
In July
GamePolitics reported that controversial Miami attorney Jack Thompson was under pressure from Florida Bar officials to undergo a psychiatric evaluation (see
Jack Thompson says FL Bar Official Demanded He Take Psych Test, Accept Suspension).
In documents filed Monday with the U.S. District Court in Florida where he has a pair of lawsuits in progress against the Bar, Thompson wrote that he pre-emptively saw a psychologist at his own expense. A six-page report from the PhD was filed with the court this morning. It reads in part:
The overall impression is that of a socially committed, and religiously devout man, of Superior Intellectual Functioning, who does not suffer from any major mental illness or impairment. He is deeply committed to personal betterment and social progress which he feels involves the regulation of exposure of minors to pornography, obscenity and violence.
Concerning the accusations that Mr. Thompson displays “obsession” with pornography, obscenity and/or violence presented to minors, Mr. Thompson does not report or display any of said obsessions. That is, his self-report, his clinical presentation and his relationships with his wife and two close personal friends reveal no evidence of fixation with pornography, obscenity and/or violence. To the extent that testing data may reveal such obsessions, there was no evidence of this theme in his ideation.
Mr. Thompson appears to be a thoughtful, prosocial and erudite man whose life is anchored, fortified and enriched by his Evangelical Christianity. I find no evidence that his faith distorts, clouds or impairs his personal or professional judgment.
While Mr. Thompson displays certain areas of personal distress and difficulty, such problem areas are well within the range from which attorneys can and do practice competently and even expertly.
Dr. Wunderman's report notes that it is focused exclusively on three specific areas:
- Does Thompson suffer from a mental illness or disorder that impairs his capacity to competently practice law?
- Is Thompson obsessed with the prosecution and limiting of pornography and obscenity?
- Is Thompson obsessed with curtailing violent video-games that are marketed to minors.
The report also addressed Thompson's combative style:
I asked Mr. Thompson about the hyperbole and sarcasm that I read in some of his motions/pleadings. He said that he realizes that he may have offended some with his ad hominem writings, and he will be more moderate in his writing style in the future.
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Doesn't clear the fact that he's a loser. Remember the Alabama case? Bully? Louisiana Bill? Utah Bill?
I wonder if the psychologist included all of Jack's Gamepolitics postings in his analysis?
BTW JT, I just bought my copy of BioShock. Oddly enough I don't feel the urge to turn people to ice and shatter them or start anything on fire. You jackass.
Nor is him being declared physiological incompetent something I would want to see happen. I want people to see Jack Thompson for the perfectly sane, lying, self-righteous hypocrite he is. Mental illness is something that deserves sympathy and understanding, Thompson deserves nether.
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Fortunately, sane people can still be consitently and severely wrong about all kinds of things.
What is with this propensity we have for wanting out foes and detractors to be nuts? We're not Batman, so it's not going to always be off to the asylum with them -- as fun as that would be.
Besides, we're labelling him as crazy for what? His juvenile and insulting behavior towards all gamers and his inablility to take any viewpoint other than his own as anything more than a joke? If that were the recipe for craziness, Thompson would be right in labelling most gamers insane... 'cause those traits are far from uncommon.
p.s. Try not to choke on your constanly wagging tongue Jackie-boy.
COMMUNISTS, I SEE COMMUNISTS.
Another court-appointed psychiatrist will evaluate you again for court with different criteria's that will have to do with the case instead of a general behavior evaluation like you just passed. The case is just starting and you're not out of the woods yet. Now choke on your Hooah's and brace yourself for what's rightfully coming for you.
actually, untill JT blows himself up in a Gamestop or at e3, hes not quite the same as the muslims.
The court will likely appoint an independent psychiatrist rather than take the word of one you paid for, regardless of his standing with the Bar, to avoid conflict of interest.
If I say I hate religious fanatics, it's because to me JT is no different from David Koresh, Jim Jones or the Muslims who blow themselves up in the name of Allah. They are hellbent on forcing their religion and morality down other people's throats whether they want it or not and they don't care if they kill a few people or infringe on other's rights to do it.
I don't use the word hate lightly. I've had firsthand experience with these people. They brainwashed and manipulated me emotionally. They preached peace and love and forgiveness out of one side of their mouths, but the other side revealed intolerance and bigotry. They have condemned and been trying to take away everything I liked or had an interest in; whether it was video games, Heavy Metal music, sex, D&D or whatever. I hate them for what they did to me, I hate them for lying to me and I hate their smug moral arrogance and superiorty. JT is one of many examples, but he's the most visible.
The difference between science and religion is that science allows for theories to be disproven if a better explanation comes along. It is not dogma. It is not "holy writ" unlike religion which has vigorously contested and tried to suppress and stifle any scientific advancement. Look at what the church did to Galileo for instance. If they had their way, we would still be thinking Earth was the center of the universe!
Religion is control, plain and simple. JT is a living embodiment of this as he uses his faith as a justifaction to tell people what they should and shouldn't do and that's not right. In a perfect world, religion should be for spiritual advancement and introspection, but more often than not it has been perverted into a justifaction for people to do all sorts of horrible things to one another. How many wars has science started?
I'll take science over religion any day, thank you very much.
P.S.: I'm getting BioShock in an hour, just try and stop me Jackie boy!
All this really means is that he deliberately, vindictively and knowingly broke the Bar rules on numerous occasions.
He doesn't need to report it, even a person with little computer skill can easily google the name "Jack Thompson" and see his zealot like acts upon the video game industry as a whole and his obscession with anything which gets pumped out from Take Two Interactive Software or one of their subsidiary companies...
" - Does Thompson suffer from a mental illness or disorder that impairs his capacity to competently practice law?"
Yes, it's called Extremist Obsessive Compulsory Activity (Not a real medical term). In other words, he's the equivalent of a troll with a license to practice law who jumps at the first sign of a game with even the slightest hint of violence or sexuality because it may "harm our children", yet the thing is rated M (Which means 17+).
Because some parent may buy this game for their kids, I can't play it because this zealot (and certain politicians) think it will harm our children? This is why I want a political party of nothing but gamers, organised by gamers, and run by gamers with legal representation and lobbyist whom are active gamers. Reason being? Somehow, they seem to be the only ones thinking clearly.
"- Is Thompson obsessed with the prosecution and limiting of pornography and obscenity?
- Is Thompson obsessed with curtailing violent video-games that are marketed to minors."
Yes on both counts. How so? Well, kind of hard to market something to minors when its been rated Mature (17!!!!) or in the case of Manhunt 2 and the formerly rated GTA: San Andreas, Adults Only (Which might as well mean it's banned). It's kind of difficult to market something when it can't even be sold in a retailer or even placed on a console...
"He said that he realizes that he may have offended some with his ad hominem writings, and he will be more moderate in his writing style in the future."
May have? Be more moderate?! I'll believe it when I see it!
"evangelical christian" eh? ya know what, I think I heard those crazys who protest military funerals use that same term.
i believe it
Don't you have anything better to do than pretend to be Jack?
That means anything that could impair him. So ANYTHING would (or should, at least) have been considered. That includes personality disorders. It doesn’t just mean things with a biological basis.
I didn't mean to say that those weren't tested for; rather that the only thing I was convinced of was him being cleared of clinical causes of impairment. I've met several people that were high function head cases. They had personality disorders, but that didn't really significantly impair their ability to do their jobs. So it's a bit of q question in my mind what the tester thought to be impacting Jack's professional practice, and what was just impacting personal areas.
However, SOMETHING should have come up in this testing that was a red flag.
I'm not saying that I doubt the effectiveness of the tests, nor that red flags weren't raised. Hell, from reading the report it's clear that a few were, just that they were in "personal areas". My concern is that the report is too narrowly focused, and that some information that would likely be relevant was withheld.
In short I'm suspicious that if the report were broadened, or the examiner provided with a clearer picture of Jack's behavior at various times, problems relevant to the Bar's concerns would be revealed.
All in all, at the very least, we can still agree that his practices are unethical, unreasonable. And, he can’t argue they should give his license back when he’s “well.”
Agreed. The kicker in all this is that being declared sane does nothing to excuse the actions that the Bar finds objectionable, whereas being declared to have a psych problem contributing to his behavior could be used to help with that.
Just closing the italics and would like to say that I don't care if he is sane or insane. He acts like a jerk and makes wildly unprofessional claims about those who don't agree with him and that affects his ability to practice law. For that he should be disbarred.
science-heres a theory do everything in your power to disprove it even if its not what humanity wants to hear.
religion-here a work of fiction from 2000+ years ago do everything in your power to prove everything about it is correct to please or brainwarshed followers.
Um, no, some religious people (like me) don't feel that everything about their sacred scriptures need be correct.
both are exact polar opposites they cannot co-exist in todays zealot environment.I don’t care really in what “invisible pink unicorns” folks
believe in but when they try and pass fiction on as some kind of fact
or shove draconian morals down our throats then it bothers me.
They can co-exist. The problem here is that the fundamentalists have so much public attention that people have forgotten not all religious people are anything like fundamentalists. If religion is restricted to things science can't answer (like philosophy), it's perfectly reasonable, although it's still not okay to force religious morals on other peple. But stop insisting that all religion is evil because of the fanatics.
Well Dennis as you should know by now Jack has a creepy, crazy hate/attraction to you. If you would have posted the entire thing he would have posted his disapproval and threatened you for invading his privacy. If you didn't post it, which you didn't, he would chide you for not posting the entire thing, which he did.
So it comes down to if you have a picture of Jack on the toilet, he will get mad at you if you post it, and mad at you if you don't post it.
Because despite what this doctor says, Jack is insane.
1. Jack Thompson is found mentally sound of mind and we continue on fighting him and his followers; as well as trying to prove that his work ethics are bad.
2. Jack Thompson is found to be mentally ill this would diminish the number of his followers greatly and we be fighting against those stragglers who still believe Thompson's theories.
Personally I want scenario two to happen because I think it would be a big win for gamers.
1. It is alleged that Mr. Thompson suffers from a mental illness or disorder that impairs his capacity to competently practice law.
That means anything that could impair him. So ANYTHING would (or should, at least) have been considered. That includes personality disorders. It doesn't just mean things with a biological basis.
What I'm basically saying is, this report is strong evidence in his favor for his sanity. By no means is it concrete however. Not to mention the fact that the measured factors were "within tolerances." All that means is that anything he exhibited as a symptom was sub-clinical.
Also, it doesn't say how many criteria he met for anything. He could be considered sane simply based on the fact that he met criteria for seven out of eleven symptoms for something when the requirement was eight out of eleven. I'm not talking in definites here. I'm not saying he's sane. I honestly wouldn't rule out a personality disorder either. The problem there is that personality disorders are so hard to catch. It isn't entirely uncommon for some to go undiagnosed for 5 or 10 years. However, SOMETHING should have come up in this testing that was a red flag.
I've studied a lot of these tests extensively. More than a lot of my peers. Hell, the MMPI was even designed mostly by my school. What I WILL say for certain is that there wasn't full disclosure to this doctor. I honestly don't hold Mr. Thompson accountable for that. There is entirely too much that could be analized.
All in all, at the very least, we can still agree that his practices are unethical, unreasonable. And, he can't argue they should give his license back when he's "well."
It's certainly a clever strategy on JT's part, but the Bar will still probably insist on its own review. It's unclear how much of a picture the shrink had of Jack's conduct, so it's hard to make that judgment.
As to posting the entire report, I have it, but it creeps me out to post someone's psych review. If JT wants to post it, fine - and I see that he has. Readers certainly got the flavor of it from what I wrote.
The thing with the AL judge, dunno. Jack is a spinner, so I want to read the transcript for myself.
First off, I'm sure that the Bar will recommend that the psychiatrist be given more material than simply what JT supplied. Sure, he may have undergone hours of tests, but some additional material will go a long way.
Secondly, cudos on keeping it mostly clean so far JT. Now, if only your attacks on GP's ethics, mental state, and journalistic integrity weren't ad hominem attacks, you'd have kept your word for nearly a day. I'm pretty certain that the good doctor would enjoy seeing how you're doing so far.
