
Despite overwhelming video evidence that Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung Hui was an angry, sociopathic lunatic, controversial Miami attorney Jack Thompson has been getting air time on national news programs this week, insisting that video games were behind Cho's rampage.
But while some talking heads let Thompson's claims go unchallenged, at least one mainstream media pundit has pointed out the flaws in the controversial attorney's argument. MSNBC's Chris Matthews had Thompson on his Hardball program last evening, an appearance touted ahead of time by Thompson in an e-mail to
GamePolitics.
Of the Hardball appearance, San Francisco Chronicle columnist
Peter Hartlaub writes:
Video games have already taken enough of an unwarranted hit this week. An online Washington Post report that Cho played the first person shooter Counter-Strike - which was later removed from the story - unleashed the typical of blame-the-video-games rhetoric, along with appearances from anti-game activist lawyer Jack Thompson, who should (have) learned his lesson from his embarrassing Bully fiasco...
(Hardball host Chris) Matthews more than redeemed himself... nailing Thompson down during a "Hardball" appearance and exposing the fact that Thompson had nothing to back up his claims.
While we didn't catch Thompson's Hardball appearance, comments made to
GamePolitics by the anti-game attorney seem to confirm Hartlaub's impression:
Typical Chris Matthews, which is why he is repeatedly made sport of on SNL. You survive Hardball, which I did.
Kotaku has
video. From the show
transcript:
MATTHEWS: I asked the (killer's) suite mate... He said there was... not a strong subculture of violent video games. And they had no real evidence that... Cho Seung-Hui, was one of these kids involved with that sort of game.
THOMPSON: Well, they are inconsistent in their comments, Chris...
MATTHEWS: Well, they didn‘t see any evidence of that... Tell me about “Counter-Strike,” because it‘s a strong theory of yours. What is it?
THOMPSON: Well, it‘s not a theory.
MATTHEWS: Well, it‘s a theory that it had something to do with this case.
THOMPSON: That‘s right... His own suite mates in Blacksburg said that he was on the computer all the time. He wasn‘t downloading music. He was playing this game.
MATTHEWS: Well, we have — that‘s not what we just heard... We just talked to his—one of his suite mates, who said...
THOMPSON: He doesn‘t know.
MATTHEWS: ... when he looked on the screen, he said he just saw him writing linear English, just writing...
THOMPSON: When he looked on the screen... Chris, you can‘t do something this well the first time you do it. And the fact is, it wasn‘t the first time. He was in a hyper-reality situation, in virtual reality...
MATTHEWS: How does the game prepare or drill him in the execution of 32 people?
THOMPSON: It drills you and gives you scenarios on how to kill them. It gets you to kill with your heart rate lower...
MATTHEWS: I know it is a theory. And it is a theory in this case. When was the most recent testimony, and when is it applied to, that he was involved with “Counter-Strike,” the video game, that Cho was?
THOMPSON: Cho? His high school friends. And, typically, when...
MATTHEWS: OK. Well, he is a fourth-year student at Virginia Tech.
Comments
Well I made that last part up but it's what happens. *gets the tar vat out for Jack*
Yes, I was being ironic and sarcastic. And, yes, it is true men are more likely to commit crime than women. All the same, that doesn't mean all men are criminals. Also, many women have committed horrible crimes (the one who drowned her children in the bath-tub; some women killers are known collectively as Black Widows because they marry than kill their husbands and repeat). Most states have prisons strictly for women. Like you stated there is a difference between correlation and causation.
So even if JT were right about the guy playing games, at all, that wouldn't mean that games made him kill anyone. After-all there have been multiple people who have killed or had people killed without games influencing them or playing them. Hitler or Cleopatra for example.
hmmm maybe i should find a shooting range place around here and test this theory about games training you to use guns since in 2 days i've aquired 1256 kills In gta 3
MSNBC had an article about the Hardball episode...
"The shooting on the Virginia Tech campus was only hours old, police hadn't even identified the gunman, and yet already the perpetrator had been fingered and was in the midst of being skewered in the media. Video games.... Or so Jack Thompson told Fox News and, in the days that followed, would continue to tell anyone who'd listen. "
You might have survived Hardball, but your integrity died.
Jack, I dunno if you can read this, but here's a few facts for you:
1.) Counter-Strike was originally a free-to-download mod to the critically acclaimed FPS game HalfLife, made by Valve.
