U.K. Conservative Slams Violent Games & other Influences in Wake of Youth Slaying

August 25, 2007 -
In the wake of the brutal ride-by slaying of an 11-year-old Liverpool boy on Wednesday, the leader of Great Britain's Conservative Party has attacked a number of cultural influences - including video games. As reported by the Times, David Cameron said:
What has become of our society when we have this spate of children killing children?”

It means understanding and acting on that age-old maxim that it takes a village to raise a child. It means retailers stopping the sale of alcohol to young teenagers. It means music companies, media companies, games manufacturers, not just thinking, ‘What is my social responsibility as a company in terms of the projects I support and the charities I back, good and important as they are’, but asking, ‘What is the effect of the music I produce, the games I market and the programmes I broadcast?’

Coincidentally, fellow Conservative Jeremy Hunt was interviewed recently by MCV regarding the British game industry. Among his comments:
The UK video games industry is obviously a vitally important part of our economy. The Government needs to do all it can to support the video games sector and allow it to flourish.

I would, however, place equal weight on the cultural influence that games can have. As children and young people make up a significant proportion of video game users it is important for the industry to act in a responsible and sensitive way.

Issues involving content have largely focused on the negative aspects associated with games. The arguments around Resistance: Fall of Man and Manchester Cathedral being the most recent example. The industry needs to accept it has a duty to act responsibly when it comes to appropriate content and politicians and the media needs to realise that the industry can have a positive impact on young people’s lives...

I believe that it is time for the games industry to act in a responsible and sensitive way and play their part in the prevention of unsuitable material falling into the hands of children. It is essential that manufacturers take seriously the messages sent out by violent and increasingly life-like video games and I believe that most currently do so.

Comments

Jack Thompson, Attorney Says:

August 25th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
Cameron understands what teen gamers do not: That adults are in charge of this world and should be. Further, everyone on this planet who has power has a responsibility to exercise it for the common good. Heck, even Spiderman gets that.

Thank God for MP Cameron, as adult leaders on both sides of the pond are understanding that pop culture is by and large raw sewage in which teens are drowning.

Once you kids grow up, you’ll understand. Until then, pay attention. You’ll learn something. Remember, I was once as ignorant as you. I grew up.

Jack Thompson

PS: Hooah!


Funny, I don't consider becoming a bitter old man who wants to censor and/or ban everything he doesn't like as growing up and admitting to trying to destroy companies he disagrees with. Maybe thats because I have better morals.

Btw Jack, I thought you told your "shrink" you were going to lay off the ad hominems - guessed you lied to him to, like you do most everyone else.

That's right, Jack, Cherry-pick one immature post and generalize half the world for it.

What's that? Almost all the other posts are well constructed and mature?

Oh, don't let that get in your way.

Love how you lied about the whole 'I'll try not be be sarcastic anymore' thing.

Oh, P.S., hi everyone! First time poster, long time reader!

"Cameron understands what teen gamers do not: That adults are in charge of this world and should be. "


Oh they are? Okay as I am 27 years old I decree that you shall stop trying to interfere with my hobby. I am in charge after all.

In fairness, Jack simply copied someone else's response to the all caps statement (A gamer, I might add). But if I were to copy and paste every stupid, rude or downright untrue thing that Jack had ever posted, I'd probably burn out the server.

@GoodRobotUs

Check his wikiquote page. Its full of slanderous, hateful, racist, garbage.

Jack Thompson STFU. Atleast some of the UK politicans are seeing the bigger picture. While your still narrow minded. Atleast DC is being semi sensible. However there are just mad f*ckers out there which do crazy stuff for no reason.

Ohh btw, stop treating us like kids, I'm 18, and by law here (Scotland), I can go out drinking, gamble, watch\look at legal porn, and most importantly play games like GTA and Manhunt all I like.

And if you think every kid will go crazy after playing games, then you need open your eyes, as I've played Doom, a game rated 15 in the Uk since I was 5 years old, supirviced by my father. Not once have I ever thought of turning a gun on anyone else............

.........bar in these laser shooting games and I quiet fancy going paintballing sometime as well as in "murder simulation" games.

