
Capcom's Resident Evil 5 hasn't even got a release date, but it' s already drawn the ire of a blog devoted to African women.
Black Looks calls into question the game's setting as depicted in the trailer, first shown at this year's E3 in Santa Monica:
The new Resident Evil video game depicts a white man in what appears to be Africa killing Black people. The Black people are supposed to be zombies and the white man’s job is to destroy them and save humanity...
This is problematic on so many levels, including the depiction of Black people as inhuman savages, the killing of Black people by a white man in military clothing, and the fact that this video game is marketed to children and young adults. Start them young… fearing, hating, and destroying Black people.
The point has been made by some gamers as well. In fact,
GamePolitics reader Quad9Damage raised the same issue in a
letter to GP just the other day.
UPDATE: Bonnie Ruberg has an article on this topic in the
Village Voice.
Comments
People should look at it this way, the second thing that popped into my head.
There was a great movie put out in 1988 called "The Serpent and the Rainbow" which delved into the zombie-like practices of witch doctors in Haiti. This trailer for RE5 reminded me of that as many of the zombies reminded me of the Haitians in TSATR.
Note that the blogger in question is in Africa, or at least is fighting for African equality. I'm assuming that after apartheid they're still having quite a few race equality issues like the ones we in America had during the 60s. Now a lot of us really don't care so much about race (because there's so many other reasons to not like each other!) but for her she's always watching for when the next infringement might make her life more difficult in her homeland. Now she's made some VERY racist statements after that ("All zombies should be white from now on") as well as a particularly boneheaded statement ("I'd love to play RE4, let me get it from my 10 year old nephew") but we may be able to chalk it up to frustration, but honestly this entire fiasco could stem from the fact that she just doesn't know any better.
Go ahead. I looooove hatemail.
so what if a white man wrote the song "read a book" i wonder how everyone would react.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN2VqFPNS8w
i also wonder if this Kym person would pat her self on the back if chris redfield was a black person
p.s. and i was at this black look website and i quote comment mrs. kym made
Yes… I am more comfortable with the zombies being white. In fact, ALL zombies should be white from this day forth.
SO not cool
http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/07/resident_evil_5.html
I can now see where the knee-jerk reaction would be "there is a greater purpose behind this," and I'm -quite- sorry for that. Resident Evil is survival/horror and not everyone's cup of tea; furthermore, knowledge of the series gives context to a lot of the unease I've seen. However, it's a pity that people who speak up about things that seem disturbing to them get such sharp hostility equally centered on race.
I hope we can discuss things like portrayals of peoples in video games in a calmer forum someday, and I hope that RE5 thoroughly puts people's misgivings to rest and is much enjoyed by those disturbed who give it a try.
"More on Resident Evil 5
Posted by Black Woman at August 1, 2007 11:52 AM and is filed under In the News,Racism
Last night I posted a short piece on the new video game Resident Evil 5. I linked an article in the Village Voice by Bonnie Ruberg, a self-proclaimed white person, who questioned the possibility of racially problematic images (racist?) in the game. I also posted the piece at Blacklooks. Never before have I received more hateful comments by angry gamers who called me everything from a "nigger" to a "black hooker" for agreeing with Ruberg that these images of Black people (Black zombies) are problematic.
The response from gamers around the world was shocking. While I think we could have an intellectual debate about racist imagery in video games, there is no debating the blatant racism from many of Resident Evil 5's supporters. Their comments were hostile and violent...much like the game itself. The ability to post comments, both on ATBW and Blacklooks, had to be disabled. Here's a direct quote from a gamer who disagreed with my post: "Get back into the cotton fields, you filthy nigger."
I am not the first or the only person to question the imagery in Resident Evil 5. Check out this post by blogger Jason Ellis at microscopiq. Ellis' post is an interesting look at the images of Black people throughout modern time.
I confess I don't know much about video games, gamers, etc. I don't play video games, but I occasionally play solitaire on my gf's PC. However, given the response from gamers... I think we should all be very afraid. Many of these folks seem like the type who would try to reenact scenes from Resident Evil 5. Can you say Columbine?"
i would feel sorry if im the son of Kym because i wont be able to have this game. luckily my parents could see that this game is just a game and that only people that are mental in the head are going to reinact ?spl? everything that chris does.
so i throw this question to Kym (the person who started this)= where were you when San Andreas came out. oo wait now i remember the character is a black man that is part of a gang and kills people everyday, so it must be ok.
this is the new trailer. the game play is a masterpiece.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22801.html
She sounds like some hippie racist. This girl cares the hell out of me.
I personally PREFER racism to be blatant and in your face because then its easier to identify. When its subtle, like when 90% of protagonists in media are portrayed as white in this country, then you have a harder time pointing out WHY its racist.
We MUST remember that this is a video game that hasn't even been released yet and that those among us who are true gamers come to this site to discuss topics JUST LIKE THIS so that others will learn from it and gain a better insight into video game culture and those who partake of it rather than rush to judgement and broad sweeping generalizations like the author of the Blog entry this thread is discussing.
"I confess I don’t know much about video games, gamers, etc. I don’t play video games, but I occasionally play solitaire on my gf’s PC. However, given the response from gamers… I think we should all be very afraid. Many of these folks seem like the type who would try to reenact scenes from Resident Evil 5. Can you say Columbine?”
Solitaire? You're fucking 1337.
How the hell would gamers reenact fucking RE5? For one there would have to be zombies, something that doesn't exist (yeah, she's a learned one). Secondly they'd have to be in Africa, which is loaded with third world countries, which means no video games, video gamers, or, you know, development.
I think the governments of these countries are much more apt to cause mass violence against these African communities, but we can't really play the race card when it's black leaders committing genocide against black civilians, can we?
Or maybe you'll just blame the game when something like that happens. Stay off the internet until you get some reading done, you aren't doing anything except instigating more racism.
"Can you say Columbine?"
Yes, it's name is Kym.
some how i just knew
but this game is NOT INTENDEND
some how i just knew
but this game is NOT INTENDEND for children it intended for adults
Such a tolerant blogger to say this of gamers.
Source: http://askthisblackwoman.com/2007/08/01/more-on-resident-evil-5.aspx
some how i just knew
but this game is NOT INTENDEND for children it intended for adults
The reason that people are offended about this is because it is a white person killing black people. Any oher version of resi has been white on white with maybe a token black involved. Anyone who thinks that the many years of oppression has no bearing on the injustice we feel today, obviously has no idea what it is like to be oppressed.
I'm not actually bothered about resi5, even as a black person I can see that this is just nonsense, but I'm not about to call anyone who is seriously offended by this stupid. We all have our own perceptions and they should be respected even if we do not agree with them.
Think about it, how many of you would buy a game depicting a yardie rasta gunning down the white suburban folk of Essex, regardless of how rabid they may or may not be. Actually that sounds like fun....
On one hand, I think that the Resident Evil 5 trailer, when taken at face value, can obviously be seen as offensive to black people and really anyone who doesn't take well to scenes of a white guy killing truckloads of black people. I can fully understand why people would see such a game as being degrading and setting bad social precedent. I think that the people who on this thread who have made comments along the lines of "black people complain too much!/what about all the white zombies?/etc" have a fundamental lack of understanding concerning America's racial history, the use of institutionalized racism as a buffer for white privilege, the effects of those things on the present-day black mindset.
At the same time, I think that black bloggers who are dismissing Resident Evil 5 as unbridled racism are displaying a (severe) ignorance of the greater context here. As others have noted, Res Evil is a Japanese game developed by a Japanese company. In light of that fact and considering the very different pool of cultural experiences the developers of the game share (as opposed to, say, Grand Theft Auto's developers), it's reasonable to assume that this backlash was neither intended nor unanticipated on the part of Capcom. Without knowing more about the game, it's a bit foolish to assume that this is another attempt to vilify black people. Long story short, people on both sides of this debate need to do their homework before spewing their rhetoric.
As for all the complaining about black people complaining, when is society going to understand that black bloggers (you could replace "black blogger" with "Jesse Jackson" or "Spike Lee") don't speak for all of us? People are taking what appears to be a vocal minority and interpreting their viewpoint as that of some sort of fictitious monolithic black mass. Think before you rant.
"Think about it, how many of you would buy a game depicting a yardie rasta gunning down the white suburban folk of Essex, regardless of how rabid they may or may not be."
San Andreas starred a black guy killing white guys, and it sold 9 million copies.
Remember the stupid Haitian controversy over GTA: Vice City. Remember how Take 2 balked and took out the references like "I'm gonna kill all you god damn Haitians"? That's the reason to get pissed at this bitch right there, cause stupid shit like this hurts the games immensely. Plus it's not like she's particularly virtuoso herself.
