Legal Blogs React to Jack Thompson's Gay Porn Court Filing

September 30, 2007 -
Here's a quick survey of what some popular legal blogs are saying about Jack Thompson's inclusion of gay porn with a U.S. District Court filing:

Above the Law: Practice Pointers: Do Not File Gay Porn With Judge Jordan
Best Line: (from comments) Been before Judge Jordan. Not the type of judge you want angry at you. I would expect a contempt order and stiff (no pun intended) sanctions.

Southern District of Florida Blog: How to Make a Federal Judge Really Angry
Best Line: It's almost impossible to get under Judge Jordan's skin, but Jack Thompson has found out a way to do so -- include graphic images of gay porn in his filings. This is no joke...

Overlawyered: Latest Jack Thompson Follies
Best Line: Longtime Overlawyered favorite Jack Thompson... to prove his (wildly off-topic) point filed several graphically pornographic photos with the court...

ABA Journal: Lawyer Angers Judge With Gay Sex Photos
Best Line: Jack Thompson's attempt to make a point about a gay news Web site has backfired badly.

Quiz Law: He'll Be Riding Six White Horses When He...
Best Line: Jack Thompson and Paul Revere: Two peas in a pod. American heroes. One warns that the British are coming, and the other distributes images of gay men c*****g.  

Comments

"You seem to want to discredit Judge Jordan’s order by making the point that a kid would need a credit card to access the federal PACER docket system and that would keep them out. But you made the opposite argument in regard to online sales of M-rated games."

In a word, OWNED. In 3 words, SO SO OWNED!

That's the terrible trouble with lies and misrepresentation, isn't it? You keep piling one on top of the other and eventually there comes a time when you make up some crackpot excuse or falsehood that is in complete contradiction to an earlier statement and you end up looking like a fool. It's something that Mr. Thompson has proven himself very good at.

Kudos, GP. I love the fact that every time he whinges about misreporting, etc. That you have exactly the answers and responses to prove him wrong.

@Jack:

I realise that understanding the world around you can be a difficult thing, but how difficult is it to read this blog post?

"Here’s a quick survey of what some popular legal blogs are saying[...]" followed by links to five other blogs which Dennis did not write. Are these five other sites also misreporting? Are they in on the conspiracy? Are they secretly actually Dennis McCauley too?

Who is doing the misreporting here?

"When I get to Heaven, and I am going there.."
Wow, are you really such an arrogant, pompous prick that you just assume you're already secured a place in Heaven? Disgusting...

Wait, Jack actually said that a credit card system would keep kids out of the docket system? What a hypocritical sleaze.

Hehehehehe, poor fool. He's doomed and he doesn't even realize it.

November is going to be a very interesting month.

A few things I noticed in his Ad Hoc rantings:

"I sent a letter on September 19 to
several law enforcement officials proving that this lawyer was criminally distributing obscenity through his official law firm web site."

Can anyone tell me if the National Gay News website that Norm Kent runs is an "official law firm" web site?

"Many people think that “gay adult porn” is naked men holding hands or kissing. It is not. The best evidence of that is, uh, the evidence."

How can you put such childish language in a letter regarding law?

"The Bar won’t touch this guy. He is officially an “untouchable” because the enemy of The Bar’s enemy is its friend. This is not even debatable. I have the proof. "

Referring to my first question, if indeed Mr Kent's web site is not an official law web site (and I highly doubt it is), why would the bar seek to prosecute him over it in the first place?

"the selective non-prosecution of my SLAPP Bar complainant who is committing criminal acts and which The Bar knows is committing criminal acts."

Reiterating lack of reason for the Bar to prosecute someone for running a website with nothing to do with the Bar or practice of law. Furthermore, I realise that gay porn may not be everyone's cup of tea, but is it actually a criminal act to link to an adult site from a site such as National Gay News?

"The porn lawyer has frantically removed from his site this obscene material. "

And thus removed any reason for Thompson to try and drag Mr. Kent into this silly lawsuit.

"I screwed up, like Flounder in Animal House."

A pretty bizarre reference for a legal document...

"When I went to law school, I dreamed of one day maybe even being a public official."

But when you didn't achieve that you tried in an incredibly ingracious manner to tarnish the reputation of the person who soundly defeated you, Janet Reno.

"tried to follow the path that God game me."

A freudian slip perhaps Jack?

" I have a right to be a fool, but I am a fool for Christ, and He has used
me because I know that my life is nothing but dirty rags. I am no better than the pornographer, but the difference is that I know it."

