Toledo TV News Has Manhunt 2 Report

October 31, 2007
WTOL-11 covers the Manhunt 2 launch at a local GameStop.

New angle: Reporter Tim Miller holds up a poster, of all things, and asks parents outside the store for their reaction. To a poster...

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"The reporter: You think an adult should even be allowed to play it?"

And the best part:

Hey look, it's sitting on the shelf next to Bratz and Super Mario...

I think that news report wasn't so bad. I think the poster think shows a very powerful message that most parents will only see the poster or the image and will judge for themselves, which is okay i guess (they should have to play the game to see if thats good for thier kids or not). I mean some M-rated games are okay for kids like Resident Evil because its fantasy horror with a good story. Anyway, I know if I had a kid, i wouldnt let my kid buy some game if the dude on the cover is holding a syringe as a weapon. And putting it next to Mario Party is rather unfortunate too..

@FlyinM_X

I wonder if that logic would also apply to DVDs, CDs, books etc as well? Or are we all going to have put up with reading/watching/listening to curious George until Junior hits 17?

“No adults shouldn’t play something in their house that they tell their kids they can’t play too”

So as an adult I lose all my rights to play the games I want to play or to watch the movies I want to see, in the time my kids would be asleep? That woman is delusional.

@JT

The R logo on the box that looks almost like an RP logo, is the logo of Rockstar. So you may want to get your eyes checked Jack. Now I understand why you see the things you see, you have geezer vision.

the manhunt 2 poster is no different then a movie poster ex. terminator 2

Holy crap, it's just one video game, can we stop freaking out over it? Nobody complained about Resident Evil DS or Dementum: the Ward.

Wow, that a new level of stupidy. I really don't know what to say about it.

the only reason people are freaking out about it is because it is from rockstar. plus the media loves finding bad things about video games because they are competition. just like the movie industry tried to bring down TV by saying it made you zombies. or the theater industry trying to bring down the movie industry because of the same thing. eventually something else will come along and we will see the VG industry bashing that. I have no idea what it could possibly be, but one can only dream... holodeck! woo!

I love that. He is getting people to "judge a book by its cover" What better way to give false impressions.

This almost isn't a bad thing, y'know. "The poster makes this game look horrifying and disgusting - I refuse to play it or let my children play it" is an entirely valid viewpoint. "The poster makes this game look horrifying and disgusting - this game should be banned and made illegal" is not.

It's local media outlets trying to capitalize on a national (AP reported) story. It's called lazy reporting, they grab something like this and try to put a local spin on it to make it look like they're actually doing something original when they're not. Plus they have to sensationalize the issue, no one would watch a report on Super Mario Galaxies.

That was horrible. They made no attempt to mention parental controls and only a fleeting mentioned the rating. Gotta love how the reporter takes a moment to read the content descriptors and point out where its located on the shelf. "OH MY GOD! He's gonna kill Mario! Then he’ll light up a joint and bang a prostitute!”

Well, at our local Books a Million, you can get open access to the porn at once corner (with only the plastic covers over them which would be pretty easy to just move), and they sit right next to the gaming and automotive books. Hmmm...nobody EVER says anything about it, so why is it a problem that an adult orientated game sits in the section with everything else?

Hey, let's talk about the Sex Club in the game.

Remarkably, here below is what appears presently at bestbuy.com when you go on-line to purchase Manhunt 2. Notice a) the misstatement that the game is not rated. That is a lie. b) There is no age verification whatsoever. A kid is asked how old he is. Duh. See about 500 Internet articles on how and why this is not age verification. Dennis, adjust your meds.


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You know, the first Hitman game started in a psych ward too, and the point of the game was to kill people. Professionally. Without remorse. For a paycheck.

Nowhere near this much breast beating. The activist industry has really built up some great hype turbines over the years.

Let the station hear your complaints.Here's some contact info.

Reporter Tim Miller's email adress is timothymiller@wtol.com

You can also call WTOL-TV at 419-248-1111

You can fax WTOL-TV at 419-244-7104

Or you can send them a letter at 730 North Summit Street Toledo, OH 43604

"And putting it next to Mario Party is rather unfortunate too.. "

Well since most video game stores are organized alphabetically I can only guess that MARio would come near MANhunt. Now for the bratz, that was probably misplaced (intentionally?) next to manhunt. And in any case it doesnt really matter where it appears on the shelf. All those cases are empty, the games are kept locked away behind the counter, especially newly released games.

Wow, did they even mention that it's rated M for MATURE????

Seriously. It's like people getting mad about movies like SAW and HOSTEL. True, I don't want to see those movies, but other people do, but then again, they're supposed to be 17, right?

If you want to get mad at someone, blame the people enforcing the ratings...

Reporter Tim Miller holds up a poster, of all things, and asks parents outside the store for their reaction. To a poster…

I wonder if he was seeking the soundbyte of the one parent who looks at the poster and thinks it's ok to buy for their 10 year old.
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I'll ask a question to the parents of the world. Would you let your children watch Hostel?