Lastly, I think it's fine if he's declared sane. That just makes it one less excuse for all the unprofessional conduct he's performed. Honestly, it makes far more sense from my point of view to disbar him for his behaviour itself, rather than trying to claim there's a reason beyond him simply being unprofessional and a disgrace to the profession.
I quote from the evaluation you posted:
"Privileged and Confidential: For Professional Usage Only"
That is why he did not link it.
Jack, you have been put on trial and found innocent of the claims of being two sandwiches short of a picnic. That much is reasonably true.
(Quick note: Let's not try to out-Jack him by formulating a conspiracy between he and Wunderman. That won't end well.)
But try to remember that you were put on trial in the first place. Your actions and attitude caused people to put into question your ability to do your job, and to do so to such a degree that they had to get an outside evaluator in to see if you were capable. The fact that he concluded in your favour is some consolation, but the fact that he was asked to analyse you in the first place should tell you something.
Assuming that Mr. Thompson isn't deliberately dropping an "s" from the relevant pronouns, it would seem that the Dr. Wunderman in question isn't the one identified by nightwng2000 however far up.
I do agree on one thing. This site is in painful need of comments moderation and a login. All these fake Jacks are annoying to deal with.
Once again, you prove to be incapable of taking responsibility for your own actions.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
While religion, even a dishonorable unethical religion, can coexist with any particular profession, it is clear that in this context, a conflict of interest, both in method of evaluation as well as the determining of results.
A far more proper and in depth evaluation should be required. And it should be done by someone who is not so clearly biased and has a clear conflict of interest in these matters.
Frankly, John Bruce, you've only proven just how dishonorable, unethical, and corrupt not only you are, but just how dishonorable, unethical, and corrupt some members of the mental health profession can be.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Thank you for posting that huge chunk of text. I'll be sure to honor yours and Dr. Wunderman's reputations by not reading it.
Regards,
Quad
P.S. You are boring.
No Jack. We won't deal with it. Unlike the American government which people have so many problems with but aren't wanting to take the necessary steps to change it other than to wait, the gaming community is largely informed about your internet and courtroom antics and we DO WANT CHANGE. JT you may not rest until you see results, but we the gamers won't stop until we see you put in your place. The case just fell apart? No nonono, this is the beginning of the end of your ridiculous display.
And when the day comes, I'll make a road trip picking up other gamers and donate video games and video game systems to place on your yard so that you can have something to play.
Huh, so by your own admission, Dr. Wunderman's analysis of you was incomplete, due to the omission of all your crazy rantings at the Bar, other lawyers, judges, news sites, etc. Guess it's worthless as a judge of whether you are an obsessed lunatic then.
I hardly see how Dr. Wunderman is supposed to analyze your mental capacity with regard to dealing with the law and conspiracies when he isn't shown any relevant documents.
Guess we'll just have to wait for a proper exam where the evidence isn't pre-screened by the man who's being analyzed...
Is gamers supposed to be an insult? Jack take you and your generation of religous extremists and stop interfering with the new world. We believe in the rights of people, and the rights of speech. And I for one, am damn proud to be a gamer
http://fanboys-online.com/index.php?cid=187
Enjoy.
From WP:
"In sending documents to opponents, Thompson would frequently attach a photocopy of his driver's license, with a photo of Batman pasted over his own, just to make sure they knew who they were dealing with."
"In October 2006, Thompson sent a letter to Midway Games, demanding they cease and desist selling the latest game in the Mortal Kombat series, Mortal Kombat: Armageddon, claiming that the game was illegally profiting on his likeness, because gamers could use the Kreate a Fighter option to make a character who looked like Jack Thompson.[77]"
There must be some definition of bizarre that I'm not getting...
Also, it would be best if you learned what an apology meant. You are practically trying to black mail Judge Moore for one, "Apologize, or I will..." is all that comes to mind from that little email there. It reminds me of the bullies in school, holding a kid up to a locker, threatening to beat them unless they hand over their lunch money. Again, for being this Crusader of Right and Wrong, of Everything that is Holy and the Good of the Children (Think of it as a title, like your Superior Intellectual Functioning appears to be), you are doing little more then tainting religion with your, and I shall use a certain word that I find rather amusing in your last paragraph there, rotten values.
And, just because I know I'm a porn crazed, serial killer in training, that wants nothing more then to spread such a thing to children: I agree entirely, kids should not be playing some games. However, that is not up to you, or the goverment. The last time I checked, parents are supposed to be the ones that raise their children, and even with such laws in place, if the parent feels the kid can play such a game, they will still get it. Nothing you do can change that, ever. Unless, of course, you honestly feel you are able to, which case I will have to say: Grow up. That is honestly the only thing that would come to mind from such actions.
I m surprised that this psychologist didnt even state any close association with any form of personality disorder. Judging all that I have seen on Jack Thompson he seems to have at least Schizoid, paranoid, or Schizotypal disorder. maybe not to the extreme to be hospitalized or cleared to be mentally ill but the point where it would be recognized that he has such instances of his personality going that way.
For all I know he could have schizoaffect, and well if he has that and has no outlet for dealing with stress, well he might just break down. Hmm maybe his outlet is to be a stupid asshole.
Well psychological evaluation or not he still has to face the florida bar. If this bar does not punish him in some way or form then for any wannabe lawyers out there (which maybe myself) lets pass the bar in florida. I bet we could get lie, cheat, steal, slander, deceive, and etc and still be able to practice law.
The thing is, we aren't judging Jack solely on the the basis of his online behavior. We're also judging him on his behavior in the legal system. That includes his conduct in court filings, his conduct in courts, and his behavior in regards to legislation he was supposed to be helping defend. There's also his behavior in public appearances in which he shows lack of debate skills when faced with pointed challenges.
Just so y'know.
Do you really think reading the WHOLE report is a very good eyecatching article.
Oh, how ironic it is that you are the one to complain about censorship.
Hooah!
for those who don't want to read a wall of text this is better way to explain it.
science-heres a theory do everything in your power to disprove it even if its not what humanity wants to hear.
religion-here a work of fiction from 2000+ years ago do everything in your power to prove everything about it is correct to please or brainwarshed followers.
both are exact polar opposites they cannot co-exist in todays zealot environment.I don't care really in what "invisible pink unicorns" folks
believe in but when they try and pass fiction on as some kind of fact
or shove draconian morals down our throats then it bothers me.
"[Jack] believes things like a child hanging himself was because of South Park, a show the child had never watched."
Did Kenny ever hang himself in South Park? The only time I recall him committing suicide was when he sacrificed himself to get a hospital's power generator online to save countless lives.
Why not a log in system for the comments, so people can be banned for faking, or trolling for that matter.
Jack has cleansed his act up a bit concerning his behaviour on the comments section. Still don't like what he stands for.
Wunderman & Wunderman, P.A.
Oren Wunderman, Ph.D. Terilee Wunderman, Ph.D. 7600 Red Road, Suite 222 Galloway Professional Center South Miami, Florida 33143 8600 S.W. 92nd Street, Suite 203 Licensed Psychologist (PY 3862) Miami, Florida 33156 Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist (MT 716) Licensed Psychologist (PY 4278)
Licensed Mental Health Counselor (MH 255) Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist (MT 914)
Phone: (305) 669-4490 Fax: (305) 385-7164 Phone: (305) 595-6633 Fax: (305) 385-7164
FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION
Privileged and Confidential: For Professional Usage Only
Patient Name: Thompson, John (A.K.A. “Jack” Thompson)
Date of birth: July 25, 1951
Age: 56 Years Old
Dates of Evaluation: August 6, 2007, August 16, 2007 & August 18, 2007
Date of Report: August 20, 2007
Reason for Referral and Presenting Circumstances
Mr. Thompson is an attorney licensed in the State of Florida to practice law. The Florida Bar is currently investigating Mr. Thompson concerning the following allegations made by The Bar and several of Mr. Thompson’s legal adversaries:
1. It is alleged that Mr. Thompson suffers from a mental illness or disorder that impairs his capacity to competently practice law.
2. It is alleged that Mr. Thompson is “obsessed” with the prosecution and limiting of pornography and obscenity, a subject about which he has filed formal complaints.
3. It is alleged that Mr. Thompson is “obsessed” with curtailing violent video-games that are marketed to minors. He has sued the manufacturers of violent video- games that are marketed to minors, asserting that they promote real-life “copy-cat killings.”
Mr. Thompson engaged me to conduct an Independent Forensic Psychological Evaluation to assess the above-listed three allegations.
Informed Consent
Mr. Thompson was apprised of the limitations of confidentially associated with this assessment because of the on-going Bar investigation and the litigation in which he is a party.
Scope of Report
The report is a summary document that is focused only on the assessment of the above-
listed allegations. As such, this report is not data-exhaustive of all information obtained or all clinical findings and opinions.
Psychosocial History Reported on August 16, 2007
Mr. Thompson reported the following information:
Mr. Thompson was born and raised in Ohio, where he lived with his biological mother, father and sister, who is three years older than he. His parents were loving, supportive and structured. His parents are still married to each other. His father, now 88 years old, is in declining health and his mother, now 84, is in fairly good health. He has a relatively close relationship with his sister.
Mr. Thompson credibly denied being subjected to – or observing any- forms of sexual abuse or domestic violence during his upbringing. He was disciplined primarily via verbal admonishments, withdrawal of privileges and “times-out.” There was no usage of alcohol or recreational drugs in his family of origin.
Mr. Thompson married his wife, Ms. Patricia Thompson, in May 1976. They have one son, now 15 years old. He is very happily married to Ms. Thompson, describing her as a wonderful life partner, a superior lawyer, a great mother to their son, and a kindred “Evangelical Christian.”
Mr. Thompson developed an abiding devotion to Evangelical Christianity in his early adulthood, experiencing his faith as one of the cornerstone satisfactions and sources of strength in his life. He and his wife are both devout Evangelical Christians, a commonality that they both experience as inspirational and fortifying.
Mr. Thompson is a “stay-at-home-dad” who works from his home office and has plenty of opportunity to interact with his son, a role and relationship that he treasures.
Mr. Thompson has a life that is very full with friends, colleagues and fellow congregants. He and his wife socialize comfortably with others. Mr. and Ms. Thompson feel warmth and esteem from others and they feel positive attachments to a host of friends, colleagues and congregants in their lives. He feels a strong sense of commitment to the betterment of himself and to the community in general.
The history given by Mr. Thompson, and his clinical presentation during the interview, indicated psychological health, connectedness to loved ones and friends, and a deep, balanced connection to religion and spirituality. There was no evidence of a major mental illness or an impairment to competently practice law in his self-report or clinical presentation. There was no evidence of an obsessive pursuit of “righting all personal wrongs” or of the “righting of all social wrongs.” There was no evidence of a grandiose sense of having to be a “guardian of public morality.” (Quotation marks added by Dr. Wunderman)
Mental Status Examination Conducted on August 16, 2007
Mr. Thompson is a 56 year old, Caucasian male who presented in mild distress. He stated that he has, at times, felt offended by the ad hominem attacks made against him by The Bar and some of his legal adversaries. He presented as clean, neat and casually dressed. He was responsive to questions, elaborating freely upon many questions asked. He spoke with precision, often eloquently, and without tangentiality or circumstantiality. There was no point at which he took umbrage at the personal questions asked during this interview.
Mr. Thompson convincingly denied any current or historical delusions, hallucination, ideas of influence or ideas of reference, homicidal ideation, suicidal ideation, alcohol abuse, recreational drug usage or difficulties with appetite. He reported some recent difficulty sleeping that he attributed to his upset over the personal attacks against him by The Bar and some of his legal adversaries. He denied any episodes of disassociation, but did report one instance of having been temporarily knocked unconscious during a basketball game when he was a very young man. He drinks alcohol occasionally, and only in moderation. He reports generally feeling happy and blessed in his life. He is in generally good health and enjoys golfing and walking. He does not take any medications. His judgment and insight appear to be within normal limits.