WTF? He has abused the right to be a fool and his life is "dirty rags" because he has made it that way. This is some of the strangest stuff I have ever seen written in a legal document.

"and about children who are being procured for sex through Internet sites."

Where did this come out of?

I suppose I shouldn't be too shocked, having seen some of the crazy religious talk that has filled some of his previous press releases/attempts at legal documents. I would hope that all of the people reading this, regardless of their religious beliefs see it for what it is: An attempt to shift blame by a desperate man at the bottom of a deep hole he has dug for himself through his own inexcusable behaviour.

If I were to insult people as he has, to flagrantly break so many rules of his profession, to ignore court mandates, and use the law as a club to try and push my morals onto others, I would like to think I could be man enough to own up to what I did. Still, that would involve being a man. As Jack himself has explained, he is merely a "fool for Christ". He sees himself as a passive tool being used by his God. How could you expect such a person to take responsibility for their actions? The people he tries to defend make me sick with their "video games made me do it" excuse. The only difference between him and they is that his excuse for his unlawful behaviour is "Christ made me do it."

Okay everyone try their best to alert jack to this hypocracy, hes been a hypocrite from the start but this is both a bold and quick example of it, if in the case that hes a deluded moron maybe if we point this out loud enough he'll realise how much of a prat he is (doubtful). On the other more likely hand, he knows hes a hypocrite and is just an asshole because thats who he is.

Jack is an r-tard.

Jack, having read that letter, I can tell you it's just like everything else you do. Self-masturbatory retardation. A strange way to boost your own self confidence.

Here's the thing, you suck as a lawyer. Your current record proves me correct. In 31 years, you may have won a few cases, but in the last 10, you've won what? One or two?

Now YOU, a piss-poor example of a lawyer, are trying to tell the BAR that the courts are violating your constituional rights? Samuel Powers Jr. ought be ashamed of what you are.

When you get before St. Peter, I'm sure he'll laugh at you for taking our Lord's name in vain so often, and will drop you straight into the pits of hell.

"Many people think that “gay adult porn” is naked men holding hands or kissing."

dot.

dot.

mother-fucking DOT.

“Many people think that “gay adult porn” is naked men holding hands or kissing.”

You know, this is starting to explain why he was so against Bully's potential gay kiss scene. I wonder if Jack knew that it wasn't naked men holding hands before he found the, uh, evidence.

'What has happened since I did what I did to prove The Bar’s duplicity and its outrageous protection of this assault upon the public square by a porn lawyer? The porn lawyer has frantically removed from his site this obscene material. Is that an admission of something? You bet it is.'

Uh... correct me if I'm wrong, but the images were NEVER ACTUALLY ON THE SITE YOU'RE BITCHING ABOUT. They were on sites that were *linked* to, and you willfully and deliberately travelled to those other sites, went through whatever verification process they may or may not have had, copied the images to your hard drive, and filed them.

'I inserted a huge warning on the second page of the letter that what followed were three sexually graphic images that this lawyer was disseminating to people of all ages by means of his law firm web site, which linked on its home page to his porn portal site. Anyone who turned the page had been warned with one-inch-high letters what was on the next page.'

Now, of course I never saw the site in question, or how the links were set up, or how the site the links went to was set up, so I don't know. But from what I heard they *were* marked as 'Adult'.

So, it's okay if *you* warn people there's porn afoot, but if anyone else tries it that's not good enough? It'd be nice if you toned down the whole double-standard thing, Jack...

I think the point is that people log onto Video Game sites and buy a game with their credit card with the specific purpose of playing a pre-rated Video Game, they are aware of the content they encounter before they pay. You are even asked to confirm your age. With PACER, it's an administration fee, nothing more, there's no age confirmation, no rating, it's simply payment to keep the servers running and make a bit of cash.

Students use PACER because of its useful legal content, can you imagine one studying up on current disciplinary systems, browsing this case and loading up an attached picture in the middle of class? No offence to the Americans here, but I've seen how paranoid your education system can be about Porn, they'd probably expel the poor student and not bother to listen to any defence.

@Austin Lewis

Oh, I think we already knew Jack knows precisely zero about the Constitution. If he did, he wouldn't have kept trying to make all those unconstitutional laws.

@ Austin Lewis

Jesus will be laughing at Jack for trying to get into Heaven.

And in the last ten years, he's won ZERO cases.

