October 30, 2007
As the Manhunt 2 launch draws near, the hurly-burly over the controversial game shifts to San Francisco where watchdog group Common Sense Media will hold a 10AM press conference at City Hall.On Friday GamePolitics reported that the organization was urging parents to boycott Manhunt 2. The game is scheduled to arrive in stores tomorrow.
There was a bit of an oops in CSM's Manhunt 2 bashing, however, as GP's Friday coverage pointed out. At least one gory scene detailed by the group - that of a police officer being decapitated by a shovel - apparently came from an early build of Manhunt 2 which was leaked online by an SCEE employee in September. A Rockstar press representative told GP the scene did not appear in the M-rated retail version of the game.
In the wake of Rockstar's denial, Common Sense Media issued a revised press release yesterday. The Associated Press picked up the story, which is now getting wide play in the mainstream media. CSM CEO Jim Steyer told the AP:
In my opinion, it's the most senselessly violent and offensive thing I've ever watched. It's disgusting. It's so violent, it struck me personally as pornographic violence.
The group acknowledged that the decapitated police officer image it released on Friday was from the leaked early version of the game:
Common Sense Media was able to download footage of an apparently unedited version of the game that is now available to download on the Internet. It is unclear which of the numerous gruesome scenes from the online version have been edited from [the retail version]...
CSM also wanted to know what changes were made by Rockstar that led to an M-rating from the ESRB:
Common Sense believes that parents, educators, and other consumers would benefit from knowing what specific parts of the game were edited or removed to get the rating reduced, but information about the re-rating process has been very limited.
Meanwhile, the ESRB told the Associated Press:
[The M-rating] is a very clear and firm warning to parents that the game is in no way intended for children.
Publisher Take Two Interactive reiterated its denial that the police decapitation scene was in the retail version of Manhunt 2:
A spokesman... said the unrated version used a color encoding system common to Western Europe and could be played in the United States only using a Sony PlayStation 2 console modified without company permission.
Take Two media representative Ed Nebb told the AP:
The claim that an unreleased version of Manhunt is readily available on the Internet, and that children can easily download and play the unrated game, has not been proven.
At today's press conference in San Francisco, CSM will be showing video clips from the leaked version. From the CSM press release:
Common Sense downloaded a version of the game that is available online, and will be showing illustrative clips of that version to the press a day before the official title is scheduled to hit stores on Wednesday.
GP asked CSM if the location of the press conference at City Hall indicated that the San Francisco government was somehow getting involved, but a CSM representative nixed the idea. However, another source told GamePolitics that SF Mayor Gavin Newsome's press secretary is a former Common Sense Media employee.
California State Senator Leland Yee's district encompasses San Francisco as well, but a spokesman told GP that, as of last night, Yee was not involved. Yee, of course, is the architect of California's 205 video game law, currently under review by the U.S. Circuit Court. Yee has previously weighed in against Manhunt 2.




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Re: Common Sense Media CEO Trashes Manhunt 2; City Hall Press
Common sense media my filthy @ss hole. more like
Common sense losers!!
It should be. And in their press release, they admitted to criminal behavior. I'd say the police should be on hand to make immediate arrests. Let's treat them like the organized crime organization they openly admit to being. Damn pirates!
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
They are just like every other group of manics looking to pin the blame on something.
"Common Sense Media was able to download footage of an apparently unedited version of the game that is now available to download on the Internet. It is unclear which of the numerous gruesome scenes from the online version have been edited from [the retail version]…"
Wow, they just openly admitted to breaking the law...
“it struck me personally as pornographic violence.”
I was under the impression that Dr. Lamb was not a Necrophiliac.
“Common Sense believes that parents, educators, and other consumers would benefit from knowing what specific parts of the game were edited or removed"
Possibly, but R* is under no obligation to disclose those details. You want to find out what the game is like? Go play it.
“[The M-rating] is a very clear and firm warning to parents that the game is in no way intended for children.”
That would have done on it’s own.
“showing video clips from the leaked version”
As in the version that isn’t going to be sold in the US tomorrow? Yeah, that’s real proof..
I love the smell of burning Zelnick in the morning! Hooah!
Jack Thompson
That's not "freely available", that's me looking at the prospect of getting away with illegally obtained material.
