Gamer Debate Videos Gaining Momentum

So, he didn't tell people he had been advised of his rights. Stop the presses. By the way, you also said that video games have been marketed to children, especially when the average gamer is between 18-34, your speech is being shut down because you're always pulling stuff out of your ass, and contrary to popular belief, programming isn't easy and you can't always meet deadlines.

Oh, well, see you tomorrow.

The first and third video were good, the second and the fourth ask what laws the candidates would make...not good idea to lead them on like that.

Grahamr,
Out-bloody-standing point!

A lady previous did a video that could have been considered anti-video game, though it was rather respectful. That previous article generated a few posts too.

So who exactly is stopping John Bruce from doing the same thing? Is he afraid? Is he afraid of the criticism?

I mean, I'll openly admit I haven't because I don't have a video camera of any type and, as I've said before, have had crappy oral communication skills since I was a kid back in the '70s.

But John Bruce doesn't have the excuse of being afraid of being in front of a camera. And I suspect he either has a video camera or at least access to one. Maybe not, but it would be hard for me to believe he doesn't.

Again, out-bloody-standing point Grahamr.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software

"[Strauss Zelnick is] headed to trial in Alabama in January with all of his company’s assets on the line."

A. Without you at the helm, and
B. Unless T2 & the other defendants get Rule 56 summary judgment in their favor; I note Jack's continued hesistance to address that issue.

"One more thing, then I’m done here for the day."

I'll believe that when I see it.

Alright, back on topic: have any of these videos painted video game-specific legislation as shades of the "nanny state" that Republicans are (supposed to be) against? If not, I might have to break out the ol' webcam and submit a video of my own.

"Marketing adult games to kids is not free speech."
the thing is, Jack, adult games ARE NOT marketed to kids. The gamer demographic is well over the legal age, and that is to who these games are marketed. That is what the ESRB is for. Video Games aren't a kid's toy anymore.
See, kids aren't getting these games by means of them walking into a game store with 50 bucks. They are getting these games by parents who don't want to do the parenting, so to speak.
My mother is a gamer, and she and my father worked together to deem what was appropriate and inappropriate for me to play when i was a child. There was never a Mortal Kombat game in our household because my parents did their job. They continue doing their job for the sake of my little sister, 10 years old. They monitor her game time and also deem weather or not which games are inappropriate. If I bring a new game to my parents home, I have to show them the game package so that they can locate where the ESRB rating is.

Result? The only detention I ever got in my school career was not having a cover on my book. I know right from wrong.
Now that i am over 18 years of age and attempting to get a degree in Game and Simulation Programming, I am free to play whatever violent or sexual game I want. Allow me to say this: I still don't get the urge to do violent acts. Many of my friends, and my father, have said that I am the calmest person they know. I usually don't act up like this unless i feel that I've been extremely offfended.

Moving back to the off-track postings, in short, we don't want Goverment legistation. What we want is parents to start being parents.

One more thing, then I'm done here for the day. Kuehne had to comply with what is called a "McLain hearing" obligation. He has to disclose to all litigants that he has received a target letter. He never did that in the Bar matter. Big mistake.

You don't even know what a McLain hearing is, do you?

I so much appreciate the wish that I have a heart attack. Thanks, Dennis.

As to whether I'm insane. I'm not The Bar says so. Norm Kent pulled that stunt and it backfired. Go ask him about it.

Finally, as to who is gaining momentum in the video game world:

It's not Take-Two and it's not their self-proclaimed genius, Strauss Zelnick the new chairman. Manhunt 2 was a disaster because of him, GTA:IV is delayed because he's been too busy proclaiming murder simulators "fine art" to run the company, and he's headed to trial in Alabama in January with all of his company's assets on the line. Other than that, he's doing a fab job. Here's Take-Two's stock performance since this genius took over:
http://stocks.usatoday.com/custom/usatoday-com/html-quote.asp?symb=TTWO&...

"I’m certified sane, by the way, by The Bar. How about you? Jack Thompson"

I wonder if he realizes how that actually sounds. That means that he actually acted in such a crazy manner that he had to officially be tested to see if he was sane.

Funny, they haven't called me in to test my sanity. I must be acting in a somewhat normal capacity.

I like how this thread has suddenly derailed from the news story.
I think of it as very noble that gamers across the nation are picking up camcorders to ask the candidates of the upcoming 2008 election interesting questions concerning Video Game legislation, as they bring up valid points.

Now for the off-topic portion
@JT
1. "success"? where?
2. You never sleep eh? catch a few Z's, it may lessen your conspiracy hallucinations. Even better, I'll have a contest with you. We'll see who can resume a regular sleeping schedule first. So far I'm winning cuz at least im sleeping.

Sorry to pull semantics, but conspiricy theories are delusions not hallucinactions. We need to get these psychological terms straight when they revoke Jack's sanity.


Good to have you back by the way Jack, hope the heart problems are either better or entirely falsified. Its not the same without you making irrelevant, uninformed and often bigotous remarks against gaming/gamers/

Why dont you get yourself a life besides harassing gamers and games companies.