Lets look at this:

Manhunt 2, 'the most evil game ever' is M-17, with Blood and Gore, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Intense Violence, and Use of Drugs.

Hostel, a film with a similar theme of non-sensical violence, is R, but also features Blood and Gore, Strong Language, Intense Violence, Strong Sexual Content and Use of Drugs.

Which one is unnoticed by the media? And the bleeding 'we must protect the children' hearts? They're rated mature for a reason!

Video games aren't for 'kids' any more!

Well, I'm gonna say, having seen Hostel and played Manhunt, Hostel is the worse of the two evils.

And no, being able to control the violence doesn't make it worse; that's retarded JT bullshit.

Damn, talk about asking people to judge a book by its cover. I thought we were taught in Kindergarten not to do that.

Manhunt 2 is for ADULTS
From all the politicians point of views video games are for KIDS
Therefore, they think Manhunt 2 was made for kids because it's a video game.

Quite sad actually.

Retard can't even post links correctly (posting old carts with expired session ID). The BB site has the "M" rating all over the place.

Jack Thompson says: "A kid is asked how old he is. Duh. See about 500 Internet articles on how and why this is not age verification."

Jack, you must be an idiot. How can a kid get a credit card to order stuff on the internet? But for argument sake, let's say 0.0001% of kids actually manage to get a credit card, maybe stealing one from their parents or something, do you think a kid is going to take that opportunity to buy a game like Manhunt or any other video game for that matter, or is he going to use the credit card to access porn or something more interesting to a teenager (like buying ringtones and itunes) and not easily traceable (someone has to accept physical delivery of the product a kid orders from Best Buy right?). What is wrong with you, seriously, are you not capable of logical thinking?

The issue is not whether a kid can order something online such as a videogame, because there are much more harmful stuff that can be ordered online, including weapons and drugs. The issue is about parental supervision and involvement. The game is not intended for kids. Tobacco and Alcohol are not intended for kids, yet many kids found means to smoke or drink illegally, that was way before the internet even existed. We try to discourage kids from engaging in sexual activity until they reach an appropriate age, yet some underage kids have had sex whether we liked it or not, long before the internet allowed them to order the latest sex manual. When kids commit acts of violence, and I'm talking shooting others and such, they don't order the guns on the internet, they pick them up from the cases in their living room kept by their parents. Stop being an idiot for once. Imagine a world where no kid can order mature games off the internet, would that solve your problem with access? No, you know why? Because 99.98% of the mature games kids have access to, they did so through their own parents or siblings or at a friend's house and such. That's your problem there, it's pointless to go after Best Buy, Rockstar, or Howard Stern. If kids are actually being harmed by these games, and no such scientific evidence exist, then you should find the means to educate and inform the kids about these effects. The reduction in violence, smoking, STD diseases, and teen pregnancies were the result of education and awareness campaigns, not the result of shutting down tobacco companies or reduction of violence and sex programming on TV and the internet.

Do you get it?

@JT

There is no age verification whatsoever.

Take it up with the FTC then. Oh wait, they are on BestBuy's side, allowing them to use credit cards to ID adults.

Guess you're up the creek then. Goodbye.
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@JT

Hey, let’s talk about the Sex Club in the game.

Why, is there gay sex you're offended at? It's rated M, and you and your cohorts are out reminding parents that they are failing the land of Jesus if they buy this for their kids. Duh.

Unless you've been lying all this time, and really you're against sex in media... period.
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@Zerodash

Retard can’t even post links correctly (posting old carts with expired session ID). The BB site has the “M” rating all over the place.

You expect Jack to be COMPETENT? ;)
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Apologize for the multiposts.

I'm surprise Jack's not pulling a CSM and claiming you can decapitate cops with a shovel in the final version. Just as big a lie, but hey, he's an expert on Fox, he's legally allowed to lie...
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@JT

Uh, dude, Manhunt 2 is rated M on the Best Buy site. Learn to read.

A Sex Club? Oh no! What if the 17+ year olds are exposed to something sexual? Wait, wait...R rated movies have sex scenes. Never mind, I almost thought you had a point there. Moving on.

Too bad you still need a credit card to purchase the game online, which is an accepted form of age verification, idiot. Kindly come back when you have a coherent argument.

John Bruce (liar and fraud),
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8336231&st=manhunt+2&lp=1&...

"Rated MManhunt 2 - PlayStation 2
Publisher: Rockstar Games | SKU: 8336231
Release Date: 10/30/2007
ESRB Rating: M=Mature "
Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

@JT

What the heck are you talking about? Here's the purchase page for MH2 on bestbuy.com:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8336473&type=product&id=11...

Notice two things:

1) It mentions that it's rated "M" TWICE, on that page alone, and fully explains what content in the game warrents that rating.

2) You're both nuts and blind.

did anyone notice what that mom said when she saw the poster?

"No adults shouldn't play something in their house that they tell their kids they can't play too"

That part made my jaw drop. So if I had a kid, I couldn't own an M-rated game. Thanks, lady.

