Jack Thompson's GDC Debate Prospects Not Looking Good

November 5, 2007 -
Jack Thompson at the Game Developers Conference?

The Earth might spin off its axis...

But, fresh off of Saturday's appearance in Philadelphia, the controversial attorney claims that he has been invited to reprise his VGXPO debate at GDC, which takes place in February in San Jose.

The news comes from a motion filed by Thompson with the U.S. District Court in Florida, where the anti-game activist is suing the Florida Bar. While the document itself is little more than a legal maneuver, the following text caught GP's eye:
This past Saturday I journeyed to the Pennsylvania Convention Center and debated Lorne Lanning, an iconic figure in the video game industry, on the very issues that spawned the Blank Rome/Take-Two SLAPP Bar complaints against me. You can read all about the debate at http://www.gamepolitics.com/.

It appears I did very well, despite heavy security insisted upon by the event, not by me. I was invited, they said, into the “lions’ den.”

In the audience [for] this event, unbeknownst to me, was the man who organizes the largest video game gathering in the world, the Game Developers Conference (GDC), attended by 20,000 folks...

Because of the quality and coherence of my presentation, I was then asked by the GDC to reprise the Philadelphia debate, this time in February in San Francisco in a 5000 seat arena, as the keynote event.

GP: We haven't verified this with anyone connected with GDC as of yet, but we're working on it. Read Thompson's court filing here.

UPDATE: Contrary to what is written in Thompson's court filing, "the man who organizes" GDC, director Jamil Moledina, was not in attendance at VGXPO. Thompson is apparently referring to noted video game composer Tommy Tallarico, who is on the main advisory board of GDC. Tallarico was in attendance at VGXPO, but told GP he did not discuss the debate idea with Thompson personally (see below).

UPDATE 2: GP has just received this statement from the GDC's press representative:
"The Game Developers Conference has not extended an invitation to Jack Thompson to speak at GDC 2008," Jamil Moledina, executive director, Game Developers Conference, said.  "We look forward to announcing the full speaker lineup closer to the show."

UPDATE 3: GP has just spoken with Tommy Tallarico about this confusing situation. Tommy, who has attended VGXPO for several years, said that he introduced himself to Jack Thompson before Saturday's debate.
After the [Moral Kombat] movie, I walked up to Jack Thompson and introduced myself... when I started talking to him, honestly, he was quite charming, it was a nice conversation...

After the debate Tallarico had dinner with Lorne Lanning and Spencer Halpin. They discussed the possibility of having a similar debate involving Thompson at GDC. Spencer Halpin's wife, an organizer of VGXPO, broached the possibility of a debate with Thompson by phone and Thompson expressed interest. Tallarico said that he never personally spoke to Thompson about the debate idea. He told GP that he planned to put the idea before the GDC board for consideration:
I was literally writing the e-mail to the advisory board when I got the call... [saying] go to GamePolitics... [where the story had already broken]...

GP: It is, perhaps, unfortunate, but given today's controversy it looks like any potential debate involving Thompson and GDC is a dead issue.

UPDATE 4: Thompson has posted a letter to GDC director Jamil Moledina which reads:
Since this is how the video game industry treats its critics, no wonder it has a public relations problem with parents. This is an industry that lies about the ratings on its products, sells those products to underage kids behind their parents’ backs, and then wants nothing but an incestuous gathering in San Francisco to congratulate itself on how smart it is.

Federal regulation of your industry is coming because you folks simply can’t figure out why parents don’t trust you. Fine. When the regulation comes, and it will, don’t blame me.

GP: In the end, one has to wonder exactly what Thompson hoped to accomplish here. Had the deal been finalized, the GDC event could have been fascinating for attendees and beneficial to Thompson in an image sense. Very little, if anything, was to be gained by adding the prospect of a GDC appearance to the U.S. District Court record, which publicly exposed it to media scrutiny.

Comments

@ John Bruce

No one else thinks that kids should not have their parents approval before getting an M rated game. Parents should always be in the loop.

My issue is: “stop the sales of mature games to kids under 17, with no parents around. You want my issue to be more than that. It’s not.


So you have no problem with parents buying their kids M rated games. Good to know.

It is called cowardice.
. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

Jack doesn't have the balls to debate anybody at PAX, E3, or any big-name show because he's just a big target to gamers.

Dear Jesse: ROFLMAO has been around for ten years. Where have you been, sleeping with Rumplestiltskin?