2.) Counter-Strike Source, the sequel to Counter-Strike, was made by the CS team now on Valve's payroll. It is a mod for HalfLife 2, and is called "Source" because that is the name of the game Engine, in order to differentiate it from its predecessor.
How about you do a little research next time, eh? You can't make good arguments if you don't know your subject matter, and you obviously don't. This whole open letter thing? A waste of time.
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/13296/Jack-Thompson-Blames-Bill-Gates-for-...
Well, the fact is that Cho probably played Counterstrike when no one was looking.
Well, the fact is that gamers are illiterate, overweight losers who spend all their free time in the dark in front of a screen.
Well, the fact is that animation and video games are only for the kiddies.
Well, the fact is that the White album contained secret messages intended solely to be interpreted by Charles Manson.
Well, the fact is that Kirk is better than Picard.
Well, the fact is that green peppers are incredibly nasty.
Well, the fact is that Rock n' Roll is corrupting the youth of the nation with all its girations and double entendres and so on.
Well, the fact is that the sun goes around the earth.
Well, the fact is that I am 100% correct about absolutely everything ever.
Just making sure all the facts are straight.
"[...]Robert Steinhaeuser, who literally trained on the Microsoft on-line, hyper-violent shooter game, Counterstrike. I mentioned your company’s game by name."
Yep. The tubes of the ebays are a great thing. Well played, Laddy Jack. Well played.
That's JT's M.O.
Does anyone know who that quote is attributed to?
But I did tack down the URL, by following back to Game Almighty. Apparently Laddy Jack does have some trouble understanding the ebays. And the idea of a browser cache.
Sorry Laddy Jack, that article doesn't make reference to Microsoft-published Counterstrike. Not that I can imagine why it was excised. It couldn't possibly be because investigators found no games at all in the shooter's room. Or that the statement was flat out inaccurate to begin with.
No no. I'm sure that the Post is in on the grand conspiracy. Are the Gettys involved with the Post? Because, you know, they're in... The Pentavirate. It's a well known fact, Laddy Jack, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
He's more than welcome to go after Microsoft. Gates and his army of lawyers will chew him up and spit him out faster than you can say Jack Robinson.
I guess at this point it's dawning on him that his crusade and his career are coming to an end and he figures, "If I'm going to go, I'll go out in style." And going up against Bill Gates has kamikaze run written all over it.
"Banzai!" Jack.
Every time I hear him rant on using the same false evidence, I wonder... "Who believes this BS??" I never really form a bias towards anything unless the evidence is overwhelming, and nothing that Jack has said showed that video games have ANYTHING to do with some guy going insane and killing 1-2 dozens of people.
Lastly, how can Counter-Strike teach you how to lower your heart rate? No simulation can imitate the recoil, sound, and feel of a real gun. People don't die with a grunt and fall, they remain alive for a short while, begging for their lives. There is no game that can match that gruesome reality.
I wonder if Jack can go any lower than this. But hey, he has the balls to do anything, but no brains or info to back it up.
~Akalic
1) The game must have caused him to snap because we know from the past that games cause people to snap....
It's a circular argument - no backup. It MUST be true according to Thompson, and doesn't need to be proven - because he argued it in the past without proving it.
He also states that 80% of college males play games like this - but they're not out shooting people.. I really don't think this guy lives in the same world as the rest of us.
(or has ever played Counterstrike - which is a game where you kill terrorists....)
-Peter
Not sure if you were trying to be ironic, but there is definitely a correlation between having a penis and the commission of violent crime. Men are many times more likely to murder than women, for example. But the point remains, correlation is not the same thing as causality. No one's suggesting that we ban the Y chromosome...so far.
Counter-strike is a game were TERROIST and COUNTER TERROIST fight each other out. I think thats a pretty noble kind of game(depending on side) but still he doesnt explain it well.
The best part about the whole interview was at the end when he said that one kid trained on SCMRPG. That games graphics is compairable to poke'mon for the gameboy. How does that train someone for real life killing?
Meaning life or credibility here? Because I don't think the latter did.
Chris Matthews didn't need to play much Hardball to make Jacky Boy look foolish.
So Jacky Boy didn't survive at all.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sd0pbuhsQQE
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”
Hmm... that kinda-sorta sounds like the concept of "The Big Lie".
Anyway, I watched that little Hardball clip...
Matthews: "You don't know that, though!"