@ Shoehorn O'Plenty

The people he tries to defend make me sick with their “video games made me do it” excuse. The only difference between him and they is that his excuse for his unlawful behaviour is “Christ made me do it.”

And that really makes them no different at all.

And not only that, by piling on lie after lie, Thompson brought all his problems on himself.

@ Dennis

After hearing people's response to the letter, this is the only fitting response to Jack Thompson:

“What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

@ Jack Thompson

Practice what you preach: Grow up and get a life. And get a new cause, since yours has always been lost.

"Shut the fuck up, you're out of your element."- Walter, The Big Lebowski

Thompson's career is over no doubt ;) .

lol @ JT

@Jack Thompson

Get the fuck out of my state..

You know... I think I'm gonna miss Jack when he finally gets the axe. If it were anyone else, who knows? Gaming legislation might already be in place by now.

So Jack, I salute you and your hard work alienating so many people and being an obstacle to the very change you've been trying to bring about. When everyone else around the country is burning you in effigy, I'll have a little shrine prepared for you instead.

@GP. Yup. It's the usual bullshit letter alright. References to his work against the FCC, etc. He's even included a little picture of his book in it. Ain't it cute.

If Howard Stern said that black people smell like watermelons, then you must acquit!

@ JT

Just because YOU wrote a letter in response does not make your problems go away. That would be like a convicted rapist writing a letter about how he didn't technically commit rape.


@ Dennis

I'm sure you're sick of hearing this now- but could you at least make a seperate JT section of the site and leave the main page for REAL topics where ADULTS are having MEANINGFUL discourse on said topics? JT topics are mostly about nothing or him defending himself.

OMG from the JT filing:

Being a “culture warrior” is messy business. Somebody has to do it. When I get to
Heaven, and I am going there, I am going to ask God why it had to be me.



This guy is fucking insane. "Why me GOD!!!!!!!"

LOLOLOL all the way to the fucking bank. That made my day. Thank you for getting GP to post the link to that shit.

Jack,

When will you get it through your thick skull? You're NOT being prosecuted by the Florida Bar for your beliefs. You are being prosecuted by the Florida Bar because you act like an outrageous asshat every time you file a court document by insulting and defaming fellow lawyers, judges, and other parties involved in the case.

LOL...plugging your book in a court filing! What a tool!

@GP

Hey, question. He starting to piss you off Dennis? Not that I could blame you, the guy could tick off Mother Theresa; but I wonder seriously why this story was worth publishing? Anybody with two working brain cells can figure out it's not usually a good idea to send gay porn, much less put it in court docs; so is it any real surprise that most of the legal community does not share his stance? I should hope not. Just in recent memory - the guy subpeona'ed the president for crying out loud - if congress can't get him to testify I can't imagine why Jack-o would think he could.

My point is, why is this newsworthy? It doesn't involve games in any way - and represents no real substantial bearing on his disciplinary hearings either for or against. Also, frankly, I've read a number of Dennis/JT rebutts, and I never for a moment thought that any of them weren't justified. BUT - the rebutts lately have a bit more spit&fire to them. more charged. Kinda starting to wonder if he's got you riled up a bit?

Who cares what he says now? He showed gay porn to a judge! He's become a punchline like Peewee Herman and Michael Jackson!

@ Hollywoodbob

This is basically any person with an ideology they believe to be the ultimate.

What I don't get is just how Jack thinks that possible wrong doing on Mr. Kent's part means that he is innocent for his own wrong doings. Doesn't Jack think its possible that perhaps they could BOTH get in trouble? The world is big enough for two lawyers to act unprofessionally at the same time.

@Tristram:
And in my experience people like that are void of any ability to think in a rational manner.

Is it normal for lawyers to use the "I'm going to Heaven" defense?

@ zerodash

No, it's not.

Does anyone think Jack Thompson has lost his sanity?

I wonder if JT has ever read the story of the man who thought he did everything right and ended up in spit-polishing the devil's boots.. Kinda relevant don'cha tink?