"I occasionally play solitaire on my gf’s PC." -Kym Platt, Gaming Expert
"this video game is marketed to children and young adults. Start them young… fearing, hating, and destroying Black people." -Kym Platt, Marketing Consultant, Capcom of America
"Yes… I am more comfortable with the zombies being white. In fact, ALL zombies should be white from this day forth." -Kym Platt, White Zombie Supremacist
You can't be this fucking stupid on the internet and expect not to get fucked with.
The internet is serious business!!!!11oneoneshift+one, to them...
But I agree with the fact that they see anything with "blacks" as being racist. For example these "blacks" are saying that the recent media attention on Micheal Vick is related to his color... Funny how they totally missed the entire Lindsey Lohan situation that also had just as much, if not more, media attention...
Anyway these African complainers should contact Jack Thompson and call him out to Africa so they can cry on his shoulder. If we're lucky, they'll all be eaten by lions and we can enjoy our 'entertainment' without the drama...
http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/runninscared/archives/2007/07/zombies_...
Now I bet the white girl is racist too.
1) I'm not offended by the trailer, if my commentary in my last post wasn't transparent enough.
2. Capcom could make a lot of this go away - and not sacrifice much in the way of creative vision - by simply making the protagonist black.
"This is what happens when Africans start using the Internet. They just don’t understand entertainment, fiction and video games (obviously) and all that other stuff."
Do you suck at jokes or do you just suck at making comments that aren't completely fucking asinine?
This is truly pathetic and petty, trust someone to play the "race card" once again because their fragile little disillusioned world has been shattered by reality. Resident Evil 5 is set in Africa, and guess who live in Africa? The majority being BLACK people! I think that Capcom should stand strong and not change it because of being feared "racist". Its not like Chris is in there armed to the teeth intending to slaughter every man woman and child based on them being black. They become infected and he has to defend himself. Case closed.
People react to them because they're the only ones speaking out about it. Just like the game industry, when only the clueless are the only ones who are talking, you have to listen to them.
It's stupid, but it's not like we've seen it before.
thats one game, i was sayin they barely appear as a main character or someone in the limelight, but i wouldnt expect your dumbass to understand that cuz it looks like u cant even read
Now, of course, you're in Africa, killing zombies... and leave it to the black people to complain. Seriously, people, get over it.
After reading this article I find it an obligation to tell you that there have been many games Resident Evil games, before this game. And all of the zombies in the previous games were of European descent. Now, I can only guess that this lady is a person who will complain on just about everything. I suppose if they hadn't included Africa in the zombie demographic she would question the gamers underlining "racial" tones, and ask why they didnt include Africans.
This lady clearly is just some Neo-Panther Anti-White racist who is looking for a reason to complain about something. If there were only zombies of european descent who lived in africa, the lady would probably cry over how the gamers are trying to rob her "people" of their land. I know that this comment wont do much, and honestly I just don't care, but I hope my cynical words peirce the air somewhere, and it hopefully reaches her ears.
Now even saying that it's somekind of conspiracy against black people, is racist in itself, I don't see people bitching about the masses of white people who get shot in almost every game
Simply put, your point of view is retarted
It's Resident Evil... it's obvious that the portrayed attackers are infected with something. And given RE4s shops not all of them are going to turn out to be after your ass...
Reason 1: I played RE4, and noticed how similar the Ganados looked to human beings. It was a new direction to take the zombie virus, and I thought that it was pretty cool. I realized that the African villagers attacking (yes, attacking - Chris Redfield is not kicking the door of an African village down and going rambo on a bunch of innocent children) Redfield were zombies, and I knew that they were the same as the Plagas in RE4, only in a different locale. All I could really think was, "Wow! How did the zombie virus get HERE?" instead of "Wow! He's killing BLACK PEOPLE!". In other words, I knew that the people in question were not people, but zombies, ad were being presented as such.
Reason 2: Normal people do not gang up and attack people just because. This is a Resident Evil game, not GTA. They're obviously zombies, and everything from their gait to their bared teeth shows them this way. In no way would I consider these infected villagers (just like in RE4) real people.
Reason 3: It is a video game. This point has been made, but it is also a video game about zombies. These people are simulated. It is no attempt at brainwashing. It is a game, nothing more, about killing zombies. The fact that they are African is because the game takes place in Africa.
Overall, I was shocked to hear that this game was being considered racist, or influencing racism, as this had never occurred to me. Zombies are zombies. Another thing that I would like to add is that I am fifteen. Although my generation is portrayed as impressionable, insenstive, soda-guzzling, acne-covered apathetics, I would like to take this chance to say that neither I nor anyone that I know would have remotely considered this game showing or influencing bigotry out of virtue of sheer common sense, and essentially anyone that identifies this game as such probably shouldn't be permitted to purchase these games in the first place.
As in any other case, further knowledge and research is required in order to make a fair evaluation. I would suggest everyone to go through the whole story of Resident Evil before making any judgement. The fact that the zombies look every time more normal is part of the evolution of the story. Besides, there hasn't been any RE prior game that deals with masses becoming zombies other than people with white skin. I am not white but latino and I would not find any problem if the next Resident Evil story dealt with latin people as zombies. My advice consists of a responsibility call for parents and people in general, since these kinds of games are for certain ages, which is clearly stated in the game's rating.
1. I'm a black person and it truly pisses me off to see someone bitching the way that they are. Not all people are this ignorant and try to find racism in EVERY little thing out there. I mean honestly black people, where were you at in the last game when they were shooting spaniards? Maybe it's just an issue when you decide you need to get your face in the news or get published somewhere.
2. Capcom is indeed a Japanese company. I'm sure that they didn't decide, "Hey, let's make a racist ass game and market it to young children."
3. The author of this game is truly a moron. I'm sorry but if you have no idea what the game is about, then why are you talking about it? Perhaps if you familiarized yourself with the entire series you'd realize they have never targeted a specific race. The games take place in a numerous amount of countries. They span from America to Europe. Now with this new game taking place in either Hati or Africa, there's an issue. STFU! You should really do research before typing up an article voicing your idiotic opinions on how something is racist.
4. [to the author of the article & anyone else being a whiny bitch] I love how you give an age demographic for which this game is aimed at. You obviously know nothing about the subject and you just figured that you'd jump in on some controversy. If you knew anything about video games as a whole you'd know they have a rating system just like films do. This game is rated M for Mature. That means that it's intended for gamers 18+. Show me how this is trying to show young white children how to kill blacks.
All in all, you should know what you are talking about before you go making assumptions about things and calling out racism at the first sight of black and white. We all know what they say about assumptions--you make an ass of you and mumptions. So as the previous statement ended: GTFOY and shut the hell up.
~theron_~
Do you honestly think that Capcom gives a zombified rats ass about American morals? Hell no.
"Zombie stories originated in the Afro-Caribbean Vodoun belief system, so for a series that relies on zombies as its main antagonists, exploring the voodoo origins of zombie mythology seems only natural, and in order to do that you are going to end up exploring villages that just don't happen to have many Caucasians in them"~MIKE FAHEY.
So GTFO and shut the hell up about all this racist shit! The game looks awesome and i cant wait to kill me somes zombies!
I don't know if you remember ...but in the game '' dead rising'' there's a lot of white people who are zombies !!! So what ??? The games is suppose to take place in Africa...DO YOU SEE A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE IN AFRICA....i don't think so !!! If the game would have take place in China...would the black community had say the same thing about the game ??? Sorry but i think that you use the word racism to easily !!! At this point, from the black community point of view ...we should all say that the ''Fruit of the Loom'' companie is racist...'cause they produce more white underpants that black underpants...
Please remember that it's only a game ...Nevermind who's community are the zombie's...play and smash them ...white zombies ...green zombies...yellow zombies...red zombies...black zombies...Who cares !!! IT'S A GAME !!! That's it....stop seeing racism everywhere...Thank you !
its in africa or somthing ppl get over it!! -
- on that note, capcom has prob pushed back the relese date just so they can set the story some where where their are hordes of white ppl to kill.... hum it cant be in north america -its all mexicans here, and we dont want to piss them off (no offense- ive got mnexican friends too), thought set the story in a trailer park and it should be smooth sailing.
- but hay wait a muinite, dont black people kill mases of black ppl too... makes you wonder - has this writer lady herd of whats happening in durfur??? i gess its like gangster talk, its ok for them to do it to eachother and its not ok for white ppl to.
-and hay i lived in Berkley CA, i was the one white kid in a fifteen block radius, almost all my friends where black - if an outbreak happend, and i had a machettie and an m16, i would have shot zombies regardless of race -- theyre ZOMBIES!!!!
All jokes aside, black people shoot black people all the time, why can't we even shoot undead black people?
