Tough Love? Hollywood Reporter Examines ESRB - 3D Realms Dust-up
Tough Love? Hollywood Reporter Examines ESRB - 3D Realms Dust-up
August 2, 2007
Recently, GamePolitics and other sites reported on 3D Realms CEO Scott Miller's harsh criticism of the ESRB over the rating body's demand that the company's website bring content descriptors and rating icons into line with current standards.Among Miller's comments at the time:
I think [the ESRB] came off like a school yard bully, rather than an industry partner. Why all the threats right off the bat? If the ESRB people know what was being said about them in underground channels, so to speak, they’d see that their antics have caused them much loss of faith as an industry leader.
Paul Hyman of the Hollywood Reporter follows up on the controversy, including a shot in Miller's direction fired by ESRB president Patricia Vance:
It's unfortunate that Mr. Miller's feelings were hurt, but let's be clear. The ESRB is the self-regulatory body for the video game industry. We were established by the industry and we simply enforce the rules and guidelines that the industry has imposed upon itself... We created a standard notice by which to do so, and that's precisely what Mr. Miller received...
Many other companies have received similar notices over the years and not one of them has ever complained about their tone... We're hardly the heavy-handed bullies that Mr. Miller is painting us as. Tough love might be a better way to describe it.
The Hollywood Reporter's Hyman writes:
It would seem that the ESRB may be caught between a rock and a hard place, industry observers note - if it fails to enforce its regulations, critics take it to task; if it enforces the rules, the industry balks.
Hal Halpin, president of the Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA) expressed sympathy for both parties:
I can see how the same correspondence to a developer who may not have on-staff council could be interpreted more harshly in tone than intended, as seems the case here. Honestly, I believe this is more a case of that than anything with malice.
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Posted 08/28/08 at 10:03pm
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: right? ack sorry for the long windedness ><
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: right? ack sorry for the long windedness ><
Posted 08/28/08 at 10:02pm
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign:infrastructure, let the states deal with the millions on disability or SSI let states run shanty towns for the great unwashed masses and all the death and disease that will ensue, as long as the middle and rich pay less taxes who cares righ
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign:infrastructure, let the states deal with the millions on disability or SSI let states run shanty towns for the great unwashed masses and all the death and disease that will ensue, as long as the middle and rich pay less taxes who cares righ
Posted 08/28/08 at 10:00pm
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign:classes, thus government has to regulate business to ensure its not raping the populace and try and get business to aid the lower classes somehow. If government cannot do this then it should go back to worrying about the border and infrast
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign:classes, thus government has to regulate business to ensure its not raping the populace and try and get business to aid the lower classes somehow. If government cannot do this then it should go back to worrying about the border and infrast
Posted 08/28/08 at 10:00pm
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign:cost of ignoring millions because they do not have to not take a loss on the grotesque, Government by default has to regulate business because business is becoming larger than it and its damaging government indirectly by ignoring the lower
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign:cost of ignoring millions because they do not have to not take a loss on the grotesque, Government by default has to regulate business because business is becoming larger than it and its damaging government indirectly by ignoring the lower
Posted 08/28/08 at 09:59pm
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign:"Competitive market" is a misnomer as well, in a blind capitalistic setup it creates conglomerates that seek to maxize profit by raising cost on the end user, "profiteering" is a inherent issue when they can make grotesque profit at the co
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign:"Competitive market" is a misnomer as well, in a blind capitalistic setup it creates conglomerates that seek to maxize profit by raising cost on the end user, "profiteering" is a inherent issue when they can make grotesque profit at the co
Posted 08/28/08 at 09:26pm
HarmlessBunny: http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/2008/08/28/election-postmortem.aspx#comment-132072 There we go for you Mattie 5
HarmlessBunny: http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/2008/08/28/election-postmortem.aspx#comment-132072 There we go for you Mattie 5
Posted 08/28/08 at 08:50pm
Mattie: @Harmeless Bunny- Could you post the link? I'm having trouble finding it.
Mattie: @Harmeless Bunny- Could you post the link? I'm having trouble finding it.
Posted 08/28/08 at 06:50pm
Tarosan: The truth hurts a lot... a whole lot but then again he's already fucked
Tarosan: The truth hurts a lot... a whole lot but then again he's already fucked
Posted 08/28/08 at 06:49pm
Tarosan: LOL he's attacking a newly elected Judge for calling him unprofessional
Tarosan: LOL he's attacking a newly elected Judge for calling him unprofessional
Posted 08/28/08 at 06:18pm
Mech: Dark Sovereign, you are sorely in need of an economics lesson.
Mech: Dark Sovereign, you are sorely in need of an economics lesson.
Posted 08/28/08 at 05:14pm
HarmlessBunny: Woot! JT is now attacking the newly elected Judge's in Florida. Guess he thought he could use more enemies :P Checking the JAAblog is addictive to watch lol.
HarmlessBunny: Woot! JT is now attacking the newly elected Judge's in Florida. Guess he thought he could use more enemies :P Checking the JAAblog is addictive to watch lol.
Posted 08/28/08 at 05:01pm
Dark Sovereign: @scribe: There is still no adequate reason for the government to run healthcare.
Dark Sovereign: @scribe: There is still no adequate reason for the government to run healthcare.
Posted 08/28/08 at 04:57pm
E. Zachary Knight: I agree that the awards in many cases are to much.I admit that healthcare is complicated and it is hard to find the right formula.
E. Zachary Knight: I agree that the awards in many cases are to much.I admit that healthcare is complicated and it is hard to find the right formula.
