GamePolitics has learned that controversial Miami attorney Jack Thompson faces a disciplinary hearing before a referee appointed by the Florida Supreme Court.
The pending judicial review follows a recent recommendation by the Florida Bar that five counts of professional misconduct against Thompson should proceed to the state's high court for action. If the charges are eventually upheld, Thompson could face disciplinary action up to and including disbarment.
Among the counts of misconduct facing Thompson, three are directly related to the activist attorney's ongoing campaign against video game violence. Those counts involve Thompson's participation as plaintiff's attorney in
Strickland vs. Sony, a high-profile lawsuit he brought against several video game industry defendants in Alabama in February, 2005.
In the suit, Thompson represented the families of two Fayette, Alabama police officers and a police dispatcher murdered by an 18-year-old
Grand Theft Auto player in 2003. At the time of his arrest for the killings, Devin Moore reportedly said, "Life is like a video game. You have to die sometime." Moore, subsequently convicted of the murders, now sits on Alabama's Death Row. Thompson was not involved in the criminal case against Moore.
As reported by
GamePolitics in November of 2005,
Alabama Circuit Court Judge James Moore (no relation to Devin), presiding over Thompson's lawsuit against Sony, Rockstar, Take Two, GameStop and Wal-Mart,
revoked Thompson's
Pro Hac Vice (visiting) license to practice law in Alabama, essentially throwing Thompson off the
Strickland case.
In upholding a pair of complaints against Thompson by Judge Moore, the Florida Bar alleges that the outspoken attorney violated numerous professional standards both before and after his
Pro Hac Vice status was revoked in Alabama. Among the misconduct alleged by the Bar is Thompson's assertion that a local Alabama attorney claimed he could fix cases before Judge Moore. Among other documents, the Bar's complaint points to a November 28, 2005 motion filed by Thompson with Judge Moore which says:
It is clear that (Judge Moore), whether the 'fixer' is the reason or whether the 'fixer' has combined with other improper influences to jettison justice in this case, must no longer preside over this case
Also cited is a July, 2006 e-mail allegedly sent by Thompson to Judge Moore, the state Bars of Alabama and Florida as well as an attorney with law firm Blank Rome, which represents the video game industry defendants in the
Strickland case. That e-mail reads:
You're the guy who wants to give (Grand Theft Auto publisher) Take-Two my scalp. You chose to believe people that you knew were thieves and liars, and now you are their useful SLAPP Bar complainant... These are your corporate criminal buddies, Judge Moore. These are the folks with whom you made your bed, the folks whom your good friend said he could fix the case.
A third count to be considered by the Supreme Court involves a complaint made by Blank Rome, Thompson's opposing counsel in the
Strickland case. Among its numerous allegations is a charge that Thompson directly contacted Take Two CEO Paul Eibeler. Included in this count is a December, 2005 message, allegedly sent from Thompson to Eibeler which reads:
Maybe the absolutely dumbest you did was hire Philadelphia's Blank Rome as your law firm of choice to represent you in courtrooms... Blank Rome, also very importantly, managed to lose all motions to dismiss our wrongful death suit in Alabama... We expect to try this case in 2006. We expect to take at that trial every single penny Take-Two currently has.
The two remaining counts alleged by the Florida Bar relate to Thompson's professional conduct in relation to his ongoing battle against the airing of shock radio in South Florida.
Asked to comment by
GamePolitics, Thompson said:
A referee is appointed and we have a trial. The Supreme Court reviews it later. The trial isn't going to happen, however. I have sued The Bar in Circuit Court. It's in far more trouble than I am.
Thompson declined GP's request to share a copy of the current lawsuit against the Florida Bar. However, an earlier federal suit filed by Thompson against the Bar in October of 2006 was dismissed by U.S. District Court Judge Paul Huck in late December. In ruling against Thompson's suit versus the Bar, Judge Huck wrote:
Thompson submits nothing beyond wild accusations of a vast conspiracy against him that the Bar is unfairly proceeding against him.
It is unclear at this point when a hearing on the Bar's allegations may take place.
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Now, to those of you stating that jack will find away out of this, I doubt it.
Do not forget, this is not some circuit court, this is the Supreme, and not even jack can bully them without bringing the force of the entire legal system against him. You don't screw with the Supreme court.