As the song, In the Summertime, by Mungo Jerry goes,

"We're no threat, people
We're not dirty, we're not mean
We love everybody but we do as we please"

You may not relise it but 99.99% of gamers can sing that and be truthful, myself included.

Guys! I got quoted by Jack Thompson! I'm a celebrity, get me out of here!!

Well, if I had any doubts that JT was a rotten and spoiled troublemaker during his childhood, I have no regrets now. I mean, to say that "you were once like us but you've grown up" says a lot about what you were like back then. I could imagine what you've done during those times.

Fun fact: The "Censor everything in the name of the children" crowd are almost ALWAYS the ones who had rotten childhoods and were troublemakers at their prime. When they grow up, they got so guilty of their actions that they believe they should police what people like because they believe every child is as rotten as they were. Too bad most of us here at Gamepolitics were good little boys and girls during our childhood. Or at least, we don't get into a HUGE amount of trouble like whatever you did, JT.

David Cameron talking like he understands the circumstances and culture that end up with kids running amok in the UK and commit crime like this (yes, I live there) just makes me laugh. How can an old etonian who sends his kids to private school ever understand how these kids think.

It would be wonderful if all families could be loaded and upepr class - but funnily enough it doesnt work that way. How about setting some *serious* examples of persistant youth offenders so they have a little respect for the system.

Desperation, boredom, knowing no other way and a lack of consequences for actions are the real causes of antisicial behaviour and crime over here.

(I prefer the idea of kids that have nothing better to do playing games than hanging around and causing trouble tbh, irony indeed.)

@ Jack Thompson

Quit lying to yourself and everyone else. You've never grown up. You're the most ignorant fool I've ever heard.

Here's a movie quote for you:

"That would be me. I was swimming in raw sewage. I love it! I LOVE IT!"- Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad, Naked Gun 2 1/2: The Smell of Fear

Like I said, I'm 27 and if you think that's a "kiddie" in your brain-dead logic, then your career and life has more serious problems than we ever thought.

Practice what you preach, you petulant, childish assclown: Grow up and get a life. But I guess you don't have the testicular fortitude to do that.

@ Jack Thompson

One more thing:

You're the last person who should be talking about "pop culture being raw sewage", when you've dipped into that so-called "moral sewer" everytime you mention Paducah, Columbine, Red Lake, Virginia Tech, that bullshit case in Alabama, the Cody Posey case in New Mexico, etc.

Come to think of it, you're an enabler, since everytime you go on TV whining about any video game, you advertise said game and its sales go up because of your whining.

Practice what you preach, you petulant, childish assclown: Grow up and get a life.

"Cameron understands what teen gamers do not: That adults are in charge of this world and should be. Further, everyone on this planet who has power has a responsibility to exercise it for the common good. Heck, even Spiderman gets that."

What gamer thought gamers were in charge?

"Thank God for MP Cameron, as adult leaders on both sides of the pond are understanding that pop culture is by and large raw sewage in which teens are drowning."

What culture do you suggest then, Mr. Thompson? None at all?

"Once you kids grow up, you’ll understand. Until then, pay attention. You’ll learn something. Remember, I was once as ignorant as you. I grew up."

This coming from the person who continually spouts self-centered bullcrap like 'I'm right and you're not, so there.' That kind of arguement stopped working around the age of four. YOU grow up.

"What a calm and measured response that aids in proving that gamers are not socially mal-adjusted lunatics."

Oh wow. One person. Only tens of millions to go before you'll have a case, Mr. Pot-Calling-Kettle-Black.

Guys, I don't like JT as much as you guys do, he's vain, self-promoting, and let's be honest, a bit of a numpty when it comes to knowledge about matters to do with video gaming. But he does bring one point across that, although I'm gonna hate myself for doing this, I have to agree with:

Swearing profusely doesn't get your point across.

I mean lets face it, you have a brilliant idea for the company you work for, you're about to present it to your boss, it'll mean promotion and lots of extra money to get what you want. And you begin presenting it by saying:

'Yeah, I think this idea is going to be f**king brilliant, because...'

