Hardball's Chris Matthews Isn't Buying What Jack Thompson is Selling about VTU Killer

Hardball's Chris Matthews Isn't Buying What Jack Thompson is Selling about VTU Killer

April 19, 2007
Despite overwhelming video evidence that Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung Hui was an angry, sociopathic lunatic, controversial Miami attorney Jack Thompson has been getting air time on national news programs this week, insisting that video games were behind Cho's rampage.

But while some talking heads let Thompson's claims go unchallenged, at least one mainstream media pundit has pointed out the flaws in the controversial attorney's argument. MSNBC's Chris Matthews had Thompson on his Hardball program last evening, an appearance touted ahead of time by Thompson in an e-mail to GamePolitics.

Of the Hardball appearance, San Francisco Chronicle columnist Peter Hartlaub writes:
Video games have already taken enough of an unwarranted hit this week. An online Washington Post report that Cho played the first person shooter Counter-Strike - which was later removed from the story - unleashed the typical of blame-the-video-games rhetoric, along with appearances from anti-game activist lawyer Jack Thompson, who should (have) learned his lesson from his embarrassing Bully fiasco...

(Hardball host Chris) Matthews more than redeemed himself... nailing Thompson down during a "Hardball" appearance and exposing the fact that Thompson had nothing to back up his claims.

While we didn't catch Thompson's Hardball appearance, comments made to GamePolitics by the anti-game attorney seem to confirm Hartlaub's impression:
Typical Chris Matthews, which is why he is repeatedly made sport of on SNL. You survive Hardball, which I did.

Kotaku has video. From the show transcript:

MATTHEWS:  I asked the (killer's) suite mate... He said there was... not a strong subculture of violent video games.  And they had no real evidence that... Cho Seung-Hui, was one of these kids involved with that sort of game. 

THOMPSON:  Well, they are inconsistent in their comments, Chris...

MATTHEWS:  Well, they didn‘t see any evidence of that... Tell me about “Counter-Strike,” because it‘s a strong theory of yours.  What is it? 

THOMPSON:  Well, it‘s not a theory.

MATTHEWS:  Well, it‘s a theory that it had something to do with this case. 

THOMPSON:  That‘s right... His own suite mates in Blacksburg said that he was on the computer all the time.  He wasn‘t downloading music.  He was playing this game. 

MATTHEWS:  Well, we have — that‘s not what we just heard... We just talked to his—one of his suite mates, who said...

THOMPSON:  He doesn‘t know.

MATTHEWS:  ... when he looked on the screen, he said he just saw him writing linear English, just writing...

THOMPSON:  When he looked on the screen... Chris, you can‘t do something this well the first time you do it.  And the fact is, it wasn‘t the first time.  He was in a hyper-reality situation, in virtual reality...

MATTHEWS: How does the game prepare or drill him in the execution of 32 people? 

THOMPSON:  It drills you and gives you scenarios on how to  kill them.  It gets you to kill with your heart rate lower... 

MATTHEWS:  I know it is a theory.  And it is a theory in this case. When was the most recent testimony, and when is it applied to, that he was involved with “Counter-Strike,” the video game, that Cho was? 

THOMPSON:  Cho?  His high school friends.  And, typically, when...

MATTHEWS: OK.  Well, he is a fourth-year student at Virginia Tech.  

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The basic laws of politics say if you make a point and don't any way to back it up, it will show and you will be tarred, feathered and beaten.

Well I made that last part up but it's what happens. *gets the tar vat out for Jack*
@ BudgetMessiah

Yes, I was being ironic and sarcastic. And, yes, it is true men are more likely to commit crime than women. All the same, that doesn't mean all men are criminals. Also, many women have committed horrible crimes (the one who drowned her children in the bath-tub; some women killers are known collectively as Black Widows because they marry than kill their husbands and repeat). Most states have prisons strictly for women. Like you stated there is a difference between correlation and causation.

So even if JT were right about the guy playing games, at all, that wouldn't mean that games made him kill anyone. After-all there have been multiple people who have killed or had people killed without games influencing them or playing them. Hitler or Cleopatra for example.
man its always entertaining reading jacky boy's emails.


hmmm maybe i should find a shooting range place around here and test this theory about games training you to use guns since in 2 days i've aquired 1256 kills In gta 3
I'm rather glad Jack is spear-heading the Blame Games movement, nothing says failure like Jack Thompson.

MSNBC had an article about the Hardball episode...
"The shooting on the Virginia Tech campus was only hours old, police hadn't even identified the gunman, and yet already the perpetrator had been fingered and was in the midst of being skewered in the media. Video games.... Or so Jack Thompson told Fox News and, in the days that followed, would continue to tell anyone who'd listen. "

You might have survived Hardball, but your integrity died.
You know Jack could be debunked by an interviewer simply asking him what's Counter strikes really about.
@Starsmore -- thanks for that tidbit. So, basically, Jack saw it first in print, and even though it was rescinded it's now "FACT!" for him. This doesn't surprise me.
I can't believe Jack Thompson is STUPID enough to post an open letter to Bill Gates, calling for him to "pull the plug" on Counter-Strike, when Microsoft doesn't have anything to do with the game!

Jack, I dunno if you can read this, but here's a few facts for you:

1.) Counter-Strike was originally a free-to-download mod to the critically acclaimed FPS game HalfLife, made by Valve.

2.) Counter-Strike Source, the sequel to Counter-Strike, was made by the CS team now on Valve's payroll. It is a mod for HalfLife 2, and is called "Source" because that is the name of the game Engine, in order to differentiate it from its predecessor.

How about you do a little research next time, eh? You can't make good arguments if you don't know your subject matter, and you obviously don't. This whole open letter thing? A waste of time.
Oh, and for anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, my above post is relevant to this artcle:

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/13296/Jack-Thompson-Blames-Bill-Gates-for-...
Can't drop counter strike? What utter nonsense. It took me about 2 years to finally realize what an over played game it was, but thats why I switched to DoD.
Well, the fact is that video games cause violence.
Well, the fact is that Cho probably played Counterstrike when no one was looking.
Well, the fact is that gamers are illiterate, overweight losers who spend all their free time in the dark in front of a screen.
Well, the fact is that animation and video games are only for the kiddies.
Well, the fact is that the White album contained secret messages intended solely to be interpreted by Charles Manson.
Well, the fact is that Kirk is better than Picard.
Well, the fact is that green peppers are incredibly nasty.
Well, the fact is that Rock n' Roll is corrupting the youth of the nation with all its girations and double entendres and so on.
Well, the fact is that the sun goes around the earth.
Well, the fact is that I am 100% correct about absolutely everything ever.