OK, so I just finished reading the 11 page letter. In case you don't have enough time to go through it all, here is a summary. I'll try to be as nice as possible, even though it's getting harder and harder:

1). I’m really great and here is a list of reasons why.
2). Black people love me for getting Howard Stern off the air.
3). I wrote a book! Here’s a picture of it!
4). Everybody’s out to get me because I’m a Christian.
5). My opponent had links to gay porn (‘porn portal’) on his website and I was totally right to attach pictures of said gay porn to a court filing. But the judge is threatening ME.
6). My opponent should be the one going to jail, not me, but because the Bar is conspiring against me this is not the case.
7). The court asked me to show them this gay porn, but when I did they changed their minds. I am like Paul Revere, and I “screwed up” like Flounder from Animal House because I trusted the judge.
8). Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. (The last three pages were so boring that I didn't read through them. It's typical Thompson rhetoric.)

This particular quote struck me as odd:

“The chances that children are paying for and logging onto the PACER system in order to surf federal court files, with no search engine to do so, looking for gay adult sex obscenity are between slim and none and Slim just left town.”

Did he… did he just paraphrase Ash from Army of Darkness?

@Quad9damage

hes used that one before too.

John Bruce Thompson has *zero* effectiveness trying to be a lawyer...with a solid track record to prove it.

@ Hollywood Bob

I understand what you're saying, and you completely have the right to believe what you want. However, as a Christian and a gamer, I'm finding it harder and harder to come into these board discussions. I don't mind "bad language" (anyone who knows me knows that I can curse like a sailor when I'm in the right mood) or even the attacks on Jack (he fully deserves them at this point).

What I'm really sick of is coming onto this site and having someone bashing my beliefs and my God under the heading that "This was my experience with Christians." It is hard enough living in this world, always having to justify and explain something that is extremely personal to complete strangers. I don't want to have to do it here.

Please stop trying to justify attacks on a person's beliefs with ridiculous stereotypes. Your disclaimer that "you-respect-what-I-believe-even-though-you-don't-respect-what-I-believe" is ridiculous. I'm capable of rational thought, and I'm still trying to figure out what that means. Does it mean that you love Christians but hate what they believe? Do you love some Christians but hate others? Do you even know what you're trying to say, or are you just hoping this disclaimer will make you look like less of a bigot?

Hollywood Bob isn't the only one doing it, so here's a general message to everyone on the messageboards. Lay off the bashing for a couple days, alright?

I'm happy to see that this thread doesn't already have 250 posts in it. Maybe people are finally starting to realize that we should just ignore this man (speaking for myself as well).

@ Paul

Only because everything that's been said about him has already been said.

@ HollywoodBob

I understand your anger. I used to feel that way too. Then I realized it was making me no better than they, and that there are good Christians out there. They came to this board, and I read what they posted, and it made me rethink my attitudes. And I'm glad they did that so I could see.

One of my best friends is also a Christian. We've known each other for seven years. And while she and I may not share the same set of values, and while we may disagree from time to time, we agree to disagree and we love each other very much.

You're right in that once Jack is disbarred it won't stop him from filing as a private citizen. But just because he will doesn't mean they'll listen to him and he'll no longer have the authority of law behind him. As Ryan posted on an earlier thread, he's regarded as both an embarassment and a laughingstock by the legal community. Ryan is a member of the Florida Bar. And if that is what the Bar truly thinks of him, then his demise is all but assured and they'll be even less inclined to act on any motions he would file than they did when he was still a lawyer.

Likewise, he won't appear on television anymore. Why? Because as a lawyer he could claim to be some sort of authority and he won't be able to do that anymore. Even in his appearances after the V-Tech shooting, news reporters like Chris Matthews were regading him with a healthy amount of skepticism. More recently he was considered to appear on Dr. Phil and was later turned-down. It's not been stated why officially, but reading between the lines suggests that once the producers did their homework on him, they decided against putting him on. Being stripped of his lawyer title will fully discredit him.

Oh sure, he can yammer away all he likes, but once he's been disbarred he'll be just another crazy old religious nutcase. He'll be declawed and defanged and will no longer be able to use the law like a blunt instrument.

@Rachel:

I don't hate anyone. I love my friends and family, and everyone else is basically beyond all but the most basic respect that all people deserve. I am certainly no bigot.

I have a deep respect for anyone who has deeply held beliefs, especially ones that fly in the face of sanity, and promote bigotry and hatred, but I don't have any respect for those beliefs. It's similar to the Christian homophobic ideal of "Love the sinner, Hate the sin." I respect people, not dogmatic tripe from 2000+ years ago. Clear on that?

I think it's funny that on the internet it's the Christians that feel they're they ones that are constantly on the defense, when in the offline world it's those of us that are Atheists that are the ones persecuted. You call them ridiculous stereotypes, I call them accurate depictions of 90% of the zealots I've dealt with. The problem isn't with those of us that disagree with religious dogma, but those of you that can't take having your beliefs disagreed with.