At this point, he'll immediately stop you from talking, and probably fire you from the company as well for unprofessional conduct.

Seriously guys, if you want to get a point across...less of the swearing okay? It just shows you as a foul-mouthed hooligan with nothing important to say rather than someone genuinely concerned and genuinely having a valid point to add to the topic...

"What has become of our society when we have this spate of children killing children?”

Lord of the Flies anyone?

@ Ivresse

"Show me a man who's never said 'shit' and I'll show you a man full of shit."- Chris Rock

Your example is weak, since cursing has been pretty much legitimized to an extent, and the boss isn't going to fire a person for one word.

"If you're going to tell a story about an ambiguous, ugly, brutal experience, I think one needs to be able to use ambiguous, ugly brutal language."

Besides that, if the current President and Vice President of the United States can curse during official duties and not be punished for it, why should anyone else?

@BB: Right

Children kill children because they are all HUMAN and humans have moderately violent instincts, it happens and again MAYBE the media had something to do with it but I think the problem lies with the parents but they don't get any of the heat because they are the ones voting to keep some of these people in office.

man JT must have the biggest set of blinders on known to man. I wish I could look through his rose colored glasses, although something tells me I wouldn't like what I see.

Think someone should break it to Thompson that the majority of gamers in this country ARE legally adults? You know, what with 51% of the gaming community being over the age of 18 and all?

But why let facts get in the way, eh Jack? They're just troublesome little things that get in the way of your moral crusade. God doesn't believe in facts, so they must be sinful, right? Yeah. Go you and your entourage of lies. Have fun.

All the regulation and efforts by the video game, music and movie industries and the governments of the world are not going to come to much use if the problem isn't nipped in the bud. Parents need more educational resources and programs made available to them by the community, not a nanny state who tells them how to control their children or an industry making their entertainment choices for them.

Many people are having trouble with dealing with the incessant surge of technology and parents are having a worse time of it, whether they themselves grew up with video games or not. The only recourse many feel that they have is screaming at their federal member of parliament or whatever you may call your government member for regulations and stricter laws because they themselves don't know what to do.

Parents are looking to teachers to teach their children basic values and a whole host of subjects that those children will need in future because our society has become "live to work" instead of "work to live". The prospect for many of getting home and cooking a wholesome family dinner and sitting down with their loved ones to share quality time is a distant memory for many of us, parents working so hard to survive in our society that their children are screaming for attention, acting out and turning to video games as both a source of something to do and a way of stirring the pot. I was a rebel myself as a teenager exactly for that reason because my own parents were always busy working to keep our family going.

And it does seem like as soon as children hit school age, they're dropped off at school and that's where they learn everything from reading and counting to how to cook, clean and balance a budget while their parents try to keep all the bills under control. I'll admit very freely that today's society is becoming a very lonely place to live.

I do believe that there needs to be an element of social responsibility within these companies and their products, but there also needs to be more awareness from society as a whole. I also believe there needs to be more support for parents, and more education available for them. Our own parents have either been so busy or so absent (in the case of single parent families) that the opportunities enjoyed by previous generations are no longer available to us now. I learned how to cook and clean as a stroke of luck than as a typical everyday chore like it was for my mother, I learned how to balance a budget purely through trial and error rather than growing up seeing how my parents did it.

If our governments truly want to help the youth of the 21st century, they'll stop jumping on the bandwagon of every moral panic that the media and other sensationalists create and start looking at how they can help the typical family, whether it's through tax cuts, parenting courses or simply providing services along the lines of someone you can call at 2am because little Jimmy's not home or little Sally's got a cough, someone you can talk to about how to bring up a kid when your own parents don't have the answers or you just don't have the support there.

I'd happily pay twice as much tax if parents were given the tools and resources to raise their own children and teachers were given the opportunity to teach what they should be teaching (ie english, maths, science etc) while the government stops making laws which are unconstitutional or just plain stupid (see Australia's latest "net filter" for another example of a complete waste of money).