Just making sure all the facts are straight.
"The bad news for the Post however is that you can still get the excised excerpt at [broken URL]. Thus, the cat is out of the bag, and his paw prints are still on the bag. Is this a great Internet, or what?"

"[...]Robert Steinhaeuser, who literally trained on the Microsoft on-line, hyper-violent shooter game, Counterstrike. I mentioned your company’s game by name."

Yep. The tubes of the ebays are a great thing. Well played, Laddy Jack. Well played.
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

That's JT's M.O.

Does anyone know who that quote is attributed to?
It seems like Jack Thompson has found his next target. His battle against T2 probably not "epic" enough for his taste, everyone's favorite "school shooting expert" has decided to take on Bill Gates. Who he blames in part for the VTU shootings by the way.
..eww double post.

But I did tack down the URL, by following back to Game Almighty. Apparently Laddy Jack does have some trouble understanding the ebays. And the idea of a browser cache.

Sorry Laddy Jack, that article doesn't make reference to Microsoft-published Counterstrike. Not that I can imagine why it was excised. It couldn't possibly be because investigators found no games at all in the shooter's room. Or that the statement was flat out inaccurate to begin with.

No no. I'm sure that the Post is in on the grand conspiracy. Are the Gettys involved with the Post? Because, you know, they're in... The Pentavirate. It's a well known fact, Laddy Jack, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
@ Hackangel

He's more than welcome to go after Microsoft. Gates and his army of lawyers will chew him up and spit him out faster than you can say Jack Robinson.

I guess at this point it's dawning on him that his crusade and his career are coming to an end and he figures, "If I'm going to go, I'll go out in style." And going up against Bill Gates has kamikaze run written all over it.

"Banzai!" Jack.
Wow... Well I can say that Jack has a knack for saying the same damned piece of evidence over and over again. I counted about 3 times (not 100% sure) that "the FBI and Secret Service found a common denominator in all school shootings, video games". That is completely false, troubled students have been shooting others long before the birth of Pong.

Every time I hear him rant on using the same false evidence, I wonder... "Who believes this BS??" I never really form a bias towards anything unless the evidence is overwhelming, and nothing that Jack has said showed that video games have ANYTHING to do with some guy going insane and killing 1-2 dozens of people.

Lastly, how can Counter-Strike teach you how to lower your heart rate? No simulation can imitate the recoil, sound, and feel of a real gun. People don't die with a grunt and fall, they remain alive for a short while, begging for their lives. There is no game that can match that gruesome reality.

I wonder if Jack can go any lower than this. But hey, he has the balls to do anything, but no brains or info to back it up.

~Akalic
I'm surprised that Thompson didn't accuse Matthews of being a gamer. It seems every time someone opposes Mr. Thompson's viewpoint, they are instantly considered a gamer in his mind, and thus not worth his time.
Thompson is just an A$$hole trying to gain more controversial fame. As a gamer we should just stick to what we do best, gaming. Trying to blame video games for Cho's actions, is like blaming spoons for making people fat.
So - Thomson's arguement is:
1) The game must have caused him to snap because we know from the past that games cause people to snap....

It's a circular argument - no backup. It MUST be true according to Thompson, and doesn't need to be proven - because he argued it in the past without proving it.

He also states that 80% of college males play games like this - but they're not out shooting people.. I really don't think this guy lives in the same world as the rest of us.

(or has ever played Counterstrike - which is a game where you kill terrorists....)

-Peter
@Gameboy

Not sure if you were trying to be ironic, but there is definitely a correlation between having a penis and the commission of violent crime. Men are many times more likely to murder than women, for example. But the point remains, correlation is not the same thing as causality. No one's suggesting that we ban the Y chromosome...so far.
[...] I despise Jack Thompson and those who fight against the video game industry with nothing to back up their arguments. But I LOVE when they get TOTALLY busted in public for being jackholes (half jack ass/half asshole). If you’ve been keeping up with the news, you’ve heard about Cho Seung Hui who massacred 32 people at Virginia Tech. And if you’ve seen any of the videos or read his letters you know how bat shit this guy is. Unfortunately, somewhere along the way, it came out that this guy played Counter-Strike. Of course the misguided media mob latched onto that and blamed the video game for Cho’s rage. Fortunately, Chris Matthews challenged and debunked Thompson’s theories. Kotaku has the clip and GamePolitics.com features an excellent chunk of transcript. [...]
For someone that is an "expert" in this type of field he sure doesnt know games well at all.

Counter-strike is a game were TERROIST and COUNTER TERROIST fight each other out. I think thats a pretty noble kind of game(depending on side) but still he doesnt explain it well.

The best part about the whole interview was at the end when he said that one kid trained on SCMRPG. That games graphics is compairable to poke'mon for the gameboy. How does that train someone for real life killing?
"Typical Chris Matthews, which is why he is repeatedly made sport of on SNL. You survive Hardball, which I did."

Meaning life or credibility here? Because I don't think the latter did.
"Typical Chris Matthews, which is why he is repeatedly made sport of on SNL. You survive Hardball, which I did."

Chris Matthews didn't need to play much Hardball to make Jacky Boy look foolish.

So Jacky Boy didn't survive at all.
WATCH THE PWZING ITSELF.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sd0pbuhsQQE
@Khyris

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”

Hmm... that kinda-sorta sounds like the concept of "The Big Lie".

Anyway, I watched that little Hardball clip...

Matthews: "You don't know that, though!"

That line alone pretty much blew half of Thompson's bullcrap out of the water. (*thumbs up to Chris Matthews!*)
What do you mean people can't drop Counterstrike? I played it for a while, and I don't play it anymore.