Secondly, Disbarrment is not only likely, it might be the only punishment that fits the crime so to speak, at this point, he's proven that censure, warning, and other less severe forms of punishment mean nothing to him. So, at this point, the Supreme court might have no choice but to put and end to his career once and for all.
Ahh, finally, after years of advocating it, ti's finally happening, jack thompsons being dished out the same legal attacks he loved to dish out.
How's it feel Jack? Hows all that crow taste? Bitter aint it?
In what world could you have ever BEATEN us?
The Florida Supreme court is having a disciplinary hearing on Jack Thompson following a recommendation by the the Florida Bar which could lead to him loosing his license to practice law. Could this be the beginning of the end for Jack Thompson?...
It's good to remember things like these, because it builds a stronger character case against him. As much as JT has a habit of making grandly offensive proclamations about his critics - which I can say this since it's an undisputed fact, as his constant insults are childish and beneath his station - this is the proper way to deal with his self-marketing campaign. You have to paint a clear picture of who he is and how he treats people who prior to listening to him have been unprovoked.
:p
But it would be worth it.
Methinks its time to start a new Deadpool on Thompson's career - I had run one on my old blog (OLD blog), but I might just be time to start up a new one. I'll see what I can do to find a good method so I don't have to manually write up each entry.
Oh please somebody say he has tape recorded conversations where he discusses all the people who are conspiring against him in a Nixon-esque way! I would buy that before "In harm's way II: even harmer".
Let me dig up that letter real quick.
What gets me is the last line though. "Thompson submits nothing beyond wild accusations of a vast conspiracy against him that the Bar is unfairly proceeding against him."
To my knowledge, Jack's been making wild accusations of vast conspiracies for a while again a lot of folks, not just the Bar. Lets see, there's the ESRB, that Utah A.G., Tycho and Gabe, Scott from VG Cats, normal video game fans, and a lot of other folks. So... hey, this is nothing new. Haha. I hope this means we're seeing Disbarment proceedings now.
Jack Thompson is always right.
Jack Thompson is fighting evil corporations.
Therefore
Anyone who disagrees with Jack Thompson has been corrupted by the evil corporations.
What more proof do you need?
As for JT getting disbarred, I don't think it'll happen. The universe has a notorious track record for being unfair.
Still I doubt this'll be pleasant for him. I don't think courts particularly like lawyers who accuse judges of being for sale just because the judge came down against them about something.
"I’m not confident that he will be disbarred."
Nor am I. It should be a sure thing, given Thompson's often inappropriate, unprofessional, and even unethical conduct, but I'll wait to see how this plays out before getting too excited. He seems to have a knack for weaseling his way out of responsibility. Maybe this time he'll actually be held accountable.
@Brokenscope
Planning a trip to the courtroom? ;)
Bring a video camera. For, you know... posterity.
On the other hand, racking up this many complaints in what? About 2 years? Even if he's spared disbarment, this is likely going to hurt.
Ironically, I expect that if he doesn't get barred what they do to him in staid will anger him to the point that his attacks become even wilder, thus making him more likely to be disbarred in the future.
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Although, when everything crashes and breaks, we should respect him as our years-long rival, even if he fails to do so.
In the recent case of John Bruce trying to prevent Bully from being distributed, didn't the judge, at the time, state he was filing a complaint with the Florida Bar? Are those complaints to be handled seperately or will they also be handled by this "referee".
And, frankly, it seems rather appropriate for a "referee" to handle this part. Makes it truly sound like... well, a game. Though I suspect John Bruce is thinking that irony sucks right about now. :)
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I knew that eventually he'd getenough complaints against him that sooner or later the Flordia Bar would be forced to deal with him. I'm surprised it took them this long.
I have to agree with Brainswarm, though. Even if he's disbarred, he won't go away completely. I can see him becoming some sort of traveling minister or something, speaking at various churches and continuing to rail against games ow whatever else in pop cutlure he deems "evil."
At least the good news would be that stripped of his license, he could no longer abuse his profession and flaunt his authority to bring forth frivolous lawsuits and otherwise use the law like a blunt instrument.
"Thompson submits nothing beyond wild accusations of a vast conspiracy against him that the Bar is unfairly proceeding against him."