OK, ignoring the troll here (once again, Jack co-opts a story that has nothing whatsoever to do about him for his own self-aggrandizement. Really, he should be sued for harassment at this point), it's nice to see finally that there are gamers out there who are poilitcally aware and concerned.

BTW, notice how Jack gives absolutely NO credit to those who actually took the time to do all these videos. Flies in the face of his assertion that all gamers are apathetic slackers. Just goes to show how delusional he really is; he won't acknowledge evidence to the contrary even when it's staring him right in the face!

I remember having a discussion too with an ex boss who said gamers aren't motivated enough to care about such things. Nice to see this has proven him wrong too. :)

Still, I wish this could have been done for the Democratic debate. With the exception of Romey, the subject of gaming legislation does not seem to be on the radar of any of the candidates to my knowledge. Wheras we know the Dems - especially Hillary - have made a big issue about it. Obama touched on it a bit as well (and I liked his take on the issue). The only one who hasn't mentioned it is Edwards, but since he went out of his way to get a PS3 last year, I'm sure he's at least a little bit knowledgeable on the subject.

Still, I hope the Democratic candidates at least get wind of this and that they're watching as well.

Sorry to continue to derail this from the video story, but sometimes it's just so hard to resist correcting misrepresentations of law and fact:

"[Ben] Kuehne is a Bar Governor who continues to sit on grievance committees despite the assertion by the feds that he is likely a thief."

And, for that reason, Jack thinks he's entitled to some sort of relief--apparently somebody's forgotten that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing [of course, watch Jack try to turn that around and assert that the Florida Bar has, in fact, adjudged him guility, unethical and/or incompetent without having proven him to be so].

"Thompson is also seeking in the aforementioned lawsuit a declaratory judgment from the court that lawyers are allowed, under the First Amendment, to criticize judges. The Bar’s Rule prohibiting that is clearly unconstitutional."

Hmmm...let's see what the law has to say on that subject:

"The argument has frequently been advanced, and as frequently rejected by the courts, that the constitutional right of free speech precluded disciplinary action agaisnt attorneys based on criticism or abuse of the courts or jduges." 12 A.L.R. 3d 1412, sec. 3[b] (internal citations omitted).

"If, as suggested by my Brother FRANKFURTER, there runs through the principal opinion an intimation that a lawyer can invoke the constitutional right of free speech to immunize himself from even-handed discipline for proven unethical conduct, it is an intimation in which I do not join. A lawyer belongs to a profession with inherited standards of propriety and honor, which experience has shown necessary in a calling dedicated to the accomplishment of justice. He who would follow that calling must conform to those standards." In re Sawyer, 360 U.S. 622, 646 (1959) (Stewart, J. concurring).

Oops...back to square one on that whole argument.

It is said that people who don't want to take drug tests have something to hide.

What do you have to hide, John Bruce, by trying to avoid a psychiatric exam? A COMPLETE one, I might add. The previous one was limited, I have no doubt. Indeed, the reference to religion by the evaluator may imply a bias, even if the evaluator was chosen by the Bar. It may actually prove a biased incompetance on the part of the evaluator. The kind of evaluator that would judge the bigotry and hate of Fred Phelps to be "socially superior" or the religious justification of violence by Eric Rudolph to be "merely a strong Christian faith".

So, John Bruce, what do YOU have to hide? You want to PROVE your sanity? Have the APA itself, in committee format, test you. MOREOVER, introduce every single post (including the threads/articles you post in to show full context), every single email and other written correspondence (including the complete back and forth to show full context of your own comments as well as other's comments), and every case you've been interviewed on (including access to FULL resources available to all information on those cases as well as your own involvment). Everything. Leave nothing out. Alter nothing. As I always say: The Truth, The WHOLE Truth, and Nothing But the Truth. That's why I say both sides of a discussion or all the surrounding information so that the context of what you've said, written, or done can be totally evaluated properly.

Do it. Or you're just another version of a drug user screaming "Privacy Rights" in an attempt to avoid a drug test.7yuu

BTW, before you fire off a zing, I'd happily take a drug test any time of day or night, past or present, as I am exceptionally proud to never have used illegal drugs or abused legal ones. And, if I could track down all the data I mentioned above for myself, I'd happily take a similar psychological test that I mentioned you should take above.

Oh, and let's not forget your MRI and CAT scans. Especially during your "aggressive" times.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software

"Hey, Marlowe, good point. But I didn’t raise the issue. Norm Kent and The Bar did. Blame them. I’m certified sane, by the way, by The Bar. How about you? Jack Thompson"

You're doing everything in your power to avoid that psych evaluation. Try again, ace.

@ Jack Thompson

"You all here who think you are following this stuff really need to get your noses out of your cheat codes sheets and out of this silly “news” site,"

The same "silly "news" site" that you seem to be pathalogically addicted to posting on?

"Answers to questions: No, I never sleep."

