In L.A., Students Debate Game Violence, 1st Amendment, Super Columbine RPG
In L.A., Students Debate Game Violence, 1st Amendment, Super Columbine RPG
February 13, 2007
Students of Loyola-Marymount University will debate First Amendment issues and video game violence tonight in Los Angeles.The event is part of the school newspaper's First Amendment Week. Beginning at 4:00 P.M. participants will have an opportunity to try Super Columbine Massacre RPG, the controversial indie game project created by Colorado filmmaker Danny Ledonne (left).
Ledonne will speak at 7:00 P.M.
SCMRPG is almost certainly the most controversial amateur game ever released. As has been reported by GamePolitics and elsewhere, the game has been accused of inspiring Dawson College shooter Kimveer Gill's September, 2006 rampage. More recently, SCMRPG made headlines when it was removed from from the Slamdance Guerilla Games competition by the event's organizer.
GP: Thanks to correspondent Colin "Jabrwock" McInnes for the tip!
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Posted 07/04/09 at 09:24pm
PHX Corp: For those that want to know what i watching it's called man vs cartoon(a.k.a fixing Wile E. coyote's Mistakes one trap at a time by EMERTEC)
PHX Corp: For those that want to know what i watching it's called man vs cartoon(a.k.a fixing Wile E. coyote's Mistakes one trap at a time by EMERTEC)
Posted 07/04/09 at 08:20pm
GoodRobotUs: Went out for my Mum's 65th Birthday, which is the only relevance 4/7 has in the UK for me ;)
GoodRobotUs: Went out for my Mum's 65th Birthday, which is the only relevance 4/7 has in the UK for me ;)
Posted 07/04/09 at 08:18pm
Andrew Eisen: Beach + fireworks + root beer + strawberries, blackberries, raspberries, whipped topping, and pound cake = my Fourth of July!
Andrew Eisen: Beach + fireworks + root beer + strawberries, blackberries, raspberries, whipped topping, and pound cake = my Fourth of July!
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:58pm
GoodRobotUs: Which seems to be the only point Jack proved, that some people find some games offensive. i.e. Nothing.
GoodRobotUs: Which seems to be the only point Jack proved, that some people find some games offensive. i.e. Nothing.
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:57pm
GoodRobotUs: The discussion was supposed to be whether games were dangerous not 'Do you find some games offensive'...
GoodRobotUs: The discussion was supposed to be whether games were dangerous not 'Do you find some games offensive'...
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:55pm
GoodRobotUs: Some agreed, some didn't, but it was their choice to make, not the governments.
GoodRobotUs: Some agreed, some didn't, but it was their choice to make, not the governments.
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:55pm
GoodRobotUs: By asking the audience their opinion, he more or less proved that it's a matter of personal choice
GoodRobotUs: By asking the audience their opinion, he more or less proved that it's a matter of personal choice
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:55pm
GoodRobotUs: Meh, he ended proving Mark's point for him
GoodRobotUs: Meh, he ended proving Mark's point for him
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:26pm
Erik: Jack if you are reading this you are a LIAR. There is no legal weight to the MPAA's ratings.
Erik: Jack if you are reading this you are a LIAR. There is no legal weight to the MPAA's ratings.
Posted 07/04/09 at 07:24pm
JDKJ: I still think my buddy the midget who rides a unicycle backwards while juggling four bowling pins would have been a much bigger hit with that crowd. And he can make up statistics and misinterpret studies, too.
JDKJ: I still think my buddy the midget who rides a unicycle backwards while juggling four bowling pins would have been a much bigger hit with that crowd. And he can make up statistics and misinterpret studies, too.
Posted 07/04/09 at 06:33pm
Alyric: Of course, Mark falls into the common trap about Columbine, which had nothing to do with bullying, etc. See: http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203/?GT1=3256 for a more thorough explanation.
Alyric: Of course, Mark falls into the common trap about Columbine, which had nothing to do with bullying, etc. See: http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203/?GT1=3256 for a more thorough explanation.
Posted 07/04/09 at 06:32pm
PHX Corp: Read this http://www.destructoid.com/sgc-09-liveblogging-the-jack-thompson-debate-138502.phtml#ext
PHX Corp: Read this http://www.destructoid.com/sgc-09-liveblogging-the-jack-thompson-debate-138502.phtml#ext
Posted 07/04/09 at 05:54pm
PHX Corp: JT is afraid of such ban then advocates it That's what i call a total Hypocrite
PHX Corp: JT is afraid of such ban then advocates it That's what i call a total Hypocrite
Posted 07/04/09 at 05:50pm
PHX Corp: AE: JT is a -Bleeping- Jackass
PHX Corp: AE: JT is a -Bleeping- Jackass
Posted 07/04/09 at 05:07pm
Andrew Eisen: JT "knew it would be a good audience." Not what he said on Tuesday.
Andrew Eisen: JT "knew it would be a good audience." Not what he said on Tuesday.
Posted 07/04/09 at 05:01pm
Andrew Eisen: VG cause violent behavior. VG companies influence behavior to get sales. Yeah, that makes sense. (To be fair, the Twitter feed makes deciphering JT's point pretty tough.)
Andrew Eisen: VG cause violent behavior. VG companies influence behavior to get sales. Yeah, that makes sense. (To be fair, the Twitter feed makes deciphering JT's point pretty tough.)