I don't know where Jack gets all these crazy ideas. It has never occurred to him that his Florida Bar problems are due to his conduct. He's convinced they're just "out to get him". And Blank Rome is out to get him. And Take Two. Is he going to get disbarred? Maybe he'll get let off easy this time, but if he doesn't change his ways (and he won't) I know something will happen to him.
OWNED!
Thompson's world is about to crumble. Not sure how much of it will fall, but its very dependent on the fiasco we see here. Thompson is using his power like a child now. He is in way over his head. This entire time we've heard of him, he fits the same symptoms of a senile man. I'm no doctor, but I'm sure of it.
The media feeds him way too much. He's the hungry hungry hippo of the media.
*Chomp*
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Let us not forget the 50's were when people let idiots like Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover run wild.
If Jack truly were trying to bring 'family values' back to America, he would start complaining about something other than Rockstar and Howard Stern. Almost every game he ever complains about is made by Rockstar. Only exceptions I can think of are Halo, Doom, and Killer7.
Maybe Jack needs to have a chat with Brent Bozell? I'm sure he'd love to censor.
But i just do not go and watch it. And i don't belittle the people who do enjoy it.
Explain to us how 'violent' video games are murder simulators. Please provide detailed examples on how it is done.
I'd also like to know what are these 'Family Values' you speak of. please provide a detailed explanation
Thank you.
If we don't need this "crap" in our countries, then we don't need violent films, or music, or literature as well, oy. I, as well as many/all of these commentators on this blog are what foolish, ignorant, money-grubbing greed hog conservatives (a.k.a. facists, Nazis and Right-Wingers) play violent video games oy. I beg to differ oy.Out of all the millions of people in America who play Doom, GTA, or Counter Strike, how many do you think went on to go killing people, huh? In fact, in 2005, a police report states that violent crimes among youths have in fact declined quite a bit. Compare that to the '50s when there were "family values", oy. I bet "family values" also means to you there would have been no civil rights movement, oy. You know what, go read the graphic novel V for Vendetta, or its movie counterpart, as well as South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut and you might just learn something, oy.
Violence didn’t start with Pac Man.
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Yup. If videogames affected children, our generation would all be listening to bleepy electronic music whilst eating strange 'power pills'
oh wai......
Anyways, how soon should this Supreme Court case take place anyways? I'd like to sit and wait for the demise of his crusade.
Jack made his bed, now he has to get disbarred.
IIRC, possible other punishments for Jack out of this are nothing (if he gets off), censure (a formal reprimand), or a fine.
Possibly a limited suspension, but short of permanent disbarment might be a possibility as well.
http://gamepolitics.com/comments-policy/
(I haven't been able to visit this site within the past few months, took quite some time to catch up on previous articles).
In short, Jack's verbal diarrhea comes back on him yet again. No help for you, Jack. Not yours.
Sure, the guys a jerk and a pain in the neck, but I really wouldn't want anything like that to happen to him. I suspect the Florida Bar association would see things the same way. They have a range of measures at their disposal.
failed bills and trying to get them passed into law.
As I'm sure politicians will see the disbarrment,
even if they don't see the trail of failure and bitter
resentment in Jack's wake.
But still, it wont stop him from speaking out. In fact
it may increase it, due to him having less to lose.
The worst case is that jack will still preach his anti-gamer
propaganda, but the law writing will be left to the less
inept lawyers.
I hope he doesn't get disbarred, I prefer to have an enemy
who has done nothing but hand out victories. I mean look at
all this legal precedent we have thanks to Jack. How many states
have a bitter taste in thier mouths and their wallets when they
tried video game laws? Once bitten, twice shy.
-Twixn-
Ha, "poor" Thompson, TAKE THAT!
It's good that in the end Thompson is being brought to justice. And he's brought to justice by his own group, the Florida Bar. How ironic can you get it. Let's hope, for once and for all, Thompson learns a big lesson from this whole case. You can't hide, nor run for as it is, the things you do, you take responsibility for them yourself, the consequences are up to you entirely. Feel the power of common sense and ehtics. But most of all, feel the power of Justice.
So all thats really left is the trash he spouts constantly which really has no impact at all. I mean hell if ya'll are gamers I'm sure you have come across people just as bad in gaming forums...the ragers and so on....Thats all Jack is. He tries to drive his "enemies" into a rage and then sits back and laughs. That is what he is trying to do with the Florida bar right now and that is what he was doing in that letter quoted above.