That line alone pretty much blew half of Thompson's bullcrap out of the water. (*thumbs up to Chris Matthews!*)
Idiot.
Am I the only one who detected a hint of jealousy in this statement?
Let's break it down. Chris Matthews is parodied on SNL because he is SOMEBODY. Jack, conversely, is not parodied on SNL (or even MADtv for that matter) because he is NOBODY!
And that, boys and girls, is what angers Jack more than anything else; the fact that he isn't more famous. One need only look at his media grandstanding to know the man is an attention starved publicity whore with an ego more fragile than his legal knowledge.
Poor Jack. Only a few people know who is, and those that do think he's retarded (my apologies to the mentally challenged for comparing you to Jack Thompson).
Wait did Thompson just say they were inconsistent with their comments? Pot calling the kettle black me thinks.
I'm still kinda worried. They didn't find any games with the search warrant but we don't know what the CDs were and what is on his PC. Like Jack said, probably 80% of college students play games. That's a pretty good chance that he does. Still, even if he never talked to his roommates, it's likely they would know if he played games. I doubt he'd try to hide it.
This just in! I don't mean to alarm you, but... the killer had a penis. Now, we'd like to advise that parents watch their children with penises, as we still aren't sure what effect this has on them. If you need a control we recommend that you compare them to the children without them. If there are any major differences in personality or behavior, we advise you to contact a doctor or psychiatric professional.
@ InsidiousMrMoo
Thats like someone arguing with you about what you ate for breakfast. “I had a poptart” JT: “No, you had waffles and bacon.”
Damn, that was funny. I think I'll start using this with my friends. :P
@ Keaton2008
I get what you're saying, but i think that's part of the joke.
I laughed at this very hard, thank you.
hey! maybe my hilary duff cd's have magical powers!
Lmao
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> Duffy’s confused?
Gamers have him outnumbered and there are only so many hours in which a single man can fabricate falsehoods.
As Starsmore said, the washington post orginally did mention counterstike but took it down... From what i gather, the reason for this is because they did find out that Cho played counterstike, however they later realized that the information they had was about Cho back when he was in high school... meaning they found out he played counterstike about 3 or so years ago, but they didn't know if he was still playing the game in recent years; so they revised the article... With the information they had, they could say that he used to play counterstike, but not that he currently played countersrike...
In this interview, Jack in his desperate attempt to pin this on video games is relying on that old information to claim that Cho still played counterstike in his college years, claiming that gamers don't just stopped doing those kinds of things... ofcourse, i know from personal experience that a gamer can just stop like Cho did... i used to OBSECIVELY play MMO's when i was in high school, but over the summer before i went to college, i stopped playing MMOs... i figured it was for the best... grant it, now even when the police have said that they didn't find any video games, Jack still makes the claim he was a counterstike player... Man, this is sounding a lot like that time with Robia, when Jack once again countiued to claim video games as the blame despite there not being any evidence of a such... i wonder how long it will be until he claims Cho desposed of the games before he went nuts...
Really, Jack even ingores the words of Cho's roomates... sure they didn't know Cho personally, but all they had to do was look over at his computer screen to find out what he was doing... They saw that he was always doing stuff like writing, not playing games like counterstike
Wait... what?
Kotaku: FALSE
It's the other way round.
Whatever.
Kotaku: FALSE
It’s the other way round.
Whatever
????????
Duffy's confused?
last night i went to eb games and bought yugioh (laugh if u want) and Gta 3 again (i think thats already my 6th copy of the game since i sell it when i need money) but im already at 528 kills all from last night and this morning.
so if these games "train" you to kill then why havent i lost it yet?
cause its Freaking BullS***
Although Thompsom kinda wants to angle it towards laws against violent entertainment. (I know, he didn't say it out loud...but we all know how the man thinks...well we dont...but we can presume.)
He claims to know what Cho was doing, claiming to quote Cho's roommates, even though the roommates' own statements flatly and COMPLETELY contradict what Thompson is claiming.
I'm mildly disappointed that TakeTwo dropped their Contempt of Court suit against Thompson, but I didn't REALLY expect it to go all the way to a ruling, in the first place.
I don't have a problem with Thompson disliking violence in videogames... everyone's entitled to their opinion. But when he outright fabricates "facts," lies about things, and twists the facts to suit his claims... that's simply not acceptible, and he NEEDS to be held accountable for it as long as he tries to put himself forth as a Court Expert on the matter.