There was no evidence of a major mental illness in Mr. Thompson’s self-report or clinical presentation. There was no evidence of an impairment to competently practice law in his self-report or clinical presentation.
Evaluation-Specific Questioning
I asked Mr. Thompson why he thought he was being accused by some of being mentally unstable or impaired from the competent practice of law. He said that he has never engaged in any form of bizarre or erratic practice of law. He felt that these attacks come from manufacturers of violent video games marketed and sold to minors and from radio “shock jocks” and owners of certain radio stations whom he has criticized and successfully filed complaints against.
I asked Mr. Thompson why he thought that he was accused of having an “obsession” against pornography and obscenity. He said that he does not feel or act pre-occupied with pornography or obscenity either in his personal life or his professional life. He said that he took action against certain radio “shock jocks” because he felt that the public airing of certain content was unarguably offensive, and the Federal Trade Commission concurred with his assessment. He stated that the airing of indecent material is a violation of Federal Law.
I asked Mr. Thompson why he felt that he was accused of having an “obsession” with violent video-games that are marketed to minors. He said that he feel that there is a direct, empirically verifiable link between certain violent video games marketed to minors and the subsequent frequency and modus operandi of some violent crimes committed by minors, especially toward police officers. He was clear in telling me that he felt that censoring violent subject matter to adults was not something that regulators should become involved in. However, he felt strongly that there is a clear and present danger to youth, and their subsequent victims, who view and interact with violent videos and video games. He stated that he represents three families in Alabama whose loved ones were killed by video-gamers.
I asked Mr. Thompson about the hyperbole and sarcasm that I read in some of his motions/pleadings. He said that he realizes that he may have offended some with his ad hominem writings, and he will be more moderate in his writing style in the future. He reported that there was a factual basis to each of his written statements.
I asked Mr. Thompson about the unsworn allegation made by a Judge from Alabama that he had intentionally withheld information from the Judge about a prior Florida Bar investigation about him. He said that he provided the Alabama Court with all prior records from The Florida Bar, and he can prove his compliance.
Psychological Testing and Interpretation of Results
The results produced by Mr. Thompson on the Minnesota Multi-Phasic Personality Inventory -2 indicated some areas of personal distress and difficulty. However, he does not appear psychotic or impaired to competently practice law.
The results produced by Mr. Thompson on the Millon Clinical Multaxial Inventory – III indicated some areas of personal distress and difficulty. However, he does not appear psychotic or impaired to competently practice law.
The results produced by Mr. Thompson on the Incomplete Sentence Blank – Adult Form, indicated that he is a pro-social, fundamentally optimistic person who feels a reverence for God.
The results produced by Mr. Thompson on the Multi-Modal Life History Inventory indicated no evidence of a major mental illness and no impairment to competently practice law.
Collateral Information
In the interests of comprehensiveness, the following sources of collateral information were either reviewed or sought:
1. Mr. Thompson reported that The Florida Bar investigated his mental health in approximately 1992. He said that, pursuant to that investigation, he submitted to a Psychological examination and a Psychiatric examination. He said that both assessments concluded that he was mentally well, competent to practice law, and functioning not from extremism, but from a thoughtful furtherance of his faith. I asked Mr. Thompson several times to furnish me with copies of the two evaluations and The Bar’s ultimate determinations. He said and showed me that he had requested this information several times from the Custodian of Records of The Florida Bar.
2. I read a number of Mr. Thompson’s motions to The Florida Bar and one
responsive motion from The Florida Bar. Also, I read several of his letters
and other documents on his website.
3. Collateral Interview with Ms. Patricia Thompson, Mr. Thompson’s wife, on
August 16, 2007. The information provided by Ms. Thompson does not support
the accusation against Mr. Thompson of alleged mental impairment or the
accusation of “obsession” with pornography or violence.
4. Collateral Interview with Mr. J. F. on August 18, 2007. Mr. J. F. is a close friend of Mr. Thompson. They have known each other for about the past ten years. The
information provided by Mr. J. F. does not support the accusation against Mr.
Thompson of mental impairment or the accusation of “obsession” with
pornography or violence.
5. Collateral Interview with Mr. M. T. on August 18, 2007. Mr. M. T, who is no
relation to Mr. John Thompson, has known Mr. John Thompson well for about the
past fifteen years. The information provided by Mr. M. T. does not support the
allegation against Mr. John Thompson of mental impairment or the accusation of
“obsession” with pornography or violence.
Summary and Impressions
Concerning Mr. John Thompson, the overall impression is that of a socially committed, and religiously devout man, of Superior Intellectual Functioning, who does not suffer from any major mental illness or impairment. He is deeply committed to personal betterment and social progress which he feels involves the regulation of exposure of minors to pornography, obscenity and violence.
Concerning the accusations that Mr. Thompson displays “obsession” with pornography, obscenity and/or violence presented to minors, Mr. Thompson does not report or display any of said obsessions. That is, his self-report, his clinical presentation and his relationships with his wife and two close personal friends reveal no evidence of fixation with pornography, obscenity and/or violence. To the extent that testing data may reveal such obsessions, there was no evidence of this theme in his ideation.
Mr. Thompson appears to be a thoughtful, prosocial and erudite man whose life is anchored, fortified and enriched by his Evangelical Christianity. I find no evidence that his faith distorts, clouds or impairs his personal or professional judgment.
While Mr. Thompson displays certain areas of personal distress and difficulty, such problem areas are well within the range from which attorneys can and do practice competently and even expertly.
______________________________________ Date of Report: August 20, 2007
Oren Wunderman, Ph.D.
I think the best ones are when JT tries to point out spelling and grammatical errors in posters' quotes, despite the fact that in his official documents he continually proves that he has far from mastered the English language, with frequent punctuation, spelling, grammar, and capitalization errors, not to mention the complete lack of professionalism contained within.
Copied directly from "Case 1:07-cv-20866-PCH Document 5 Entered on FLSD Docket 04/25/2007"
"Plaintiff could go on, citing other examples of the incredible and sustained
and unco5nstitutional headlong lurches by this Bar in pursuit of its Governors’ collective left-wing agenda, but discovery herein will flesh them out more fully."
John B. Thompson, Attorney at Law
1172 S. Dixie Hwy., Suite 111
Coral Gables, Florida 33146
305-666-4366
amendmentone@comcast.net
August 21, 2007
The Honorable James Moore
Circuit Court Judge
Fayette County Courthouse
Fayette, Alabama 35555 Via Fax to 205-932-3678
Dear Judge Moore:
As you know, I took your deposition today in the context of The Florida Bar’s “discipline” of me..
I told my wife, who is a lawyer and a far better one than I will ever be, that you admitted, under oath (which you have not been under until now), that I in fact did not even have to disclose to you my public reprimand back in 1992, since all the Alabama State Bar required was information about suspensions and disbarments, either actual or potential. As you now had to admit, there were no suspensions and disbarments.
My wife then asked the following question:
“Did Judge Moore apologize?”
That’s a heck of a good question, Judge. And so here’s mine:
Are you going to apologize?
I ask, because you should. People make “mistakes.” You made a whopper. You put my career at risk because you never bothered to call The Florida Bar to find out if I had ever been suspended or disbarred or even threatened with that. Now The Bar’s staff clerks state there never was such a proceeding, and you ran with the rotten bait Blank Rome falsely dangled under your nose.
I’ll accept an apology, if it is made by tomorrow.
Regards, Jack Thompson
Even if the test is accurate (Hahaha. Yeah right.) the exclusive focus of the exam precludes a diagnosis of any non-obsessive condition that prevents his "capacity to competently practice law", which would include the non-violent psychopathy he clearly exhibits.
Maybe so, but it's all so much like him, so might as well :P
Great job, Jackie. Now go back to finding ways that WE are infringing on YOUR First Amendment rights.
I'm sure some of these questions have already been answered so just ignore them if they have. Has any further information regarding the relationship between the minister and Jack Thompson come up? Such as friends/groups they share. Is this report honestly passable as a legit psych evaluation? I don't mean the minister's reputation as a shrink but the evaluation itself. Has it been officially accepted? If Jack Thompson gets cleared as someone who is of sound mind then fine. My main concern is that it's done in a FAIR manner, meaning unbiased, no questionable methods that will still leave a big question mark over this whole incident.
Assuming this shrink is correct and you ARE sane, could you please explain why you take time almost every day to insult children on the internet? It does nothing to further your cause, encourages backlash from the gaming community, and even earns you enemies. Is it perhaps an outlet for your aggressive tendencies? If so, you might want to try video games instead... ;)
Well the thing is, I don't need to prove all that myself because scientists are constantly testing their hypotheses and theories themselves.
It roughly works like this:
The basis of good science is constructing hypothesis and then test it until destruction to see if it fits and accuratly predict the results you get.
If it works really well it could become a theory, and further testing and observation can refine it. If it later turns out to be false you discard it and start over. If you check history you'll find ample examples of this process which even got us the very internet we are using this very moment.
So in science you never take things on faith (in the classical sense of the word), you try to expand what you know and test ideas that could fit in the gaps that are left.
As soon as you accept things on faith then you stop searching because real faith needs no proof.
And once you know something really exists you don't need faith anymore.
Do I need to prove god exists or not?
No. Yet I have faith he does in some form.
Life on other planets? We have already got proof of planets around other stars and since there are untold number of the things it seems a bit of a waste if our little dirtball is the only living thing out there.
Maybe the one upstairs has plans he has not told us about?
Just keeping an open mind...
And yes, the zealot bit was an exagerration and actually not meant to be derogatory.
I don't get it. What's the point? Why post the report here? Surely he must realize that the average GP reader isn't going to help him get the bar's complaint buried. If anything, 99.9% of us would LOVE to see him disbarred and handing out carts at the Wal-Mart for a living.
He's confused one series of tubes with another.
The thing is, even if the test raised flags, if the flags were in regards to areas that the report did not focus on, they would not be mentioned. The areas of "personal distress" the report mentions could well be of interest to the Bar if they were asking the questions, rather than Thompson asking the minimum that he thinks will clear him. As things stand, I'm convinced that his crusade against violence and obscenity does not reach the level of obsession, and that he has no physical based mental impairment. However I am unconvinced that Thompson does not have a personality disorder that would affect his ability to conduct himself professionally.
@jdecamp
Your belief that a court ordered evaluation done by someone else would have the same results ignores the possibility of that evaluation being more broad. This one has a fairly narrow focus.
Without seeing the full report, we can't know the full extent of the finding.
The evaluation was not ordered by an impartial third party. In other words, I want one arranged by a court involved in the case. Not Thompson. Not the Florida Bar. That's what it's SUPPOSED to be to have legal action based on it.
No where does anything we've seen so far tell what tests have been done. And I mean specific names of tests with a summary of the results.
Everything I've sen so far indicates the evaluation was conducted either forensically from submitted information, or in the form of an interview. Even these two things combined wouldn't be a full evaluation.
I didn't see anything about the assertations of paranoia and delusions of persecution and conspiracy. Although those sections could easily have been in what hasn't been posted.
There is an assertation that Thompson will make an effort to be more careful in his wording to others and in legal documents and proceedings. What I didn't see is anything about how he will do this, including any treatment plan. Unless he's a quack, no psychologist would make any assertations without refferencing such plans. That's not how we're taught. (On a side note, he starts making sarcastic comments in his very first point in that court document. He doesn't seem to be trying too hard.)
So honestly, until I see the full report WITH a list of all of the procedures followed, I don't trust any of this to be solid. It all just sounds too fishy to me.
-Mike Schwinger
Psychology/sociology student, Children's therapy aid
But Jack Thompson, he makes me want to hurt people. He should take is god-loving ass and mind his own business. What gives him the right to decide what I can or can't view? Who made him God? And why should I have games, movies, or music censored and/or dumbed-down becuase it *MIGHT* get into the hands of children?
I hope he dies just as he came into this world: cold, alone, and screaming.