All a nanny state is going to do is slowly turn our society into total anarchy and all pushing these companies is going to do is make them less inclined to go along with every new law and regulation. Responsibility is a two way street, parents need to get involved too and without the right tools at their disposal, the situation's only going to get worse, no matter how much the governments lean on these poor companies.

@ Mister Thompson
"everyone on this planet who has power has a responsibility to exercise it for the common good. Heck, even Spiderman gets that."

How true which is why I support self-regulation and the ESRB, as many other individual and organizations do including the FTC report you yourself have used in your posts. Of course you never do seem to want to admit that the report was pro-self regulation do you John Bruce. Legislation is not a synonym for the common good. Truth is in the common good; civility and professionalism are in the common good; fostering personal responsibility is in the common good. You stand for one I will continue to stand for and support those who stand for the others.

Ah, typical hypocritical conservative garage. Don't you love when someone who worships a ficticious, genocidal, bronze-age war god claims to know what is "good" and "just" for children? You think people like Thompson and Cameron would be opposed to forcing children to be indoctrinated in an extremely complicated and violent religious tradition that lacks the most basic forms of evidnece.

But, of course not, it is all the fault of "teh evil videoz gamez." What I would give to see a strong leftist establishment crack down on religious practices (for the children, of course) so these Bible-thumping morons might sample a taste of their own medicine. It's time to show these superstitious pigs how relative and subjective their bullshit "values" really are.

@ GoodRobotUs

Hey, i got a link for you...

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson

@ Pandralisk

I generally try to avoid commenting on things such as this but your arguments are so far over the top that it is painful to read

first off, for the most part the people writing the Anti-video game legislation are on the left side of the political spectrum, while there are some on the right that are forerunners in the fight against violent video games (such as Brownback) most of them seem to be from the left

secondly religious belief is not a republican exclusive trait, especially when you consider that the majority of the country follows some form of Christianity, or Catholicism

your comments about the Cristian deity, whether you truly believe that or not, are at best very insensitive, and do not help to bring anything to the cause of protecting the rights of video game players and developers, and if anything hurt the cause as it paints gamers as combative and aggressive at the very least

please note that these comments are not coming from a religious person, so don't think I'm trying to just blindly defend a faith that i don't actually have

@ Beardogg-X

How pathetic of you to pick holes at common sense. Your quote's weak because you're comparing the use of 'shit' to constantly adding f**k to every single sentence in front of every single noun, which is what I'm saying is the problem.

Yes swearing is legitimised to some extent, but there's still a time and a place for using it, and constantly adding f**k when you're trying to make a point isn't one of them, it just makes you look like a child who only just discovered the word and is now using it liberally because it's cool, not someone who has a valid point to make.

Wow…an atheist version of Jack Thompson…

Way to go Pandralisk, you and Jackie boy both make bad arguments with black and white attitudes, and make each of your religions look bad in the process. Nice job, feces stain.

Once again, Jack misunderstands that games aren't just for children, and not all gamers are children.

How sad.

What is the social responsibility of a country in terms of the wars we support and the hostile coup d'etats we back, good and important as they are.
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I'm paraphrasing but far be it for most normal democracies to dictate what morale compass should be used and followed.

@ Ivresse

It's still a valid point, regardless. If you have to curse to get it across, so be it, especially considering that the opposition ignores common sense and reason.

You're being just as bad as Jacky Boy whining over one post out of an average of a hundred posts per news item. And you call me pathetic?

Ah, well, I'm agreeing to disagree and moving on.

Well, he's never going to get elected so no problem. I mean, he's getting beaten by a fat Scotsman, thats how full of crap he is :P

Seriously, Dennis, why haven't you re-banned Thompson ?

GP: I'm monitoring the situation...

@ Jack Thompson,

I honestly agree with the concept of keeping young children safe from violent videogames. Little Billy certainly doesn't need to garrote people with his Wii Remote + Nunchuck every day when he gets home from school. But the fact is, no offense, in my opinion you are going about it the wrong way.

First off, the personal attacks and broad (and often false/unproven) generalizations REALLY do a poor job of getting people to agree with your cause. It just makes you seem ridiculous, and doesn't help your cause in the slightest.