The Resident Evil series consistently changes locations during it's series (the last was Spain) so obviously the inhabitants of said region will change to reflect said region. Perhaps in the future all video games will have pink and yellow colored characters in them so as not to upset the sensibilities (sic) of some moronic alarmist who's quite clearly never done ANY research into said topic or even bothered to Google the name.
By writing this article you've proven your just as ignorant as the beer-swilling bigot flying a confederate flag in some backwoods US state. Any publication which would give you journalistic license should immediately be put out of business for further the struggles of an already disenfranchised people by pushing another BS reason as to why they should be persecuted. Way to keep yourself down... THE REASON THERE'S SUCH A RACIAL DIVIDE IN PRESENT-DAY SOCIETY IS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU CONTINUOUSLY FORCE THERE TO BE ONE!
I for one would love to speak to Ms. Rueberg and make her understand exactly how ignorant her simplistic (to say the least) view of race-relations will affect any person who reads it.
How could any 'credible' journal of opinion let a racist like her write for them with her obviously slanted racial prejudices?
- It's always the same, when we kill whites peoples it's not a problem, but when we kill black, that's a problem !
- I'm not agree with thoses are saying that there os no black men in video games, "unreal II, all Unreal tournaments, a lot of sports games, games with rapers. Don't forget that a all of games are created in occidentals country, where there is most of whites men so if you create or play a game it's normal to want a caracter who is looks like to you ( but if you don't want to play with a game only because the hero is not white maybe you are racist...)
- If in a video game, we can kill whites peoples without problems
so we also can kill black peoples in video games too
- Treating black peoples apart to the others because of theirs colors, that is racism !
So, all who loves great video games like the RE series, Unite and fight the stupidity, for the liberty to play games that you want !
so wait anytime a white man kills black men, it is racial? That is a very stupid statement to make. Also anyone who is against racism should be offended by this? Why? He's not shooting them because they are black he is shooting them because they are zombies, if there was a white zombie in the bunch he would not hesitate to shoot them as he would shoot any other zombie. The thing is once you become a zombie you are not human anymore so what race you were no longer matters. Let me put it this way, say a large mob was trying to kill you, and you had a gun, lots of ammo and no means of escape, what would you do? You would probably kill them, or maybe not because you may have reservations about killing that much people, but say they are not people but instead lifeless drones that can't be reasoned with, drones that are not human anymore, now would you shoot em? You'd probably say yes, but even not the fact that they used to be black means absolutely nothing now since he can't be changed back now does it?
There is another white-looking (maybe hispanic?) person in the trailer, they show about 1 second of him talking to an African person in the full E3 trailer. I bet there will be people of other races there too, villains and good guys alike.
As for the game...well, we've already gone there. It's a dead horse. The articles stemming from the game and the original article aren't really at issue, but it's the fact that race is brought up- that's the real issue here.
There are other places to fight that battle and have that talk. I don't this game was the right reason to bring up race and video games. I do think that other games were better for that discussion and that in this case, the monsters being black is a matter of geography. For something like Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas or Scarface, where a person of color was willingly taking part in unlawful or immoral activity...that's where this needs to be.
I don't think that removing depictions of negative acts is the solution. I actually don't have a solution as I think that avoiding depictions shows fear of addressing the issue. I also think that those that aren't able to really understand that the depictions are entertainment, or for educational reasons, would take something and go entirely overboard with their opinions.
Putting them on a pedestal won't increase equality -- it will only lend credibility to the white supremacists' argument that blacks and whites are fundamentally different. We as a society, and as a race for that matter, need to stop worrying so damn much about who might take offence and get to work on the REAL problems faced by minority groups. Poverty immediately comes to mind.
The hero should therefore be Black African.
That way, it represents what is going on in Africa in the present day, not representing stereotypical racism or appearing to represent past events of the English invading Africa.
:: shrugs ::
Whatever. It's fiction. If someone has a problem telling the difference between a fictional story and the real world, they need to seek psychological help.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
This is about sensitivity, with 12 games bearing the Resident Evil title for far too long the black zombie hasn't been represented. This exclusion shall end and black zombie equality will reign!
If people would only look at the context of this stuff before immediately decrying it as racist. As everyone above pointed out, no-one complained about the defeating of all the white zombies in the previous games. Perhaps it was more transparent that they were zombies as they shuffled about slowly. With the new "24 hours later" style fast zombies it might not be as apparent, but still, this is jumping to a conclusion that insults Capcom by accusing them of racism where none exists.
The accusations at the end are the worst however.
"including the depiction of Black people as inhuman savages"
WRONG. It depicts black people who have been transformed through some kind of plot device into something not human that makes them act savagely. The savage behaviour is not due to the colour of their skin, and to suggest otherwise is a false accusation of racism.
"the killing of Black people by a white man in military clothing"
The white man is Chris Redfield who has been a protagonist throughout the entire Resident Evil series. They are continuing a story and want to continue using the characters that people have become familiar with. If the protagonist were black, I believe this person would still cry racism, stating that Capcom is trying to get black people to destroy each other...
"the fact that this video game is marketed to children and young adults"
How many times does this have to be said? Mature content video games are not marketed to children. Young adults (of appropriate age) are perfectly ok playing the game. The fact that children often want to do things that older people do combined with the fact that many parents do not monitor or care what their children watch or do does not mean these things have been marketed to them.
"Start them young… fearing, hating, and destroying Black people."
Once again, young people should not be playing the game due to the violence it contains. On top of that, I would like to point out that many years ago, people feared, hated and destroyed black people because they saw them as different. Now that (more or less) people are treated equally, saying that black people in video games being shot is bad while they have no problem with whites being shot in previous games is absurd. All people are equal despite differences in skin colour, whether it be in real life, or as heroes or villains in fictional stories told through video games.
This is not about whites feeling guilty. Of course you shouldn't feel guilty for something that, although the effects of it are still evident, you weren't responsible for.
What this SHOULD be about is sensitivity. The understanding by whites about this country's checkered past. The admission that things in this country are still terribly skewed in favor of whites. The realization that until everyone is brought onto a level playing field, ANY depiction of the dominant race in this country performing negative acts against minorities (especially ones they enslaved, beat, lynched, raped, murdered) needs to be removed and scrutinized further.
@ Kit: I don't think ONLY blacks should be offended.
As a white male, I think ANYONE who is against racism and prejudice should be offended by this. The insinuation that ONLY blacks can be offended by this is in and of itself the proof of white denial. You don't have to be black to be offended by this. You just have to have a heart, a conscience, and a clue about race in this country.
For many others can be said that they follow historical events. It's perfectly fine to kill gazillions of germans in every world war shooter. Nobody's ever complained. They're Nazis.
For many of them there can be said that it's fantasy. It's made up. As with Resident Evil. It's perfectly fine to finish hordes of zombies, no matter where they come from. They're Zombies.
Why would there be anything wrong with that? If I were to make a game based on vampires, and how the player is going after them as a vampire killer, and those vampires just *happen* to bite several black people, should I switch off the cam and say "CUUUT! We can't do that, they must be treated special, we can't show them like this, we can only show them... just here and there, one at a time, so they don't complain they've been left out."?
This is what's wrong with the whole idea. You really have to accept that, in order for everybody to be treated equally, not special, you will have to *play* the bad guy too, from time to time, when it's play-time. Nobody's pointing at you saying that you're ideal for that role. It just happens to be *your turn*, and if you refuse, you single yourself out.
Movie makers and game developers should just stay away from Africa as a place setting for any of their projects because they might offend somebody.
You would think this person would have sued Jerry Bruckheimer for making Blackhawk Down. How was that NOT a setting where predominantly white folk were shooting black folk?
given that it appears capcom is continuing the storyline from the previous game in some fashion, that's almost certainly the theme here. what better place for an evil dictator to set up camp than in an economically depressed and lawless area where their activities will not be scrutinized? like it or not, the economic reality of many african nations are a perfect backdrop for this sort of horror detail.
don't like that this is a good backdrop for such fodder? then get off your butt and start donating to unicef, working for the red cross, and working for real and sustainable change in the world. and learn to see beyond black and white, because otherwise you're going to have *alot* of sacred cows to protect.
that comment was aimed at the people who think like that. I know not everyone does thinks that.
As stater by some participants, it is too soon to judge the game. If it is well done, it could deal with social and political issues that are usually rare in videogames, and therefore it could be exactly the oppossite of what Black Looks thinks. It also may have a native playable character. Time will tell.
"the only thing I’m pissed about is why the hell is everyone assuming thats all black people think like this lady. Like the first comment. (Too many to read the rest, sorry)"
well, if you had read the rest of the comments you would see that not everyone is assuming all black people think like that, in fact you've just picked up on one comment and made your own assumption there
Why should only blacks be offended? Why is it that blacks are the only ones worthy of consideration when it comes to issues of skin color or race?