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:52pm
Andrew Eisen: Yes, it's been proposed but as far as I know it has not been passed. Big difference.
Andrew Eisen: Yes, it's been proposed but as far as I know it has not been passed. Big difference.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:50pm
Cheater87: http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/formats/xbox360/all-violent-video-games-be-banned-in-germany-$1301757.htm
Cheater87: http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/formats/xbox360/all-violent-video-games-be-banned-in-germany-$1301757.htm
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:49pm
Andrew Eisen: Far as I know, Germany has not banned all violent video games.
Andrew Eisen: Far as I know, Germany has not banned all violent video games.
Posted 07/04/09 at 04:44pm
Cheater87: Jack wants the US to follow Germany's total video game ban.
Cheater87: Jack wants the US to follow Germany's total video game ban.
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I'm not exactly clear when this game violence debate will happen...from the article it just sounds like people will get to play the game and then listen to DL speak.
I don't think they'll be debating SCMRPG (there might be a Q&A after they hera Ledonne speak though), but there are debates during the rest of the week on other 1st Amend related issues in other media.
Heh. So that's why he was going to LA.
Oh. Well, I'm still interested in what LeDonne has to say, especially if people try to grill him afterwards.
Looks like Danny's going Justin Timberlake for his little celebrity appearance. =)
This article sucks and who cares what people want to do online? This game isn't even in stores. These anti-game activists are idiots and they need to grow brains. This game also should have been allowed to contend for an award and it sucks that it was thrown off.
They aren't ALL idiots they either a. don't know what they're talking about or b. they are trying to change what people see as to how they see fit, which is tyrannical at best.
#1: Why did you address that post to me?
#2: What anti-game activists?
#3: If you don't care what people do online, why do you care whether SCMRPG contends for an award or not?
#1: You addressed me in your first post up there.
#2: Anti-game activists are the ones who are against the game.
#3: I think it sucks that it was thrown out for an award because some people complained about it.
I read your post and started laughing for about 10 minutes.
#1 You self centered/abosrbed/whatever ass, The "Danny" he refers to is "Danny Ledonne", the guy pictured at the top of the article who made Super Columbine RPG. Not everything is about you, you have a fairly common name.
#2 This is an article about and event that is ebing held to discuss the first amendment across the line. Anti game activists had little or no mention till you brought them up in your usually fashion.
#3 We had a big thread on that a while back, one where you posted your usual garbage while others tried to have intelligent discourse about the issue. Also welcome to capitalism/America/freedom/democracy/ect a private group has the right to withdraw sponsorship from something they feels does not represent their views, even if we don't like it.
You have no reason to answer this post, so please, don't derail this thread, its going so well, and for once I feel like I can post on topic.
I'm not going to derail this thread, but I thought that he was addressing me because we exchange comments a lot. I know my name is popular and I made a mistake, but I honestly thought he was anticipating that I was going to slam the people who are against SCMRPG. I screwed up and got confused. My bad.
"Go get ‘em, Danny. From the Loyola article, it looks like there’s at least one uninformed person who needs to be set straight about your game already."
#1: I can see how you got confused, what with that controversial game you invented that's been in the news recently.
#2: I know what an anti-game activist is, thanks Professor.
#3: So I guess you do care what people do online, after all.
Okay, I misread it. When I see the name Daniel or Danny in one of your posts, I assume it's directed at me because we exchange comments all the time. I guess I was so anxious to post a comment, that I didn't read the whole thing. I screwed up and I didn't read it carefully. Can we drop it now? I f***ed up. Okay, enough already.
My name is Brian Rubinow. I'm a student at Loyola Marymount University, staff member on the school paper, and organizer of the event featuring Mr. Ledonne. I was ecstatic to see that our little event has garnered outside coverage.
In answer to a couple of your questions, everyone who attended was very respectful, and it did not turn into a hysterical anti-game dialogue. Mr. Ledonne gave a very eloquent speech and answered questions from attendees afterwards. There will be an in-depth article about this event, as well as other events during First Amendment Week, in future issues of the Loyolan.
If anyone has further questions, feel free to contact me at brubinow@theloyolan.com, and you can read our paper online at www.laloyolan.com
Okay, I ****ed up reading that. However, there's no mistake about the other thing where I wasn't even talking to you and you said, "God you're a dumbass," and then tell me that I started it. You have totally failed to even respond to that detail because you know that if you acknowledge that you said that first, in that other thread, that you started it. At least I admit when I'm wrong.
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Keep talking about what you were talking about. Yoshiko irritates me; ignore it and keep going with the topic.
I did not say that I did not "start it". I know I called you a dumbass first. I was pretending to quote you when I said "Waaah. You started it. Waaah" because you sounded like a whiney child. I was making fun of you. How this slipped past you, I have no idea. I know this, stop telling me that I do not acknowledge this. I never said that you started it.
Now don't be a hypocrite, and admit that you were wrong, and misread yet another post.
I thought you were surprised that I said that and you where saying whaaaaaaaaaaat sort of. I guess I was wrong, but you are always saying that I'm low when you started the whole mess. Think about that.
the article is up, Mr. Ledonne portion is mid-article down, the link is on "Brian Rubinow" a couple of post up.
It would have been nice to get a transcript of the whole ordeal and the questions asked.
However that leaves me wonder how many other didn't and walked away with out really thinking about the point. I wonder how many left with games= only entertainment still imprinted in their brains.