@zen

My old bookstore didn't even have plastic covers, and the porno mags would be right next to the video game magazines- not to mention hidden out of view of the counter. At least with Manhunt, you have to buy the game in order to be experience it, and you have to be 17 to do that.

Motion to delete JT's second post on the grounds that it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Jack. I'm going to say this slowly so that even you, with your apparently diminished mental capacity.

*ahem* CREDIT. CARDS. ARE. AN. ACCEPTED. FORM. OF. AGE. VERIFICATION. The FTC said so. So quit your incessant whining.

Believe it or not, no minor can carry a credit card without parental consent. It is therefore the parents responsibility to monitor what the child is buying. I'm not going to hand little Timmy a credit line without having explicit knowldge of what he's buying with it.

I know you have trouble with reading comprehension, so let's do this again:

CREDIT. CARDS. ARE. AN. ACCEPTED. FORM. OF. AGE. VERIFICATION.

Do you understand yet Jack? No. Of course you don't. You're not capable of analyzing any piece of written work with accuracy unless it came from your own hand. And even THAT you do poorly. So when you're done being a misinformed, billigerent, decietful, slanderous, infantile, narrow-minded, disgusting little insect of a man, come talk to me. Perhaps we can put you somewhere where you can find the help you need. A 6th grade english class, perhaps.

So Jack, we should punish a company because kids lie about their age to get a product they sell. Makes perfect sense in crazy land.

I love how the media unintentionally hyped this game so much. I haven't seen one ad for this game on TV, and I remember there being ones for the first Manhunt.

So now the game sells more copies, which kids will then buy on ebay (which I wonder why nobody bothers them about selling M rated games to kids). Oh well, in a world with the Pain Olympics freely available on the internet for anyone to see, we worry about a game, with a clear rating, that one must purchase along with having the system to play it on.

can i react to the guy holding the poster...idiot.

Wild Jack Thompson appeared!

GP used logic!

GP stated the obvious!

Its Super Effective!

Motion to ignore Jack Thompson from all GP posts. We already know what hes going to say and most of the time is insulting and irrelevant. Do I hear a second?

Ok, wow. Jack is really an idiot. He posted a link for a secure sign on page that was tied to his shopping cart, so of course the 'evidence' he supplies is not viewable by anyone else.

Damn, and I here I thought he had the IQ of warm tapioca pudding..., it just got downgraded to Goldfish.

@ Brent

Heard and Seconded

@ TheBird

Sadly when we do start posts fact (which is common) then Jack backs off and fades away. He can twist half truths (and outright lies) with the best of them but when faced with reality he tends to be MIA. A coward will run even when not being chased.

The guy with the poster... hmm guess if he was trying to sell the poster I might understand but to use a thing out of context to try to twist things... well that is not even worth contempt. Most people step on bugs.

@Icehawk

We have a Second. All in favor post Yes or IE.

Sex club in the game? Nothing wrong with that, as long as there isn't content shown that would bring the game's rating up to AO. How many TV shows shown before 10 at night feature scenes in sex clubs, but no "naughty bits" shown? Plenty.

You loading age-old URLs again, Jack? It's been marked as M for weeks. Old URLs hold no leverage... and RP games, because of their CHANCE to be rated M, also require age verification, so you still have no argument.

Honestly, even if kids CAN get their hands on the game, does that mean that any of them actually want to? The original Manhunt didn't sell too well, and I doubt that the majority of those who actually bought it were kids. Why, because it's not the type of action/violence kids are attracted to. Kids like violent entertainment, no doubt, but only when it's stylized in such a way as to look "cool". That's why shows like DragonballZ are popular, and why kids like Halo etc. Speaking from my own experience as a child, I never was interested in horrific, super-realistic violence. Why? Because it scared me. And I'd be willing to bet that the majority of kids up to the age of say, 12 would feel the same way. Plus, the game isn't exactly a AAA title. It's not as if people are waiting outside Best Buys to get their hands on a copy the second the game cames out.

This idiot is only giving the game more hype. He's nothing more but an advertising tool for Rockstar

I just bought the game today and there were only two copies left. I remember when the first game came out and it didn't sell nearly as well. Why? Because it didn't get all the free advertising that the sequel has.

@The woman who said that if parents do not allow their kids to play this game, their parents souldn't play this game in their house.

So when I have children, I lose my constitutional right to watch what I want to watch, listen to what I listen to, and to play what I want to play just because I told my kids no? That has got to be one of the most JACKED UP statements ever.

Can I get a witness from the congregation?

Yeah, the whole "We arrange things alphabetically" angle just isn't going to cut it, you sick freaks at Wal-Mart!

Notice he didn't look in the movie section and see that various PG movies are right next to R and Unrated based simply on alphabetizing them...whoopsi-doodle!

Personally, though, parents shouldn't be so stupid to assume that a game that has a poster of a guy holding a syringe as a weapon IS good for their kids. It's almost like insulting their intelligence. Which needs insulted, as many of them are really, really stupid, apparently.

when did jt start working for R*?
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