@Thomas

Agreed. I used to fly off the handle at JT comments. I kinda mellowed out, especially after my temp ban.

... aww man my comment got moderated.



I had a thoughtful response too.

@jack thompson, attorney

At least you said pleas,e so I do apologize, however, many a time you have gotten more than just an "FU" email and your response was no less childish of abrasive regard less of what it said. I have seen you spout insults at people who have sent you well written arguments and personal experiences. Calling someone's parents messed up is hardly a mature response

"My issue is: “stop the sales of mature games to kids under 17, with no parents around. You want my issue to be more than that. It’s not."

Look, I would seriously like to believe this, but your actions have not reflected it, and if it is your real issue then banning the games completely is not the way to do it. Educating parents on what the ratings are, and possibly making the ratings a little more clear are the way to do it. And really, Take Two is not responsible for someone who isn't of age getting a hold of one of the M rated games they publish. That falls on the retailers and more directly parents.

Oh my you have been a busy bee. I'm surprised you have any free time with the disbarment hearing in a few weeks.

Quick question; how did the the Alabama disciplinary trial go? Or were you able to stall that even longer?

@EZK

He'll probably spin it the same too, claiming that the press rep is a drooling idiot who doesn't know his arse from his backhand, and that the REAL organizer still invited him...
-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaackk

Whats up guy's Well i see we have had quite a few posts from Jacky Boy...So here is another duffy rant and dont worry this isnt going to be as long as the previous one...So lets begin shall we


Ok well lets start off with the fact that Gta san andreas got the dreaded ao after the hot coffee crap was found...Now Manhunt 2 got an ao because of whatever crap reason there was (dont get me started on that cause then that will be a RANT)

This weekend i was playing conan on the 360 and even though it was a pretty good game what i happened to notice is that its a lot more bloody and violent then manhunt 2 or even gta..But what this post is mainly about is the fact that im curious is how does that get by with a m rating when in fact there is straight nudity in the game..If anyone's played it one way to get exp orbs is by rescuing those amazon looking women who are wearing nothing more then a g string and actully show breasts!...


What in the hell is wrong with this picture???

Oral contracts? How's about this?

'Your house is on fire.'

(runs home to check his house, then returns)

'Hey, my house isn't on fire!'
'No, it isn't.'
'But you said that it was!!'

'Yes, I did. Does that make it true?'

@JT

That's a verbal contract, and not worth the paper it is written on. Didn't you learn about those things in your fancy lawyerin' school?

Well, there's yet ANOTHER thing Jack forgot that he learned in Law 101.

1. Remain neutral, do not use personal vendettas or faith as your basis for your actions.

2. Court filings are to be text-only. No gay porn pictures. Duh.

3. Verbal contracts mean nothing. If that were true, you'd have a lot of contracts to fill up on. Where's all those suits you said you'd file against the people posting here, and that guy you said you'd arrest for insulting you? Thanks for going back on your own word, Jack. Sure, that's the RIGHT thing to do. Not.

4. You're a lawyer, not an officer of the law. Your stings are flawed by your own claims, not to mention you're a vigilante.

Anything else i forgot?

@jack thompson, attorney

Mr Tallarico himself came in and shot down your claims. Game over, again

@Phantom

More like buys 2 dozen eggs from the super market and expects them to hatch.

VGL is awesome. Back to Seattle too! Halloween two years ago was it? Good times.

@ Jack Thompson

I was going to write a mature and sensible little note here directed at you.. unfortunately I really fail to see the point in such an endeavor.

You would fail to return the favor.

so all I'll say is:

Awareness and education will always be better than legislation or litigation, you really must re-examine your tactics and adjust accordingly.

Also, regarding your little letter to the GDC:

"Since this is how the video game industry treats its critics, no wonder it has a public relations problem with parents."
Any public relations problem the video game industry has is ill deserved and is driven by insecure agenda-pushing fear-mongers like yourself who do not undertand the issues at hand.

"This is an industry that lies about the ratings on its products,"
Untrue.

"sells those products to underage kids behind their parents’ backs,"
Untrue. Any kid that buys it on their own is taking advantage of lax retailers or is fraudulently using their parents credit card.

"and then wants nothing but an incestuous gathering in San Francisco to congratulate itself on how smart it is."
Why would people from outside the industry be invited or wish to attend an industry gathering? That's like saying a sheep-shearer's convention is "incestuous" because they don't invite the a musician's organization!

"Federal regulation of your industry is coming"
It may be coming, but it will fail, just as it has nine times before.