Idiot.
"Typical Chris Matthews, which is why he is repeatedly made sport of on SNL."

Am I the only one who detected a hint of jealousy in this statement?

Let's break it down. Chris Matthews is parodied on SNL because he is SOMEBODY. Jack, conversely, is not parodied on SNL (or even MADtv for that matter) because he is NOBODY!

And that, boys and girls, is what angers Jack more than anything else; the fact that he isn't more famous. One need only look at his media grandstanding to know the man is an attention starved publicity whore with an ego more fragile than his legal knowledge.

Poor Jack. Only a few people know who is, and those that do think he's retarded (my apologies to the mentally challenged for comparing you to Jack Thompson).
OK, people i agree with Jer and counter strike is such a just plain fun game thats why this disturbed freak was glued to his computer. I do the same thing. And matthews, YOU OWN! i couldnt put it better myself!
I'm not a huge fan of Matthews but I applaud him for this. JT is just exploiting this horrible tragedy to promote his own agenda. You would think he would have the decency to stop exploiting horrible tragedies like this to further his own twisted views of morality, but it is nice to see that some have the balls to stand up to this
So his heart-rate was low because games taught him to be a calm killer? WTF!? Whenever I play a game with fast-paced action my heart-rate tends to increase. Especially when you fight that really hard boss and its such a close match that one mistake will cause you to lose or you're playing a friend in a game and you are even match for each other. What do you guys do when you win/lose? I usually sigh, it's time to wind down. It was stressful!

Wait did Thompson just say they were inconsistent with their comments? Pot calling the kettle black me thinks.

I'm still kinda worried. They didn't find any games with the search warrant but we don't know what the CDs were and what is on his PC. Like Jack said, probably 80% of college students play games. That's a pretty good chance that he does. Still, even if he never talked to his roommates, it's likely they would know if he played games. I doubt he'd try to hide it.

This just in! I don't mean to alarm you, but... the killer had a penis. Now, we'd like to advise that parents watch their children with penises, as we still aren't sure what effect this has on them. If you need a control we recommend that you compare them to the children without them. If there are any major differences in personality or behavior, we advise you to contact a doctor or psychiatric professional.

@ InsidiousMrMoo
Thats like someone arguing with you about what you ate for breakfast. “I had a poptart” JT: “No, you had waffles and bacon.”

Damn, that was funny. I think I'll start using this with my friends. :P

@ Keaton2008
I get what you're saying, but i think that's part of the joke.
MSN reported that the Cho actually went to a shooting range to practice.
Chris Matthews actually played Hardball with JT? I'm shocked... mostly because it seems like Chris was actually playing Hardball. Way to go Mister Matthews! Its about time someone (other than everyone else) pointed out all the big holes in JT's logic.
"Thats like someone arguing with you about what you ate for breakfast. “I had a poptart” JT: “No, you had waffles and bacon.” "

I laughed at this very hard, thank you.
Because nobody's ever been able to coldly and methodically kill people without the use of video games to train them. Right...
then i must be broken since i have yet to snap and kill people?

hey! maybe my hilary duff cd's have magical powers!


Lmao
ahhhhh he he ok i get it now (lol sorry for that blonde moment)
There is a poker show on, check your local FSN listings, called Mansion Poker played in a "Poker Dome" that has players sitting with heartrate monitors on them. I mention this because people with a need to control their outward appearance, such as the guy who just got a flush or the guy on a bluff, can look outwardly calm while their pulse races well into the triple digits. To say you can measure heartrate by looking at a film of them is ludicrous at best. While his pulse could have been racing, honestly it could go either way with someone this nuts, it's all guesses.

---

> Duffy’s confused?

Gamers have him outnumbered and there are only so many hours in which a single man can fabricate falsehoods.
@Dog_Welder

As Starsmore said, the washington post orginally did mention counterstike but took it down... From what i gather, the reason for this is because they did find out that Cho played counterstike, however they later realized that the information they had was about Cho back when he was in high school... meaning they found out he played counterstike about 3 or so years ago, but they didn't know if he was still playing the game in recent years; so they revised the article... With the information they had, they could say that he used to play counterstike, but not that he currently played countersrike...

In this interview, Jack in his desperate attempt to pin this on video games is relying on that old information to claim that Cho still played counterstike in his college years, claiming that gamers don't just stopped doing those kinds of things... ofcourse, i know from personal experience that a gamer can just stop like Cho did... i used to OBSECIVELY play MMO's when i was in high school, but over the summer before i went to college, i stopped playing MMOs... i figured it was for the best... grant it, now even when the police have said that they didn't find any video games, Jack still makes the claim he was a counterstike player... Man, this is sounding a lot like that time with Robia, when Jack once again countiued to claim video games as the blame despite there not being any evidence of a such... i wonder how long it will be until he claims Cho desposed of the games before he went nuts...

Really, Jack even ingores the words of Cho's roomates... sure they didn't know Cho personally, but all they had to do was look over at his computer screen to find out what he was doing... They saw that he was always doing stuff like writing, not playing games like counterstike
@Keaton2008:

Wait... what?
Jack Thompson makes more lies than gamers make insults about him.

Kotaku: FALSE
It's the other way round.

Whatever.
Jack Thompson makes more lies than gamers make insults about him.

Kotaku: FALSE
It’s the other way round.

Whatever


????????


Duffy's confused?
sorry to double post but Hell yea i just heard jack get ripped into and damn was that nice.
god this is so mind numbing right now but im going to finish it and i still think its all bs.

last night i went to eb games and bought yugioh (laugh if u want) and Gta 3 again (i think thats already my 6th copy of the game since i sell it when i need money) but im already at 528 kills all from last night and this morning.

so if these games "train" you to kill then why havent i lost it yet?

cause its Freaking BullS***
I am an advid Counter strike player, i play both installment, which are Coutner-Strike 1.6 and Coutner Strike:Source. I am 16 and people that my age is the key age in which video games affect people. People need to start understanding that a video game only affects the people who cant tell real from the unreal. I log in about 40 hours a week playing both of those games, i have never had the impulse to kill anyone in my life. You cannot blame things like this on video games. I would like to bring up one more thing about this guy playing Coutner Strike and it affecting him. There are leagues, professional leagues that are on T.V. of people playing these games, how can u say a game casued this when there are millions of people playing them, and some are even making money just becasue they are god at them.
"Actually, both the youth protection law and the gun law got changed in Germany after the Erfurt shooting."