Anyway, my point is that when people's dignity or pride is on the line, they will go out of their way to act differently. Acting more moderately in a session of a few hours with a psychologist is incredibly easy for any sane person to do, which is why psychological assessment oftentime requires much more than just a few hours. In JT's case, he's smart enough to know that if he acts like he does normally, he'd probably appall the psychologist doing the assessment, so he acts with much more moderation and restraint than he does in normal day to day life.
It's not a difficult thing to do, really.
Remember, they concluded that you're *not insane*. Which is rather like being told you've not got Chlamydia. It's no supposed to be something you advertise to the world.
GP: I have the entire report but was hesitant to post it due to confidentiality issues."
Afraid of disclosing the full facts are we Jack? Whose confidentiality are you worried about, your own?
Why not see a psychologist that isn't being paid by yourself, that is court appointed and has no previous connection to yourself, whatsoever?
Jack is proud of the fact that he had to pay someone to say he was sane?
I believe you also violated Judge Moore's orders not to comment publicly about the case. In other words, you acted like an ass and had your pro hac vice status revoked because of it. The lack of disclosure was hardly the "sole reason" it was revoked.
Once again, you're very good about leaving out relevant facts.
Yes, but I believe that confidential information should stay that way. By posting it, and chiding Dennis for NOT showing information, shows complete lack of decorum on Thompson's part.
*Sound of dueling banjos wafts through the air*
I'm just glad he isn't based in Europe, but then again I'm sure Jack Thompson believes my liberal ways are the basis of all evil... Just like I believe religion, and particular evangelicalism (praise the lord, line my pockets!) is the basis of all evil.
Because he doesn't play video games, he can just believe that the reasons we're infuriated with his conduct is because of gaming, rather than, you know, the lack of rationality in his statements. His anger could come from anywhere; but as long as he can claim that it's not from video games, he's able to use everyone else's anger as ammunition against them.
Unfortuantely, it's also completely impossible to get into an actual debate with JT. He has two excuses as to why he will not debate with you, and they are dependent on your career -
1. Member of the Video Game Industry: If this is you, you are clearly being paid to support video gaming, and you will lie and cheat and do whatever is necessary to "not connect the dots" between violence and video games.
2. Not a member of the Video Game Industry: You're an idiot, because you are not directly involved and have no professional experience.
Either way, it's just whining. The fact that a psychiatrist proved that he is sane is irrelevant. In fact, the three areas in which he was analyzed fail to even capture what the problem is. He's not obsessed; he likes attention. He's not insane; he's focused on an incorrect belief. His main problem is that he needs to focus the problem elsewhere - the parents.
He believes things like a child hanging himself was because of South Park, a show the child had never watched. He immediately blames Comedy Central for marketing to children. Why not blame the parents? Where were they? If a 10 year old child manages to get his hands on an M-rated game, why not blame the cashier who let him purchase it, or the parents who let him buy it? Where does the game industry fall in these scenarios? Nowhere.
As far as the law goes, claimant's most certainly are allowed to request their own evaluation on their own dollars. If anything, the Bar would potentially become forced to hire two doctors -- one to provide an evaluation stating Jack's not mentally fit to work as an attorney, and then a second to provide medical preponderance to settle the difference in opinions.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson
to this guy:
owunderman@frc-fla.com
I'm certain this case is not over. However, the Bar should take this shady PR exploitation into account during their deliberations.
The reason he's so ineffective is that he's a tiny black ball of hate who's worse than the people he targets. This anger and rage blinds him and has been destroying his career. All one has to do is take a look as his various proposals and letters posted around the internet to see what a maverick he is. (Who here still remembers his 'Modest' Video Game Proposal?) Without love and respect for his enemy, he will fall.
He probably thinks he's a crusader because he has religion, but that just makes him worse in more ways than one. (Christian-oriented groups that used to support him have long since disowned him because of his bluster and indecency anyway.) And no Jack, if you do ultimately die of heart failure, you won't be a martyr. You'll have only yourself to blame.
What are you talking about? The Bar's case is still ongoing as far as I can tell. Just because JT declares it's "over", doesn't mean anything other than he's confident he'll win. But he ALWAYS says that...
That was Cody Posey, whom Jack tried to arrange a lesser sentence if Posey had blamed GTA, whom instead said he alone was to blame for his own actions.
"Jacks can bias the results by avoiding giving the examiner information that would raise flags."
Exactly. JT's exam was done based on interviews with JT & companions, and a presentation that JT himself did. So clearly the bias there is easy, considering all JT has to do is leave out all the "crazy" stuff he's written over the past few years, and voila, he's painted in a good light through omission.
I hate to Godwin, but if you leave out the crazy ramblings and the whole Jew problem, Hitler was actually a very good leader for Germany...
If the Bar assigns an eval, you can be sure they'll pass on all of JT's ramblings and nasty letters, which will make it clear that JT rarely respects order, decorum, or authority when it comes to writing legal briefs, and even resorts to accusing any and all of being in conspiracy against him.
I'm pretty sure JT left all those "tidbits" out of his presentation to the doc, so his "passing" it is notable, but still biased due to it being done on JT's terms, not the court's.
Alabama State Bar rules re: Pro Hac Vice, Rule VII, section 'B'
If the judge, hearing officer, or agency is not satisfied that the foreign attorney is reputable and will observe the ethical standards required of attorneys in this state, the court, hearing officer, or agency may in its discretion revoke the authority of the attorney to appear.
In case that wasn't clear, Judge Moore can revoke Pro Hac Vice if he feels that JT is being an ass, he doesn't need JT to actually violate any Alabama Bar rules specifically...
So yes JT, Judge Moore CAN revoke your PHV for not disclosing your "colourful" history. You don't get the same protections that full members of the Alabama Bar do.
Nor does it appear to address whether or not he has a personality disorder; it just states that he does not have one that affects his ability to practice law. This is important from the standpoint that you can be high functioning, but still a head case.
In any case, it's odd that Jack would fight so strongly against a forced evaluation, then turn around and get one on his own. It suggests to me a fear of not being able to pick the evaluator rather than a fear of the evaluation.
Even if Jack does come up clean from the shrink stand point, that does not absolve him of the behaviors that lead to the current Bar investigation. The potential disciplinary actions against him are due to his actions, not due to possible mental instability.
That and failing to follow court orders to not comment publicly on the trial, an order you violated many times before having the pro-hac vice revoked. But hey, why bother to mention the REAL reason you were kicked out of Alabama when you can just dismiss it all as lies?
"whose life is anchored, fortified and enriched by his Evangelical Christianity."
Hahahahahaha, how much did he pay this guy? Or did he just find a shrink at his local church, someone just as crazy as himself? No real doctor would write "Superior Intellectual Functioning" on a review like this, that's ridiculous.
he was also a great speaker! Though, Jacky doesn't strike me as a great speaker...except for bending the truth (or making his own) to suit his needs...
"I'm never wrong, The Florida Bar just has it out against me like everyone else who disagrees with me. The doctor who evaulated me fell in love with me so I am sane. I am as pure as the driven snow and anyone who has ever criticized me is evil and should be kicked out, not me. Judge Moore is a horrible judge because he reprimanded me. I don't care what everyone thinks, I'm going to get all violent games and images banned because I don't like them. I also don't respect the military and say HOOAH all the time. I am the right hand of god."
Did I miss anything?
Honestly, I'm wondering if that's what happened. I've worked in Industrial Insurance for years. There are quite a few doctors who have developed reputations as hired guns, since they give whatever answer they think you want to hear. Those doctors are all Board- and Bar-certified, and actively practicing. Thankfully, I work for a company that stays away from using those docs, as they usually just end up dragging out ensuing litigation when a claimant's attorney calls out their record.
However, I haven't seen anything in Jack's ethical compass that would have me believe he'd make the same choice. It's in his best interest to drag out any ensuing litigation, and he's never been honest in his actions. Remember the stunt where he filed a campaign against the Bully judge as a way to get out of contempt charges? He had no intention of actually seeking a bench job. He just wanted to abuse the system in a way favorable to him.
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA
John B. Thompson,
Plaintiff,
v. CASE NUMBERS SC06-2032, SCO7-80, SC07-354
The Florida Bar,
Defendant.
VERIFIED SUPPLEMENT TO PLAINTIFF’S PETITION FOR WRIT OF MANDAMUS/PROHIBITION
COMES NOW plaintiff, John B. Thompson (hereinafter Thompson), and hereby supplements his petition for writ of mandamus/prohibition stating:
1. In addition to what this court already knows about the gross misconduct of The Florida Bar in this “disciplinary” matter, there are two developments this week that cry out either a) for a complete dismissal of all disciplinary charges now pending against Thompson by this court or, b) for an immediate order of this court mandating a top-to-bottom de novo review of The Bar’s ongoing gross misconduct herein. Note:
2. One of the most respected forensic psychologists in the State of Florida, Oren Wunderman, Ph.D., who in fact has lectured, at the request of The Florida Bar, on how lawyers should be assessed for mental incapacity, has fully assessed Thompson and finds, in his five-page report, the following:
“Concerning Mr. John Thompson, the overall impression is that of a socially committed, and religiously devout man, of Superior Intellectual Functioning, who does not suffer from any major mental illness or impairment. He is deeply committed to personal betterment and social progress which he feels involves the regulation of exposure of minors to pornography, obscenity and violence.
Concerning the accusations that Mr. Thompson displays ‘obsession’ with pornography, obscenity and/or violence presented to minors, Mr. Thompson does not report or display any of said obsessions. That is, his self-report, his clinical presentation and his relationships with his wife and two close personal friends reveal no evidence of fixation with pornography, obscenity and/or violence. To the extent that testing data may reveal such obsessions [which testing was extensively done by Dr. Wunderman of Thompson in administering widely-accepted psychological evaluation tests], there was no evidence of this theme in his ideation.
Mr. Thompson appears to be a thoughtful, prosocial and erudite man whose life is anchored, fortified and enriched by his Evangelical Christianity. I find no evidence that his faith distorts, clouds or impairs his personal or professional judgment.
While Mr. Thompson displays certain areas of personal distress and difficulty, such problem areas are well within the range from which attorneys can and do practice competently and even expertly.”
3. Despite this finding, The Bar refuses to relent and recant its demand for a forced evaluation of Thompson, for which it has no factual basis, as indicated by The Bar’s ongoing violation of its Rule 3-7.13 as to how such assessments are to be procured. The Bar has intentionally entwined the resolution of the “ethics” issues with this “lunacy” issue in order to extort and harm Thompson.
4. That’s just the first item. This morning Thompson took the deposition of Alabama Judge James Moore, who is at the center of the “Alabama Bar complaints” against Thompson. But for Moore, there would be no such complaints, and they comprise overwhelmingly the fule for The Bar’s pursuit of Thompson at the behest of the makers of the Grand Theft Auto games.
5. The indispensable cornerstone of the “Alabama bar complaints” is the bold assertion that Thompson fraudulently failed to disclose material facts about his “colorful disciplinary history” at the hands of The Florida Bar, which occurred on or about 1992, and by virtue of such fraud secured pro hac vice admission to practice in a wrongful death case against the makers and distributors of the Grand Theft Auto games.
6. In fact, the Alabama State Bar requires that any pro hac vice applicant must disclose, about his disciplinary history, only whether he has been suspended or disbarred or ever been subject to suspension or disbarment at the time of pro hac vice application, in that juncture in February 2005. See questions 6, 7, 8, and 9 on Alabama State Bar pro hac vice Application at http://www.alabar.org/members/phv/PHV_app_fillable.pdf.
7. The record is now clear and unrefuted, and Judge Moore admitted it under oath today, that THOMPSON GAVE EVEN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HIS DISCIPLINARY HISTORY THAN WAS REQUIRED BY THE ALABAMA STATE BAR!