"because you folks simply can’t figure out why parents don’t trust you."
Parents don't trust them because (a lot of) parents don't understand video games are not just for children. Also, it's difficult to gain trust in anything when there are shrill, misinformed voices like your own screaming that it is evil.
How trustworthy do you think people would find you as a lawyer if there was someone going around telling everbody that you searched for gay porn, sent it to a judge, have had restraining orders put out against you and that you are facing several disciplinary charges on counts of unprofessional behaviour?

"Fine."
Translation: I thought I was invited to your party and I told everyone about it and even included it in a court filing. Now I find out it's not true, I'm embarassed and angry and I will vent my awkward anger through a snippy and childish little letter.

"When the regulation comes, and it will, don’t blame me."
As I said already, the regulation will come and will be shot down for Constitutional issues. And guess what, they won't blame you! It's impossible to blame someone for something that won't happen. The video game industry's lawyers may thank you for the costs they receive from the state, but that's about it.

@ John Bruce

Dear Mr. Moledina:

Since this is how the video game industry treats its critics, no wonder it has a public relations problem with parents. This is an industry that lies about the ratings on its products, sells those products to underage kids behind their parents’ backs, and then wants nothing but an incestuous gathering in San Francisco to congratulate itself on how smart it is.

Federal regulation of your industry is coming because you folks simply can’t figure out why parents don’t trust you. Fine. When the regulation comes, and it will, don’t blame me.

Regards, Jack Thompson


So instead of admitting a mistake you take to burning your bridges before you ever cross them.

They could have easily continued and made a formal invitation, but not now. Not that you have stooped to threatening the GDC for something that was a little more than a misunderstanding.

Way to go on the PR front. Remind me to never hire you for my press agent.

@JT: "No, barratry is soliciting clients. "

It is? I refer you to definition #3 below. How the hell did you pass the bar?



Main Entry:
bar·ra·try Listen to the pronunciation of barratry
Pronunciation:
\?ber-?-tr?, ?ba-r?-\
Function:
noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural bar·ra·tries
Etymology:
Middle English (Scots) barratrie, from Anglo-French *baraterie, literally, deception, from Old French barater to be active, do business, cause strife, deceive, perhaps from Vulgar Latin *prattare, from Greek prattein, prassein to do — more at practical
Date:
15th century

1 : the purchase or sale of office or preferment in church or state
2 : an unlawful act or fraudulent breach of duty by a master of a ship or by the mariners to the injury of the owner of the ship or cargo
3 : the persistent incitement of litigation

i really dont understand it, theres just no way this man is real, i think its has got to be a huge publicity stunt to attract people to buy rockstar's games. If he is real, then the person talking here is no way a 50-somthing year old guy called jack thomson, just the manner in which he speaks on these forums is indicative of this.

if you are jack thomson, then take some advice and hire a bodyguard, cause you think that videogames can contribute to causing youngsters to commit horrific crimes yes? well i dont think you are right, but if you are, and you get some psychopath's favorite violent video game pulled, then he is probably going to be quite annoyed....at you. sure you would supposadly save people in the future's lives from violent deaths, but at the cost of your own?

are you a martyre jack? are you really?

@NG

He's already violated that agreement with Take Two several times.

It's just he does it in ways that have plausible deniability. Like here, if he was called into court, he'd say he had nothing to do with Target pulling the game.

The entire industry is running itself off a cliff? How so? It's had to deal with "pr problems" from people like you for years Jack, and it's survived. I think you need to get it through your head that just saying something doesn't automatically make it true.

Hopefully it'll be someone other than Lorne Lanning.... Hopefully they'll also be prepared and do their home work.... Of course then Jack probably won't want to debate them...

What's the over under on this not happening?

Seriously, I hope too that someone worthy is out on stage with him.

Lorne really didn't hit the issues with as much preparation as he should have.

anyone that does debate jack thompson has to be able to know the facts, with a sharp wit at that. You have to stab the snake to make sure it doesn't bite you.

also: @jt
this is the tenth time you've asked, what makes you think they are going to care, and I want you to prove this GDC appearance with something beyond you just saying it or I'm really not going to believe you.

Fascinating that Dennis McCauley, who can't find the time to come to the game conference in his own hometown, does have the time to read federal court filings. Next time, Dennis, don't be such a scaredy cat.

Jack Thompson

GP: Of course I was there. You read my article, you cited it to the court.