I'm not attacking blacks in that comment or this, I'm attacking this view that in America, only racism leveled against blacks matters. No one cares about what happens to muslims, jews, asians, hispanics or anyone else.
And why should the treatment of blacks be the penultimate in racial mistreatment? Let's not go into ignorance: half of my family is black, and I've heard more than my fair share of stories about racism over the last few hundred years. And has slavery kept that half of my family down?
No. What has kept some members of that family down is their own laziness and ignorance. My stepdad broke out of that rut in rural Maryland. Years later, he's got a wife with a Master's Degree, one son with a Bachelor's, one working on his, and he has his own list of accolades. This goes along with his nice house by the lake and his cars. Not once did I ever hear dad say, "Man, slavery is keeping me down. White men are keeping me from being successful."
Dan, answer the question, and don't blow smoke at me: why only blacks? Why not anyone else? Are blacks the only ones allowed to be mad about this relative non-issue?
Also remember that racism is not a solution to racism. If a group is being discriminated against, the worst thin they can do is take it out on someone else, which unfortunately I see quite a bit of.
Something Kit did have a point about. "Whites" are not in charge. A small, fairly insular group of whites are running things, of which the 'average' white person has about the same chance of breaking into as the average 'black' person... read: very very little. But people looking from the outside tend to just think 'white is white! all whites are in on it'. No.... we are treated just as badly. outgroup is outgroup.
And if you want to talk history... during the era of slavery, there were groups treated MUCH worse then the black slaves. A good example would be the Irish, who were basically considered 'cheaper then slaves' and usually ended up being locked into companies by debt anyway. In other words they were treated in a very similar structural manner, with the difference being they were considered 'disposable'.
I don't owe anyone anything in this life nor should anyone else. That whole nonsense about sins committed and how blame should be passed on for all time is a load of bull.
The only thing that disturbes me a little is the setting of this last episode of the saga: subsaharian Africa, actually one of the bloodies and darkests spots in recent history.
Talking about RE4, yes they were white men, but they were also ispanic people shown in some feudal pre-WWI landscape that's really far from actual Spain. But you know, it's just a game and also a great one.
I'll love any of the REs by CAPCOM but, considering that today the VG is mediatically overexposed i'll be a little more careful as a producer and/or designer. There's plenty of people out there willing to brawl ethically and politically on VGs. It's always wiser not to get involved with 'em.
greetings, M from Milan, Italy
(& i hope my english is understandable)
GET OVER IT.
They are Zombies! RE1-4 had white zombies. This one has black zombies. Does it matter? No! They are zombies! Zombies are not people and they should be put down regardless of the race they happened to be in life. What does this person want? The game is set in Africa. I think it would be pretty stupid to have an all white cast (zombies included) in an area that is known to be the location for one race. What's next? French zombies in Tokyo? Russian zombies in Brazil? Japanese zombies in India?
In fact, if you look at it. Zombies are the ultimate in equality. They dont care about race or religion. They don't care what country you are from. They are equal opertunity eaters and are all equaly (un)dead.
So what if they are African zombies? The race card is the only card too eager to be played in any given situation. A zombie is a zombie and there is only one way to deal with it. Kill it for good. Hell, it is a Resident Evil game, so the chances are that you are going to have to end up trying to save some local anyway. Zombies are never about race. Zombies are a story of humantiy. Watch any of Romero's zombie films and you will see that point being abundently clear.
My big problem here is we have no idea how the game will play out. What if you're working along side African soldiers or civilians to stem the tide of the zombies? What if they transform like the parasites in RE4? there are alot of questions unanswered to be making judgements this early.
From my perspective this reveals more about the writer than the game itself. The people have been changed into zombies, they now lack free will or thought beyon eating brains, like any good zombie. None of that makes them "savages", their reanimated humans for god sakes.
The comments on the blog are interesting though, almost all of them seem to come down against the writer. It irritates me when rants like this come about because it takes away from real issues and real racists. Really if someone buys this game thinking "oh good I get to kill black people" than that is a far bigger issue than the game itself.
You really need to get better at trolling ;)
We had a proper neonazi visit before, and he wrote lengthy and pretentious posts where here pretended to be smarter than he actually was. He actually seemed to enjoy a proper flamewar... it was fun.
Also, how is this game marketing towarded children? I suggest you do more research before you spew such trash. Any adult who allows their five-year old son to purchase an M rated game is a complete fool. It's sad that the adult later cries foul to the media when they see their son playing a gorey game that was intended for adults.
RE is intended an M rated game. 17 and up. Please, stop believing that every videogame out there is targeted for children.
No, but I know I didn't cause them.
I also know that racism of blacks against whites isn't any more tolerable than the other direction around. "From this point forward ALL zombies should be white" indeed.
From the looks of the trailer, there are other African stereotypes being protrayed that perhaps should raise questions for the anyone concerned with the image being depicted about Africa itself (eg. the Militia leader in one of those scenes, civil war, poverty, etc). These images are all over the news and are nothing out of the norm for those in the wider media who cover international news. Personally, I thought the author could delve deeper into the social issues depicted in the trailer rather than wittling the topic to the colonial racism (which has probably been covered to redundancy).
And why was this not a problem when it was white people getting zombi-fied?
The effects might still be there -- I'm a Canadian living in Vancouver, so I don't even see black people often enough to draw conclusions -- but those responsible are not. I'm certainly not going to feel guilty purely because my skin happens to be as pale as that of the perpetrators. If I did, I'd be almost obligated to feel overwhelming pride for all the good things whites have done... and while I strongly support any person's right to feel pride in his or her race, it CAN get out of hand.
I watched the trailer a few days ago and was just very impressed by the detail and lighting. Can't say I saw noticed racism.
If you notice racism in a title like this, the irony is that you may be somewhat racist yourself.
1. Black man who speaks ebonics: racist.
2. Black man shooting whites: feeding on white fears of black crime!
3. Black man shooting blacks: promoting black on black crime!
4. Black man shot by white man: promoting racial cleansing!
5. No black man in game: exclusion.
6. Black man as an educated, proper English speaking character: token.
WTF, I give up, no more blacks in video games. Let's just make all game characters purple and call it a day.
hmmmm"
I think there was one or two black members. Not sure. I can only remember 4 STAR members. Jill, Chris, Wesker, and Barry. All the other ones died pretty quickly in RE0, 1, 2, and 3. Many times their death scenes were also their introduction into the series.
"Jill, I've come to you with important new-OH SNAP ZOMBIES AND/OR A GIANT MUTANT MONSTER! WHO WOULD'VE SEEN THIS COMING?"
Then you learn the characters name when Jill goes "Allen! NOOO!!!!"
But who didn't see the trailer and think "Yeah... Capcom is going to get crap for this".
How long before the "Reverends" Al and Jesse pick this up?
But then again, RE5 is not scheduled for release until sometime in 2009. There will be plenty of time for tweaks, tinkering, and possibly some revised racial variety in the antagonists.
Its a tough one to call with nothing but a short trailer and a few screenshots to go by.
:(
Can't we all just get along and shoot zombies in the head?
...perhaps a zombie rainbow coalition is on order ?
hmmmm
Oh I know, I suppose it didn't come off well in the bleakness of text. Got into a debate about the fact there are indeed white people of African decent (and black people of non-African decent), a touch of sarcasm that did not come out well apparently, and I apologize.
LOL I remember in Resident Evil 2 where was a black cop that looked a lot like Will Smith. But no there have been no S.T.A.R.S members. Well none that I konw of.
Its really sad but I knew this was going to happen... I knew someone was going to cry about this.
1st... in Capcom's defense, no one has seen the whole game... maybe in the story, the main character is trying to save the African Village or something like that... maybe there are some black africans portrayed in a more positive way.... maybe other levels take place in different locations with enemies that look different... maybe somehow the game sheds some light on the poverty level Africans face... no one knows what's in the whole game yet
another point to consider is that Resident Evil is about feeling helpless and afraid, and feeling as though you're being hunted by the enemies... so, you could look at from the perspective of playing as a white person being persecuted by the Africans in a setting where you're the minority and not really getting any fair treatment.... so it could be like a little juxtaposition if they were able to communicate this (i'm a little biased because i'm a resident evil fan)
if it turns out that the game is mostly the white guy blowing up the black "zombies" in Africa... then i would agree that it's in bad taste and racially insensitive.... maybe if Capcom changed the main character to be (and look) black and maybe made him to be from Africa himself in the story, that would help...
But, I think we should wait to see what's in the game before passing judgement... they've never had anything racially insensitive in their games before
ps
don't see how it's being marketed to children more than any other age demographic (they also haven't really done too much marketing yet)
When I say that black people (yes, I went there) should not be treated specially, I am just saying that they should be treated in the same way as people of other skin colors. To transcend the deep-seated prejudices that encircle our society today, we must learn to treat people EQUALLY, not complain about every small perceived slight against the race.