Secondly, I think the methodology you are using to try and solve the issue is suboptimal. (My opinion, I am sure almost as many holes if not more could be poked in my point of view by someone who went to the effort)

Trying to govern media through censorship and government age limits and all that still doesn't solve one major problem: More often than not, these violent videogames are being bought by the parents, not the minors themselves. (Unproven, but I have never seen anyone aside from people who appear to be either late teens or nonminors purchasing violent videogames without an adult present)

I think the more effective way to solve this problem would be this: Educating the parents and providing them the appropriate information to choose for their family what is acceptable. After all, who is giving the children the money to buy said violent videogames? Who is driving them to the store? Who sees said videogames sitting on the shelf/being played every time they come home? The parents. They know their children, and it should be there responsibility to decide what is or is not appropriate for their children. BUT, the parents need to KNOW about the content of the games their children own/want to buy, through impartial ratings systems such as the ESRB and PEGI, possibly with government backing (HERE is where your bill-writing expertise could really become useful), so that they can make educated decisions on what is best for their family. And if the child's parents don't care enough to do that much, there is FAR more wrong in that household than the fact that minors are playing violent games.

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Firstly I think this whole nonsense about the UK descending into anarchy, with rambunctious children prowling the streets is blown massively out of proportion. We need to understand that the youth has always been under fire in their respective context, be it Teddy Boys, Hippies, Mods and Rockers et cetera.

Secondly, and much more importantly, we have to unearth the reasons why the youth of today are so disaffected. How is it that in one of the richest nations on Earth the children are so unhappy? Well firstly is an issue that affects all in society, and that is inequality. If we look at the hard facts we see inequality on the increase- in Britain 12.7 million people live in relative poverty, last year saw the largest annual rise since 1994; the time of a housing market crash. On the Gini index, a scale that measures income inequality (from 0-100), the figure stands at 34.7, when Blair took power in 1997 that was 33; in 1979 it stood at 25. A recent study by the Jospeh Rowntree Foundation shows the gap between rich and poor is the highest in 40 years.

If we look at the levels of crime as an indicator of a 'happy' society we find that during periods of least inequality crime (and alcohol consumption) are at their lowest. Crime fell from an all time high in the Victorian era to a low during the First World War, where it remained steady until around the 1950s when prosperity, and the number of rich, increased.

The education system also has a major role in shaping our youth, it has always been the case that capitalism requires workers to be educated enough to know their 'place' in society and no further. With the current education policy we have a system fixated on targets and grades, one that trains and encourages individuals to assimilate into rat race with the promise of wealth at the end, it is not surprising that many fall short; that is the nature of the system.

We are constantly bombarded with images of fame and riches, we are suffocated with the latest fashions and consumer durables. The media is to shoulder the blame for this, for hammering home the message that wealth and status is the be all and end all, however me must ask who the media serves and who it is controlled by- it is these same regressive moralists in the vein of Cameron. He espouses the virtues of free enterprise and individualism, he wants business to play a greater part in education, yet, when the product of his values emerges in the form of these horrific murders, he pounces on peripheral matters rather than the root causes of inequality, poverty, alienation and racism.

Growing up in poverty severely damages your education. If we use an indicator for poverty in school, the number of children on free school meals, we find that three quarters of these have very low achievement at school. Half of those students on free meals who are doing well at primary school fall behind during secondary school. Somehow I don't think the awful swill served in canteens is toxic enough to cause such figures.

Growing up in an area of widespread unemployment and deprivation is also an important factor, 'choice' policies that concentrate poorer pupils in particular secondary schools are detrimental. The league table system and the focus on five A-C grades also neglects the most disadvantaged, leading schools to concentrate on those just below the A-C level of attainment.

Housing is another factor that can lead to the alienation and disaffection of the youth. The charity Shelter found that more than one million children live in housing which is overcrowded, run-down, damp or dangerous. Many suffer from chronic insecurity as a result of being shuffled from place to place in 'temporary' accommodation. Martin Luther King spoke about the psychological impact of poor housing. I heard about a poetry project involving young people who live in flats, if you are living in squalor amongst cockroaches, rats and damp then you are obviously going to feel worthless. We also have to look at who the victims of this violence are, murder rates have increased in the past 25 years but the richest 20% of society have seen a fall in murder rates. The poorest 10% (by area) have seen a rise of 39%.