Sleep deprivation can adversely effect brain function: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation

Side-effects can include:
Decreased mental activity - (fairly apparent in Thompson's behaviour)

Slurred and/or nonsensical speech - (apparent in all of his court documents)

Memory lapses / memory loss - (seems here he forgot he was kicked off the Alabama case...)

ADHD-like symptoms - (sending out press releases to anyone and everyone each time he does anything might be indicitive of this.

Hallucinations - (He believes everyone is out to get him)

General confusion - (apparent in his postings here, they are off topic, rambling and make no sense)

Irritability - (as evidenced in his insults)

Psychosis - (need I say more?)

I'd be inclined to believe he never sleeps...

Answers to questions: No, I never sleep. The early bird destroys the gamer worms.

Secondly, I have won most of my cases on these issues. Read my book, Ace.

Finally, our Take-Two case is set for trial in Alabama in January 2008, with the Alabama Supreme Court having agreed with me on the invalidity of the First Amendment defense.

You all here who think you are following this stuff really need to get your noses out of your cheat codes sheets and out of this silly "news" site, because there is an entire whole world out there in which you can learn what is really going on.

I'm on top of the world, and you wouldn't know. Hooah!

Jack Thompson

@ Jack Thompson
You would sound so much saner if you didn't seem to have the need to prove your sanity all the time.

"Successes" you say, Jack? I'm sorry, i promised myself i wouldn't use chat-speak to talk to you, or anyone, if i didn't have to or for any reason other than comedic means, but i will now, because it fits my arguement fully.

lol wut?

@JACK THOMPSON, HEARSE CHASER

In denial much Thompson. And we are not falling for your phone number trap. How fitting that the number of the beast is in that number by the way. Oh, forgot, you don't HAVE a sense of humor, because if you did, you wouldn't have did al lyou could to get out of that debt, wait, I forgot that's honor.

Practice what you preach Jack.

Turn off the computer, steps away from your desk, and get a life. No, not suing teenagers for idle threats over the phone, I mean a REAL life.

@Jack:

You're gaining momentum, alright, but not in the direction you think. In all fairness though, it's tough to tell where you're going with your head up your ass.

Regardless of whether the Bar made errors in the process of disciplining you is irrelevant, as are your pathetic stalling tactics. The bottom line is that your ass will eventually have to cash all those checks your big mouth has been writing for years, and we gamers won't be the only ones enjoying it.

@GP:

Good to see you take the gloves off every once in a while!

hahaha talking about the issue of Jacko I just recently seen looking through his history that a few month's ago he was after Wendy's fast food chain because they was having something to do with nintendo wii at the same time that Jacko was after Manhunt 2 when none of the wii items had anything to do with Manhunt 2. I am kind of new to this website and now I think that he is really messed up after seeing this Wendy's issue along with all this other recent stuff. It is amazing who could become an attorney these days. And by the way keep on defending the video games by hitting the presidential debates hard with your messages.

@GamePolitics:

Come now, we all love Jack... we may disagree with him, but he's just so adorably insane :)

The only person in this debate gaining momentum is the lovely, the irrepressible, the incredibly sane Jack Thompson:

Immediate News Release – August 10, 2007

Hearing to Be Held for Preliminary Injunction against The Florida Bar

Miami attorney Jack Thompson is pleased to announce that United States District Court Judge Adalberto Jordan will, within the next three weeks, convene a hearing in his Southern District courtroom.

The purpose of the hearing is to decide whether a preliminary injunction should be granted against The Florida Bar and Judge/Referee Dava Tunis for what Thompson alleges is an unconstitutional and illegal use of The Bar’s disciplinary system.

Thompson is facing a “disciplinary trial” the purpose of which is to punish him for his successes against the shock radio and violent video game industries, both of which filed SLAPP Bar complaints against Thompson as a “shoot the messenger” collateral attack. The video game industry commenced this approach immediately after Thompson appeared on CBS’ 60 Minutes with the great and now late Ed Bradley.

Legal authority for the injunction is to be found in the US Supreme Court case of Pulliam v. Allen, which, contrary to Greenberg Traurig’s brief, authorizes a federal court to shut down a state court action that violates federal constitutional guarantees of due process. You can read all about it at Case. No. 07-21256, Southern District of Florida.

One of The Bar’s many missteps to this hearing: The Bar has used as its “designated reviewer” for Thompson and ACLU ideologue by the name of Ben Kuehne, who has received a target letter from the US DOJ for alleged money laundering for the Medellin cocaine cartel. Kuehne never afforded Thompson the opportunity of what is called a “McLain hearing” to disclose his target letter to Thompson, which he should have done. Kuehne is a Bar Governor who continues to sit on grievance committees despite the assertion by the feds that he is likely a thief.

Thompson is also seeking in the aforementioned lawsuit a declaratory judgment from the court that lawyers are allowed, under the First Amendment, to criticize judges. The Bar’s Rule prohibiting that is clearly unconstitutional.

Contact Jack Thompson for more information on what may be an important court case affecting all lawyers at 305-666-4366.