Fred Phelps was once a lawyer, and he got disbarred by his state (Kansas I believe)... but could still practice law until he was later disbarred federally.
Is this the case for Thompson as well (given that he does seem to be active in multiple states), or does disbarment mean he's done as a lawyer?
And his last case against the Bar, rejected as "wild accusations of a conspiracy theory", was filed only about 3 months ago and he's filing another one?
http://kotaku.com/gaming/harassment/the-definition-of-harassment-234268....
Close. It's 'vae victus.' For anyone that doesn't know, it means "woe to the conquered."
Jack knows he's done bad now. Nothing could be further from the truth...But, maybe if we pitched in our own experiences with this tyrant...(If you had any, that is,) that would've put him in a tad more trouble, but, who keepin count?
Jack could be Disbarred, but, if he does stay in, he won't be too active for long...They'll probably keep him on a watch list for awhile, just to make sure he doesn't split and go crusading again...For all our sakes, lets just hope he gets booted out of the BAR.
When he's disbarred, I can see him screaming in the courtroom over and over, "Forgive them for they know not what they do".
Repensum est Canicula, pure genius. Belongs along side vie victus (spelling?) from the first legacy of Kain game.
http://www.jack.thompson.justgotowned.com/
Disbar him already!
Is that the sound of Crybaby Jack's time as lawyer running out?
I hope so. I've been waiting for this...
JT had BETTER be disbarred. After taking into account his acts of immature, irresponsible behavior, I'd be vastly shocked if he still has a job after this. Good luck surviving the Florida Supreme Court, Thompson.
@RabidCheeseMonkey...
Wouldn't "Hit the Road, Jack" be a much more appropriate song? We are talking about a man named Jack, after all.
If they are smart, and jack is disbarred, then the moment the media starts quoting him as an expert, the industry will own there asses. A disbarred and disgraced attorney being refered to as an expert attacking the industry falls well within ther relm of slander/defamtion.
I think that the best thing to come out of this is that jack will have to back off to avoid disbarment. If he doesn't, it could end his career permantly ,cause the moment he's disbarred, every single case he's involved in crumbles with it. Think about it, the primary fiqure behind a legal case suddenly losing his license, it's legal death infront of a judge.
I still think he's toast, and that his license will be sent through the paper shreeder, but we'll see.
I also think disbarrment is likely because for the first time there's actually a pretty strong case against him. The main reason why he got away with it in the past was because most of the time it was an isolated incident here and there. Now we have a clear pattern of professional misconduct. Also, it's gotten to the point that there's been so many complaints against him and he's become so high-profile of late (due in part to his own machinations) that he's pretty much made an...er..."public nuiscance" of himself that can no longer be ignored. It's like I figured; given enough time and complaints, sooner or later the bar would have been forced to take major action. Now we're finally seeing it. The karmic chickens are coming home to roost.
And like others have said this will be a serious blow to his credibility (not that the Bully case already helped in a big way to that as well). In closing, "Repensum est Canicula." (Payback is a bitch)
Hmm. There seems to be an interesting split between those who think he won't be disbarred and those who think he will. I'm all for starting a pool! Who wants in?
Just wanted to do a quick post on this. According to Game Politics everyone’s favorite Florida ambulance chaser, Jack Thompson, is facing a disciplinary hearing before the Florida Supreme Court. As usual Thompson is completely delusional…
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It is kind of funny that he thinks that people are out to get him. Reason being - Everybody is!
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"If at first you don't suceed, kick it and get out the instruction manual"
It would rather nice to read the word "Former attorney" when news media and such refer to Jack. Not to mention being disbarred would put some kink in Jack's credibility. I mean, most poeple get reconized as "experts" who also professionals in a certain Field, whether it be an attorney, a professor, a psycologist or what-not... That professionalism in a certain field is what gives those experts their credibility, especially in the eyes of the ignorant (politicans) who know nothing about the experts or the issues they speak of. Disbarment and not being able to call himself an attorney would greatly tarnish his credibility....
Unfortunatly, i have doubts that he will be disbarred since Jack has been able to avoid it for a rather long time, and will probably somehow slip out of this one... And Unfortunatly, Ignorant Politicians and news media don't do much background checking on their "experts" and will probably overlook the fact that he's come so damn close to being disbarred, and thus will give him the same level of credibility that they have always given to him.