I would like to explore the dastardly claims aimed at the 'Black community' in relation to crime, comments by politicians such as Blair are openly racist, but I feel I have said my part already.

To conclude, poverty, alienation and inequality are all major contributors to the upsurge in youth violence. An education system that has no time for children with emotional difficulties or different ways of expressing their abilities outside of the rigid exam system massively adds to the problem. Young people are left in limbo, without any prospects or sense of self-worth, in 2004 around 750,000 or 5.5 million 16-24 year olds were not in education, employment or training. A whopping 85% of young people in prison have mental health problems.

It is always the poor that suffer from crime, but it is always the poor that are blamed for crime. Perhaps we should look at the conditions that shape them rather than knee-jerk solutions and more hard-hitting strategies that are doomed to fail.

JT:

"Thank God for MP Cameron, as adult leaders on both sides of the pond are understanding that pop culture is by and large raw sewage in which teens are drowning."

Of course this is the same MP Cameron who wants to cut red tape in this contry by getting rid of health and safety and maximum working hours with standard pay.

He is just trying desperately to be a Tory version of Tony Blair, who incidently is a pretty hated figure this side of the Atlantic.

My comments about the Christian deity are all easily supported by scripture: refer to the books of Leviticus, Deut., Revelations for only a few examples. I do not see how the terms "genocidal" and "evil" do not apply to an entity that has purportedly slaughtered millions of humans, commanded the rape and conquest of non-Israeli states, permited eternal torture, and supported the institution of slavery. Again, I pose the question, why are people like Thompson so outraged that a child might have access to a video game FOR ADULTS, when children are exposed to insane superstitious beliefs -- which are preached as a literal truth -- YEARS before their underdeveloped minds are able to understand, comprehend, and objectively critique the belief systems?

I would much rather perfer that we leave each other alone but religious biggots will not stop hunting freedom. I think one of the few strategies left open is to objectively critique where their "values" and "morality" come from and illustrate the subjectivity and superstition of their beliefs. Judeo-Christian "morality" serves as the chief modivation for these attacks on media freedom. Considering the fact that such "morality" amounts to little more than bronze-age superstition, I think it is in the best intrest of proponents of gaming rights to attack the head of the beast; instead of swinging wildly at the arms whenever they lundge out in an effort to "save teh children".

@Pandralisk

Ok, deal with the bigots, that much I can agree with, but leave the ones who are decent alone.

@Everyone discussing religion

Can we stay on topic? This site is about debating video games and their role in politics and society, not about religion. Religion is applicable when in certain cases, like the Church of England being money-grubbing scumbags over Resistance: Fall of Man, or in describing how wicked, corrupt men like JBT want to use religion as an excuse to force their ideas on everyone else. I, personally, have no respect for religion, I think it is bunk, has no rational basis, and is the archenemy of reason and scientific and social progress, but I think we need to stay focused. If we want to discuss religion, let's find another site or start a specific forum thread. Otherwise, stay limited and focused in comments.

@JT

"Once you kids grow up, you’ll understand. Until then, pay attention. You’ll learn something. Remember, I was once as ignorant as you. I grew up."

O' rly? Did you now? Yes, someday, those of us who are not already adults (either mentally or considered so by legal standards) WILL grow up and become adults. However, the difference between us and you will be that we will be the one's in power, while those who hold/abuse it now will be in retirement homes.

Look, people are starting to twig that Mr.Cameron is an idiot anyway. Gordon Brown has the next election in the bag at the mo, so do we really need to worry about what the Tories think?

BlackIce is certainly right there, there's basically no chance of the Tories getting the next election, however, when the Tory Party Leader brings up an issue such as Media, the Presiding party has to respond to it in some way. I don't expect the Labour party, when faced with a popularity play, to be any more accepting or less stereotyping of Video Games than the Tories are, this is about votes, not about facts.