Posted 08/28/08 at 04:56pm
E. Zachary Knight: Darn Dennis for flying to PAX today. I wanted some news.
E. Zachary Knight: Darn Dennis for flying to PAX today. I wanted some news.
Posted 08/28/08 at 04:17pm
scribe999: in terms of malpractice and negligence. Tort reform is something I do happen to agree with.
scribe999: in terms of malpractice and negligence. Tort reform is something I do happen to agree with.
Posted 08/28/08 at 04:16pm
scribe999: civil regulations are still regulations. and a major argument for why healtchare is so expensive is the ease of legal recourse
scribe999: civil regulations are still regulations. and a major argument for why healtchare is so expensive is the ease of legal recourse
Posted 08/28/08 at 04:07pm
E. Zachary Knight: If a healthcare provider was neglegent in their duties they could be sued for that neglegence.
E. Zachary Knight: If a healthcare provider was neglegent in their duties they could be sued for that neglegence.
Posted 08/28/08 at 04:07pm
E. Zachary Knight: I am talking more of civil court. Not criminal.
E. Zachary Knight: I am talking more of civil court. Not criminal.
Posted 08/28/08 at 04:06pm
scribe999: just a gap in what you wrote EZK...how does a judicial system enforce regulations without regulations already in place.
scribe999: just a gap in what you wrote EZK...how does a judicial system enforce regulations without regulations already in place.
Posted 08/28/08 at 04:05pm
E. Zachary Knight: where did I say the judicial system would write legislation?
E. Zachary Knight: where did I say the judicial system would write legislation?
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E10 is for content thats harder than 6 but softer than PG13,a good example Final Fantasy 6,if you take the gore out of Metroid prime and tone it done sut a lil it would fall into E10.
E10 is a good middle ground between kid and teen,and sadly we need a good middle ground between mature and "porn".
In the Article they are quoted as saying that the have not ever dealt with the ESRB personally. They said that the publisher always did that part.
they are the publisher for all their games.
Besides, anyone with half a brain who takes 15 seconds to read the labels is not going to be confused by the ESRB ratings.
The Central Scrutinizer -- aka: Wolfeman
Games are the chosen media to get no respect they are packed into stores and hidden away behind glass because kids might steal them, and if they put them out like DVDs they would lose profits from the loss of space that could go to sale you crap you don't really need.
Now at EB and GS they have to protect the lil ones form the big bad M games so they somehow gain face from doing this...*rolls eyes*.
However, I don't recall Manhunt 2 being banned, I just recall an inept company such as Rockstar deciding to cave into pressure to edit it, instead of releasing it on PC uncut, and thus getting around all the red tape.
so they can continue to tease us with a game that will never be?
She's hot, all right. What makes her hotter is that she's "in leagues with the game industry" as He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named would say.
I have no doubt they are not ignorant of the ratings agreement. I think they are just making a stink over it, because of recent events. This is getting them free publicity.
Quick Check of Mobygames.com shows they only published 3 games and they also produced Prey a more recent game so they had to of known something about the process.
Then they lie, because the list themselves as the publisher on most of their games.
And not take 10 years plus to develop them?
The wife and I want to see it taken a step further and have more uniformity in the way video games are served up in the stores. I can easily browse a genre of a book, cd, or movie yet why is it I can not peruse game genres I want at EB or god forbid, target/kmart/walmart ?? They way the shelve and organize the things is ridiculous. Forget about it if its behind locked glass.
The ESRB were CREATED to be between a rock and a hard place, that's where they live, as it were.
Personally, I agree with Hal's opinion on this, because there's limited 'buffer' between contact point and company head, there's none of the administrative filtering that normally takes place. Official letters are often worded like this, but the Company Head is usually informed by a department head or the like, and doesn't see the actual wording of the Email.
As for 'The Underground Opinion', whilst I feel the ESRB isn't perfect, and sometimes says or does things I don't agree with (and are therefore, obviously, wrong ;)), it should be noted that the Internet hates everyone.
Wrong article bud ;)
everyone needs to get over this whole "AO is for sex only" idiocy.
Brokenscope is right. They did not go to their site and say, "Hey you have unrated games here. You need to fix that or else." they said, "The rating symbols you are using on these games are out of date. Use the most up to date symbols."
Do you understand better?
Yes, the esrb has trademarked symbols, if you use those symbols, you follow certain guidelines as part of the agreement. Its called a contract.
They told them that they needed to update the ratings information on certain games. That is all.
I think this would also solve the AO rating problem because most AO games that arent sexual in nature, like Manhunt 2, will become R and as such not be banned from stores. T will mostly become PG-13, E will become G and E+10 will become PG. Simple and easy.
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_process.jsp
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp
I think it is pretty simple, I also think its important to realize, that any rating will be an opinion. All the "scientific" things that determine violence in a game that I have seen consider Pac-Man Violent.
I don't recall the letter in question saying anything heavy handed. It just said: "You need to do this. You have X amount of time to comply." If I get into trouble, I'd sure like to know how much time I have to rectify it. You say they don't need a time limit on this kind of thing? I say they do. If they didn't then the warning would hold no weight.
@ theninja
While I hate a few of the content descriptors, like 'comic mischief' or 'simulated gambling', I generally support the ESRB's ratings. I find most games are properly rated as far as the rating. I've totally missed some of the content that is supposedly in a few games, like 'tobacco use'. I believe this is due to me being more interested in the actual game then whether this old wise man has a pipe.
The only rating I don't quite understand is the E10+ rating. How is this different then E? I've played E and E10+ rated games, and I can't see what the big difference is. As far as T and M rated games are concerned, I can tell the difference there fairly easily.
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