I am starting to see a beautiful trend here.
For Pete's sake, clicking a mouse at an imaginary picture on a screen. This trains people how to kill? Enough already.
A Few things wrong with JT's statements:
1.Since when in Counter Strike do you shoot innocent people.
2. JT said one school shooter trained on super columbine massacre RPG (I think it was the red lake shooting?)That game has no training value whatsoever. If someone can train to massacre a school by playing SCMRPG, I can train to be in the army by playing super mario brothers.
3. (from Kotaku after JT's interview on FOX the day of the shooting) JT said video games was the only common denominator to school shootings. Kotaku said there were 27 common denominators, and that video games were considered pretty low on the threat scale compared to the others.
Actually, both the youth protection law and the gun law got changed in Germany after the Erfuhrt shooting.
"[Thanks to you] I die like Jesus Christ."
Now be honest, anti-gaming enthusiasts. If he had said Carl Johnson instead, would you be looking to ban San Andreas?
...Man, he must've been in REALLY good shape to have his heart rate below 60, I can't even do that lying down and breathing slow.
I totally agree with you. but i have had a situation like this (not the shooting but a person who was not mentally stable) and it is really really hard to get anything done, especially when that person is over 18. This girl was incredibly unstable, would pull people on these emotional rollercoasters and she needs help badly, and at one time was called by the cops for it. but once they have the person they put them in a hospital and have to ask them if they want help. they can refuse and just leave. there is nothing anyone can do.
Also if you call the cops on someone there could be big problems for you as well. because, like the girl I knew, she could phase in and out of her little tantrums and appear normal. which is how this guy got guns in the first place. and then the cops get on you for false alarming. if he was 18 and this stuff was going on I would only hope his parents would get him some help. but since he was 22 there was probably not much anyone could do until he did something really bad. Although the stalking was close, it wasn't bad enough.
It is just such a grey area. it's so hard to know if the person will or will not do something and you can't do anything until they do. and since this guy obviously didn't have any friends he didn't open up to anyone and get all this frustration vented out. it's all If's and Maybe's and no one can put someone away on maybe's. although sometimes they should be, atleast to get some help. because that is what this guy needed a long time ago.
ps. no I'm not sympathizing with this guy. but he did need help LONG ago to which no one is to blame for it really, besides him.
Also, there is no way possible that you can ascertain someone's heart rate from looking at surveillance camera footage. Perhaps if the camera can zoom in close enough to see his veins throbbing with his pulse, or the actual beat of his chest, but as I've read he was wearing a hunting jacket which makes that unlikely.
Even if his heart rate was low during the killing, think about it: If you have made up your mind that you are going to kill as many people as you can, then actually doing it is not going to bother you. Seeing as the guy has been planning it for over a month (evidenced by his calm waiting to get an additional handgun according to the Virginia laws), you can be sure that this was something he had no problem with, and was not bothered by doing.
I will accept people's arguments (though I may not agree) if they are based on evidence. What Jack Thompson is saying is that he KNEW that this man played Counter Strike, he KNOWS that the people who lived with him are wrong about his computer and he KNOWS that video games make your heart beat lower if you are killing someone. All without proof.
Wh-- th-- I can't... The mind really boggles here. And let us not forget that in Counter-Strike, the enemy are running around with guns. If it trains you to do anything, it's to shoot people who are trying to shoot you first. That requires a different mental state than shooting cowering innocents at will. Heck, *hunting* is better training for a massacre like that than Counter-Strike could ever be.
"That‘s right… His own suite mates in Blacksburg said that he was on the computer all the time. He wasn‘t downloading music. He was playing this game. "
According to all the reports I've read, Cho had no friends. He was a complete loner, barely speaking a word to anyone including staff. Despite that, it's easy to tell whether someone is downloading music or playing games. Cho apparently didn't care about anything; why would be hide the fact that he played violent games?
Cho was a sick individual who wrote plays and poems that terrified fellow students. One teacher demanded protection while he was in her class and set up a codeword system so she could alert people when she felt threatened by him. He later bought some guns and deliberately set about breaking the record for school shootings. Games didn't do this, inspire this, or encourage this. He was just seriously disturbed.
BWAH?!
"I'd say 80% of the male students in colleges are spending their spare time playing [Counter-Strike]"
And yet, 80% of the male students in colleges aren't running around shooting people.
A big round of applause to Chris Matthews for actually engaging in a logical debate, rather than just having a head come and talk at him.