As others before me have stated, people made no comment of racism or prejudice against Resident Evil 4, which featured white protagonist Leon Kennedy killing hordes of infected, WHITE Spanish villagers. Why, then, is there the immediate assumption that there is racism when the villagers are black? Is it unreasonable that a game set in possibly Africa or Haiti to feature black people? Or should our games forever be bleached to avoid the possibility of wild accusations of racism. People, racism IS still a problem in society today, but we must learn to be reasonable and not try to find it in every little thing. We will never tackle the large issue of racism in society while we keep picking at the little threads.
This is not a logical way to achieve equality. Asking that only white people be zombies in videogames is going to maintain and procure the sensitivities and disillusionments between people of different skin tone. Equality is not something you can force, or demand. It is something you develop through tolerance of ideas, and eventual change in those ideas. Intolerance, even towards possible hints at racism, will not eliminate racism, and instead invites it. This is true of all intolerance.
@GP readers/posters
Sometimes Zombies REALLY need to die... no matter where they are hanging out or what color they happen to be... however, I think that the purpose of a game, any game, is to allow for imaginative fun and if people in great number are offended, then the game had missed its goal. [imho]
I also had a negative "gut reaction" to the screenshots I saw of RE5 from a few weeks ago and I see now that my gut is always right! [thank you Stephen Colbert]
That being said, a game trailer can never be considered the complete insight into the plot of a game and it might be nice to give the developers the benefit of the doubt since they do not have a track record for racist overtones.
Yeah I noticed that too. Which makes the claims of conspiracy all the more absurd.
Resident Evil 4, taking out of the US setting and going to Europe, into a Spanish village (or at least Spanish speaking), and killing of the infested locals? Well, they are Europian.
Set it in a African village where the local people are black, and it is racist. Alternatives... alternatives. I got a few.
We can still set it in Africa, and change all the African people to white. I am sure that is a real great way of making them happy. Of course, as any one knows, a white person from Africa is not African.
Well we could stop trying to set games in Africa. Pretend Africa and villages and cities where black people are the majority do not exist. Yea, that is perfect, lets pretend these people do not exist whenever we make violent video games. Can't discriminate if your never represented in games.
Or we could make the main character Japanese, or Hispanic, or black, would that be better somehow, if the main character was not white? Because only if the protagonist is white can it be racist, and any other race would only have the village and its inhabitance in context, where a white protagonist has to be racist?
And of course, this game marketed to children, despite the rest of the Resident Evil games being rated M, for Mature, to be the parents decision of 17- if it is suitable.
I have no idea what else to say, except, those who complain, complain and then say what would be a better solution. (Unless your trying to take a single incident to go against all M and potentially M rated games.)
In RE4, there were subtle hints that gave the player the idea that the villagers you fight are inhuman and sort of zombie like and creepy.
In RE5, it doesn't give that impression. It says "Black dudes vs white guy" instead of "Zombies vs a guy." I think all Capcom needs to do is make the zombies a bit more obvious, because to anyone who NEVER played RE before, it looks more like a white guy gunning down hordes of Africans.
See how ridiculous it sounds when you switch black with white? I actually think it sounds ridiculous either way, but eh.
If people want race to stop being such a big issue, they need to stop making it such a huge issue.
In here, it's not very obvious. They DON'T look like Zombies or Las Plagas infected humans. To the untrained eye or those who never played RE, it looks like a white guy gunning down hordes of Africans. That's the main issue here. You need to take a VERY good look to realise those Africans are infected with T-Virus/Las Plages etc.
I think all Capcom needs to do is tweak the models and skins to make it more obvious, that they're fighting zombies. That change is all is needed.
"Well it also seems a bit wrong about the “marketed towards children and young adults” part but that’s just me."
It is wrong because the game is marketed to young adults and adults, not children. And this is clearly a case of the creators looking to use a continent they haven't used yet, not some conspiracy by the white man to keep the black man down.
As much as I would love to go into a tirade on the subject of white/black racism and hatred, fact of the matter is that you don't get to blame everyone else for your problems. You have to stand on your own two legs and get past the juvenile idea that the big bad government men are out to keep you down through video games.
Seriously, nation, I thought we had finally gotten rid of the stereotypical angsty African American who still thinks like this.
I weep for the American education system.
If I were you, I would sue. You obviously got a bargain basement education.
However I saw this coming, miles apart.
Or we can remember that no one alive is old enough to been a slave/owned a slave, call our ancestors fucking idiots and be done with the matter.
Since the vast majority of zombie games/movies are set in a white suburban setting with MAYBE a token black guy or two, this game looks refreshingly different. Sure, it MIGHT be a bit racist, but judging by the trailer, the only reason the black guys are getting shot is because they're... well... zombies. If it was a black guy shooting white zombies, I'd be like "hey, cool, he's shooting zombies," same with any other racial pairing.
On the zomg-gamers-are-racists issue, I'm actually a bit disappointed that our friends at Stormfront haven't been around. I liked the last guy who trolled here... I think he used a nickname associated with the SS, but I'm too lazy to go searching through the archives. He was fun to argue with, but then he got banned :(
By Tim Wise
Published in the Lexington Herald-Leader, November 10, 2003
Although I'm not psychic, I know what many readers are thinking right now. "Oh no, here we go again, someone else complaining about racism. Why do we have to talk about this? Isn't it time we moved on?" Well, no actually.
No matter how uncomfortable the topic, especially for those who are white like me, talking about racism and then actually doing something about it are the only ways to make the subject go away. It won't disappear just because we choose not to mention it. Indeed, the problem is not talking about racism but racism itself: a stain on our national psyche that has yet to be wiped clean, no matter that its most blatant manifestations -- slavery, Indian removal, Asian exclusion and segregation -- are many years past.
Contrary to popular belief, race is not merely a card played by those who wish to stir up resentment. Instead it is a real and persistent determiner of who has what and why in this country. To extend the metaphor of the card game, race too often determines who the dealer is, and who's getting dealt.
Past racism continues to have an effect in the present. Since whites were able to own property, procure loans, hold jobs and attend schools all of which were off-limits to people of color, the wealth accumulated by those previously privileged whites, elevated by law above all non-whites, has been passed down. Today, the typical white family has twelve times the net worth of the typical black family. In large measure this is due to the head start whites have been afforded in the race to accumulate assets.
The problem is not just the residue of the past, however. For people of color, there are many reminders that even in 2003 they are often viewed as second-class citizens. Consider the recent study by researchers at the University of Chicago and MIT, which found that job-seekers with "white-sounding names" were 50 percent more likely to be called back for an interview than those with "black-sounding names" even when their qualifications were identical.
Consider that blacks, Latinos and Asian Pacific Americans with the same education and experience as whites, will earn, on average, between 10-30 percent less, and that blacks with a college degree are more likely to be unemployed than whites who dropped out of high school. So much for "reverse discrimination."
Consider the data from the Department of Justice, indicating that blacks are twice as likely as whites to have their cars pulled over and searched for drugs, even though whites, when searched, are twice as likely to have drugs on us. Or consider that although blacks and Latinos combined are only 23 percent of drug users, they are 90 percent of persons incarcerated annually for a drug offense. Whites, on the other hand, are 72 percent of drug users, but less than ten percent of those incarcerated for drugs.
Consider the studies on housing, which indicate that at least 2 million cases of discrimination occur annually against people of color looking to rent or purchase a home. Even when credit history, income and collateral are the same, whites are 56 percent more likely to secure a mortgage than their equally qualified black and brown counterparts according to the Boston Federal Reserve Bank.
Or consider our racially selective response to terrorism. Since 9/11 most Americans seem to support racially-profiling anyone who looks Arab, but they applied no such profile to white men after Oklahoma City. What's more, I dare say that if 19 members of the Irish Republican Army had hijacked those planes, or if 19 white supremacists had done so, we would not be rounding up white men, or applying a generalized suspicion to them in airports across the country, as we are with Arab and Muslim males presently.
Again, I know some are tired of hearing about these things. But however tired they must be of hearing it, people of color are a lot more tired of living it; and until whites join with our black and brown brothers and sisters to put an end to the kind of racial inequity described above, we'll continue to be confronted with the uneasy conversations, as well we should be. And so long as this kind of inequity is allowed to stand, the promise of America will remain unfulfilled and hollow.
Blacks were brought here against their will. Enslaved by white men. Brought to a foreign country to do work with no pay for white men. Fortunes were made on the backs of these slaves. Women were raped by slave masters.
I can go on and on and on about the history of slavery in America and how it's effects still persist today.
