Okay, the sound quality could be better, but Eli here is making his voice heard nonetheless!
And he's right. There is plenty of room to question the use of Homeland Security personnel to raid mod chippers.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MZuLEiyVAIE
Monte: trolls are just at their absolute worst when it comes to women and feminist. You could bet good money that if the developer were male the trolls would be silent and the conversation would actually focus on the journalism.10/18/2014 - 9:18pm
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Monte: Papa: Not the first time we've had a journalism scandals before, but the harassment never got close to this level; the difference with this scandal is that feminists are involved. Without the feminist angle, their would be A LOT less harrassment10/18/2014 - 9:15pm
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Papa Midnight: Monte: That's honestly rather short-sighted. As has been proven with other persons who have been targeted, if it wasn't Quinn, it would be someone else.10/18/2014 - 6:26pm
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Avalongod: I think that's part of what gives an esoteric news story like this real life...it taps into a larger narrative about misogyny in society outside of games.10/18/2014 - 3:29pm
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Avalongod: @Monte, well the trolls made death threats that came to police (and media attention). I think this is tapping into a larger issue outside of games about how women are treated in society (like all the "real rape" stuff during the last election)10/18/2014 - 3:28pm
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Wonderkarp: Zippy : Havent tried the PS4 controller. might later.10/18/2014 - 2:37pm
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Monte: Seirously, If Quinn was not involved and GG was instead about something like the Mordor Marketing contracts, the trolling would have never grown so vile and disgusting. There have been plenty of movements in the past that never sufferred from behavior..10/18/2014 - 1:57pm
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Monte: We have seen scandel's before but the trolling has never been as vile as what we see with GG. Trolls usually have such a tiny voice you can barely notice them, but its like moths to a flame whenever femistist are involved.10/18/2014 - 1:53pm
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ZippyDSMlee: Wonderkarp: You might be able to if you had a PS4 controller.10/18/2014 - 1:00pm
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MaskedPixelante: http://store.steampowered.com/app/327940/ Night Dive starts charging for freeware.10/18/2014 - 12:21pm
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Matthew Wilson: the sad thing is there are trolls on both sides of this. people need to stop acting like their side is so pure.10/18/2014 - 12:19pm
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MechaTama31: So, only speak out on a scandal that hasn't attracted trolls? I wouldn't hold my breath...10/18/2014 - 10:49am
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Monte: I feel like GG just needs to die. The movement is FAR to tainted by hatred and BS for it to be useful for any conversation. Let GG die, and then rally behind the NEXT gaming journalism scandal, and start the conversation fresh.10/18/2014 - 10:33am
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quiknkold: and we dont have a Dovakin to call a cease fire10/17/2014 - 7:37pm
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quiknkold: The whole thing is Futile. Both sides are so buried deep in their trenchs that there isnt a conversation. Its just Finger Pointing, Name Calling, Doxxing, Threats. there needs to be a serious conversation, and GG isnt it.10/17/2014 - 7:37pm
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quiknkold: I thought it was a good article. Jeff is right. I feel like GamerGate did destroy its message. I am for Ethics in game journalism, but man. so much hate. and its on both sides. I've seen some awful stuff spewed on twitter. Its a big reason why I exited..10/17/2014 - 7:34pm
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Matthew Wilson: while he focused on gg, he did call out both sides crap.10/17/2014 - 7:18pm
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Papa Midnight: That was a damn good read offered by Jeff Gertsmann.10/17/2014 - 7:17pm
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Matthew Wilson: http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/letter-from-the-editor-10-17-2014/1100-5049/ deferentially a nice write up.10/17/2014 - 6:44pm
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james_fudge: I think Evan killed it. He's a great guy and super smart.10/17/2014 - 6:38pm
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Comments
Yes, perhaps they deserve to be paid more for the work they do, but as Clint Eastwood said in "Unforgiven", "Deserves got nothin' to do with it." This isn't a moral issue, it's an economical one. In a way, the illegals are making it tough on themselves. There are so many wanting to cross over that they have no bargaining power when it comes to negotiating for better pay. Also, don't forget that it is THEIR decision to come here. They're not as dumb as we think, they know the score.
"I also believe that the government is helpless to stop illegal immigration, so why bother."
Be careful here. Just because the government cannot COMPLETELY stop it doesn't mean it shouldn't TRY. The government can't completely stop domestic abuse, petty larceny, etc. either. And before you say they're not hurting anyone, check out illegal immigration on Wikipedia for a good summary of the debate. As far as taxes go, it's a good idea in theory, but under the current progressive tax system, people in the minimum wage bracket don't generate much government revenue. Indeed, much of it gets sent back due to the high number of exemptions (kids) they usually have.