@Jack Thompson
"Further, everyone on this planet who has power has a responsibility to exercise it for the common good. Heck, even Spiderman gets that."

Don't forget that Spiderman and Batman were once persecuted as videogames are now. Videogames are the new movies, comic books, and rock&roll.

"Jack Thompson

PS: Hooah!"

Way to insult our troops Jack. Also, the name field signs your comment for you so you sound like a redundant kid. Oh, and by calling us kids, you sound like a pedophile.

@Ivresse

Yes, I understand that profuse swearing may detract from an argument, but sometimes, when I see the same ridiculous junk being thrown out over and over, I just get really pissed off. I'll admit that my previous post was a little excessive, but I usually try to refrain from excessive swearing when I am making an argument. However, swearing is common English, and if used properly, it can enhance an argument by conveying proper emotion and severity, although I will admit that my above post did not use it to that effect. Still, with so much worse in the world, I don't personally feel that the world is going to stop just because people swear too much.

ok um Jack, you said Adults run this world, then how come you can't trust those Adults, the parents, to decide what their children play and not play?

@Mike

Jack's logic has more holes than swiss cheese.

This is the letter I sent to Jack Thompson. I hope he responds.

Dear Jack Thompson,

I hope you realize by stating these words, you have proven that it’s not the ideology that’s important, it’s the financial gain. While it is true that there is corporate responsibility in some cases, it is also true that there are personal responsibilities. It is the personal responsibility of a parent to watch their child, to protect their child, etc. Meaning that if a child buys a violent video game, it should be with a parents approval. It is absurdity to believe that no parent has time to look at the cover of a game to check the ESRB rating of the game to prevent their child from playing M-rated games. Also, I notice you only go after such games as Bioshock and GTA. The problem with this is there are plenty of other games that are even more violent then Bioshock, GTA, and Manhunt, i.e. God of War, Gears of War, Dead Rising, etc. The only link between these games is that they are all published by the parent company Take-Two. Therefore, I believe it is reasonable for myself to believe that you have either a strong grudge against Take-Two, or, because of the recent software success of said company, you wish to extract some sort of financial gain. Also, I notice that when the group known as Penny Arcade has asked for a debate, the first thing you do is to inform other medias. In other words, you immediately begin advertising yourself. Once again, financial gain would be the only reason you would do such act. I, a gamer of 18 years old, believe that you need to get your act together and realize the irony of what you are doing. While you champion your own use of the First Amendment, you strike down others First Amendment Rights. And not just in the game industry. You condemn gamers right to what they think of you, and that is a huge mistake. A gamer is NOT a second class citizen as you seem to state. Anybody can be a gamer, whether they be man or woman, adult or child, tall or short, fat or skinny, rich or poor. Your assumptions that all gamers are “teenagers” shows your view of gamers.
In conclusion I hope you will respond to this e-mail in kind, as I’ve refrained from name calling. I hope you will do the same if and when you return this e-mail.

KenshinSlayer

PS: My online identity does not correlate with my ideals. I do not want to Slay all Kenshins. I hope you can understand this, and not use my online identity as another way to aim a smart remark at me.

A CTRL+F search on this article returns nothing about parents, so gg Hunt and Cameron.

@ KenshinSlayer

Shouldn't have bothered. He's just going to retailate with something along the lines of "oh, you're a gamer, and by extension a fucking idiot, therefore everything you said is invalid."

@ gs68

.... are you sure your not Jack Thompson? Its like he typing through you.

i was at ebgames downgrading psp's this weekend, discussing the upcoming release of manhunt 2. the folks at ebgames have a strict policy of not selling rated m games to minors or they could lose their jobs. when parents come in with kids, they try to inform them of better, more kid-friendly games, typically being told that if the mother doesn't buy it, the father will, or the kid will have a tantrum.

that's what's wrong with kids these days.

and if this guy wants corporate responsibility, i could list a dozen corporations acting less responsible than the videogame industry.
 