I just love this: I debate one of the darlings of the industry, hold my own in the debate, and then the take on this (see above) is that the person whom I did fine against was never a worthy opponent in the first place.

ROFLMAO. Jack Thompson

What would be nice is if was able to debate without taking cheap shots at people and making gamers out to be worse than paedophiles.

Very interesting. I really hope I can make it to this year's GDC. I haven't had the time or money in the past (sometimes neither), but this year looks fairly promising for me.

The court filing is an interesting tactic. I believe I can see Mr. Thompson's intention with the filing, but I fail to see the impact it could have.

If he and I will both be at GDC, I'd like to take the opportunity to be present during what ever function (debate, round table, etc). I truly would like to introduce myself personally and ask him his thoughts about is happening in Florida, both video game related and not.

While I definitely know his stance on video games, I would really like to know how he feels about the major issues plaguing our state.

EXTREMELY URGENT!

John B. Thompson, Attorney at Law
1172 S. Dixie Hwy., Suite 111
Coral Gables, Florida 33146

November 5, 2007

The Honorable Rachel K. Paulose
U.S. Attorney, District of Minnesota
600 U.S. Courthouse
300 S. Fourth St.
Minneapolis, MN Via email to david.anderson4@usdoj.gov

Re: Alleged Fraud and Alleged Distribution of Sexual Material Harmful to Minors

Dear US Attorney Paulose:

Two retail giants headquartered in your jurisdiction are, in my legal opinion, knowingly and actively involved in distributing sexual material harmful to minors, in violation of federal law, and doing so fraudulently and deceptively, also in violation of federal law.

More specifically, Target and Best Buy are presently distributing, in their retail stores and on-line, a video game, Manhunt 2, which the makers of the game, as well as Best Buy and Target, admit is inappropriate and thus harmful to anyone under 17 years of age, and yet these two Minneapolis companies are selling it on-line to anyone of any age with no age verification. Both companies claim they are not selling such games to anyone under 17, but they are, and if so, this is a fraudulent and deceptive trade practice.

Further, this is a game that contains so much sex and violence that it is banned for sale even to adults in the UK and other EU countries, yet it is being sold by Target and Best Buy to minors. This they are doing openly with no refutation of that even possible.

Additionally, Manhunt 2, is marked on each unit of the game on its ESRB (Entertainment Software Rating Board) descriptor as containing “Strong Sexual Content,” yet these untis are being sold, willy-nilly to individuals under 18 by Best Buy and Target. This may constitute criminal distribution of “sexual material harmful to minors” in violation of state and federal laws. One leading parents’ organization has called the game “pornographic violence.”

Please proceed swiftly on this. I will provide you whatever evidence you need in these regards, as will others.

The above-noted activity by these two Minnesota companies is occurring this very day, November 5, 2007, despite calls from national organizations that it stop.

Sincerely, Jack Thompson

You held your own, Jack. Need I remind you that is not the same thing as winning, and you did not win that debate.

As indicated by Dennis in his previous piece, you had every opportunity in the world to come up and confront him. I was there right behind him and he was no less than 14 feet directly in front of you. Considering the fact that you claim that you're about to take him to court as part of your impending disbarment trial, I figured you ought to have been brave enough to come and exchange a few words with him if that was the case. From the looks of things to me, that makes you the scaredy-cat. Not him.

Dennis, perhaps he didn't come up to you because he thought the big gorilla behind him (me) was his ECA-hired bodyguard? ;)

ROFLMAO.....?

...

*cough*

O......Kaaaay. I think you should lay of the chatrooms and online games for a while, Jack. Just a suggestion.

Jack, please, tell me this. In the most specific way possible, please tell me, clearly and rationaly, why you don't want me to play Halo 3 (I'm 15)

@ Jack "Attention Whore" Thompson

It's not a debate when all you do is attack your opponent's personally. Grow up and become professional.

Funny! It seems jack is a lot more brave when hiding behind a court filing or internet firewall than in person. In my town we call them cowards.

Jack, why are you scared?

So John Bruce doesn't even notice Dennis and then calls Dennis a coward for "not showing up."

I would like confirmation of the GDC debate. I really want to go this year, if I have the spare cash.

@ John Bruce

Didn't you already post that letter? I thought you tried that last week.

"Two retail giants headquartered in your jurisdiction are, in my legal opinion, knowingly and actively involved in distributing sexual material harmful to minors"

Newsflash, Jack Thompson's legal opinion is now considered law. If he thinks something. Opinion counts for nothing Mr. Thompson.