Regardless, it seems Jack is having a "Backdraft" moment... "You see that flash of light in the corner of your eye? That's your career dissipation light. It just went into high gear."
"you have no chance to survive, make your time"
I love his quote about how the Florida Bar is in more trouble than he is. Because you know, when Jack Thompson sues somebody, they're going down for SURE, right? Loser.
Always thought that was funny. Considering that Penny Arcade isn't located within Seattle Jurisdiction.
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JT has ruined this issue for all sides involved, and a lot of people are sick of him turning it into a circus.
Had he been winning all his cases then I'd gladly see him go, this just wasn't the case.
The ruling against Jack Thompson should be to have his mouth sown shut.
“The complaints have nothing whatsoever to do with protecting the public from an unethical attorney. I am trying to protect the public from unethical companies who use the tactics of the Mafia to try to destroy a whistleblower.”
“The Bar is fully cooperative with this SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation) endeavor, in violation of state and federal law. That is why I have sued The Bar in state court, and that is why I shall win.”
Yeah, great idea. Sue the bar while you're being investigated for possible disbarrment...
"In 1990, after his election loss, Thompson began a campaign against the efforts of Switchboard of Miami, a social services group of which Reno was a board member. Thompson charged that the group placed “homosexual-education tapes” in public schools. Switchboard responded by getting the Florida Supreme Court to order that he submit to a psychiatric examination. Thompson did so and passed, and since then has stated on more than one occasion that he is “the only officially certified sane lawyer in the entire state of Florida.""
Anyways Jack has faced the the Florida Supreme Court before, so don't get your hopes too high.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_%28attorney%29#The_Florida_Ba...
Please don't go there and vandalize the page there are many of us who work to keep it balanced and well written, and correcting vandalism just takes up people's time.
"Game Over Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!"
"Jack Thompson is just trying to bring back family values"
Since when have lying, slander and threatening behaviour been family values? You would be happy to have this "crap" removed from your country, even if it had to be done through blatant lies?
Regarding "murder simulators for terrorists"? Play Grand Theft Auto for several hours, then ask yourself how well trained to carry out a terrorist attack you are. What's that? You haven't been trained at all? You now possess the knowledge that L! and R1 select your weapons, X is shoot and the left analogue stick moves you around, but how exactly does that enable you to operate a firearm in real life?
The only thing that ever gave jack and claim to being and Expert was his legal status, take that away, and the industry could take him out of the loop instantly. Any one who puts him up as an "expert" would instantly make themselves a target for slander suits cause he has no legal or academic claim to being an expert. It would be like if I claimed to be an expert on foriegn policy, something I have no legal or academic claim to. While it would not be an easily winable case, the prospect of fighting that battle every time they put him on the air would rapidly force the MSM to stop doing so.
In truth, the industry could have Owned thompsons ass years ago, especialy due to his attacks against Doug Lowenstien. By ignoring him as they did, they let his voice be the loudest at the debate table. Now, they finally will be able to silence that voice.
This is jacks end, regardless of the outcome, any chance he ever had of being a force in the debate will be lost cause of this.
That, and it also would make it harder for him to wage legal battles. And it'd make it harder for him to be any sort of witness in court, as without his Lawyer status he's really just a guy with a very vocal opinion - to be named an expert in court you need to have credentials that MAKE you an expert.
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I can only hope he meant something slightly less offensive, but then again I'm already doubting the intelligence and humanity of my own community.
I had to disagree. Normally I would ignore that kind of comments, but I guess human ignorance knows no bounds and I think that enough is enough. You ask what kind of sickos play that game, I tell you who they are, John Muhammad for example, he is a terrorist and killer teens like Michael Carneal, Dustin Lynch and others out there who might be killers.
To be helpful and honest, Jack Thompson did nothing to help the families and communities but now he is a enemy and a threat to our gaming world, culture and world communities. Guess what Jack does? He uses deaths and worse, dead bodies to get money and get media attention to surround the gaming industry, hoping it will tumble down and fall into pieces, I tell you, this will not happen if gamers can unite with each other and stand against them.
And concerned parent, it's time to be smart and wise up, we are living in hard times and there is nothing we can do to change it. Our human efforts of making this world peaceful is futile, banning violent games won't solve any violent issues at all and the best thing to stop violence from spiralling into the worst issues is to do nothing at all. So, give up your thoughts of making this world non-violent, there are violence everywhere in this world. Don't look back to the past, move forward to the present. Live and cherish everyday as your life.