Although Thompsom kinda wants to angle it towards laws against violent entertainment. (I know, he didn't say it out loud...but we all know how the man thinks...well we dont...but we can presume.)
It baffles me that Thompson can't even see how irrational he's being about this - which, of course, is one of the hallmarks of being irrational.

He claims to know what Cho was doing, claiming to quote Cho's roommates, even though the roommates' own statements flatly and COMPLETELY contradict what Thompson is claiming.

I'm mildly disappointed that TakeTwo dropped their Contempt of Court suit against Thompson, but I didn't REALLY expect it to go all the way to a ruling, in the first place.

I don't have a problem with Thompson disliking violence in videogames... everyone's entitled to their opinion. But when he outright fabricates "facts," lies about things, and twists the facts to suit his claims... that's simply not acceptible, and he NEEDS to be held accountable for it as long as he tries to put himself forth as a Court Expert on the matter.
I am glad to see this exchange take place. It makes JT seem like the raving lunatic he is. Matthews constantly presented evidence and asked Thompson for evedence. Every time Matthews presented evidence, Thopson shot it down as unfounded or as an opinion. Every time Thompson was asked for evidence, he simply restated what he previously said.

I am starting to see a beautiful trend here.
My friend was in the ROTC until he hurt his ankle and they disqualified him. I went with him for target practice one day (the first time i had fired any kind of gun) and he went through a bunch of safety stuff first and the showed me how. And guess what? I sucked at it. I couldnt hit anything close to a target and it was real awkward holding and firing the gun. Seems odd that playing counter strike for 5 years did not do such a thorough job of "training" me to kill (not to mention Halo, GOldeneye, Perfect Dark, DoD, etc...)

For Pete's sake, clicking a mouse at an imaginary picture on a screen. This trains people how to kill? Enough already.
Since JT can no longer harass T2 or R*, I'm guessing VALVe is his next target.
A Few things wrong with JT's statements:
1.Since when in Counter Strike do you shoot innocent people.
2. JT said one school shooter trained on super columbine massacre RPG (I think it was the red lake shooting?)That game has no training value whatsoever. If someone can train to massacre a school by playing SCMRPG, I can train to be in the army by playing super mario brothers.
3. (from Kotaku after JT's interview on FOX the day of the shooting) JT said video games was the only common denominator to school shootings. Kotaku said there were 27 common denominators, and that video games were considered pretty low on the threat scale compared to the others.
Is Thompson trying to shoot himself in the foot now?
@ DoggySpew

Actually, both the youth protection law and the gun law got changed in Germany after the Erfuhrt shooting.
I wonder if Thompson will add "This year Jack Thompson went on 'Hardball with Chris Matthews' and got totally owned" to all of this ranting press releases.
Just an FYI, but during the interview Jack says the Washington Post revealed that Cho played Counterstrike during his high school years and that his friends from high school said so. I've been perusing washingtonpost.com and couldn't find word one of this, including in the huge article profiling Cho's past. If anyone can find the link where the Washington Post states this, please post it. Otherwise I'm to believe Jack is just talking out of his ass again.
Sorry to double post, but I just saw the video message he left on the news.

"[Thanks to you] I die like Jesus Christ."

Now be honest, anti-gaming enthusiasts. If he had said Carl Johnson instead, would you be looking to ban San Andreas?
And (My kingdom for an edit button) that previous post I'll go ahead and point out was to point out the silliness of Thompson's heart rate statement.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if good ol' Jacky boy convinced some random person to call the Washington Post and claim they knew Cho and that he did play the game Counter-strike. Apparently that one-line excerpt from an article that has since been altered to no longer include the statement was all he needed to get rolling with his typical anti-gaming rhetoric. It would also further explain why the Post removed that excerpt of the story, due to it not being credible or grounded in reality.
I can't believe this. A new low for the anti-gaming crowd. Someone who was more into literature than anthing else. And the report didn't even turn up a game console. This is a horible event and JT is belittling a tradgedy by trying to use it in his personal crusade.
Obviously we need to ban the Bible.
I also recall Jack saying Weise, during the Red Lake shooting, had a heart rate of less than 60, which the Secret Service or FBI could tell just by watching the tape.

...Man, he must've been in REALLY good shape to have his heart rate below 60, I can't even do that lying down and breathing slow.
@ cppcrusader

I totally agree with you. but i have had a situation like this (not the shooting but a person who was not mentally stable) and it is really really hard to get anything done, especially when that person is over 18. This girl was incredibly unstable, would pull people on these emotional rollercoasters and she needs help badly, and at one time was called by the cops for it. but once they have the person they put them in a hospital and have to ask them if they want help. they can refuse and just leave. there is nothing anyone can do.

Also if you call the cops on someone there could be big problems for you as well. because, like the girl I knew, she could phase in and out of her little tantrums and appear normal. which is how this guy got guns in the first place. and then the cops get on you for false alarming. if he was 18 and this stuff was going on I would only hope his parents would get him some help. but since he was 22 there was probably not much anyone could do until he did something really bad. Although the stalking was close, it wasn't bad enough.

It is just such a grey area. it's so hard to know if the person will or will not do something and you can't do anything until they do. and since this guy obviously didn't have any friends he didn't open up to anyone and get all this frustration vented out. it's all If's and Maybe's and no one can put someone away on maybe's. although sometimes they should be, atleast to get some help. because that is what this guy needed a long time ago.

ps. no I'm not sympathizing with this guy. but he did need help LONG ago to which no one is to blame for it really, besides him.
I love how the man is so sure of his theory that he discounts what people who lived with the guy said about his computer use when it contradicts what he "knows". If he was so immersed in the game, you would think that one of his suite-mates would have mentioned it? They say that they always saw him writing. Given that he was an English student, writing plays and poetry, and that they found a 1800 word document in his package to NBC, it makes me more inclined to believe what a person WHO WAS ACTUALLY THERE AND SAW WHAT HE WAS DOING ON A COMPUTER says, rather than believe the biased rantings of a proven liar who is literally making stuff up.