Funny thing that.
So, many more lies Jack "soon to be disbarred" Thompson ?
Well, let's face it--Jack's been wanting to re-try James v. Meow Media (the Paducah shooting case that he lost) for the past seven years, only he's been looking to the Court of Public Opinion for his victory, which has not and likely will not come any time soon. Some attorneys just can't seem to grasp the concept of losing a case, and Jack continually refuses to take any responsbility for his failure in Kentucky seven years ago.
The only reason I can think of for Thompson is ignoring that tragedy is that it doesn't help him in his crusade against video games.
Yes, because he couldn't have possibly gotten firearms illegally if he was unable to get them legally. *rolls eyes*
The real questions that need to asked are where did the system fail this kid, how did he manage to not get the treatment he obviously needed? There's also the issue of the slow reaction time by the school's administration, security and PD.
Give him long enough and he will fall into the beautiful reflection he is admiring. I believe Crack Thompson is a complete lunatic, remiss in his duties as an attorney, and completely lacking in humility, intelligence and tact. He wastes too much of the taxpayer's money and time. How long until this loser loses his audience?
I'd love to experience a news story about media outlets refusing to let Crack Thompson on their shows, websites, radio programs, etc. While it is strangely fun to read his own words and realize just how stupid he is, it is also quite infuriating to realize that he keeps getting media attention.
Crack, you are truly an idiot.
Also, did I actually hear Thompson refer to games as "Art?"
Didn't he try to claim (under penalty of perjury) that games are not art?
I noticed this too. but i think it has something to do with that no cops were killed. it's so easy for them to past games on that because of GTA and you have the CHOICE to kill cops and then have them chase you, and probably (unless using a code) kill ya.
I think something happened, and I think I know what it was. The Wii and PS3. the number of older people playing games now is causing them to see how games are fun. and them being fun makes them realize it isn't effecting them outside of the game. sure giving a violent game to an already messed up individule will probably not help, but you could say the same giving them any type of violent form of media. but I can only hope that people are finally figuring out that there is more here than just a game. it is seen in his videos and it is seen in his writings that this guy was messed up already. plus the fact he apparently played more basketball and wrote stories than anything else.
The initial online draft of the Washington Post's story did reference CounterStrike, however it was removed from the website and the actual print article had it excised as well. Which is good considering police found NO GAMES in the kid's dorm.
I think Jack was saying that it was Cho's high school friends that said he was "trained" on Counter-Strike, when the dorm-mates were the ones saying that he didn't.
A poster on another forum I frequent was apparently taken aback by all this, as he was a suite-mate with Cho. Described him as a very quiet guy who would never speak, and would usually reply to questions with "grunts and nods." Also mentioned several visits from campus police over stalking allegations. No mention of him as a hardcore gamer, and I find it hard to believe that someone this socially inept would have been able to find success in a team game like CS.
These are the questions that should be asked! Thesy are the kint that rip through Jack's warped twisted "logic" More news outlets need to ask him these types of questions.
- Warren Lewis
Seriously, I haven't seen a "new" JT interview in a long time. Everyone I've seen it's always him talking about Columbine, Paduchah and Red Lake(?), and how in all those cases the shooters trained and rehearsed for this acts.
I somehow doubt NFL teams just sit around playing the newest version of Madden football during summer training camp. And those are more realistic than any shooter ever could be.
I read through this transcript and I noticed something. Thompson claims that videogames are life imitating art" and so on. Didnt he, in his last filing, declare that games are NOT Art? Just gives me more of an impression this man can't even keep his own lies straight.
As for the rest of the reading, I get the impression Matthews didn't believe a word Thompson said. Not that it's all that hard to disbelieve Jack. He's pulling figures out of his ass and trying to arrange them so that it looks like this shooter was a complete addict to games. e.e
Yay Hack Thompson. A King among fools, and God among television Whoremongers.
"Cho? His high school friends."
"OK. Well, he is a fourth-year student at Virginia Tech."
So 4 years ago, he played Counter-Strike, and it trained him so well, that 4 years later he was able to start planning a massacre, without ever playing it again?
Wow.
I do remember Terrorism and Counter terrorism in it, but I don't remember it giving me the ability to be a cold calculated killer.
I love how JT knows what he was doing... I mean his roommates even said when he was on the computer he was typing.... yet JT says they have no idea what they are talking about.