I've reported CSM's breach of copyright laws in a couple of places now. The Libel part of the claim will have to come from Rockstar, but the ESA seriously needs to deal with this properly, to not do so would, as you say, create a bad precedent.
I meant that if your report to law enforcement about the CSM was written, can you provides us a copy of what you said in the report by a link or can you post it here?
I'm... I'm confused why a press conference needs to be held to explain that 0_o . (especially in reference to just ONE "M" rated game.)
The mind... it boggles.
And quit misusing the word "boycott" already CSM.
Yes, they're holding a press conference to notify the public that the game is mature. Kinda makes you wonder what the rest of their schedule looks like...
Wednesday (31st)-Sky is Blue Press Conference 3:00 PM
Thursday (1st)-Black People Are Black and White People Are White Press Conference 2:30 PM
Thursday (1st)-Water Is Good For You 2:45 PM
Friday (2nd)-Special Presentation at the Glendale Boys and Girls Club Featuring Captain Obvious and Sidekick Common Sense
Then of course, as has been mentioned many times over, where is the complaining about movies and how they re-rate movies and what was cut. Of course that doesn't matter because the unrated directors cut will just be released on DVD.
What's so violent about hunting deer? ;)
E. Zachary Knight
Divine Knight Gaming
Random Tower: Game News and Commentary
they are using stuff from the illicit copy!
LOL
(I'm not being sarcastic toward you Distaria, I'm just trying to make a point...)
"Common sense" my ass.
Apparrently, Common Sense Media is under the impression that "Common Sense" is so UN-common, that people must be told exactly what to think.
On the plus side for R*, the free press just keeps rolling in...
"A spokesman… said the unrated version used a color encoding system common to Western Europe and could be played in the United States only using a Sony PlayStation 2 console modified without company permission."
Honestly, does this strike anyone else as the stupidest comment to come from a TT representative considering the scandal over Hot Coffee? So, you can still access the removed content with a minute amount of effort?
"The claim that an unreleased version of Manhunt is readily available on the Internet, and that children can easily download and play the unrated game, has not been proven."
O_o Are you kidding me?!?!?! I'm...I'm...speechless. I am Utterly and totally dumbfounded right now.
I find it funny that CSM admitted to ILLEGALLY downloading an ILLEGAL copy of a game and then ILLEGALLY saying the content is in the finished game.
It doesn't make good sense for TT to sue CSM (bad publicity), but boy do they have grounds...
Isn’t downloading the game before the actual release (and then releasing information from it) very illegal?
Technically, if TT wanted to, they could slap around CSM for violating all sorts of DMCA stuff. But it would only give them more press time. And make TT look like they are trying to silence "the truth"... So yeah, illegal, but a minor issue.
Irony on aisle five; repeat, irony on aisle five please.
What is so "common sense" about exhibiting a leaked version of a game? I mean, why don't you show footage from the actual game?!
Memo to Jim Steyer:
Pornography applies to sex. There is no such thing as pornographic violence.
@dan187
Yes. The downloader can face hefty fines and jail time if convicted
I know if someone came up to me talking about how violent a game is, well before it's release, showed images the game company said are not in the release version, then said person loses in court for having an illegal version of the game, I'd not believe much of what they say after that.
Why should they not? TT already looks like a bad guy in the eyes of the Soccer mom. Gamers would only support them in the task.
If they don't go after CSM for copyright violation, what message does that send to other nanny groups? That it is okay to circumvent the law when you are "protecting the children"?
E. Zachary Knight
Divine Knight Gaming
Random Tower: Game News and Commentary
Remember, people are idiots.
obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.
Yes, another definition involves sexual material, but the adjective pornographic is not exclusive to XXX movies/books/sites
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Papa Midnight
Why do I think this? Well, the CSM is a watchdog group, protecting the family and all that. Rockstar and Take Two are already the whipping boys of the whole "crusade against violence" that's going on. If either one of them decided to sue CSM under the DMCA, the media is going to react with the standard "Rockstar hates family values!" that they always go after.
I don't know how this whole "shield the childrens" craze started, but it should just die off. Maybe once people realize that children who get participation medals, or get bumped up to the next grade level even if they don't do good enough to pass really AREN'T that much better off, they'll shut up about the children.
That's just my opinion
The sexual content of GTA: San Andreas was accessible on PCs via a mod, and on consoles via Action Replay codes.