Also, there is no way possible that you can ascertain someone's heart rate from looking at surveillance camera footage. Perhaps if the camera can zoom in close enough to see his veins throbbing with his pulse, or the actual beat of his chest, but as I've read he was wearing a hunting jacket which makes that unlikely.

Even if his heart rate was low during the killing, think about it: If you have made up your mind that you are going to kill as many people as you can, then actually doing it is not going to bother you. Seeing as the guy has been planning it for over a month (evidenced by his calm waiting to get an additional handgun according to the Virginia laws), you can be sure that this was something he had no problem with, and was not bothered by doing.

I will accept people's arguments (though I may not agree) if they are based on evidence. What Jack Thompson is saying is that he KNEW that this man played Counter Strike, he KNOWS that the people who lived with him are wrong about his computer and he KNOWS that video games make your heart beat lower if you are killing someone. All without proof.
Make that "Erfurt" without the "h".
"When he looked on the screen… Chris, you can‘t do something this well the first time you do it. And the fact is, it wasn‘t the first time. He was in a hyper-reality situation, in virtual reality…"

Wh-- th-- I can't... The mind really boggles here. And let us not forget that in Counter-Strike, the enemy are running around with guns. If it trains you to do anything, it's to shoot people who are trying to shoot you first. That requires a different mental state than shooting cowering innocents at will. Heck, *hunting* is better training for a massacre like that than Counter-Strike could ever be.

"That‘s right… His own suite mates in Blacksburg said that he was on the computer all the time. He wasn‘t downloading music. He was playing this game. "

According to all the reports I've read, Cho had no friends. He was a complete loner, barely speaking a word to anyone including staff. Despite that, it's easy to tell whether someone is downloading music or playing games. Cho apparently didn't care about anything; why would be hide the fact that he played violent games?

Cho was a sick individual who wrote plays and poems that terrified fellow students. One teacher demanded protection while he was in her class and set up a codeword system so she could alert people when she felt threatened by him. He later bought some guns and deliberately set about breaking the record for school shootings. Games didn't do this, inspire this, or encourage this. He was just seriously disturbed.
To paraphrase: "His roommate doesn't know what he was doing on his computer, but I do."

BWAH?!

"I'd say 80% of the male students in colleges are spending their spare time playing [Counter-Strike]"

And yet, 80% of the male students in colleges aren't running around shooting people.

A big round of applause to Chris Matthews for actually engaging in a logical debate, rather than just having a head come and talk at him.
The thing is, Jack goes on about computer gamers using games to replace reality with a self-percieved fiction. Odd thing is, one of the most blatant examples of someone who tries to make reality out of what he WANTS to have happened, rather than dealing with reality, is Jack Thompson.

Funny thing that.
He also said that Germany changed its laws after that german schoolshooting. That did not happen.

So, many more lies Jack "soon to be disbarred" Thompson ?
It doesn't matter whether he played CS or not. I play CS for Christ's sakes. Killing real people with real guns is incredibly different than playing CS.
this man has my respect. its good to know that not every media figurehead has their head up their ass.
"Seriously, I haven’t seen a “new” JT interview in a long time. Everyone I’ve seen it’s always him talking about Columbine, Paduchah and Red Lake(?), and how in all those cases the shooters trained and rehearsed for this acts."

Well, let's face it--Jack's been wanting to re-try James v. Meow Media (the Paducah shooting case that he lost) for the past seven years, only he's been looking to the Court of Public Opinion for his victory, which has not and likely will not come any time soon. Some attorneys just can't seem to grasp the concept of losing a case, and Jack continually refuses to take any responsbility for his failure in Kentucky seven years ago.
It is interesting how Thompson states that the Erfurt Massacre in Germany was the worst school shooting in the world until what happened at Virginia Tech. It seems like he is conveniently forgetting about the UT of Austin in 1966. Erfurt had more people killed -- 16 to Whitman's 15 -- but there were over 30 additional people wounded at Austin, putting the victim count three times higher.

The only reason I can think of for Thompson is ignoring that tragedy is that it doesn't help him in his crusade against video games.
Why blame games? Blame the loose gun laws letting this nut buy one legally in the first place.
This may sound completely horrible, but since the V.Tech shootings, videogames has actually gotten quite a bit of "support" from people that don't normally throw their weight to "our side". First Rush, and now Chris Matthews. Plus the protest rally, and a bunch of publications saying to hold off on blaming games until all the evidence is gathered. Its a big turn around from what normally happens, and for once, only JT and a small handful are jumping the gun and blaming games on it.
@BeGone

Yes, because he couldn't have possibly gotten firearms illegally if he was unable to get them legally. *rolls eyes*

The real questions that need to asked are where did the system fail this kid, how did he manage to not get the treatment he obviously needed? There's also the issue of the slow reaction time by the school's administration, security and PD.
Clearly it's all just a coverup by his room-mates, paid for by the game industry... ;)
Crack Thompson has some severe Narcissus Narcosis.

Give him long enough and he will fall into the beautiful reflection he is admiring. I believe Crack Thompson is a complete lunatic, remiss in his duties as an attorney, and completely lacking in humility, intelligence and tact. He wastes too much of the taxpayer's money and time. How long until this loser loses his audience?

I'd love to experience a news story about media outlets refusing to let Crack Thompson on their shows, websites, radio programs, etc. While it is strangely fun to read his own words and realize just how stupid he is, it is also quite infuriating to realize that he keeps getting media attention.

Crack, you are truly an idiot.
I watched this last night on Kotaku and all I can say is Chris Matthews did a hell of a job taking JT to task for his rampant speculation, assumptions, and lies.

Also, did I actually hear Thompson refer to games as "Art?"

Didn't he try to claim (under penalty of perjury) that games are not art?
@ scazza

I noticed this too. but i think it has something to do with that no cops were killed. it's so easy for them to past games on that because of GTA and you have the CHOICE to kill cops and then have them chase you, and probably (unless using a code) kill ya.