"It is hard enough living in this world, always having to justify and explain something that is extremely personal to complete strangers. I don’t want to have to do it here."

Try being an Atheist or a Muslim. Christian beliefs for the most part aren't personal, they may be to you, but not to most. And those that don't find them to be privately held beliefs like to use them as a shield for every nasty action they commit, and as a spear to try and force everyone else to capitulate to their ideals.

The internet gives people a voice, one that they may not normally have elsewhere. I would suggest to you several options to your dislike of people criticisms of Christians:
1) Grow thicker skin. Just because you belong to a group being attacked doesn't mean you have to be a victim.
2) Ignore the post as ravings of a loon. I could be completely mental for all you know.
3) Change the stereotype. Show us that you're not the kind of person we're referring to, and that those bad experiences we've had aren't the norm.

And above all else. Unless you're aer being expressly referred to, assume that people aren't talking about you. You'll be a lot happier. Otherwise you'll be constantly upset at people like me, and there's a lot of use online.

wow...thats all i can say about this whole situation

@Black Manta:

There's no anger. Did my post seem that way? Many of my friends are or were Christian, and several of my family are devout Christians. They all understand that while I don't honor their beliefs doesn't mean that I hold any animosity to them as people.

I was simply using that statement as an analogy for Thompson. An irrational defense of an opinion, easily contradicted.

“Many people think that “gay adult porn” is naked men holding hands or kissing. It is not. The best evidence of that is, uh, the evidence.”

Of all of Jack's lines, this is one of THE most hypocritical he has ever spoken. Ummm, what did he call the boy on boy kissing in Bully again. Oh yeah,. he called it gay sex, trying to make the game look like it was porn.

Also, to Jack.

Over the course of your crusade, tell me, you have destroyed so much, what is it you could have possibly created, can you name even one thing?

I thought not.

[kudos to who gets that reference]

@kurisu7885

HL2 :)

@New Here

For being the first to get that, here's a cookie.

And now that I think on it, JT and Dr Breen have at least this in common. They both hold it in their head that what they are doing is so right and will be so beneficial that they do not care what gets destroyed.

@Rachel

I agree completely. I'm a Chirstian gamer myself and I've also noticed that there tends to be more than a few posts attacking Christians whenever a story like this comes out.

It does get hard to ignore it when it happens multiple times, in multiple posts. I like this site. I like the news here and I like keeping up with the things that get talked about here, I'm just tired of seeing my faith under attack by people who claim to be open minded but are, in reality, some of the biggest snobs arounds.

As to the story itself, Mr. Thompson doesn't really have a leg to stand on. He knew what he was doing had the potential to get him in trouble and he did it anyway. He wanted the drama this would bring, plain and simple.

@bayushisan

I'm with you on this Bayu. I have met some well to do christians in good standing who have a level head on their shoulders.

Do not attack the belief system itself, attack those who exploit that belief system to make themselves feel better about their dishonorable and unethical actions.

Well, Jack, i have to admire your whole attitude towards this whole thing. You just can't accept defeat, can you? No, instead, you twist the truth and add your own lies to make it seem as if you somehow won. I guess, in your mind, we are all insane bags of shit who don't know what the hell we're talking about, and you're the knight in shining armor who's going to save the public from these TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE KILLER M RATED GAMES THAT MAKE OUR CHILDREN KILL PEOPLE AND DO TERRIBLE THINGS!!!! WE MUST STOP THEM MUHAHAHAHAHAAH!

Please. There is no "misinterpretation" going on here. Anyone who sees putting up gay porn on a court docket for everyone in the world to look at, including children, as a good thing is clearly not right in the head. I see the point you were trying to make, Jack, but you chose the COMPLETELY wrong way to go about making it. How you still have a license to practice law is beyond me. And I can't WAIT too see the day you lose it.

Save me Penny Arcade! (Basically, i'm asking for something funny on penny arcade. Preferably to do with Jack Thompson)

"1) Grow thicker skin. Just because you belong to a group being attacked doesn’t mean you have to be a victim.
2) Ignore the post as ravings of a loon. I could be completely mental for all you know.
3) Change the stereotype. Show us that you’re not the kind of person we’re referring to, and that those bad experiences we’ve had aren’t the"


4) Politely refer the person pushing the stereotype to the comments rules that come with posting in said site.
 
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