8. Further, Judge Moore admitted that Thompson has never been suspended or disbarred and was never subjected to suspension or disbarment proceedings at the time of the application. All Thompson received in 1992 was a “public reprimand,” and Thompson, going beyond what was required of him, disclosed that lower level of discipline to the trial court and to the Alabama State Bar. He need not have disclosed any of it. Indeed, today August 21, 2007, prior to the deposition at 10 am Eastern time of Judge Moore, a pleasant young man by the name of Andrew in the sector of The Bar that holds lawyer disciplinary records confirmed by phone that the 1992 discipline was not about suspension or disbarment, and his records would indicate if it were. They do not, and that, according to Andrew, is proof that they were never about suspension or discipline.
9. Additionally, Thompson spoke at 9:48 am this morning with Melissa Mara, who is an Administrative Assistant, Legal Division, The Florida Bar, who was asked by the undersigned: “If I am applying today for admission pro hac vice in another jurisdiction, and I am asked by that jurisdiction [as did Alabama] whether I had ever been suspended or disbarred or subject to suspension or disbarment, do I have to disclose the fact that I received a public reprimand back in 1992?” Said Ms. Mara, without any hesitation whatsoever: “Absolutely not. You can answer any questions as to whether or not you have been suspended or disbarred or subject to such proceedings with the answer: NO or NONE.”
10. In fact, that is precisely what Thompson did in applying in Alabama. He answered “NONE” and then informed the trial court and the Alabama State Bar of his public reprimand, which he did not have to do, in order to be transparent beyond the requirements of Alabama. Judge Moore said under oath that Thompson disclosed more than what was required of him by Alabama law.
11. Thompson in fact attached to the pro hac vice application a February 11, 2005, letter, attached hereto, which was sent to both the Alabama State Bar and to Judge Moore, both of whom have acknowledged receiving it.
12. Thus, it is now a matter of sworn testimony by Judge Moore himself that the cornerstone assertion of The Florida Bar’s case against Thompson—that he hid his disciplinary history from the Alabama trial court and from the Alabama State Bar by failing to disclose material facts—is utterly false. He gave even more information than he had to about matters that fell short of suspension or disbarment. Further, it is now known that the sworn assertions by the lawyers at Blank Rome that Thompson hid his disciplinary history, in allegedly falsifying his pro hac vice Application are false and constitute perjury.
13. Additionally, we now know, as of today, that The Florida Bar has engaged in gross prosecutorial misconduct in pursuing Thompson with Bar complaints that it knew to be false and that it knew to be based upon perjury. For the past eight months, at least, Thompson and his counsel have repeatedly asked The Florida Bar and its line prosecutor, Sheila Tuma, to disclose the answer to this question: “What did Thompson fail to disclose that was required of him to disclose in applying for pro hac vice status in Alabama?”
The Florida Bar has refused to answer that question. It has refused to answer interrogatories, requests for admissions, requests for production, and submit to depositions of the designated reviewer of the outside investigator, David Pollack, and anyone else who could have told Thompson and his lawyer over a year ago that this was all an utter, demonstrable lie.
14. All of the rest of the Alabama bar complaints flows from this lie, and The Bar thought it could get away with this gross prosecutorial misconduct because The Bar wrongly assumed that this day of reckoning would never come: That the transparent and fully compliant nature of Thompson’s pro hac vice application would never be proven. Instead, we all know now that all of the Alabama Bar complaints are grounded upon a subterfuge, a contrivance, a complete fabrication by the Blank Rome lawyers representing Take-Two, with the help of a judge who willy-nilly entered an order WITHOUT EVER checking with The Florida Bar as to what Thompson’s disciplinary history really was! Judge Moore admitted today that Thompson’s real disciplinary history was just a phone call away, and he never called.
15. What The Bar today has been caught doing is not negligence in prosecution. It is not even bad faith. It is beyond that. It is prosecutorial misconduct so gross that it calls for possible criminal prosecution of those involved. North Carolina’s Mike Nifong has nothing on The Bar and its Sheila Tuma in its Orlando office. This prosecutor has known for months that the complaints against Thompson have been based upon a lie, and she has proceeded nevertheless, even to the point of demanding Thompson’s psychoanalysis.
16. No state Supreme Court, and certainly not this one with its history of entering an order seeking to pathologize Thompson’s faith-based social activism, can possibly continue to sit, as if inert, in Tallahassee, pretending it is not aware of this ongoing, arguably criminal misconduct of The Florida Bar and its mendacious staff operatives.
17. Maybe this court did not have enough to raise a red flag prior to today. Well, here it is in this pleading. This court must immediately act.
WHEREFORE, Thompson implores this court to grant some or all of the relief he has requested, in light of the fact that The Bar has been caught not just in a lie, but a in damnable lie so consequential, the web of which is so wide, that there would be no disciplinary proceedings if that lie had not been uttered and then knowingly repeated by The Bar.
I HEREBY SWEAR AND AFFIRM, AS IF UNDER OATH AND UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY, THAT THE FOREGOING FACTS ARE TRUE, SO HELP ME GOD.
I HEREBY CERTIFY that the foregoing has been provided this August 21, 2007, to John Harkness, Executive Director of The Florida Bar, to Circuit Court Judge Dava J. Tunis, to Bar staff counsel Sheila Tuma, and to Kenneth Marvin, Director of Lawyer Regulation for The Bar.
JOHN B. THOMPSON, Attorney
Florida Bar #231665
1172 South Dixie Hwy., Suite 111
Coral Gables, Florida 33146
Yeah, it doesn't work that way, Jacko.
The understatement of the century. Sheesh. Interesting that none of his on line activities and ramblings were taken in to account, way to "obfuscate" there JT. ;)
When you actually have the guts to follow the letter of the law, you will deserve your title of "attorney." Until then, you are merely another want-to-be world saviour with some serious issues.
That way whenever someone was stressed out they could navigate over to the website and give Jack a little shock.
That would be fun...
And also sad but true, a significant share of the posters on this (and similar game news topical forums) make it way easy for him to do ad hominem attacks with their own ad hominem attacks on Mr. Thompson.
I think we can accept as fact that Attorney Thompson will continue to tilt at the windmills of the game industry until such a time as one of those windmills falls on him ... hard.
And to the atheists and anti-theists who continually post anti-religious (and often quite hateful) comments about people of faith in these forums, if you were truly honest with yourself, you would find that there are as many things that you accept on "faith" about the nature of the universe without any way to prove it yourself. Instead you willingly accept the "holy writ" of scientists, your secular high priests, because it provides stories you can believe without having to include a deity or the supernatural. To my thinking, that's its own form of fanatacism.
I don't question Attorney Thompson's faith or belittle him for having it. But I do think he's wasting his time, energy and life in how he's applying it. people TO God Jack. Don't drive them away.
So how much did you bribe the 'esteemed' Dr Wunderman to write this?
on top of this, the whole Ad hominem writing, though, is the big problem. It's about ethics and practices, not sanity. JT, as a lawyer, does not function within the realm of proper human or business interaction.
Why? Well, according to this, because he's a 'religiously devout' man. I don't want to insults Christians, but being 'devout' in this age, as in, you think you're on a mission from god or that you think the crusade you're fighting is god's will, IS CRAZY.
I don't think that's the kind of trait you want to put as a positive feature of JT's psychological profile. Also, if you want to get into being prosocial, and doing good for society, I don't think crying out "Think of the children!" over and over is necessarily doing any good, especially when you do it on a groundless basis, such as time and place of advertisements.
I would also like to point out how this psychological evaluation fails to mention JT's paranoia towards 'the Video Game industry' towards whom he has claimed vast conspiracies and alleged personal attacks to destroy his life.
I'm sorry but just because he's not crazy or just because he believes he's doing the right thing doesn't exempt him from being a complete and utter monster.
Someone who could so trivialize something like the VTech massacre by instantly throwing blame with no real evidence is clearly a man who has no intentions of solving problems, rather just finding someone to blame.
If there's one thing that could scar someone for life it's having a teen killing spree like VTech or Columbine blamed on you personally, and it's something this perfectly sane individual has done countless times, with no regard for HIS victims.
He has such little respect for events like VTech/Columbine and the victims that he can instantly place blame and couldn't give a damn about the repercussions. It might not prove he's insane but it certainly proves he's not so much a compassionate person intent on solving these problems as he in finding something to blame as quickly as possible and then being credited for solving the problem.
Jack Thompson you are a pathetic excuse of a man and if you think what you're doing will appease your God then I strongly suggest you go back and take that test again.
Maybe one day this will hit home and you'll actually go about helping people for a change, instead of trying to run their lives.
I'm not holding my breath though.
He just goes about it all wrong. He goes after game developers, and if he were ever to succeed the way he wants to, the game would be kept out of the hands of those who are able to handle the content of the game. This riles us gamers up. Because we get riled up, and because some of us don't know how to make our protests...civil, he makes the mistake of labeling all gamers the way he does.
He's not insane by any means. That doesn't mean we have to like him though.
Nice try, Jack.
And if anyone believes he will "moderate his writing", boy, do I got a great deal in steel construction over the Hudson river for you!
Hey...that is the law after all. Sorry Jackie boy, but you would think a lawer would know the law............I mean...you'd think so...
And "Superior Intellectual Functioning" is all very nice, but also not quite the indication of good mental health it seems to be in my opinion.
He "may" not be nuts but he sure is rude, abrasive and generally unpleasant to people in general.
So his social functioning is definetly below par.
*shakes index finger at Jack*
For SHAME, Jack! Lying to the PUBLIC!
And I could have SWORN you said you were Christian!
P.S. - See? I can be a soccer mom, too! ;I
You're not that special.
What's funny is, I don't even think he reads the comments or responses. I just think he takes a "If I don't hear it or read it, it didn't happen" approach, therefore furthering his belief that he is right...even when he usually isn't.
Classical psychiatrists had described the experience of a person whose consciousness was besieged by an intrusive thought and who, although lucid and in possession of his faculties, was incapable of stopping it." -Answers.com
I think it's quite evident that his words are only his words and not some sort of 'intrusive thought'. So by definition of psychology, he is not obsessed. By his mannerisms, behavior and lack of other business to do ( i mean come on he has nothing better to do with his time than post "I told you so" on GP) we all "know" he is.
@ cullern
I do not believe he threatened to sue the shrink if the eval was not to his liking, he usually starts the threats and personal attacks in response to something. Although, the report does sound a bit biased to me...but hey, we don't know the shrink so we can't really say.
Seriously. Independent evaluation.
And even if that comes back clean, disbar him. Even if he's 'sane', he's clearly not able to properly practice law. Unable to keep the legal framework in mind, he's incapable of providing sound legal advice. Exhibit A: all of the laws that he has been intimately involved in that have been struck down as unconstitutional by court after court, while he screams about a greater conspiracy.
If he's not too crazy to practice law, it leads to the conclusion that he's too ignorant of the law to practice it.
Yep, very “unbiased”.
was dripping with sarcasm.
:: Takes responsibility and mops up the mess. ::
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Or, if it isn't actually him, how about just banning anyone who pretends to be him?
- Does Thompson suffer from a mental illness or disorder that impairs his capacity to competently practice law?
He may be a jerk but his moves are to time sensitive and somewhat well calculated for him to be losing his marbles just yet.
- Is Thompson obsessed with the prosecution and limiting of pornography and obscenity?
This is true that he is obsessed with it judging by his actions however in all states being "evangelical"fanatical nutcase stops psychiatrists from labeling
them as unbalanced and dangerous to society in most cases.The only way to be labeled this way is to go on a hate crime/killing spree.
Also "freedom of religion" protects him from being labeled insane for believing crazy things like the universe is 5000 years old and dinosaurs never existed.Seriously you can walk into a quacks office and yell "I believe in invisible pink unicorns" he won't label you as bonkers.
guess its to avoid all the political fallout....
- Is Thompson obsessed with curtailing “violent” video-games that are “marketed” to minors.
All jacko has to do is blanket this kind of obsession in the protection of religious morals,as stated above labeling him nuts based on a moral religion(a powerful one at that)is opening the floodgates for all kinds of crap.I do not think doctors want 500+ people on their lawn on a sunday morning cause he had to label someone a total whackjob(its happened before trust me >.>).