The warning on all video games should be that Subliminal Distraction will cause mental breaks if there is repeating detectable movement in peripheral vision while the game is played on a computer.
Game manufacturers failed to warn users of a simple problem discovered over forty years ago when it caused mental breaks for office workers.
Not really. The judges can't be expected to know everything.
"Honestly, I think disbarment will simply make Thompson a martyr to his cause."
Not really. He'll call himself one at least.
"Genuinely competent counsel would tell him that his suits are baseless and that he should stop wasting his wife’s money."
HAH!!!! I would love to hear about that.
Jack Thompson screams "paranoid schizophrenia" to me. Delusions of persecution at the end of that article seem apparent enough, and though it's not directly possible to prove delusions of grandeur in that article, the motivations behind his anti-video game violence could very well be just that.
It's disturbing because my birth mom acts the same way.
Jacks crusade, his media coverage, his very ability to attack the industry was predicated on the fact that he was a lawyer, and therefore had a certian amount of authority and legal ability. Stipping him fo that would make him not only less credible, but instantly vulnerable. Up till now, he's always fought his own battles, meaning he never had to spend money on a lawyer to do it for him. Up till now, he's always been able to bring the cases against the industry himself. Loosing his license would end that. Not only would the media no longer touch him due to the danger of legal reprisal from the industry, but no lawyer with any real legal skill would work with him.
This supreme court case, regardless of the result, will give the industry what it needed against this man. Now, any case he wants to bring, he'll be forced to show the judge the bar complaints, his supreme court hearing, all of it. It's legal death before a judge.
Regardless of the result, this supreme court hearing will label jack a misfit and crackpot, and in the end will do so much damage to his credibility that his career would be over anyway.
@Concerned parent
Hmm, interesting. You use the exact same terms, arguement, and fearful approach JT himself does. Ignoring that odd similarity for a minute, here is a history lesson for you. In the 1950's, along with MacArthy's (sp?) red scare tactics, there was someone (not sure who) who had a fit about comic books, saying they were a "seduction of the innocent." Utterly blaming them and attacking them at every which angle, no matter how stupid it was. This style of attack against expression sound familiar? I frankly find the similarites ironic given that JT has compared himself to Batman (who, if my friends memory serves, had his comic censored the hardest compared to its former content when the comics code was initiated). That aside, in the 1970's it was cartoon violence (to quote the guy who made He-Man "the reason... ...was that there was such strict standards on things like violence that there was no way to compete, so we had to settle for (what was there)"). In the 1980's (70's too I think), it was Rock music. In the 90's (when the 'jack attack' started and what it was against) it was Rap music. Now, with that in mind, how many of ANY of these things lead to the catastrophic harm to children that those who preach against such things seem to consistantly believe will occur.
Another point about GTA (the posterchild for everything Jack stands against). As a reasonably sane, intelligent 25 year old male; I would speculate that part of the reason for its appeal is (apart from its excellent gameplay engine and memorable characters) that people know the difference between reality and a game like your words seem to imply that they don't. They know that they can't do that stuff in real life, so they'll do it in a realitvely consequence free virtual environment, knowing that it is just that, and with no real reprecussions. They KNOW reality is not like that. On the logic that you claim to be protecting children, trying to attack Rockstar for a game they made is like trying to attack Paramount or whoever for any Rated R movies they made. "My child snuck in to a theatre and saw your movie, its your fault for making it, despite the fact that it was clearly not intended for him in its rating and marketing approach and he saw it without paying or anyone otherwise aware he was in there, its clearly your fault, who cares about logic and fact, I have angry self righteous conviction and a desire to avert blame from myself on my side, thats true justice!" .
Sorry for rambling, its a bad habbit of mine.
Genuinely competent counsel would tell him that his suits are baseless and that he should stop wasting his wife's money.
@Concerned Parent
If you really are a parent, and not just some 'mook' as some of us presume, I have really got to applaud you for brazenly walking into one of these comment sections with your idea of "I'm right, so these guys must be wrong." However, I'd like to point out you're making a complete fool of yourself the instant you start spouting words like 'sicko', 'crap', and everyone's favorite misinformation term 'Murder Simulator'. I don't know what garbage you've been watching and calling 'news' on videogames, but you're in serious need of an education.
