In L.A., Students Debate Game Violence, 1st Amendment, Super Columbine RPG
In L.A., Students Debate Game Violence, 1st Amendment, Super Columbine RPG
February 13, 2007
Students of Loyola-Marymount University will debate First Amendment issues and video game violence tonight in Los Angeles.The event is part of the school newspaper's First Amendment Week. Beginning at 4:00 P.M. participants will have an opportunity to try Super Columbine Massacre RPG, the controversial indie game project created by Colorado filmmaker Danny Ledonne (left).
Ledonne will speak at 7:00 P.M.
SCMRPG is almost certainly the most controversial amateur game ever released. As has been reported by GamePolitics and elsewhere, the game has been accused of inspiring Dawson College shooter Kimveer Gill's September, 2006 rampage. More recently, SCMRPG made headlines when it was removed from from the Slamdance Guerilla Games competition by the event's organizer.
GP: Thanks to correspondent Colin "Jabrwock" McInnes for the tip!
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Posted 03/20/10 at 10:32pm
Aliasalpha: Ding dong the witch is dead eh? Maybe we'll finally be treated as adults here and women can have small tits again!
Aliasalpha: Ding dong the witch is dead eh? Maybe we'll finally be treated as adults here and women can have small tits again!
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:28pm
JDKJ: Survey says no opinion either way. But approval is high among wombats.
JDKJ: Survey says no opinion either way. But approval is high among wombats.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:25pm
BearDogg-X: JDKJ: What does the wallabies and crocodiles think of Skippy?
BearDogg-X: JDKJ: What does the wallabies and crocodiles think of Skippy?
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:24pm
Andrew Eisen: Beardogg-X - Not staunchly, no. However, only one AG has gone on record as supporting an R18+ rating. The rest either stated no position or declined to comment.
Andrew Eisen: Beardogg-X - Not staunchly, no. However, only one AG has gone on record as supporting an R18+ rating. The rest either stated no position or declined to comment.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:23pm
JDKJ: Of 437 koala bears surveyed, 420 disagree with choice of Skippy for interim AG.
JDKJ: Of 437 koala bears surveyed, 420 disagree with choice of Skippy for interim AG.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:21pm
BearDogg-X: With Atkinson stepping down, the question now becomes was there any other AG besides him that was against R18+? His stepping down does make R18+ more likely to be approved.
BearDogg-X: With Atkinson stepping down, the question now becomes was there any other AG besides him that was against R18+? His stepping down does make R18+ more likely to be approved.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:18pm
Andrew Eisen: Well, Adelaide readers seem pleased with Atkinson's decision. 420 out of 437.
Andrew Eisen: Well, Adelaide readers seem pleased with Atkinson's decision. 420 out of 437.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:15pm
JDKJ: BREAKING: Vacant Aussie AG post to be filled by Skippy, the Bush Kangaroo.
JDKJ: BREAKING: Vacant Aussie AG post to be filled by Skippy, the Bush Kangaroo.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:12pm
Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Gamecube and Xbox came out in late 2001 with contollers pretty similar to the Dual Shock. You never know thoug. This Fall may be when the standard controller changes from the Dual Shock to a motion wand. *shudder*
Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Gamecube and Xbox came out in late 2001 with contollers pretty similar to the Dual Shock. You never know thoug. This Fall may be when the standard controller changes from the Dual Shock to a motion wand. *shudder*
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:09pm
Flamespeak: at a quicker rate these days.
Flamespeak: at a quicker rate these days.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:09pm
Flamespeak: I believe that was launched in the first part of 1998. 2 years seems kind of fast too, but then again the world seems to move
Flamespeak: I believe that was launched in the first part of 1998. 2 years seems kind of fast too, but then again the world seems to move
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:05pm
Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Not when you consider Sony's been using the same controller since the PS1.
Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Not when you consider Sony's been using the same controller since the PS1.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:03pm
BearDogg-X: Andrew Eisen: I meant that it won't take as many people to change their votes next election. Besides that, it's become a moot point now that he's stepping down as AG as soon as the election's over.
BearDogg-X: Andrew Eisen: I meant that it won't take as many people to change their votes next election. Besides that, it's become a moot point now that he's stepping down as AG as soon as the election's over.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:02pm
Flamespeak: Seems kind of early considering the PS2 didn't launch until well into 2000.
Flamespeak: Seems kind of early considering the PS2 didn't launch until well into 2000.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:01pm
Andrew Eisen: Fleamespeak - I'd say since around the turn of the century.
Andrew Eisen: Fleamespeak - I'd say since around the turn of the century.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:01pm
BearDogg-X: BREAKING NEWS: Atkinson will step down as South Australia Attorney-General; will remain in Parliament
BearDogg-X: BREAKING NEWS: Atkinson will step down as South Australia Attorney-General; will remain in Parliament
Posted 03/20/10 at 09:59pm
Andrew Eisen: BearDogg-X - Not sure what your point about Atkinson having only 8500 votes is, seeing as that's around 65% (of the total votes counted at the time).
Andrew Eisen: BearDogg-X - Not sure what your point about Atkinson having only 8500 votes is, seeing as that's around 65% (of the total votes counted at the time).
Posted 03/20/10 at 09:57pm
Flamespeak: I remember when the NES controller held that honor and the stand alone one button joystick before that.