But I'd rather you go and do some research for yourself. If you want to be angry about something, be angry about your own ignorance.
Pick up a book by Tim Wise. Read some books about slavery. Do something other than work off of your narrow minded ignorant viewpoint.
And it's still growing.
Now as the forum reaches critical mass, it threatens to crash the site (well not really) and plunge Gp forever into a realm of whiny morons who fight and bicker over nothing, unless Dennis can somehow kill the monster he created and save gamepolitics from the plunge of idiocy.
To make a long story short,
this thread is getting nowhere fast (very fast), so why is it still here?
Chris Tucker, in Rush Hour 2 said, "Follow the rich white man". Meaning that in a lot of cases, evil schemes have a rich white man somewhere in the top tiers of the scheme. If we really wanna be mad, let's be mad that only rich white men can run an evil scheme.
Or we can chill out.
The other thing is that when you look at horror games, they've taken place just about everywhere but the Middle East and Africa. Yes, that includes the polar ice caps as well. Maybe, just maybe, Capcom wanted to be original.
What bothers me is that for some reason, we think that EVERYONE can be made fun of or shot at but Blacks. Yes, they were enslaved, yes, they have economic problems...
...but that doesn't mean other ethnic groups don't have the same problems. Asians got mistreated heavily in the US in its early years. North Korea is mistreating the crap out of its citizens...but if a game has me on the ground in North Korea, killing fellow Asians, I'm not gonna write an angry letter. Why? Because it's fiction, entertainment, and because it's just a game.
I want to know why it's ONLY Blacks that get to be defended and offended about race in a videogame. Racial equality won't ever be achieved if we're all to damn afraid to have a good time at someone's expense.
God, this pisses me off.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, has to do with race nowadays, in the eyes of white people. But the obvious question is this: if we have never seen racism as a real problem, contemporary to the time in which the charges are being made, and if in all generations past we were obviously wrong to the point of mass delusion in thinking this way, what should lead us to conclude that now, at long last, we've become any more astute at discerning social reality than we were before? Why should we trust our own perceptions or instincts on the matter, when we have run up such an amazingly bad track record as observers of the world in which we live? In every era, black folks said they were the victims of racism and they were right. In every era, whites have said the problem was exaggerated, and we have been wrong.
People like this are the real racists. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't and they are the ones calling each other niggers. They use it against the system to get ahead and then some of them, like this person, do it because they have mental issues. That is mainly what racism is about, the minorities making claims to get ahead in society without having to do work for it like the rest of us. There is real racism out there, but probably 98% of it is made up in the heads of people like this.
Chris Redfield is there because the US government decided it needed special forces of some sort to clean up after the mess Umbrella Corp. left. Chris by virtue of not getting kill previously by T-Virus monsters apparently got recruited. Since when you're facing possessed, zombified people and monsters, experience not getting killed by them really helps. As does having an operative that values the mission slightly more than his own life.
I presume he's special forces, and not supposed to be some secret and undercover agent. Making it his job to go someplace, do something, and leave. Blending in and not getting noticed doesn't really factor into to it.
He's used rather than some new character because Capcom really would rather build on existing characters than make new ones.
Irony #1" You have no right to get offended at this, and neither do any black people."
Hilarious that someone is telling black people what they do and don't have a right to be upset about. That is *their right* to be upset - sorry but you can't dictate what upsets people which is often based on their life experiences. If you happen to be a white male this reeks of some white supremacist dogma that suggest you have a right to tell people how to feel. Now I agree there are some issues that get brought up about race - however its not your place to dictate other people's emotions (right or wrong)
Irony #2 Were you enslaved? Did any white man you know enslave you? When was the last slave freed?
This issue has less to do with the event of slavery as it does an an overall history Africa has with the rest of the world. Right now you have documented cases of slavery from all quarters of the developing world. The AIDS epidemic. We're talking less than 2 decades post apartheid and less than a century away from stringent colonialization in Africa - by a lot of western white interest. You have DARFUR/ SUDAN occuring as we speak...are you that insulated in video games and world events that you couldn't fathom there being some sensitivity on this issue?
What if there was a video game of a man in hezbollah gear - killing American zombies...would that upset you? Maybe, maybe not - but the point is when you have 2 symbolic figures interacting that can be misconstrued - its always best to err on the side of caution and make clear what that contextual relationship is. This could have been a male zombie slaughtering a bunch of nude female zombies in a strip club or something - and I'd think some people would find concern in that. In the end though its just about taking into account how sensitive material could be misconstrued- removing any implicit misleading affects I think is all Ismail or anyone else is suggesting, because honestly...I still want to play this on my wii.
"Have you seen the Blade movies? Focus on the first one. Tell me how many of the vampires he kills are white."
Dude are you serious? The part of the premise of the Blade character is that he is the product of a forced interracial liaison between a vampire and a black woman - consequently he hates Vampires period (and him being the only biracial one doesn't exactly help I imagine) you should take that up with Stan Lee (who happens to be white last time I checked).
Being racist, as you are being, isn't really helping the issue much. If anything you are just adding more fuel to the fire.
I think our discussion is overwith now.
Enjoy being a typical racist prick.
and why even mention Stormfront whatsoever? they are a pathetic group of people that don't deserve any type of publicity.
lets look at my race, white people, we don't complain all the damn time, we were zombies before in video games. did we make a big deal out of this? the answer is no we did not. I hate porch monkeys. RE5 will be amazing, to the stupid black lady that wrote this crap go and fuck yourself, ok.
That's all I've got to say - a little humor goes a long way.
Yeah, this post has been bowling-shoe ugly, the likes of which not seen since the Voldemort of Video Games was posting frequently when Dennis was still posting stories on LJ.
Maybe it's time for Dennis to lock or delete this post.
Looks to me like he's going to be IP-banning a few people for making racist comments, which is against GP policy.
Mmm-hmm, uh-huh, yup, you don't say.
Oh what?
You say I'm not paying attention? Oh, sorry, I guess I didn't see the need since you were already off in your own universe where I've said ANYTHING other than:
1. I doubt that RE5 is racist, and that while I can see where the article writer is coming from, I think that their argument is at the least "silly".
2. That one metric fuckton of the other comments (including yours) here REEK of a poorly sublimated racist/mysoginist mindset. (ex. how many comments have some permutation of the phrase "that black bitch is a giant cunt!" ?)
Weird how *I'm* the racist despite never once saying anything approaching "whites are all pathetic racists".
Having said that, I believe there are a few wrong things with the trailer.
There is a scene where the town residents appear closer in camera, and look menacing, with bad and hostile attitude. Yeah, those two could be part of the “bad guys” "zombiefying" people with a virus, but that's not for sure, and even if that was the case, how on Earth, could anyone unfamiliar with the RE games discern that?
Also, BEFORE the "zombiefying" there seems to be some kind of lynching. It is unclear if the mob is supporting it, o protesting against it, but either way, it depicts a place without much of a law, hence, the idea of "inhuman savages”.
Anyway, my biggest problem is with the whole Chris Redfield thing. I mean, why is he there? I know, he's been a protagonist of the series, but anyway, I don’t see why is he there. In the US, it was only natural for him to be there, but why is he in Africa?
If they have to send an American guy, instead of the African (I will use “african” in generic form because we don’t know what African country this is) police or military, is most probably because it is a secret assignment. None can know about it. Not even the American or African population or even governments know what is he doing there, and that’s the reason why the Africans didn’t send their own police.
Yeah, secret and undercover, my ass. It seems he’s TRYING TO BE NOTICED. Just look at the trendy clothes and shoes he’s wearing (did I also mention that he seems to be the only white guy around?). Look at the “badge” in his shoulder, look at his gear. The guy not only looks completely different from anyone else we've seen in the trailer so far, he also looks “COOL”, and even ARROGANT. He’s not coming from a poor country and he doesn’t need to hide that fact.
Either way: he’s the most stupid undercover agent in history and the population is also extremely stupid not to realize that, or he’s not undercover at all, and he has permission to go around with this uniform and gear in a foreing country.
But if that was the case, the operation is not secret, or is it? And if isn’t secret, why would they need a foreign police, military or whatever he is? Aren’t there any Africans up to the task? Well, it seems not, or maybe Capcom thinks most Americans (the primary market for the game) wouldn’t feel that much identified with the character, and that thought also seems completely absurd to me, and it risks appearing as racist.
Go figure.
Anyway, once we have the whole facts about the game, will be able to judge it, but I can perfectly understand why some people would be upset.
This is beyond retarded.
I am so sick of gamers like us making each other look stupid!
Stop being ignorant, and play games, not get involved in stupid arguments about race, that's for everyone else to bitch about.
Let's stop posting on this topic, and just shut the fuck up and play games. Not make them pointless with stupid going-in-circle debates.
