC's shows that its continued existence is worthwhile. Anyone think we can send this to Jack Thompson to listen to?

One of my English teachers in highschool actually used to use Pamela as a form of punishment -- he considered it one of the worst books ever written. It always amazes me how so much art supposedly has the ability to seduce the innocent without actually being any good.

My favourite part was the bit about the french doctor warning of the dangers of reading + couches. How children lie motionless for hours, oblivious to the world around them, immersed in this fantasy world. Instead of running about, they read. And at age 20, become "vapours", deprived of a proper education and lacking in the ability to contribute to society. ;)
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the novel’s arrival also coincided with the introduction of the sofa to the nation’s reading rooms giving birth to the first ‘couch potatoes’.

OH noEs! The books are turning children fat and unimaginative because they don't run through the forests anymore, and the books do all the thinking for them! ;)

A well done piece. Puts things in perspective. I remember a line from "Oscar" where Sylvester Stallone's character chastises his daughter for listening to "modern" music (it was a depression-era gangster movie).

It's the music you kids listen to today. Bing Crosby, Cab Calloway! Don't think I haven't heard the lyrics to ''Minnie the Moocher.''
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Excellent piece. I disagree with Keith Vaz's position on more regulation, as I believe more in personal responsibility and limiting government. However, he presented his points calmly and respectfully to the other guests on the show, and encouraged debate to find the ideal solution. I especially liked his comment that he worried history might consider him similar to the anti-rock goofballs, especially considering he's turning 50. Shame at least in the US that the majority of the people opposed to games are self-serving demagogues.

@ Xenos - your point about remembering comic books is well taken. remember that those hearings stunted the possibilities for the medium for more than a generation. The battles being fought in the courts now will define the future possibilities of the medium. I want games to follow the path of the novel rather than the ignominious decline foisted upon the comic art form.

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i think that video games are the best thing that ever happened to earth and it would be completely devastatingly terrible to ever take them away and i think that if anyone ever took them away then the worlds population could go into a universal riot.

concerning the new games halo 3 and grand theft auto four, they are the most amazing games in the world, especially since those pac man and zelda games in the 80s
 
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