Is jack nuts?under law hes not
is jack a attention seeking lying manipulative poor excuse for a human being?yes i think we can all agree on that part
However I am open to the fact that another non "friendly" quack might just rule the other way and put him out of our misery.
@dennis im digging you down for posting a picture of Thompson....super angry dick cheney wannabe is the last thing i want to see ona tuesday morning....oh wait no digg button...wrong site :p
Contradiction?
Googled Advanced search "Dr. Wunderman" and "psychologist" and found this (among others)
http://www.elisanovick.com/testimonials.html
"Teri Wunderman, minister, psychologist "
Yep, very "unbiased".
Here, she is identified as a minister for the MSIA:
http://www.newdayherald.net/template.php3?ID=691
And this is the MSIA:
http://www.msia.org/
Not a 100% it's the same Dr, but a very high chance.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
You had actually been able to gain a shred of respect by some people and then you follow it up by personally attacking the man who allowed you to gain it...nice going, Einstein.
Sounds like a compltely fair and balanced evaluation to me :rollseyes:
alot of this seems like the good doctor (please note im not being mean or sarcastic to the doctor) was trying to avoid a lawsuit himself lol
Furthermore, doesn't this just prove that he is incompetent and unprofessional rather than mentally incapable?
"Dennis also fails to report that Dr. Wunderman is recognized by The Bar itself as an expert in such matters, as he has done other evaulations for The Bar and he has in fact lectured to The Bar about this issue. Mr. McCauly managed to exclude these facts from the above story. Nice going, Dennis."
Jack Dennis' reporting was perfectly in context, everything you're talking about (link to the report, the Doctor's credentials) despite being appropriate for the article would not have significantly added any more in the way of context, it was his call as to include them or not. You constantly make nitpicking complaints about Dennis' reporting, about which stories he should be covering and now about what details he should have thrown into his article and I always say the same thing: THIS IS NOT YOUR WEBSITE, YOU ARE NOT DENNIS' BOSS, IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE ABOUT THE REPORTING AND WHAT STORIES ARE COVERED GET YOUR OWN WEBSITE AND COVER WHATEVER STORIES YOU WANT ANY WAY YOU WANT TO!
As far as 'leaving things out' according to JT, certainly I'd like to see what's so important to JT, but at the same time his professionalism since beginning of time has been a track record of dissapointment, offensive behavior, lying, and leaving out details of his own accord. If you can apply or subtract words librally, why can't GP? Or is this land of JT where only he has First Amendment rights?
Maybe JT can reply to this; why lump all gamers together? Because seriously, I just want to see how your brain ticks.
Based on what I've read, this "evaluator" clearly believes that an abusive personaility, lying, deceiving, and making false claims is merely an acceptable function of Christianity. Much in the same way that within the game called Bully, the headmaster considered the abuse of students to merely be "school spirit".
I notice, yet again, that the ONLY documents reviewed by the "evaluator" was the legal motions and pleadings. Once again, John Bruce is afraid to have ALL his documentation evaluated by an UNBIASED professional.
I would expect the same type of "evaluation" to be given to Fred Phelps by a psychologist who claims homosexuality to be a mental disease.
Therefore, based on the limited, and most likely tainted, examination of John Bruce, I see no FACTS to support the assertion that he is "cleared".
It would not, however, surprise me if the evaluation were accepted. I have long since stated my displeasure with the current legal system. This would just be further evidence of a dishonorable, unethical, corrupt legal system. It would truly shock me if the evaluation was not considered acceptable.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Just because he voluntarily submitted a psych evaulation(the key word being "Value", which Thompson does not have), doesn't mean he's truly cleared. Who's to say that the court won't say "It doesn't matter what somebody that has ties to both parties says, we'll appoint an independent psychiartrist outside the state of Florida to determine the sanity of Mr. Thompson"?
- Does Thompson suffer from a mental illness or disorder that impairs his capacity to competently practice law?
Sounds like he does, based on his writings.
- Is Thompson obsessed with the prosecution and limiting of pornography and obscenity?
Yes, he is.
- Is Thompson obsessed with curtailing "violent" video-games that are "marketed" to minors.
Yes, he is.
Thus, he should practice what he preaches: Grow up and get a life.
Who really cares about what you think?
"Mr. Thompson does not report or display any of said obsessions"
It would be interesting to know what exactly this entails, for if it only refers to what Jack reported and answered during the examination it's hardly any evidence at all.
I might be wrong but i seriously doubt the doctor has seen the footage and all the written evidence of Jack's escapades that we have seen and witnessed.
That said i never expected them to find any mental disorder or illness, his sense of reality and his goals are just the result of warped perception and ideology. Which is very sad in a way, how someone who is sane and of to quote "Superior Intellectual Functioning" is able to do things the way he does.
So,"socially committed, and religiously devout man" is either totally wrong or utterly right, depending on what his "religion" entails. Depending on how you interpret christianity "ad hominem" is either something completely unacceptable or the usual encouraged standard since the days of old.
His 'professional judgement' is not influenced by his religion? Gee isn't a religion supposed to get you thinking in a certain way? Anyways, I think the real question here is not 'Is he insane?', but rather 'Are his work ethics morally alright?'
Ultimately, we know nothing of who he went to see, if it was his friend, church mate, anti-gamer, but any way it goes, I highly doubt he would have even been considered for appointment by the courts. Or maybe appointments are only done in criminal courts.
I have no idea if this will count in the eyes of the Bar and court as the same of being evaluated by a known independent 3rd party or not. Is it typical for a Psychiatric evaluation to talk with the patient's wife and close friends? and is submitting a self-prepared psychiatric evaluation part for the course as well? Or am I misreading that entire segment?
JT's many things. He's a liar, a sneak, a coward, a freak, a two timing asshole whose enemies he dares seek.
But he's not crazy enough to be sent to the nut-house. The time when he's TRULY crazy is when you hear him on the news dancing on the streets naked.
he paid a guy to say nice things about him.
GP: I have the entire report but was hesitant to post it due to confidentiality issues.
To Thompson's credit though, he has been "more moderate in his writing style" of late.
Andrew Eisen
Also it makes me wonder if he went and saw a pyschiatrist last month, then why was he resisting it for so long and whining and complaining about it so much to the point where he claimed it was causing him heart problems?
Ill believe it when i see it.
Is this some kind of club, why is it in caps? Wouldn't you think someone of "Superior Intellectual Functioning" would be better at understanding how inacurate his claims are?
"Mr. Thompson does not report or display any of said obsessions"
Are we talking about the same person here?
My money is on this shrink being one of his two friends and a member of his church. That's my only explination why his view is so drasticly dissimilar to mine. JT is unprofessional, narowminded and paranoid.
Even so, I think Jack belongs in the "Crazy, but not crazy enough" section of people.
Wiki: "An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim."
"... he will be more moderate in his writing style in the future."
I find this hard to believe for some reason. Anyway... I'm waiting for the "hooah" and "I told you so" statements.
Golly, Jack, you sure do your profession credit. I don't even have to add any commentary to your pleadings. And this is just what I skimmed out, I'm sure there's plenty more in your rambling little epistle.
Being an ass or being crazy doesn't necessarily mean someone should lose their job, but being being completely inempt at one's job, regardless if that ineptitude is a result of being crazy or an ass, is a good reason for it. None of the laws he's helped written have survived the courts, he doesn't win cases, and most importantly, he refuses to play by the rules set forth by the legal system (and yet still fails completely). Why should he be allowed to practice law?
Also, given that his "job" is as an ambulance chaser, publicity whore, and burden on the legal system and tax-payers (he sure as hell isn't cutting it as an author), his loss is our gain.
Well, that pretty much confirms what we've suspected all along as to how he manages to find the time to post here. Now we know for certain he has nothing better to do but sit at home and Google his name all day and read what we say about him here. :P
you see, it's not that we think he's obsessed with that, it's that we think he's obsessed with thinking that that's what's being "marketed towards children" and then when someone points out a flaw, he goes apeshit on them.
"I asked Mr. Thompson about the hyperbole and sarcasm that I read in some of his motions/pleadings. He said that he realizes that he may have offended some with his ad hominem writings, and he will be more moderate in his writing style in the future. He reported that there was a factual basis to each of his written statements. "
Notice that the good doctor never actually sees any of this "factual basis", he only reports that JT himself believes there to be.
Methinks someone didn't follow this line of thought very far...
At least someone does. Seriously people, just because some one's an ass doesn't mean they're so insane they should lose their job. Also, out of curiosity, does anyone else get the impression that Jack is getting a sense of humor about this whole thing [a good thing, by the way]?
blah blah blah blah
His recent tactic of "I'll sue everyone that brings a case against me to get the case thrown out" isn't going to work this time. He will need to provide actual contrary evidence in a court room to dispute the evidence the Florida Bar has accumulated against him. In short, he's going to need to act like a lawyer, which, from I've seen, he's spectacularly incapable of.
"I don't think he's sworn off ad hominem attacks."
Recently, Thompson has said that the crux of the Alabama bar complaints is the fact that Thompson failed to fully disclose his disciplinary history. Thompson claims he only had to reveal suspensions or disbarments. A look at items 6 through 9 on the Alabama Pro Hac Vice Application seems to confirm that. Further confirmation of Thompson’s claim comes from an old Tuscaloosa News article.
Defense attorneys claimed Thompson didn’t disclose to Judge Moore his complete disciplinary history with the Florida Bar Association. Judge Moore agreed.
“Mr. Thompson failed to completely disclose the extensive background of those proceedings in his application for pro hac vice," Judge Moore writes.
Now, I’ve not read Judge Moore’s 18-page explanation of Thompson’s Pro Hac Vice revocation, but that same Tuscaloosa News article indicates that Thompson’s disciplinary history was the least of Moore’s concerns.
The longest portion of Moore’s order dealt with allegations that Thompson had violated rules of professional conduct. The rules require lawyers “to conduct themselves in accordance with the highest standards of honesty, integrity and civility," Judge Moore writes.
“Mr. Thompson felt compelled to smear opposing counsel, other attorneys with no involvement in this case and individuals," Judge Moore writes. Later he adds, “Mr. Thompson’s conduct towards opposing counsel has demonstrated a repeated inability to conduct himself with the required professional courtesy and civility."
Judge Moore went on to cite numerous examples of what he considered Thompson’s breach of the rules.
Let’s have a look at item 15 on the same application Thompson was so kind enough to link to.
15. Applicant agrees to comply with the provisions of the Alabama Rules of Professional Conduct, and applicant consents to the jurisdiction of the courts and the disciplinary boards of the State of Alabama.
Hmm. Well, it looks to me that Judge Moore’s main problem is Thompson’s behavior not his “failure” to disclose his disciplinary history.
Judge Moore found that “extrajudicial" statements by Thompson violated the Rules of Professional Conduct. And he said that Thompson violated a gag order he imposed during Devin’s Moore’s criminal trial.
“Mr. Thompson’s actions before this court suggest that he is unable to conduct himself in a manner befitting practice in this state."
I’m not saying that Thompson’s complaint against Judge Moore is unjustified, but it does seem to be the least important factor in this whole shindig.
Andrew Eisen
Jack, with all these "press releases" that you seem to fire off without actually doing any research, I would simply like to know if you studied journalism under Stephen Glass of The New Republic. You both share a penchant to create these wild-eyed sensationalistic stories, but each of you have no proof to back anything up.
I feel that if he went to the Bar's chosen shrink he'd get the same results.
Face it guys, he isn't crazy, and if the Bar has made these mistakes regarding his case, he won't be losing his law license any time soon.
That's an excellent point. The eval didn't touch on the idea of Jack's obsession with everything Rockstar/TakeTwo, legal conspiracies spanning the globe and government, etc. Only whether he was "obsessed" with the persecution of obscenity in general.