The problem with all the arguments that this is just one more setting for the RE series is that they're not taking the image of videogames and the videogame community into account, and they're not considering the inadvertent insensitivity to cultural issues and identity of a culture that hasn't much dealt with these things. Obviously my experiences in Japan and in studying its culture and history are not definitive, but certain trends and generalizations can be presented as examples.
In the end, it doesn't matter that we the gamers understand (or believe, however you look at it) this isn't meant to further racist stereotypes, but only a storyline that has gone through myriad zombies of predominantly paler racial origins. The non-gamers are the ones who target videogames as culturally denigrating and lacking merit, and this will become just one more huge ball of fodder as it stands. Do we really want to give the uncultured one more reason to attack videogames as a bane of society?
That said, I'll say it again: Japan has a very, very, very racist culture. Not so much intentionally in regards to blacks, as American culture once was (and still is to disturbing extents), but due to homogeny and homogeneity. In other words, because there is basically only one race in Japan, and it has always been thus historically, and wars with outside nations entrenched a superiority complex over other races, Japan and other similarly non-diverse nations tend to view everyone else as inferior; and Japan in particular teaches its superiority as a race and a nation.
Unfortunately, Japan in particular also generally considers blacks sub-human (in huge part because of American television and movie depictions). I say "unfortunately" because, as others have already noted, in all their cultural products--such as videogames--there is in general some level of racism whenever blacks are depicted; often severe, and not necessarily as innocent as some of us may think but certainly in ignorance of sensitivity to such issues.
Japanese culture, experienced up close, is too often snide and derogatory toward blacks, and tends to consider them similarly to the animals slave-owners deemed them, as less than all other races. It is far too likely this newest product does in fact portray the Africans (even when not zombified) in a negative (stereotypical) light, however unintentionally or unknowingly, and the anti-gamers will jump on that like a feeding frenzy.
The racism in games is only one evidence of this cultural understanding deficit common in Japan and other such insular regions (including backwoods and other areas in the U.S.), but it is a huge problem. If you've ever seen what happens when people of different origins who aren't pale and blond hit Japan, you'll understand. The people in Japan are very kind, well-meaning, and generous toward strangers, no matter color, and many of them are educated or simply generous enough not to believe the hype that blacks are less than other people.
But the culture as a whole is full of racist pretentions and predispositions; there is a hierarchy of race at which their own culture is on top but the blond-haired-blue-eyed hero stereotype is somewhat revered, striven toward; and blacks are basically at the bottom, below even Koreans who are frequently hated as (literally) smaller-brained enemies. Some individuals see past this or are willing to suspend the learned racial categorizing, but many simply believe those to be truth even though they won't flaunt that belief (too concerned with social harmony to openly disrupt it) and instead speak of it under their breath.
But even those who do see past the racial stereotypes run into the same problems all people face: we don't understand people who aren't like us, so we may consider media or other people's experiences as the definitive source for portraying these unknowns. And Japanese culture can seriously buy into the Aryan (blue-eyed, blond-haired or even red-haired, but always white) superiority subtly and blatantly portrayed in (particularly American) media.
No matter how much we as gamers see the ridiculousness of claims this is a racist product, if there are no cultural experts working with the Japanese company making this game, there will most likely be ample ammunition for the videogame critics in this game's innocently-stereotypical depictions of blacks.
Even as a Capcom/RE fan, it's impossible to overlook the obviously racist overtones present in the trailer, intentional or not. It doesn't matter that the game will most likely clarify the objectives present with a story involving zombies/Las Plagas/whatever, but the fact remains that anyone capable of simple deduction can see some seriously wrong things happening here.
Someone unfamiliar with the series (most likely the blogger in question) will only know this game by its trailer for the time being. And its trailer depicts a handsome white dude punching and shooting black people who barely resemble anything inhuman.
Shame on all of you who intend to throw this back at her by reversing the race card. It's a dirty tactic, and one you assuredly wouldn't be using had the retort been face to face.
Capcom should know better than this.
1. The African woman's blog should be treated just like any other comments made about video games from people that don't know anything about them, disregard them. I liken her comments to those that claim that video games cause kids to shoot up schools; misguided and misplaced. No part of this woman's blog has any merit.
2. It's funny how topics about race, regardless of the forum or topic, always amount to a bunch of name calling. Making blanket statements ("all black people", "these people") don't get you anywhere. And if you need to insert the word "I'm not racist" into your comments you need to reevaluate your thought process. Race is a myth, and the sooner that we stop evaluating each other by these "standards" the better off we will be. There is only one kind of race and seems by some the comments here that some of you are stuck in last place.
Yes dear, I'm sure, you can run along and play with your Freeper/Stormfront friends now.
I am proud.
But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?
Now watch, I’ll be a racist for posting this "
Yep, pretty much. Or at least you certainly sound like one.
RE4 was set in a "Spanish" location with a bunch of Hispanic zombies yelling Spanish while trying to kill Leon the White Guy.
Did you see an uproar from the Hispanic community about this? No. Just some food for thought.
It is a setting for a game... shall we give Chris a deep tan and a Hawaiian shirt? Will that mellow this out a bit more?
funny how the second it's all of a sudden black people being the target, they all get all pussyhurt and start whining.
Ironic how in GTA:SA it was a black guy killing white people but you didn't see some uprising.
Of course it's racist black people.
It's an old and tired complaint, and they need to get the fuck over it.
P.S. I've been with my girlfriend for awhile now, so thanks for the concern - I'm doing quite fine actually.
BET
Black Caucus
United Negro College Fund
Racist:
Spike (It has some connection to Spike Lee for some people, which means it's makeing fun of blacks. Therefore, racist.)
White Caucus
Any fund that would be whites only.
Welcome to the world of double standards. This whole mess about RE5 is thanks to the PC aholes on capital hill.
The game isn't racist, this lady pulled things completely out of context, and her argument was ill-informed and oversensitive.
The gaming community's response, as a whole, has been vile.
Damn, it's been ugly here today.
Sensationalism sells, but in this case I think our side is sending the wrong sensationalist message. The sheer number of posts bespeaks to some serious underlying hatred, not toward blacks so much as censorship. I think after the Manhunt 2 ban people are on edge and this bitch lit the match.
@Everyone Else
As of right now, Black Looks no longer comes up. I think you guys finally sent her to bandwidth hell*.
*See earlier post
Actually, I think it would be fair to say Japan is a highly racist society, but as they are more or less racially homogenous, it does little internal harm.
And I strongly agree with the people who think some poster's reactionary attitudes are problematic. The original author didn't do her homework and went way overboard in making her point, but that doesn't mean her concerns should be dismissed as they were still based on something real: the trailer. Basically, she had problems that went beyond the misconceptions. Some posters seem to completely dismiss her point of view as well as the whole idea of racism and a few think tossing around racial slurs is somehow beneficial to this discussion.
And it's pathetic.
Thanks for ruining the black people's image even moreso.
And there's another N-word instance for Dennis to have to delete. *sigh*
I think we need a mood-lightener, and this one is actually pretty topical.
http://fanboys-online.com/index.php?cid=74
Racist pigs, indeed. :)
Find something else to bitch about you idiots, this has grown old a long time ago.
Yup, must be those damn racist blacks. Not your own latent racial bias showing through when you dismiss an entire ethnic group as "pathetic" at *all*.
Fucking-A, I suppose you wonder why women never give you their number when you use the line "are you an angel, or do you just have a great ass?" too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_T._Anderson
You know, you'd be hard-pressed to convince me that any of the people spouting racist trash on here are actually racist. Chances are they're just idiots looking to rile up as many people as they can - just like Platt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokemon#Racism
Another incidence of "unintentional racism" (as some would call it) by the Japanese, the Pokémon Jynx's original design, meant to parody a weird fashion trend in Japan at the time, was taken by some reactionaries to instead represent a person in blackface. Without bothering to look into what the Pokémon was actually based on, they screamed until Game Freak, the game's creators, were forced to change the Pokémon's color scheme. In addition, the Pokémon did not appear in the related anime for a long time afterward, and episodes showing the original-colored Jynx are no longer shown. all because someone overreacted and cried "RACIST!".
Let's face it, the Japanese often don't recognize things that extreme black activists might take offense to, because they don't live in a country where said activists scream their heads off every time there's a slight controversy involving a person of African descent. And I think that's a good thing: their view is much less influenced by race as ours is, and I wish our perspective was more like theirs.
link
He's a Klan member, practically. Not the N-word... but close. Just find him, I'm sure you'll want to delete him.
Well, Eric Greene has nothing to complain about now. His article looks barely touched in comparison.
And now we know what issue will get even the lurking gamers out into the sunlight to make comments.