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Andrew EisenWhat I find most amazing is the fact that Yiannoppoulos's evidence doesn't in any way support his claim. And I still fail to see the lack of ethics in discussing the ethics surrounding public interest vs. personal privacy.09/19/2014 - 4:13pm
Andrew EisenOh yeah, some outlets sensationalize things (especially with the chosen headline). No argument there. As far as gender issues not being widespread? I'm inclined to disagree but I suppose it depends on what specifically you're talking about.09/19/2014 - 3:43pm
SleakerI think I've been qualitatively informed by those Factual Femenist videos that there isn't reallly a widespread gender issue, and that there are select news outlets that try to sensationalize things.09/19/2014 - 3:37pm
james_fudgeI'm just going to leave this here before someone else does:http://yiannopoulos.net/2014/09/19/gamejournopros-zoe-quinn-email-dump/09/19/2014 - 3:21pm
NeenekoI have met some real jerks and slimeballs in gender activism, but when I hear the idea that there are many 'not nice' people it comes across as code for 'uppity people who do not know their place'.09/19/2014 - 12:10pm
Andrew EisenKrono - Many of the people pushing gender issues aren't nice people? I'm sure not everyone's a sweatheart but so far, everyone I've seen with such a critique had absolutely nothing to back them up.09/19/2014 - 10:46am
InfophileI think there's a qualitative difference between a site and a hashtag though. GP can ban anyone from commenting, so they can have the image they want. But anyone can use any hashtag and try to poison it. Granted, that hasn't happened to the other one yet09/19/2014 - 10:13am
E. Zachary KnightKrono, your comparison to GP does not work. We do not need to get rid of GP, because no one associates GP with trolls and abuse. The same can't be said for gamergate.09/19/2014 - 10:09am
Krono@Michael You don't remember the "other hashtag" because no one actually uses it. We're talking 836,983 uses of #gamergate over it's lifetime, and 8,119 for the "alternative". 47,129 uses on the 18th vs 41. With #notyourshield at 140,133 uses & 5,209 uses09/19/2014 - 9:48am
Kronoresearch it. Changing tags to get away from trolls would be like wiping GamePolitics and restarting under a new name to get away from people calling Jack Thompson a filthy names in the comments section.09/19/2014 - 9:35am
Sleaker@quiknkold - seems like all that page is is a bunch of random developer opinions and rumors that we're supposedto do what with?09/19/2014 - 9:31am
Kronoas an opportunity to push back against them. It's one of the things muddling the issue. @conster A new hashtag would do nothing to improve anything. Trolls will simply follow to the new hashtag, and it will confuse the issue for anyone attempting to09/19/2014 - 9:25am
Krono@Andrew aaah. Yes, I'm sure there's some of that. Part of the problem is many of the people pushing gender issues are not very nice people. Basically the latest incarnation of moralists we've seen in the past couple decades. Naturually some will take this09/19/2014 - 9:23am
quiknkoldhttp://www.nichegamer.net/2014/09/real-gamedevs-sound-off-regarding-the-gamergate-controversy/09/19/2014 - 8:35am
MaskedPixelanteMeanwhile, in news that actually DOES matter, Scotland voted "NO" to Scottish independance.09/19/2014 - 8:20am
ConsterSeriously? "We shouldn't make a new hashtag - it's better to associate ourselves with psychos than to decrease our visibility"?09/19/2014 - 7:54am
Michael ChandraI forget what it is exactly, but there already is another hashtag that some use, exactly to separate themselves from the abusive behaviour. So don't bother lying to me.09/19/2014 - 7:06am
quiknkold2 to 3 or more09/19/2014 - 6:53am
quiknkoldMichael Chandra : I'll say this. The only reason they havent used another hashtag is because it would look like a form of dividing the arguement. Using another Hashtag has come up, and they feel like if they made a new hashtag, it'll split the debate from09/19/2014 - 6:53am
Michael ChandraYou want a debate? Build a wall between you and the poisoned well. Make clear you despise it, despise the behaviour. Then get into the other issues you are troubled with, and don't say a single word again about the poisoned well.09/19/2014 - 3:46am
 

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