If you're serious about learning a few things, I'd encourage you to contact me at AgnostoTheo85@yahoo.com. If you're just going to assault me and the rest of the gamer community by tossing around insults, then don't bother. I don't have the patience for idiots.
Concerned parent is either a) a random mook who is neither concerned nor a parent who just wanted to get a rise out of the regulars; or, b) someone who thinks they are a concerned parent and who is venturing into the lion's den to try to argue his/her point.
Should the latter be true, I would question whether such statements rise out of concern or out of a need to push a narrow-minded, conservative, possibly religious agenda on others - which isn't concern, it's agenda-pushing, and I'd ask you to at least understand that everyone in the world is obligated to see the world the same way you do.
But, concerned parent, if you are indeed a concerned parent and are actually reading this, I'd ask you to at least voice your opinion somewhat more thoughtfully. You're stepping on enemy territory to argue an opposing viewpoint against (in my findings) one of the more educated discussion boards out there. If you want to be a concerned parent (and not sound like the forum troll I'm mistaking you for) you'll need to do better than "murder simulators", "we don't need this crap", and all the inflammatory rhetoric. Most of it's already been thoroughly debunked here, so you'll have to do better if you want to have any sort of meaningful contribution.
(On a side note, I've toyed with the concept of numbering certain responses to posts so that, whenever politicians or leaders rail against gaming, we're spared the thirty identical posts of why their actions are silly. Instead of thirty "Video games are too protected speech and have court rulings to that effect, etc, etc,", we can have thirty "Hey guys, S.R.#1, go Bears."
Should this catch on, I'll start by proposing the following Standard Responses (S.R.'s):
S.R.#1: Video games are free speech, and the courts have upheld it as such.
S.R.#2: There is no conclusive research that video game playing leads to violent or antisocial behavior.
S.R.#2.1: The APA found that violent media has a positive correllation with aggressive behavior - this does not mean that video games cause violent behavior, as it could apply to all media and the link was of correllation, not causation.
S.R.#3: Video games are just another cultural whipping boy, much like comic books, rock music, Elvis Pressley, gangster rap, and other media staples before them.
S.R.#4: The ESRB is not a sham.
S.R.#5: The most vocal opponents of video games base their actions not on facts, actual benefits, or constitutionality, but on inflammatory rhetoric, political games, and emotional appeals such as "It's for the children!")
I'd recommend not commenting unless you know what you're talking about in the future. The "murder simulator" terminology was something Jack Thompson pulled out of his arse in a futile attempt to stop the sale of the GTA Series. Like the vast majority of JTs "work", it was based on a complete and utter lack of knowledge of the product in question, coupled with JTs preconceived prejudices against the product.
Jack Thompson has never offered any conclusive evidence to support his claims against games such as GTA or Bully. There has never been any corroboration from a psychologist, sociologist, or other professional to support his claims. However, there have been plenty of papers published that directly refute Thompson's claims.
The bigger issue is Thompson's repeated and willful abuse of his power as an attorney. First he gets his temporary license to practice in Alabama pulled because of judicial misconduct (including communications with the presiding judge), then he goes so far as to contact Take Two directly, without even notifying defense counsel as is required, and sends what constitutes a threatening email.
The reason Jack Thompson needs to be shut down is because he's dangerous. He has no regard for the truth (as evidenced by his outrageous claims), and he has no regard for the judicial process, as evidenced by his numerous breaches if judicial conduct. I hope that he gets disbarred, because he gives the bad lawyers an even worse name. He makes the ambulance chasers look like saints.
That said, he has to be disbarred. He is a disgrace to his profession. And he's a *lawyer*, already not the most highly respected of professions.
Some people loves a bad-a**, but this guy cannot be loved or even like by anyone...not even his own dog
Disbarred, he will probably be more of a nuisance than ever before. Filing complaints pro se in any jurisdiction he pleases, without the requirements of bar membership. Not to mention the talk radio circuit and unending book deals. His base already hates lawyers and his disbarment will affirm their convictions, and make him more of the hero/martyr.
Of course, he should by all means be disbarred. He has put his own interests and agendas above his clients' and broken at least eight (by my count) rules of professional conduct in the actions listed in the article. I just don't think it will change anything.