Thats like someone arguing with you about what you ate for breakfast. "I had a poptart" JT: "No, you had waffles and bacon."
I love you Jack Thompson, I love your entertaining theories.
Looks like he tried to shove Point 1 down but got... heh... countered.
Except all the ones the media are talking to. Who all say he worked on english assignments, not games.
So which imaginary "friend" is JT talking to?
I imagine he still reads the posts, comments, and so on and so forth, and could even find ways to post comments on this site. People are resourceful, after all...
Anyways, there are so many things that Jack says that I simply don't agree with. Honestly, they are so numerous in quantity, I would spend hours here typing about them, so I'll just skip to the ones more relevant with the VT shooting...
1) Video games "train" minors to be efficient and level-headed killers.
NO. Not even possible. How is the interface of a joystick, mouse, or controller even comparable to an actual gun? You sure as hell don't hold a joystick the same way as a gun. That's most of the basis for this agrument: since the two are so physically different, the ability to learn to maximize your effectiveness with one does NOT translate over to the other. Agent57 stated in his post that, although he was experienced in playing FPS, when he went to a shooting range with a friend, his skills didn't carry over to actual real-life shooting. Same can be said with me: I played Metal Gear Online (not a FPS, but a shooter nonetheless), and I can say I was pretty good at the game, but my cousin five years my junior can destroy me in skeet shooting! And he plays little to no video games, b/c he has a hectic schedule.
2) Violent video games desensitize us towards actual violence.
Hmmmm, a good point that's been around since ancient times. LOL... I think his basis for the argument is that people who see this virtual violence are more predisposed towards committing violent acts. It's a possibility, NOT a statistic. It's not improbable to think that someone could use a video game to "rehearse", but to assume that everyone who plays a particularly violent game has that ambition and that ambition ONLY... well, you know what they say when you assume...
3) Violent video games should not be readily and easily accessible to minors.
I do agree with this, but only to an extent, and I think this statement could be worded a little more carefully. Here's how I see it: When a game is given a "Mature" rating, it means just that. Immature people have no right to play this game. I have heard and witnessed countless violations of this rule in online games. How many times have you heard an angry child, or even an adult, curse you out, call you slanderous names, defame your character, or even go so far as attempt to publicly humiliate you? These people are the ones that the rating system attempts to prevent from playing these games. I know that there are people who act very mature for their age, who play these "Mature" games, who are also under the age limit for these "Mature" games. So, how do we gauge who is and isn't mature enough to participate in these activities? Simple, the parents. The parents, who should know more about their own children than anyone else, are the ones who are responsible for what entertainment their kids are allowed to see/hear/interact with. If your child is able to discern between negative behavior in a virtual/fictional environment and negative behavior in real life, and is able to realize the consequences of such actions as a deterrent to acting upon them, then they are able to partake in a "Mature"-rated game, and behave accordingly. To sum it up: minors buying "Mature" games should be regulated, but the decision to buy that game rests upon the guardians of those children, and no one else. If the guardian and the dependent can reach a consensus as to whether or not the game is appropriate and suitable for them, then it should end there.
I know I am just reiterating what the vast majority of you already know, but this post is more a message to Jack Thompson, who I hope reads this comment.
I am 23 years old. I have played many violent video games, including Resident Evil, most of the GTA series, Max Payne, Metal Gear Solid, a little bit of Halo, God of War, and damn near everything else in between. I have had trouble lately trying to find a job, as my college career has been less than successful. I still enjoy playing video games, even more so when I am either competing against or co-operating with other players. I consider myself a decent and hardworking member of society, even if I am still struggling to find my place.
I REFUSE to take cheap shots at people. I WILL defend myself if someone attacks me or my character/characteristics. I do NOT find it entertaining to belittle anyone, especially based on race, sex, religion, sexual preference, personal choice, hobbies, and/or interests.
Now, looking at several statements you yourself have made,...
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney)
it seems that you are quick to go on the defensive, whether someone is being vindictive towards you, or is simply trying to debate a point with you. The former is circumstantial, and can, to an extent, be justified. But the latter, well... Why get so defensive? There are people, believe it or not, who are gamers, whose frontal lobes are not fried, who look forward to a debate with you, who could probably hold their own against you. These people are not out to humiliate you, simply to discuss and compare their views with your own.