My problem is that the general consensus of the gaming community is take the little money sinkhole the ICE has put toward these raids and throw it in the big money sinkholes: The war on drugs and the war on Mexicans.
Are you implying that issues should only be dealt with if they are inexpensive? Or that the limited monetary investment in executing raids against mod chip dealers somehow makes it more worthwhile? Do you really disagree that the money involved could have been better spent?
...all the sudden the country is at some imagined carry capacity and the white man is losing his place in the work force to illegals...
It has nothing to with population capacity. If you think that's the case, you are seriously unhinged. The same goes for the "white man" comment; it's not about race, it's about the law being broken and people without entitlement taking advantage of the system. They don't pay their dues, yet the reap the benefits. That seems right to you?
And playing the race card in this issue makes you about as bad as these "RE5 is intentionally racist" people. Grow up.
...ICE should not have the capacity for no-knock raids. Organizations [...] should not have the political sway to instigate said raids.
Sorry... was someone suggesting otherwise?
By saying issues like drugs and Mexicans are more important you are basically saying you support no-knock raids and would support continued government funding thereof.
Wait, so... by saying we don't approve of these mod chip raids and think ICE should be pursuing more worthwhile endeavors, we're actually saying we do support raids?
...what?
...bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.
My thoughts exactly.
And for the record, when I said I didn't know what your problem was, I was referring to the "that kid is ugly" comment. Way to fly off the handle.
First off, good job taking the time to make the video, even if you were serious about the T-shirt thing. Don't worry about the comments on your appearance too much, after all this is the Internet and you will run into that kind of immaturity sometimes.
"Also, I’m for Mexicans crossing the border. I think that they should get paid more for jobs that I wouldn’t personally do."
Have you been taught about skilled vs. unskilled labor at your high school yet? Essentially, that's why they don't get paid more. IMO, you shouldn't be advocating illegal immigration just because they'll do the shit jobs. Basically, you're saying that it's OK to break the law if the end justifies the means.
Truth be told, I'm only in it for the t-shirt.
My argument is that the ICE should not have the capacity for no-knock raids. Organizations like the MPA, MPAA, RIAA and ESA should not have the political sway to instigate said raids. The DEA... their assets should be sold and the money put to something not useless.
By saying issues like drugs and Mexicans are more important you are basically saying you support no-knock raids and would support continued government funding thereof. My take is "you (ICE, DEA) fucked up, now you get to go away forever." It seems nowadays the only thing our government is actually good at is wasting massive amounts of money in very short order.
Oh, and you aren't rich and more importantly can't vote, so no Republican will give a shit about you.
Can't you bypass the webcam mic? Set up a standalone mic or headset closer to you if possible. Age aside, if you make a valid question and pose it in a mature fashion, I'm all for it.
And ignore Zigs. I don't know what the hell his problem is.
that's a very pessimistic way to look at it, what i'm saying is even if they are on our side, agaisnt us, or are apathetic about the issue chances are pretty good that they haven't heard about the raids because it's not big news, nor is piracy and gaming at the top of most candidates list in terms of pressing issues (and it shouldn't be).
Since I couldn't hear the little shit I passed judgment on the video based on what was available. If he wants me to talk about him whining about mod chips he should invest in a fuckin' mic.
You know why I didn't comment on the appearance of any other contributors? I could hear them.
"Recently, Immigrations and Customs raided the homes of 14 video game modders. Many within the gaming community feel that with drugs and immigrants crossing the border every day unchecked, these raids are a waste of time. Do you feel that raids like these are justified? What are you willing to do about video game piracy?"
Chances are slim-to-nil, most of them are in it for the neglectful incompetent parents that make up middle class America, whereas this is more of a gamer issue. Or a big brother issue, depending on how you look at it.
Anyway, perhaps he should speak louder, because the combo of poor recording hardware and the likelihood of poor playback hardware, coupled with YouTube compression, makes the video rather useless, because instead of discussing the content, we only get people talking about the sound quality. Try a re-shoot. The video does have a valid question, but it gets lost in the presentation.
Alas, it will probably be swept under the carpet. But it was good.
I'm sure his state of 'ugliness' is deeply relevant in your worldview, but to me, your needless insult just makes anything else you say completely without merit.
-mw
I'm betting this one ends up in the recycle bin rather than the debate.
I have submitted one. I am wearing a shirt and tie. But it is nice to see the quality of questions rising though.
Where's one of our attorney posters when we need them?!