I think something happened, and I think I know what it was. The Wii and PS3. the number of older people playing games now is causing them to see how games are fun. and them being fun makes them realize it isn't effecting them outside of the game. sure giving a violent game to an already messed up individule will probably not help, but you could say the same giving them any type of violent form of media. but I can only hope that people are finally figuring out that there is more here than just a game. it is seen in his videos and it is seen in his writings that this guy was messed up already. plus the fact he apparently played more basketball and wrote stories than anything else.
Re: Dog_Welder:

The initial online draft of the Washington Post's story did reference CounterStrike, however it was removed from the website and the actual print article had it excised as well. Which is good considering police found NO GAMES in the kid's dorm.
did he just refer to Cho’s dorm mates as his high school friends?

I think Jack was saying that it was Cho's high school friends that said he was "trained" on Counter-Strike, when the dorm-mates were the ones saying that he didn't.

A poster on another forum I frequent was apparently taken aback by all this, as he was a suite-mate with Cho. Described him as a very quiet guy who would never speak, and would usually reply to questions with "grunts and nods." Also mentioned several visits from campus police over stalking allegations. No mention of him as a hardcore gamer, and I find it hard to believe that someone this socially inept would have been able to find success in a team game like CS.
YES!
These are the questions that should be asked! Thesy are the kint that rip through Jack's warped twisted "logic" More news outlets need to ask him these types of questions.

- Warren Lewis
Seems like when Thompson goes on a network that aggrees with his views, he looks like a well-spoken, intelligent person. Put him on a show in which he is suddenly forced to defend his points, provide real information and not just tout past "accomplishments" and he falls flat.

Seriously, I haven't seen a "new" JT interview in a long time. Everyone I've seen it's always him talking about Columbine, Paduchah and Red Lake(?), and how in all those cases the shooters trained and rehearsed for this acts.

I somehow doubt NFL teams just sit around playing the newest version of Madden football during summer training camp. And those are more realistic than any shooter ever could be.
Been a while since I've posted. o.o

I read through this transcript and I noticed something. Thompson claims that videogames are life imitating art" and so on. Didnt he, in his last filing, declare that games are NOT Art? Just gives me more of an impression this man can't even keep his own lies straight.

As for the rest of the reading, I get the impression Matthews didn't believe a word Thompson said. Not that it's all that hard to disbelieve Jack. He's pulling figures out of his ass and trying to arrange them so that it looks like this shooter was a complete addict to games. e.e

Yay Hack Thompson. A King among fools, and God among television Whoremongers.
Is it true Jack Thompson is a born again? It seems many loonies like Delay and Bush seems to share that same "finding jesus" moment.
According to a story I read, no games were found on the killer's computer.
did he just refer to Cho's dorm mates as his high school friends?
"When was the most recent testimony, and when is it applied to, that he was involved with “Counter-Strike,” the video game, that Cho was? "
"Cho? His high school friends."
"OK. Well, he is a fourth-year student at Virginia Tech."

So 4 years ago, he played Counter-Strike, and it trained him so well, that 4 years later he was able to start planning a massacre, without ever playing it again?

Wow.
I don't remember killing random people in Counter Strike.

I do remember Terrorism and Counter terrorism in it, but I don't remember it giving me the ability to be a cold calculated killer.

I love how JT knows what he was doing... I mean his roommates even said when he was on the computer he was typing.... yet JT says they have no idea what they are talking about.

Thats like someone arguing with you about what you ate for breakfast. "I had a poptart" JT: "No, you had waffles and bacon."
It's about time someone is questioning his "facts".
lol. They could tell by security camera footage that his heart rate was below 60.

I love you Jack Thompson, I love your entertaining theories.
Aannndd... he sounded like a broken record... saying the same thing over and over.
Looks like he tried to shove Point 1 down but got... heh... countered.
Unless a huge number of games are found on his computer, the whole "blame games" angle seems moot. Why is the media still talking about it?
“That‘s right… His own suite mates in Blacksburg said that he was on the computer all the time. He wasn‘t downloading music. He was playing this game. ”

Except all the ones the media are talking to. Who all say he worked on english assignments, not games.

So which imaginary "friend" is JT talking to?
Good for somebody in the mainstream media finally standing up to Thompson and his misinformation. Far from ignoring him thinking he will just go away, we need to do the opposite. We need to be there every time Thompson comes out of the woodwork to dispel the lies and falsehoods he spreads.
I had heard that Jack Thompson posts here on GamePolitics.com, in an effort to defend his views and beliefs. That's fine, as social debate is healthy and encouraged in our country. However, I was a little surprised to find that he had been banned over fifty times from this site, and he was the sole reason why the ability to post anonymously is now forbidden. That sounds a little obsessive to me.

I imagine he still reads the posts, comments, and so on and so forth, and could even find ways to post comments on this site. People are resourceful, after all...

Anyways, there are so many things that Jack says that I simply don't agree with. Honestly, they are so numerous in quantity, I would spend hours here typing about them, so I'll just skip to the ones more relevant with the VT shooting...

1) Video games "train" minors to be efficient and level-headed killers.
NO. Not even possible. How is the interface of a joystick, mouse, or controller even comparable to an actual gun? You sure as hell don't hold a joystick the same way as a gun. That's most of the basis for this agrument: since the two are so physically different, the ability to learn to maximize your effectiveness with one does NOT translate over to the other. Agent57 stated in his post that, although he was experienced in playing FPS, when he went to a shooting range with a friend, his skills didn't carry over to actual real-life shooting. Same can be said with me: I played Metal Gear Online (not a FPS, but a shooter nonetheless), and I can say I was pretty good at the game, but my cousin five years my junior can destroy me in skeet shooting! And he plays little to no video games, b/c he has a hectic schedule.

2) Violent video games desensitize us towards actual violence.
Hmmmm, a good point that's been around since ancient times. LOL... I think his basis for the argument is that people who see this virtual violence are more predisposed towards committing violent acts. It's a possibility, NOT a statistic. It's not improbable to think that someone could use a video game to "rehearse", but to assume that everyone who plays a particularly violent game has that ambition and that ambition ONLY... well, you know what they say when you assume...