For example, methinks the Dr. would raise his eyebrows at the assertion that Wendy's Restaurants was a partner in the global distribution of pornography to children (on of JT's more... shall we say, interesting claims)
Gamers.. just because one man shames his, and my, religion... does that mean ALL that have that faith are at the same level? It sure seems to me that's what most of you, if not all, that have said anything regarding his faith have said. I'm sorry for the way that "person" acts, but that doesn't give you the right to act just like him; that's what you're doing, I have read every comment here and I see the same load, that JT being a devout Christian automatically makes him, and all other Christians, blind fanatics. YES, JT is a blind fanatic, BUT, not all Christians are. And furthermore, is he a blind fanatic of EXTREMIST Christianity? Or is he of his own agenda?
And before anybody makes any comments about why I have that faith, I choose to, my parents didn't make me, my friends didn't make me, I choose to. I'm not saying that what somebody else believes is wrong, I'm just saying that what I believe is what's for me.
Now... to Mr. Thompson...
You sir are a shame to Christians everywhere. Not only do you attack others based upon what they believe, but you also submit slander, accusing things of actions that could not be committed by them; a video game can't hurt anybody, it's a tool for enjoyment. It's up to the person to decide to pull that trigger, to grasp that blade, or to strangle that person with their bare hands. You make it sound as if a person needs a tool to kill, sorry. The human body is so fragile that it can be paralyzed with the slightest touch, and can be killed with the slightest touch as well; it is within man's very nature to destroy, to kill, and you are lowering us all if you believe that we need something to aid us in those pursuits.
Do I promote wanton violence? Do I promote murder? Do I promote destruction of physical property or the vandalism of it? NO! I would never agree with such a thing, because REAL life has REAL consequences. SOMEBODY has to suffer in REAL life due to your bloody actions if you decide to murder somebody, or if you decide to smack them around with a bat, or if you decide to destroy their property. YOU. SHOULD. KNOW. THIS. In a game, there are no such consequences because it's NOT REAL. What about small children crashing together Hot Wheels cars? Are they going to one day just crash into another REAL care because they did so with toys? THIS is no different, not in the least. Video games, toys, books, music, movies, TV, they're all TOOLS and video games just happen to be the newest, the least understood. We think they're foreign because they're new and yet they're no different than toys or books.
In short.
Gamers. Stop being like the man you despise. Stop lumping us Christians all together, because we are NOT all alike.
Mr. Thompson. Stop shaming our faith by lying, cheating, and maliciously attacking people verbally based upon their own preferences. Just because they aren't yours doesn't meant they're wrong, I think you should have learned that much if you had actually done what a devout Christian does and READS THEIR BIBLE.
Thank you all and good day..
I was saying that in different terms. But the issue that comes up even with that is the actual tests done. For example, the MMPI is designed to identify places where there are at least red flags. Then the practitioner can take action from there, whether it's simply evaluation or involves a plan of treatment.
Now, those tests are not supposed to be specific to issues posed to the tester. They CAN be, but that's why I said I couldn't really say without seeing everything. Going by what's supposed to be standard practice, things should have been caught in a full work-up. And by the way, those tests are pretty difficult to tailor to individual needs.
-Mike Schwinger
So when you compared Doug Lowenstein to Saddam Hussein, you had factual evidence to back that up? I had no idea that Doug went to war with another country, used his kids to promote violence and strike fear into his subjects, and used chemical weapons to perform ethnic cleansing.
Jack, you and I know this is not a matter of health or sanity. This is a matter of bad faith. You have continuously mouthed off piss poor statement after piss poor statement. Remember the statement you made about Jeffrey Weise's heart rate never rising about 60 beats per minute? A clear indication that he either had a sever case of bradycardia or you flat-out lied. Do you remember the statement that you made about gamers being the only group of people to shoot others in the head beside assassins? Where did you pull that one from? What about the Virginia Tech massacre? I'm sure that Jack Thompson knew more about Cho Seung Hui than his roommate, but wait, do you have factual evidence to back that up? Nope, didn't think so.
If a patient posts their own confidential information for the world to see, that doesn't reflect in the least on the doctor.
@Iniquus
The thing is, the scope of the test was extremely limited. He could very well have problems that are not listed in the report, simply because they aren't relevant to the three questions that are being asked. This does not however mean that all questions that the Bar wished answered are, nor does it mean that information outside of the scope of this exam is information irrelevant to the Bar's questions.
For example, this testing would seem to exclude consideration and/or reporting on whether or not Jack is paranoid. That's rather key from the standpoint that judges have in the past commented on Jack's claims of conspiracy. Nor does it appear to address the "with me or against me" splitting that has caused Jack difficulty in the legislative arena. Again, that's outside the scope of the test.
I personal have never really doubted your sanity JT, all jocking aside as to your personality.
What I, and most others doubt, is your professionalizm, and yout competence to be a lawyer. You might be obbsessive, rude, and vile, doesn't mean your nuts.
That being said, it's the florida bar who still has the final say.
Don't get me wrong jack, I still think your a vile and pathetic excuse for a human being. But as has been stated, I"m no shrink, if anything my jobs made me more akin to a hostage negoiator then a shrink, but anyway.
I dont doubt that you can appear quite sane when you need to. But the record speaks for itself, and even if your not crazy, your still a vulgar, vile, reprehensible excuse for a human being, and shouldn't be practicing law.
I'll leave it up to the Bar to decide about that though.
Dennis also fails to report that Dr. Wunderman is recognized by The Bar itself as an expert in such matters, as he has done other evaulations for The Bar and he has in fact lectured to The Bar about this issue. Mr. McCauly managed to exclude these facts from the above story. Nice going, Dennis."
Sooo, bribe money was involved?
"Excuse me, gamers, but Dr. Wunderman’s reputation is at stake, and he thus administered hours of tests. He is widely known in this community to be an honest professional. The Bar had to come forward with some evidence, from some source, of my alleged mental illness. The Bar refused. This is the result. Deal with it."
BAHAHAHAHA, well guess what, he just put his own reputation at stake. The BAR doesn't have to put forth such evidence or prove anything to you, they can keep it to themselves for however long they wish, which, if it's up until the trial, is their business, that trial of which you have been trying desperately to weasel out of, and no one tries to get out of anything like this unless they fear it.
Oh is it? Well then you had better not post anything that says for confidential use only? Oh wait... you did? Wow, what a fucking moron you are.
I do believe that JT didn't submit all he should have. But honestly, he may not have needed to. And without looking at every piece of testing and information personally, what he posted stands.
Mr. Thompson, thank you for that. As I've said before, no matter what else, I do respect you for standing by what you believe.
-Mike Schwinger
Thompson can't do that... that would be far too logical.
I thought the Florida Bar requested a court selected examination. Which means they say "You go here and see this person at this time.." not yourself selecting an examiner. Even though the Bar uses the one you selected it was still your own choice and this is the Bar's evaluation of you, so if they chose to have it redone with their own selected doctor, i wouldn't blame them. They still have a case.
If you want Dennis to link tothe report, why don't you add the link in your next post. It will save time and would be less annoying of you.
His rudeness, lies, and generally unethical behavior takes the attention AWAY from videogames and directs it all on HIMSELF. Once again, we have a topic that focuses more on JT than on the real issues at hand. Hell, half the time videogames aren't even discussed when JT is involved.
Also, I just deposed Judge Moore in Alabama, the one presiding over the GTA copycat murder case. He is at the center of The Florida Bar's case against me. Guess what? The case just fell apart. Can't wait to tell the various courts involved. Hooah indeed!
JustAnObservation, no apology necessary. :) All is well. :)
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Well, THAT explains a lot!
A little ways after John Bruce gave the name of the Dr., I did post again, as well as my feelings regarding a possible relationship between the two doctors.
There are a number of psychologists and counselors, especially family doctors, that use religion as a basis for their therapies. Nothing exceptionally wrong with that. An individual may choose a counselor who uses religion as a basis for counseling or may choose one who does not.
However, as it applies to this specific case, there is a conflict of interest. Not from the combination of religion and psychology, but from the evaluator potentially sharing similar religious beliefs (to some degree, large or small) with the person being evaluated. As such, the potential for a conflict of interest should be considered.
I used an example previously of a psychologist evaluating Fred Phelps that shared, to some degree, Phelps's opinions on homosexuality. Should such an evaluation occur, a conflict of interest would seem apparent. The conflict of interest would not be because the psychologist uses a standard belief that homosexuality is bad and thus he counsels people along those lines but rather that his beliefs are so closely similar to Phelps that he may not be able to make a fair and unbiased evaluation of Phelps.
That is the conflict of interest I'm referring to.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
How many violent - even murderous - teens were seen by qualified figures and deemed *capable* of controlling their demons?
Thompson acts like an idiot around us so that we will underestimate him.
Unless you yourself can PROVE (not just observe and make hypotheses) that things like evolution, global warming, life on other planets, atomic theory and so on are indeed facts, then you are accepting the statements of others based on faith. I called them "holy writ" as a matter of literary hyperbole.
And thanks for starting out your letter to me by calling me something you consider a derogatory name ... brother. (*that was sarcasm, in case the tone didn't make the translation*)
"Superior Intellectual Functioning"
What does this mean? Are we supposed to believe that JT has a high IQ? Does this mean he's book-smart (has knowledge, but that's it)? Does he display common sense? Why Is It Capitalized? Just the way its delivered in the report leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
"does not suffer from any major mental illness or impairment"
This doesn't mean a lot. It say MAJOR mental illness or impairment. It could mean that he does suffer from several less severe illnesses or have characteristics associated with some. This is NOT a clean bill of health in my book.
"Mr. Thompson does not report or display any of said obsessions"
That means the psychiatrist didn't delve too deeply into the subject (wasn't getting paid enough?). The evaluation was apparently based on what Jack gave supplied ("think I'll leave my journal of conspiracy theories out of this") and what they observed in Jack. This is far from a complete analysis. Supplying them with Jack's writings on this site alone should display Jack's obsession.
"That is, his self-report"
See the above.
"his relationships with his wife and two close personal friends "
Something seems to be missing. That would be his son. There is no mention of his son. Does this bother anyone else?
There's more, but, alas, I lack the time to go into everything.
I would just like to say that I'm overjoyed, because Jack cannot resort to pleading insanity when the Florida bar decides that his antics are unwelcome and are likely more reminiscent of the show trials in predetermined courts around the world. Jack, there is a reason you've lost your pro hac vice status in Alabama (so stop pretending that you're representing them for the umpteenth time) and the same applies to the judge who heard your call for "Bully" to be banned (I hope you learned that bringing oversized signs is a bad idea). You truly are a work of art, you have perfected the misguided quest for (perceived) justice without proper procedure or education.
As a man who is supposed to be professional you would think he would have some sort of manners on a site owned and run by GP. I'm sure there are plenty of Doctors that are recognized by "The Bar", but doctors are NOT always right are they. Maybe they need to obseve you in your daily routine jack, then we shall see who is insane.
That's because his relationship with his son involves sending him into game stores to buy game that are not appropriate for him, only to mock and abuse the games. Which, in my opinion goes against 'displaying said obsessions'.
Probably both.
I call for a massive mooning! XD
Load of bull. It's obvious by the recent incident concerning Bioshock ads that he cares nothing of "the exposure of minors to obscenity and violence," but only of "the exposure of minors to video games." If he cared about the former in general, he'd have complained about WWE being shown at that hour as well.
Wow, zealot much?
Religion is a good thing, but like all things it is only good in moderation.
I'm a Christian myself which gives me all the right to be critical about other christians thank you very much.
I also believe in science, evolution and the possibility of life on other planets.
Science is absolutely no "Holy writ" nor does it tell "storys".
Religion in general tells "storys" withouth proof.
Faith is all about accepting things without proof or needing proof.
Science is all about proving and testing things to find answers to questions, even if the questions are unpopular ones.
God did give us that grey lump of stuff for a reason you know.
He may not have needed to "bribe" the evaluator.
Scroll up to my previous post about the Dr. that may have been the evaluator and you'll find that, if it is the same person, she may be just as extremist as he is and therefore, the evaluation may actually be biased and tainted.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
As much as I'd like to believe that, history is a better teacher. Thompson can only hold his tongue for so long before resorting to hyperbole and ludicrous statements. I think the psychologist should have examined how short JT's fuse is...