First of all you don't know jack, he has exploited tradgedies for his own gain he has made of fun of a gamer's suicide and other things. But that's beside the point.
You asked what kind of sickos play GTA? Wel apparently a lot more people than you think because it sold over 5.1 million copies and was the top selling game of 2004
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/gta4/news.html?sid=6116499&mode=news
i may also like to point out the succsess of fight club
One the plus side, he won't be able to constantly threaten people with litigation, since he'll have to hire counsel, not act on his own behalf. If it costs him legal fees every time he wants to throw legal weight around, I suspect that he'll need to focus his energy on targets with deep pockets.
I recall him saying that he would not be thwarted even if he lost his legal career. He'd probably just find another patsy of an attorney to run his cases through, and this time would be free of the Bar's oversight.
The PTC, NIMF, ect...all very conservative groups.
Of course, saying all Republicans are like that is like saying all Democrats are like Hillary.
What? Are you really that gullible to think that is what JT is after? Have you even seen half the stuff he has said and done? When you actually do, come back to me and say that again.
You say we're sickos for playing these violent games when I'd have to say you are a sicko of sorts for thinking that it's perfectly OK for one party or even yourself to judge what's good for everyone else. Is Jack Thompson or the government my mother? That answer is simply no.
As for saying they are murder simulators for terrorists that just goes along the age-old technophobic mentality of blaming mostly a device for something and not the idiots that misuse it for their own evil purposes. Even if we did get rid of games and thus get rid of these supposed murder simulators, do you think that would stop the terrorists actions and they wouldn't find something else to train on? What good would it do to get rid of them?
Wait a second... This person sounds a little like JT himself. Not to make assumptions, but could somebody double-check to see if it is him?
Tye, did you seriously just compare Republicans to Nazis and Facists?
Way to be a judgemental prick.
I meant to say this in my other comment but for some reason it submitted before I was done typing so please pretend they are both just one post.
What right do you have to call us sickos just because we like to play violent video games? If you call us sickos then you must also call every boxing, wrestling, hockey and football fan in the universe sickos since being a fan of real violence must certaintly be more psychotic than being a fan of fake violence right?
"They’re dangerous, they could be used as murder simulators for terrorists."
Riiiiiight just like Risk could be used as a simulator for taking over the world by a madman.
The fact is GTA makes a very bad murder simulator, as you put it, for one thing you can be shot over 10 times in the chest and will not only survive but you won't even be slowed down by the injury, the same can also be said for being lit on fire and getting in a 90+ mph head on car or motorcycle crash. There is also the fact that cars blow up by shooting the gas tank (which if you ever watch mythbusters you should know doesn't happen) and that planes seem to light on fire and blow up when their wing hits a tree. I also fail to see how any video game can be a murder simulator since holding a controller is a lot different than firing a gun.
You say thomspon preaches family values, so what not everyone has a family and not everyone is entertained by kiddie movies. GTA is not for kids and is not aimed at kids for one thing it mimics (and mocks) gang culture which most kids do not understand. It was people promoting family values who tried to ban tom sawyer, and rock and roll.
Just because you don't like something or think you're 5 year old should not see it is no justification to try to ban from the millions of people in this country that like it no matter how you look at it.
Nah, violence started when Kain slew Abel in the bible, or so Thompson's religion has him believe and yet it our generation's fault, two thousand years later, for violence.
Finally, that raving lunatic will be punished!
*starts dancing*
It's a predictable end, but I'm rather surprised... Does he really thing filing suit against the Florida Bar is going to help him when he's under review from them?
"Ever mind the rule of three. What dost gives out comes back to thee."
Jacky-boy was very immature, despite his high position. In return, he risks losing his only license left.
Mind if I do my happy-dance?
*dances*
Get a job you damned hippy, Jesus!
Phage.
Wow, with all the terrible random violence and death in the world, why can't this worm catch some stray bullets, instead of some innocent students who could have had something worthwile to contribute to society.
Oh well, you never know, there are after all six million ways to die.
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Im writing beacuse i want to know if there is a sofware to prevent my losing hearing whan i play games on line..
Ive been playing this game for almos 2 years, playing it 3 o 5 times during the week, im studying to become a pilot as well, well i really like to know what software can i download of if somebody know any program which i could get to install on my laptop to prevent this noise when im shooting my weapon.
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