I did not write this post with an intent to ridicule you, though I did feel hurt after reading some of the things you have said about gamers as a whole. I simply would like a dialog with you. And if you feel that I am hiding behind a screen name, just ask, and you shall receive my name, address, city, state, vitals, favorite books, music, pets, pet peeves, favorite quotes, and yada yada yada...
I hope to hear from you and discuss this subject like two people, in a tactful and civil manner.
Counter-Strike clearly teaches you to:
- Avoid being flagged by a background check when purchasing a firearm even though you have a clear history of mental illness by never being confined to a mental institution by judicial order.
- Purchase firearms from gun and pawn shops in states with relatively lax gun control laws.
- Purchase ammunition on eBay.
- Write insane ranting letters
- Make insane ranting video's of yourself
- Conceal all evidence of your video game habits from suite-mates and police searches
Duh!
I wonder if it ever occurred to Jack that, perhaps, if Cho did indeed have a 60 or under heart rate while he was shooting everyone, it wasn't because he was "trained on games", but because in Cho's twisted view of the world, shooting a person probably wasn't much different than shooting a cardboard cutout.
Religion is not a factor here either. This guy was so far gone, and the only thing he could think to ramble about is how he was going to make himself a martyr like Jesus Christ (in itself an insane rambling, since Jesus was non-violent and died for the sake of others). There is no evidence that he was a Christian, a Muslim or anything else. The only evidence points to the fact that he was nuts, and that the Virginia Tech Administration dropped the ball in letting him continue his classes.
In a normal person without psychotic issues, a game like Counterstrike very well could train you how to pull an assault like the one at V-Tech off. But in someone like Cho, where his emotions were already so far detached from reality, it wouldn't have served any additional purpose even IF they could have found evidence that he still plays it.
I'm glad Chris Matthews atleast somewhat presented a counter to Jack Thompsons argument, but I don't think he went far enough.
RELIGION was *absolutely* part of this murder spree. The killer referenced religion and Jesus a number of times. I have never heard religion brought up one single time regarding this incident, unless it was some idiot spewing out "this was the will of god and he does everything for a reason" or "the victims are all up in heaven now" and other ridiculous crap.
VIDEOGAMES were not found in this guy's room. Nobody has connected this ADULT (why do they keep portraying him as some impressionable kid when he was 23 years old and had been an ADULT for almost six years?! At what age do we stop scape-goating? How is it that if a schooting happens in a school it is scape-goated but if it happens in a post office, at NASA or in a church or a place of business - it's just a nutjob and nobody else is at fault?). Nevertheless, despite absolutely no mention or connection or relation to videogames WHATSOEVER, a lot of people jump to that as a cause along with general violent media.
So the things that were clearly related to and a direct part of or cause of the shooting spree are completely ignored while things that had nothing to do with it in the least are still blamed and attacked for it?! This doesn't make ANY sense.
Hmm, rather noteworthy article. I wonder if Thompson read it? If so, I wonder what he thought of it? How it felt for him to be picked apart quite well?
(On a side note, I've been meaning to say this. I really wonder where Jack Thompson gets all his bullcra -- uh, I mean "FACTS" from. I'd say from reading a bowl of alphabet soup. Or listening to a bowl of Rice Krispies.)
It has been said numerous times: Murder has existed before video games. Jack will never cease to be the biggest fool in the anti-video game protest.
Wow. That's the most serious pwning I've ever seen Thompson get in the mainstream press. There's just... there are so many facts. It makes me... so happy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18220228/
Hey Jack-ass, next time you go acusing us gamers of being on drugs maybe you should do your own "research."
Excuse me jack, I am presently too busy; smokin' crack, being brainwashed by the presidental administration, beating seals, jackingoff to paris hilton videos, being an anonomus self-googler, and crashing my car whilst playing counter-strike to pay any attention to an egotistical jesus-freak like you.
Send that to Jack Thompson, whoever you are, you blessed soul...
That summed up my feelings and beliefs in the subject, supported by ACTUAL scientific evidence, which is fair and impartial, and was worded so eloquently...
thanks for the article, I used part of at my blog...
And that nowadays you can skip blaming the culprit for a crime
And that since games became a multimillion pound industry, the juvenile crime rate has plummeted
And that there are conclusive studies that have found that games actually desensitize to violence LESS than films or television
Unfortunately Jackie Boy doesn't.
I have to say, I'd be more likely to be violent after his incessant fantasizing. who here right now wants to punch the bastard despite being perfectly calm when you started reading the article?