Then again, the Bar shot themselves in the foot by demanding this. You don't need to be mentally unstable to be an ass...
Fair play, if thats the case them I apologise to Nightwing. I'll pay more attention next time.
Unless there's an ensuing zombie epidemic or alien invasion that only he knew was coming.
I personally don't think Jack is mentally disturbed, I think he's a jerk. Just because someone can troll forums, holds strong opinions that run contrary to groupthink and can act in an unprofessional matter doesnt mean he's a mental.
I, for one, welcome our alien and zombie masters and pledge my undying loyalty to them.
Time for a face full of alien wing-wong!
Also just cause you got a mental health check doesn't mean the case against you with the bar is now done and collapsing as you put it. I fail to see how you getting your own test done that wasn't court approved proves anything with the bar case. All of us know your report is bias in a court of law and that it can't/won't get accepted by the court. I am not sure who you are trying to fool with this but man I wish you luck and its now evident that people should really be praying for you to get better.
Five years later I'm back at another shrink to deal with problems that were never really solved.
My point is that the shrink can only judge what Thompson shows him. If Thompson restrains any extreme emotion or opinions and generally acts cool, he could probably fool a shrink.
Read the header of the report Jack posted:
Wunderman & Wunderman, P.A.
Oren Wunderman, Ph.D. Terilee Wunderman, Ph.D. 7600 Red Road, Suite 222 Galloway Professional Center South Miami, Florida 33143 8600 S.W. 92nd Street, Suite 203 Licensed Psychologist (PY 3862) Miami, Florida 33156 Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist (MT 716) Licensed Psychologist (PY 4278)
Licensed Mental Health Counselor (MH 255) Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist (MT 914)
It's apparent that the Teri Wunderman that nightwng found may very well be the Terilee Wunderman listed here. As such nighwng's concerns still have bearing on the matter.
Uh............... I'm pretty sure Christianity Distorts EVERYTHING......... esp Evangelical Christianity......
listed allegations. As such, this report is not data-exhaustive of all information obtained or all clinical findings and opinions."
This is the key part here. This evaluation is focused solely on the question of obsessions and whether he has mental problems that impair his ability to practice law.
"I read a number of Mr. Thompson’s motions to The Florida Bar and one responsive motion from The Florida Bar. Also, I read several of his letters
and other documents on his website."
This is also key, as much of his objectionable behavior occurs outside of his court filings in regards to the Bar. Additionally what website is considered to be "his website"? To the best of my knowledge, Jack doesn't maintain a website.
A quick google search of his name reveals a jackthompson.org that is supportive of him, but claims no affiliation with him. It also does appear reluctant to update several of it's specifics sections to reflect the fact that various games have been long since released, or other things resolved. For example, it calls Bully still in development, and does not cover the failure of Jacks efforts in the courtroom, and the associated behavior. It's "A Modest Video Game Proposal" section ends with him "taking up legal action" against PA in the form of his complaint to the Seattle PD that PA was trying to extort him. If the above mentioned website is the one that Dr. Wunderman reviewed, it most definitely displays bias.
In any case, Jack can have mental problems that do not impair his ability to practice law, but do impair his ability to behave in the civilized and professional manner that the Bar requires. This evaluation would not catch the later.
Additionally Mr. Thompson, I would like to point out to you that Dennis is most likely just respecting your right to privacy under the HIPAA laws, It's not a matter of censorship, it's a matter of respecting doctor patient confidentiality. Not to mention that once the report is released in the manner it has been, you lose much of the ability to require people to obtain your or your doctor's permission to use it.
In fact, see: http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051119/NEWS/5...
"...The longest portion of Moore’s order dealt with allegations that Thompson had violated rules of professional conduct. The rules require lawyers “to conduct themselves in accordance with the highest standards of honesty, integrity and civility," Judge Moore writes.
“Mr. Thompson felt compelled to smear opposing counsel, other attorneys with no involvement in this case and individuals," Judge Moore writes. Later he adds, “Mr. Thompson’s conduct towards opposing counsel has demonstrated a repeated inability to conduct himself with the required professional courtesy and civility."
Judge Moore went on to cite numerous examples of what he considered Thompson’s breach of the rules.
Defense attorneys claimed Thompson didn’t disclose to Judge Moore his complete disciplinary history with the Florida Bar Association. Judge Moore agreed.
“Mr. Thompson failed to completely disclose the extensive background of those proceedings in his application for pro hac vice," Judge Moore writes.
Judge Moore found that “extrajudicial" statements by Thompson violated the Rules of Professional Conduct. And he said that Thompson violated a gag order he imposed during Devin’s Moore’s criminal trial.
Judge Moore said Thompson has the right to appeal his decision.
Where do I sign up?
Tee hee!
Andrew Eisen
Therein the problem lies. "Privately" sourcing someone for an opinion.
That is why, typically, a 3rd party is appointed who is not biased either way.
But good going Jack, your pocket shrinks glowing report is a little too buttery to take at face value mate. Regardless of the truth of the matter (hell, the thing could be 100% above board for all I know), the appearance is what matters, and this appears fishy.
Trust me, it's him. I've been reading the site long enough to recognize his distinctive style, and his identity has been confirmed through IP checks, phone, and email.
Those not exposed to him often have trouble believing that a grown man and an attorney made the postings... It's a common question.
ah, those were fun days on the old-school GP...
http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/134653.html
It is. Dennis knows his IP and let's him post, and deletes any comments from fake Jacks. that and the online Jack types the same way he talks.
Here's an idea everyone... Anyone ever seen the movie "Merlin" starring Sam Neil? There is a scene at the end where he and the entire kingdom turn their backs on the sorceress, Mab, thus showing that they forget her and are ignoring her, thus killing her. I say we to the same thing...we just forget all about Jack "Mab" Thompson.
Jack...I turn my back on you.
sorry i thought he was acting with defence councel saying that devin wasnt responsible for what he did how could he be when company a and b have lots of money we can take
Like I said repeatedly:
This case in Alabama will go down in flames, as history is against the classless, disgraceful families of the three police officers. Ozzy Osbourne beat a lawsuit over his song “Suicide Solution”, Judas Priest beat a similiar lawsuit, and Oliver Stone beat a lawsuit over the movie “Natural Born Killers”. The same result(Take-Two winning in Alabama) will happen.
Practice what you preach, jabroni: Grow up and Get a life.
Let's face it:
If you don't post it, John Bruce will (a) post it himself and (b) bitch that you, Dennis, didn't post it yourself.
If you did post it, John Bruce would have most likely bitched that you posted his private information on a public forum.
I think you chose the most reasonable of the two in the end.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
I agree, keeping other people's private matters private is a sign of professionalism. Of course Jack can make it public if he wants, seeing that it's his private information to begin with.
honestly if dennis had posted his pysch eval jt would have sued him
But he seems so subdued in his postings now. I dunno
could really use an edit button
Sorry, but I don't trust you enough to believe you lied...
After all, we're talking about JT, fake or not, there are lies involved :P
Jack's probably just trying to avoid another IP ban. While he's certainly known for his vitriol, he's quite capable of toning it down if/when the situation demands it.
Not to say that his arguments are good arguments. I just think there's a bit of hypocrisy being thrown about here.
the only way that makes sense if jt thinks hes being disqualified for medical reasons (as he has stated in previous posts) but hes actually facing disbarrment for unprofessional conduct so this is gonna be a great september
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I would question the right to hold a license of any psychologist who truly believes that Thompson can be accurately assessed based solely on Thompson's self-reporting of his own actions, reactions, and apopleptic accusations against others. Particularly when there is so much documentation and media coverage publically available revealing to what extreme extents Thompson is up in arms and blindly driven by his ideals over reality. For both the obsessive (and closely adhering to the characteristics of a classic psychotic) Thompson and the person who simply believed his take on events and behavior in his past, such a "professional" might need to go back to school....
true but theres a difference between crazy and "crazy" and to be honest this report only points out the the doctors professionalism should be also called into question
I've got to say that I have to side with Thompson on this one (a frightening prospect). Thompson is sane, probably does have a fairly tight familial bond, and probably really is stressed out. He very definitely has a few more personal attacks than the rest of us do simply from his infamy if nothing else, which is probably a contributing factor. He might even be stressed to an extent where he may resort to ad hominem arguments at those who disagree with him.
I don't agree with Thompson's efforts against video games or his methods of portraying those efforts, but I can't believe how many people here and elsewhere will start finding fault every time he does something. Granted I agree with some of it, but with the rest it seems to be an inane attempt to prove that we're the winners because we said so.
All said and done, though, a jerk is still a jerk. I just wish we would stop being jerks back at him. Also, considering his reportedly strong relationship with his family, he may very well end up being a nice guy if only you were on the same side he is. My personal judgment remains neutral until the day I meet him and see for myself, though (which is a highly unlikely occurrence).
hm, makes you wonder how many times Jack has watched "A Few Good Men"
YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH (sorry someone had to do it)
Sad when you think about it. Because it's only a show.
Even Sociopaths can put a show on for psych tests and pass.
That and most of the data about thompson only came from the horse's mouth. I mean all Wunderman did was talk to JT, but if he had looked at some of the things he's said from wikiquote, it's obivous that the outcome would have been different.
You still haven't returned anything in response to my open letter to you regarding the Virginia Tech shootings.
this time your going to be dealing with superior lawyers sorry dumbass its gonna take a hell lot more than a dog and pony show to impress them (heres a hint dumbass the bar has probably seen every shoddy trick in the book and they are getting VERY tired of assholes like you ruining the legal professions name)
1. forensic exams, like the psychologist's, can be and should be read by the person ordering before a decision is made to use it. If there is a bad result, they can go to another therapist and get another one. They can continue doing so until they either run out of money or get what they want. The evaluations they do not use remain confidential and the Court knows nothing of them. That is why there are generally either two competing forensic studies (plaintiff's and defendant's) or one court-ordered one (that is neutral and the only such exam). So this one test is interesting but not conclusive.
2. Thompson seems to be in a bind. Either he is mentally ill (bipolar disorder is the most likely diagnosis) or he is not. If not, then he has no good excuse for his terrible behavior before the Court and should be removed from the Bar. He is disrespectful to the Court system and, without some good explanation, that should not be tolerated.
3. If he is Bipolar, his mood state can change and it will be difficult for even the best of therapists to diagnose it. However, several court-ordered psychology evaluations is a tip-off that he is, indeed, bipolar.
4. JT is the greatest ally that gamers could ask for. He frustrates/angers anybody and everybody he works with. He is entirely ineffectual. So all, stop complaining and celebrate his contributions to the debate. And, if nothing else, he is entertaining.
while it is true that he doesnt really pose a threat to video games the legal profession prefers to avoid black eyes whenever possible =p
And he has a habit of making other people's private info public.
this is my GUESS. he wants to try this case in the media (he usually does this) the problem is this isnt an official case its a disciplainry hearing
he state of mind is only being called into question to see if hes fit to stand before the bar for disciplainry action
Lock him up!
Actually, bipolar disorder isn't quite like that. Yes, the trademark of bipolar disorder is cycling between intense opposite moods, it's slow. He could be in the same mood for a year. The minimum to be in an episode is two weeks. That's even with the "rapid cycling" sub-type. And the only mood that would be hard for a traind professional to identify would be hypomania. It can be hard to spot because it is very common for it to not actually be impairing. For the most part, bipolar patients are misdiagnosed, not diagnosed as well.
I would love to. But unfortunately even if we don't pay attention to him the ignorant masses will. And if we stay silent and let him do all the talking, well bad things would come down the tubes.
the fact is if that "old man" is the only voice talking about video games, people will listen.
if i went around saying upsetting things about your kids that were blatantly untrue, you would feel obliged to correct them, no?
Jack Thompson is doing exactly that. he spreads lies on national television about your child and everyone else who enjoys playing games. if nobody counters him, people will accept his lies as truth.