Now, the violent action of decapitating a guard/officer Mr. Thompson and the CSM are using as ammunition has been confirmed to be in the game accessible via a modded PS2.
It makes you wonder what else you can access in the game? Pliers scene anyone?
What about their denial of an unrated version of the game being available for download? The CSM and many gamers say they have their copy, so how is this claim unproven?
Even so, I do agree that downloading and demonstrating the unrated copy of the game is morally wrong and lays the groundwork for possible legal action.
Still, the comments by TT are a major foot-in-the-mouth moment...I'm talking beyond the calf muscles here people!
I think you may have read the TT comments the wrong way.
The color encoding thing was a round-about, long winded way of saying the leaked version is a PAL version, which won't play on US systems without modding the console. They're not saying there is content there on the disc still, just that leaked version can't be played without a mod chip. I attribute the long winded, round-about way of saying to them trying to find a new way of saying to parents "Your kids can't download this and play it without modding their system.", as no one seemed to grasp that the last time around.
The other comment I think was made in the same vain. Note the qualifier of "easily". CSM is trying to make it seem like any 10 year-old can download the leaked version and play it without a problem, when in fact they would have to have a modded console in the first place to even attempt to play it. TT is just trying to combat that with a new wording of the same message since parents and the watchdog groups apparently still don't understand the whole of concept of mod chips.
"In my opinion, it’s the most senselessly violent and offensive thing I’ve ever watched. It’s disgusting. It’s so violent, it struck me personally as pornographic violence."
Can anyone spot the 2 very important words in his statement? That's corect, "opinion" and "personally". In MY opinion, reality tv is of no value to society, contributes to the deadening of intellect and should be banned. Personally, I find dance music to be appalling and would argue that it not be played in any public place. There's the thing though, opinions are like backsides, everyone has one. Also, when you take things personally, you cannot use that as a reason to ban it. One man's treasure is another man's trash.
" A spokesman… said the unrated version used a color encoding system common to Western Europe and could be played in the United States only using a Sony PlayStation 2 console modified without company permission."
The only way a kid will see this version is if they have unrestricted access to the internet and to a modded PS2. I've never met anyone under 25 with a modded console of any kind, and allowing children unrestricted internet access is asking for trouble.
"Common Sense downloaded a version of the game that is available online, and will be showing illustrative clips of that version to the press a day before the official title is scheduled to hit stores on Wednesday."
So they are admitting that they are showing clips that may not reflect actual game content, just like their cop/shovel picture. I hope they make more mistakes like that and TT take them to task over it. It is one thing to show people your game and tell them that it is violent. It is another thing altogether to show images and video that are not in the game and misrepresent the game to the press.
Can you provide a link to a source over the decap scene being unlockable on PS2? That is potentially huge news- and quite possibly the stupidest thing R* could do since Hot Coffee.
NEW Memo to CSM (talk about the pot and the kettle):
Why the fuck would you ILLEGALLY download a game (and admit to it in the press), ILLEGALLY possess it, and display the ILLEGAL copy to those attending your press conference knowingly? And to defame the game, the industry, the ESRB, and Rockstar by showing the ILLEGAL version? I hope and pray all of you at "CS"M have damn good lawyers, because illegally downloading, illegally possessing, and illegally displaying material is criminal under state and federal law. It is also against the law to use illegally obtained material to defame the ESRB, the ESA, and T2. Doing that is not only illegal, but dispicable. All of you at CSM are worse than ANY violent video game ever and far worse than those "evil" game developers that you, the PTC, all other watchdog groups, and Jack Thompson claim they are. All of you ought to be in jail for this sorry and criminal act.
Clean up on ailse COMMON SENSE!
@GP (NOT being a critic, I'm just commentating)
I've never read an article that left me as dumbfounded as this. I can't understand, for the life of me, why the CSM would stoop to such an idiotic and criminal low.
Thanks for the correction.
In defense of part of TT statements, the version the CSM is using is the unrated un edited version released in Sept. The one released in stores Tonight, will not have all the scenes the CSM is showing.
As for their denial of the game being available for download, that is pretty dumb of them. It has been proven and they themselves have admitted as much. AP may be running off of an old email or a clueless exec.
E. Zachary Knight
Divine Knight Gaming
Random Tower: Game News and Commentary