Flamespeak: I remember when the NES controller held that honor and the stand alone one button joystick before that.
Posted 03/20/10 at 09:56pm
Flamespeak: artistic rendering of things associated with gaming? Even GP has a rough version of one in their logo.
Flamespeak: artistic rendering of things associated with gaming? Even GP has a rough version of one in their logo.
Posted 03/20/10 at 09:56pm
Flamespeak: Just out of curiosity, when did the PS2 controller become the 'standard' for video game controller representation in most
Flamespeak: Just out of curiosity, when did the PS2 controller become the 'standard' for video game controller representation in most
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I'm not exactly clear when this game violence debate will happen...from the article it just sounds like people will get to play the game and then listen to DL speak.
I don't think they'll be debating SCMRPG (there might be a Q&A after they hera Ledonne speak though), but there are debates during the rest of the week on other 1st Amend related issues in other media.
Heh. So that's why he was going to LA.
Oh. Well, I'm still interested in what LeDonne has to say, especially if people try to grill him afterwards.
Looks like Danny's going Justin Timberlake for his little celebrity appearance. =)
This article sucks and who cares what people want to do online? This game isn't even in stores. These anti-game activists are idiots and they need to grow brains. This game also should have been allowed to contend for an award and it sucks that it was thrown off.
They aren't ALL idiots they either a. don't know what they're talking about or b. they are trying to change what people see as to how they see fit, which is tyrannical at best.
#1: Why did you address that post to me?
#2: What anti-game activists?
#3: If you don't care what people do online, why do you care whether SCMRPG contends for an award or not?
#1: You addressed me in your first post up there.
#2: Anti-game activists are the ones who are against the game.
#3: I think it sucks that it was thrown out for an award because some people complained about it.
I read your post and started laughing for about 10 minutes.
#1 You self centered/abosrbed/whatever ass, The "Danny" he refers to is "Danny Ledonne", the guy pictured at the top of the article who made Super Columbine RPG. Not everything is about you, you have a fairly common name.
#2 This is an article about and event that is ebing held to discuss the first amendment across the line. Anti game activists had little or no mention till you brought them up in your usually fashion.
#3 We had a big thread on that a while back, one where you posted your usual garbage while others tried to have intelligent discourse about the issue. Also welcome to capitalism/America/freedom/democracy/ect a private group has the right to withdraw sponsorship from something they feels does not represent their views, even if we don't like it.
You have no reason to answer this post, so please, don't derail this thread, its going so well, and for once I feel like I can post on topic.
I'm not going to derail this thread, but I thought that he was addressing me because we exchange comments a lot. I know my name is popular and I made a mistake, but I honestly thought he was anticipating that I was going to slam the people who are against SCMRPG. I screwed up and got confused. My bad.
"Go get ‘em, Danny. From the Loyola article, it looks like there’s at least one uninformed person who needs to be set straight about your game already."
#1: I can see how you got confused, what with that controversial game you invented that's been in the news recently.
#2: I know what an anti-game activist is, thanks Professor.
#3: So I guess you do care what people do online, after all.
Okay, I misread it. When I see the name Daniel or Danny in one of your posts, I assume it's directed at me because we exchange comments all the time. I guess I was so anxious to post a comment, that I didn't read the whole thing. I screwed up and I didn't read it carefully. Can we drop it now? I f***ed up. Okay, enough already.
My name is Brian Rubinow. I'm a student at Loyola Marymount University, staff member on the school paper, and organizer of the event featuring Mr. Ledonne. I was ecstatic to see that our little event has garnered outside coverage.
In answer to a couple of your questions, everyone who attended was very respectful, and it did not turn into a hysterical anti-game dialogue. Mr. Ledonne gave a very eloquent speech and answered questions from attendees afterwards. There will be an in-depth article about this event, as well as other events during First Amendment Week, in future issues of the Loyolan.
If anyone has further questions, feel free to contact me at brubinow@theloyolan.com, and you can read our paper online at www.laloyolan.com
Okay, I ****ed up reading that. However, there's no mistake about the other thing where I wasn't even talking to you and you said, "God you're a dumbass," and then tell me that I started it. You have totally failed to even respond to that detail because you know that if you acknowledge that you said that first, in that other thread, that you started it. At least I admit when I'm wrong.
@ Everybody
Keep talking about what you were talking about. Yoshiko irritates me; ignore it and keep going with the topic.
I did not say that I did not "start it". I know I called you a dumbass first. I was pretending to quote you when I said "Waaah. You started it. Waaah" because you sounded like a whiney child. I was making fun of you. How this slipped past you, I have no idea. I know this, stop telling me that I do not acknowledge this. I never said that you started it.
Now don't be a hypocrite, and admit that you were wrong, and misread yet another post.
I thought you were surprised that I said that and you where saying whaaaaaaaaaaat sort of. I guess I was wrong, but you are always saying that I'm low when you started the whole mess. Think about that.
the article is up, Mr. Ledonne portion is mid-article down, the link is on "Brian Rubinow" a couple of post up.
It would have been nice to get a transcript of the whole ordeal and the questions asked.
However that leaves me wonder how many other didn't and walked away with out really thinking about the point. I wonder how many left with games= only entertainment still imprinted in their brains.