3) Violent video games should not be readily and easily accessible to minors.
I do agree with this, but only to an extent, and I think this statement could be worded a little more carefully. Here's how I see it: When a game is given a "Mature" rating, it means just that. Immature people have no right to play this game. I have heard and witnessed countless violations of this rule in online games. How many times have you heard an angry child, or even an adult, curse you out, call you slanderous names, defame your character, or even go so far as attempt to publicly humiliate you? These people are the ones that the rating system attempts to prevent from playing these games. I know that there are people who act very mature for their age, who play these "Mature" games, who are also under the age limit for these "Mature" games. So, how do we gauge who is and isn't mature enough to participate in these activities? Simple, the parents. The parents, who should know more about their own children than anyone else, are the ones who are responsible for what entertainment their kids are allowed to see/hear/interact with. If your child is able to discern between negative behavior in a virtual/fictional environment and negative behavior in real life, and is able to realize the consequences of such actions as a deterrent to acting upon them, then they are able to partake in a "Mature"-rated game, and behave accordingly. To sum it up: minors buying "Mature" games should be regulated, but the decision to buy that game rests upon the guardians of those children, and no one else. If the guardian and the dependent can reach a consensus as to whether or not the game is appropriate and suitable for them, then it should end there.

I know I am just reiterating what the vast majority of you already know, but this post is more a message to Jack Thompson, who I hope reads this comment.

I am 23 years old. I have played many violent video games, including Resident Evil, most of the GTA series, Max Payne, Metal Gear Solid, a little bit of Halo, God of War, and damn near everything else in between. I have had trouble lately trying to find a job, as my college career has been less than successful. I still enjoy playing video games, even more so when I am either competing against or co-operating with other players. I consider myself a decent and hardworking member of society, even if I am still struggling to find my place.

I REFUSE to take cheap shots at people. I WILL defend myself if someone attacks me or my character/characteristics. I do NOT find it entertaining to belittle anyone, especially based on race, sex, religion, sexual preference, personal choice, hobbies, and/or interests.

Now, looking at several statements you yourself have made,...

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney)

it seems that you are quick to go on the defensive, whether someone is being vindictive towards you, or is simply trying to debate a point with you. The former is circumstantial, and can, to an extent, be justified. But the latter, well... Why get so defensive? There are people, believe it or not, who are gamers, whose frontal lobes are not fried, who look forward to a debate with you, who could probably hold their own against you. These people are not out to humiliate you, simply to discuss and compare their views with your own.

I did not write this post with an intent to ridicule you, though I did feel hurt after reading some of the things you have said about gamers as a whole. I simply would like a dialog with you. And if you feel that I am hiding behind a screen name, just ask, and you shall receive my name, address, city, state, vitals, favorite books, music, pets, pet peeves, favorite quotes, and yada yada yada...

I hope to hear from you and discuss this subject like two people, in a tactful and civil manner.
I don't know what you gamers are thinking. I completely agree with Jack Thompson about Cho's history and training with Counter-Strike.

Counter-Strike clearly teaches you to:
- Avoid being flagged by a background check when purchasing a firearm even though you have a clear history of mental illness by never being confined to a mental institution by judicial order.
- Purchase firearms from gun and pawn shops in states with relatively lax gun control laws.
- Purchase ammunition on eBay.
- Write insane ranting letters
- Make insane ranting video's of yourself
- Conceal all evidence of your video game habits from suite-mates and police searches

Duh!



I wonder if it ever occurred to Jack that, perhaps, if Cho did indeed have a 60 or under heart rate while he was shooting everyone, it wasn't because he was "trained on games", but because in Cho's twisted view of the world, shooting a person probably wasn't much different than shooting a cardboard cutout.
(sorry for the double post)... I had an "end sarcasm" tag after the "Duh!", but it got removed... =(
I don't believe games are to blame either. I mean I play Counter-Strike, CoD2, PainKiller, etc... the list goes on I mean honestly, I've never had the urge to go out and kill a bunch of people. I even some times go Paint balling. When I go paintballing my heart rate still rises and keeps you on the edge of your seat, I've been playing counter-strike since v1.3 and going paintballing still gets my heart rate going and thats not even a real gun. This guy JT clearly needs to sit down, play some video games, go paint balling and then tell us how playing games made him into a cold hearted murderer.
JT should train on some legal simulators, and maybe stop embarrassing the profession.
Actually, you CAN hurt innocent people in CS 1.6 - in the hostage scenarios. It's not a very good idea, but it can still be done.
It's not enough that this guy was mentally insane and a psychopath, there has to have been another reason (according to other psychos like Thompson). The real tragedy here is that a known psychopath was able to (on two occasions) pass an instant background check and purchase deadly firearms that he then used against his fellow students.

Religion is not a factor here either. This guy was so far gone, and the only thing he could think to ramble about is how he was going to make himself a martyr like Jesus Christ (in itself an insane rambling, since Jesus was non-violent and died for the sake of others). There is no evidence that he was a Christian, a Muslim or anything else. The only evidence points to the fact that he was nuts, and that the Virginia Tech Administration dropped the ball in letting him continue his classes.

In a normal person without psychotic issues, a game like Counterstrike very well could train you how to pull an assault like the one at V-Tech off. But in someone like Cho, where his emotions were already so far detached from reality, it wouldn't have served any additional purpose even IF they could have found evidence that he still plays it.

I'm glad Chris Matthews atleast somewhat presented a counter to Jack Thompsons argument, but I don't think he went far enough.
GUNS were *absolutely* used in this incident to kill people. However, the topic of gun control has been largely ignored and taboo in the media. Especially on television and radio. Any mention of it only appears to be in support of the second amendment (and rightfully so, sure).

RELIGION was *absolutely* part of this murder spree. The killer referenced religion and Jesus a number of times. I have never heard religion brought up one single time regarding this incident, unless it was some idiot spewing out "this was the will of god and he does everything for a reason" or "the victims are all up in heaven now" and other ridiculous crap.