Wow! Over 400 comments in one day. And, so far, not even 1 by you-know-who.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
It's just like makin fun of somone for bein black and getting in so much shit, but they call white people cracker and insults against our race everyday so fuck this RETARTED 1-WAY BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who complains about one Caucasian shooting another?
Why are you railing on carbonatedgravy? He's done nothing wrong, and to instantly assume he has "heavy white guilt" (a racist thing to say in itself) is absurd.
In fact, I feel much the same way that he does, with two key distinctions:
First, I'm not embarrassed that the people spouting this racist filth are the same race as me; I'm embarrassed that they belong to the same SPECIES.
Second, I'm not going to apologize. I never apologize on behalf of anyone but myself, and as I haven't done anything wrong, I feel no need to make amends.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/804/804424p1.html
Chris Redfield is not shooting zombies.
Unfortunately that was no joke, it's reality.
They're just trolls. It's fun feeding them from time to time, but if they really bother you, just ignore them and they'll go away.
Thanks for taking your obvious heavy white guilt and apologizing on my behalf and every other white on this forum. Where would we be without guys like you. In a better place maybe.
@ A Black Guy
So instead of apologizing and admitting your wrong you state why you got mad and justified it because of your past experiences. Would you like ME to share my experiences with blacks from the low income neighborhood I grew up in (sorry, we aren't all privileged with jobs and middle class suburban homes)? Would I be "racist" because those experiences are mostly negative and my resulting statements would reflect that? or would you prefer we all be showing phony deference like mister Carbonatedgravy here and act like mewling Don Knotts types until some vague future time when you feel "payback" is complete? Get over the fact that there are assholes at every turn and learn how to deal with it. No one owes you respect until you earn it.
if a black person shoots a white person its fine, flip it around and we have a problem.
Except that it's a continuation of past Resident Evil games, using the same protagonist. They can't just turn him black. Even if it was a stand-alone game, though, changing the protagonist to make him black would just create more problems, including accusations of pandering to *insert rival faction here*.
It's very annoying that this sort of attitude crops up so often in the gaming community, be it about race, gender, or sexual preference, there seems to be a hair trigger for many game enthusiasts (hopefully because most of them online are very young and don't have the expirence in life to relly empathise with others) to go off in a tirade about "reverse descrimination", or how "that bitch just doesn't get gamers", or that so and so charactor "sucks because he's a fag".
It is very...annoying...to say the least. (especially if you happen to fall into one of those oft-derided groups)
Uh...what's that supposed to mean?
In RE4, there were subtle hints that gave the player the idea that the villagers you fight are inhuman and sort of zombie like and creepy.
In RE5, it doesn’t give that impression. It says “Black dudes vs white guy” instead of “Zombies vs a guy.” I think all Capcom needs to do is make the zombies a bit more obvious, because to anyone who NEVER played RE before, it looks more like a white guy gunning down hordes of Africans. "
I don't know if you know this or not but the game isn't out yet. You had "subtle hints" in RE4 because you were playing it, your watching the trailer now and they don't have time to try and slowly show you that people are infected with las plagas. They need to get to the point quick. Second thing is, did any white people complain when the zombies and las plagas were white in EVERY OTHER RESIDENT EVIL game? No. Why is it a big deal now then? Should there be no black people in a game set in Africa then? That would probably get you even more upset. This is a total non issue that everyone is making their cause for no reason. BREAKING NEWS: People in Africa are black. So the setting is in Africa and the people are African and the game is about zombies, I don't know if you can put 2 and 2 together but that means that the zombies will be black in this game.
If you are going to post here pelase lay off the sailor talk and the n-word, it's not helping, in fact it makes us here look genuinely racist
Before you comment on no black characters in the game you might want to familiarize yourself with the entire collection of Resident Evil games. =) Just a thought, ya know to make your opinion credible.
Why should it be a requirement for a black person to be in the game? Isn't that kind of racist too? Saying every story you write has to have a black main character or else its racist. Kind of silly if you ask me. Of course I think most arguements on racism is silly because rarely does one have a legitimate point... unless your speaking against hate groups then its a bit different.
Grand theft auto San Andreas has a black protagonist.
Also, posters complaining about not being about to use the n-word are idiots. I can't emphasize that enough.
It is in my opinion however, that a zombie is no longer nor should be considered a human being, thus the race of a zombie is irrelevant.
What about the Erudites in Everquest? Or Barret in Final Fantasy VII?
Alyx from Half-Life 2 isn't a playable character but she is a rather prominent character, and her father Eli Vance is one of the top scientists.
you are exactly the reason why this is happening.
The developers are japanese, I am within a multicultural society, there is no undue violence to african people in this game, it is very clear the african people causing the riot are infected with the T-Virus (Which now infects africa). A black police officer dies in RE2 after infection as does another in the movie. Lets not forget for at least 3-4-5 games it was white people dying.
We have age ratings in my country backed up by law.
This is a case of the blog in question crying foul and making themselves unequal just for the sake of it.. if they had played the game they would of known the story and wouldn't of made the post period.
Stop caring about race so much.
And these games are NOT marked towards children. On the box of all the Resident Evil it clearly states 'M' for mature audiences. So children should not be allowed to access the game.
I do believe that the purpose of a company is to make money not inspire "fearing, hating, and destroying Black people."
If this group were to have its way then what would change the white man to a black man, would the horde of people be Caucasian, Asian, or Mexican, instead of black....but then wouldn't that be racism, towards those groups?
When the video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" came out I did not hear an out cry from this group when it allowed for the mass killing of people. So apparently it is only racism when African Americans are being "victimized" by a white male.
When did i say it was a requirement to have black ppl in a game. all i said is that there are barely next to no black main characters in games. it always seems that ppl of colour are not as important when it comes to gaming
this person probably just saw the trailer, not knowing whats going on, and the only thing she saw was a man killing Africans, not how they change into zombies and how all of them attack him.
ALL a really have to say is, is PLEASE shut up!! this is a highly anticipated game and we don't need a troublesome person like you to delay the game!
you are exactly the reason why this is happening.
I mean really, it's damn video game.
Shush.
Yeah, poor whitey, the man's always keepin' him down.
:rolleyes:
and i dont think the game is marketed towards kids! M ratings are not for kids! what a dumbass!
tell this bitch to stop being a baby and suck it up!
people like her make me sick!
::sarcasm::
Really guys its a game, its located in africa and its about zombies. Whats the big deal?
Won't somebody please think of the Living-Impaired-Africans?
Lets stop thinking everything is racist and progress into the 21st century. Leave the race-baiting behind.
Black people being killed in a game set in Africa??
IT'S A WHITE POWER PLOT. DUH
Should we make them all grey?
What ever stupid woman wrote this needs to go fall down some stairs or something. Knock some sense into her.
It would die if we'd leave it alone so that it COULD die. Let it die Kym. Every time you stir the pot, you are personally responsible for unearthing the proud few ignorant racists out there.
I wonder where the civil rights advocates were for the white and spanish zombies killed in the past.
These people need to solve some real problems. I hope it trains my kids to kill black zombies,...i'll blow their gray matter all over the wall if I ever see one,...just the same as I would any other colored variety of zombie.
The only good zombie,...is a dead zombie,...charbroiled or not.
Poor zombies. All they want is some food.
"You call them African Zombies, we call them voters."
There's the problem.
"the fact that this video game is marketed to children and young adults. Start them young… fearing, hating, and destroying Black people."
It isn't marketed to children. I don't know whether this woman is over senstitive or deliberately using the "children" card to try and get the game banned. Either way, she comes across as misinformed and uneducated.
She's expressing her opinion - from what I skimmed a fairly ignorant one, but in some ways an understandable one - and she did it partially because she's genuinely concerned (racism totally does still exist) and she was also probably hoping to get some attention for her blog. So, like flies on ... compost... the gaming community knee jerks back and the a-holes get some attention for themselves. Now people will step in and use this molehill to make a mountain for their own gain.
Yay Internet!
Ban all the games where you fight russians! Coz thats just freaking racist!
But i dont coz i dont give a crap! i think its time that we stop taking things personaly.
Is just downright ignorant.
Look on the digg about the 2 heatsinks for the elite, you'll see what I mean.
I'm the guy getting all worked up about people making racist comments.
I don't however feel like Resident Evil 5 has any implications of racism.
They happen to be in Africa, those are simply the people who live there and are infected.
Fuck!!!
People take offense when none is meant, and turn around and act like idiots and offend other on purpose.
What is up with this world?
Grow up.
Jesus fucking ass, you've got OVER 200 comments featuring boarderline mysonginist and racist insults. If only the article writer were gay!, then we'd have the full trifecta of negetive gamerboy steryotypes represented here!
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! FEEL THE POORLY CONCEALED HATE!!!