VIDEOGAMES were not found in this guy's room. Nobody has connected this ADULT (why do they keep portraying him as some impressionable kid when he was 23 years old and had been an ADULT for almost six years?! At what age do we stop scape-goating? How is it that if a schooting happens in a school it is scape-goated but if it happens in a post office, at NASA or in a church or a place of business - it's just a nutjob and nobody else is at fault?). Nevertheless, despite absolutely no mention or connection or relation to videogames WHATSOEVER, a lot of people jump to that as a cause along with general violent media.

So the things that were clearly related to and a direct part of or cause of the shooting spree are completely ignored while things that had nothing to do with it in the least are still blamed and attacked for it?! This doesn't make ANY sense.
(*reads the article Mysticgamer pointed out*)

Hmm, rather noteworthy article. I wonder if Thompson read it? If so, I wonder what he thought of it? How it felt for him to be picked apart quite well?

(On a side note, I've been meaning to say this. I really wonder where Jack Thompson gets all his bullcra -- uh, I mean "FACTS" from. I'd say from reading a bowl of alphabet soup. Or listening to a bowl of Rice Krispies.)
I just want to know... Will there ever be a time where a murder is committed by a young person and Jack Thompson DOESN'T turn to video games for blame. It doesn't make sense. How dense do you have to be to think that every time a murder happens it stems from video game playing.

It has been said numerous times: Murder has existed before video games. Jack will never cease to be the biggest fool in the anti-video game protest.
@Mysticgamer:

Wow. That's the most serious pwning I've ever seen Thompson get in the mainstream press. There's just... there are so many facts. It makes me... so happy.
In case anyone's interested here's the article that leads to Jacks owning...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18220228/
OMG, http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson how did anyone with such desperatly OPINIONATED views and obvious disregard for the law ever pass the bar? My guess is that he must be best pals with the same people that got President Bush out of Vietnam, that allowed Vice President Cheney to shoot his "friend" in the face with a shot gun (must have played Castle Wolfenstein or Duke Nukem3d), that pulled the wool over the eyes of the United States on 9/11, the same people that sold us all on the weapons of mass deception in Iraq, ... shall I contine?

Hey Jack-ass, next time you go acusing us gamers of being on drugs maybe you should do your own "research."

Excuse me jack, I am presently too busy; smokin' crack, being brainwashed by the presidental administration, beating seals, jackingoff to paris hilton videos, being an anonomus self-googler, and crashing my car whilst playing counter-strike to pay any attention to an egotistical jesus-freak like you.
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DOUBLE POST FTW!
Send that to Jack Thompson, whoever you are, you blessed soul...
That summed up my feelings and beliefs in the subject, supported by ACTUAL scientific evidence, which is fair and impartial, and was worded so eloquently...
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just think of all the games that people play, especially violent ones and yet look how infrequent the school shootings are... you would think with millions playing, many addicted playing hours a day that if there was a link there would be a hell of alot more shootings... what an interesting country we live in where people blame video games instead of the psyCHOtic murderer who actually did it.... TIME TO MOVE.
good job...

thanks for the article, I used part of at my blog...
It's about time that someone stood up to Jack "Jackass" Thompson. Another thing that I have noticed is that whenever a school shooting occurs, the rightwingers blame the video games, never the guns. Ever since there was a school shooting in a time when video games were widely played, people like Jack Thompson have blamed them. Well you know what? I say they're NRA sympathizers. They don't have the balls to say that guns kill people, not video games. Haven't you notice this? I say, we uncover the real culprit: our violent gun culture and the Second Amendment. They're just blaming video games because they don't believe guns are responisble, even though all these shootings have taken place in Red States with lax gun control laws, whether it be Columbine, Red Lake, Vtech, or any others. Just boycott Jack Thompson.
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I think Christopher Matthews is the best thing to come down the pike since sliced bread, so much so, in fact, I wrote a book about him entitled I CALL HIM CHRISTOPHER. It is available on Amazon and Forbes, among others, worldwide.
I find it interesting that these shootings most commonly happen in America, when games are played all over the world
And that nowadays you can skip blaming the culprit for a crime
And that since games became a multimillion pound industry, the juvenile crime rate has plummeted
And that there are conclusive studies that have found that games actually desensitize to violence LESS than films or television

Unfortunately Jackie Boy doesn't.

I have to say, I'd be more likely to be violent after his incessant fantasizing. who here right now wants to punch the bastard despite being perfectly calm when you started reading the article?

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Posted 07/04/09 at 01:18pm
Andrew Eisen: Rodrigo - A fun idea but you might want to fix the typos.
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Yuuri: Happy Blow Crap Up Day!
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Rodrigo Ybáñez García: I designed this shirt for Jack debate today: http://i44.tinypic.com/2552t89.jpg
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BearDogg-X: There's a one minute and a half preview of the video game episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit! up at http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/home.do
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Arcanagos: Happy 4th all
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Michael Chandra: I missed out on Jack? =(
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Escanor94: hmm, looks like when someone gets banned all their comments are automaticly deleted
Posted 07/03/09 at 11:46pm
Arcanagos: aww, did i miss the JT party? :(
Posted 07/03/09 at 11:00pm
Leet Gamer Jargon: Where's the recent JT bullcrap? Which comments section has he vomited on? EDIT: Nevermind; it's in the "Radio" thread.
Posted 07/03/09 at 09:17pm
BearDogg-X: I wonder what the Metropolitian Moron of Miami said in response to my comment saying that he got a dose of his medicine on the SGC09 Debate thread?
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:51pm
Rodrigo Ybáñez García: He gets offended with a bunch of flowers.
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:49pm
GoodRobotUs: LOL He takes offence at the fact he might have *chosen* to be crazy?
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:47pm
Rodrigo Ybáñez García: He warned me to get a lawyer after I called him "crazy by his own choice"... that´s libel for him
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:45pm
HilaryDuffGta: "libel" what did he threaten now?
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:44pm
Rodrigo Ybáñez García: Was fun to be threatened for "libel" again.
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:26pm
HilaryDuffGta: hey so what did i miss??? the usual spam of "crap"
Posted 07/03/09 at 06:15pm
FlakAttack: Jack ruined his chance to have civil debates with us here. Glad you banned him (again).
Posted 07/03/09 at 04:04pm
Krono: Unexpected is probably the best word to describe it. Particularly as no decent reason is given.
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