"More specifically, Target and Best Buy are presently distributing, in their retail stores and on-line, a video game, Manhunt 2, which the makers of the game, as well as Best Buy and Target, admit is inappropriate and thus harmful to anyone under 17 years of age"

Inappropriate does not equal harmful. The f-word is inappropriate for children, but if they hear it they are not going to be traumatized or scarred or affected.

"and yet these two Minneapolis companies are selling it on-line to anyone of any age with no age verification."

Credit cards are accepted as a vaild form of age verification. If an underage person is using their parents card, then THEY are engaged in fraud, not the retailers.

"This may constitute criminal distribution of “sexual material harmful to minors” in violation of state and federal laws.

I doubt it.

"One leading parents’ organization has called the game “pornographic violence.”"

There's our old friend opinion again.

"Please proceed swiftly on this. I will provide you whatever evidence you need in these regards, as will others."

This should be corrected to read "I will provide you whatever evidence you need in these regards, while ignoring the mountain of evidence that undermines and blatantly disproves my theories, as will others."

There's sex in Manhunt 2? O_o

ROFLMAO @jt saying ROFLMAO. That's classic.

Anyways, I'm really looking forward to this, especially if jt acts like his normal self.

Black Manta: I never said I "won" the debate, and you can't say whether I did or did not. We celebrated the real First Amendment Saturday, and I don't want to hear about a) what a mentally ill person I am and b) that I won't debate anyone of substance. As to both of those points, kids, knock it the Hell off.

PhoenixZero: I'm sorry, but what part about an ESRB descriptor stating "Strong Sexual Content" do you not understand?

@JT

First off, you don't even provide any evidence in that letter. You just say "Both companies claim they are not selling such games to anyone under 17, but they are, and if so, this is a fraudulent and deceptive trade practice."

You don't even have any proof. Furthermore, you are citing other countries' decisions on what to do with the game? Man, I hope our country's laws are dictated by other countries'. That would be swell.

Also, "yet these untis are being sold, willy-nilly to individuals under 18 by Best Buy and Target." - Makes no sense. It's a game for 17-year-olds and older. So, yeah, they are being sold to under 18-year-olds. Looks like they're following the practices here.

Many R-rated movies contain strong sexual content. Yet there's no law against letting a 10-year-old view it. Just a ratings board, which doesn't constitute any legal enforcement. And since our country's laws aren't founded by one out of many parental organizations, their opinion doesn't matter.

So yet again, you fail to make any logical conclusions within your letter. Go try again, which I know you will.

Govern yourself accordingly.

Dear jds: Apparently you don't know what an "over/under" bet is. It would be a bet, with odds, as to whether it happens. No possible over/under calculation. I've been invited. I've accepted, so has N'gai to moderate it. We're just waiting on Lorne. If he says no, then they'll get somebody else.

By the way, Lorne Lanning said at the debate that the ESA's Doug Lowenstein is now running guns, if I heard him correctly. Check the tape.

GP:  yeah, Lorne said that. However, he's incorrect. Doug is running the Private Equity Council, a lobbying group for private equity firms.

Regarding the the court filing in the original post, he finished it by saying "This is the last time I will ask."

Remember when he said he wasn't going to post here again?

He is still maintaining that the Bar's complaint is regarding his mental health, so now the fact that he was able to hold off the insults and ad hominem attacks for a while and appear reasonable, means that he is a normal person.

It's a pity that the Bar complaints are all regarding his professional behaviour. The complaints include insulting Judges who rule against you, disobeying direct orders to the court, threatening and intimidating opposing attorneys, alleging case fixing by a Judge you were appearing before and other similar charges.

You don't have to be crazy to do those things....but it probably helps...

@Zachary -
I'm in the same spot as you. I *might* have the money this year, but if I come up short I'm going to get a sponsor for the rest of the funds so that I can finally partake in the event (and hope it is better than last year's).

The big problem might be finding the time, but I will probably be programming for EA by then so it might all work out in the end. If you won't make it to I/ITSEC, maybe GDC is the perfect time to grab those IBCs

@PHOENIXZERO: Yah, I'm confused too. I don't deny the fact that there is gratuitous violence in MH2, but I've yet to hear any sexual content. Maybe someone who has played it can confirm/deny the claim.

(normally post under the alias of GameDevMich, using real name for thread directly related to Mr. Thompson per his request. Also, apologies for bad grammar as coffee has not been ingested yet.)

@Black Manta...

Personally, I'm not feeling much like shaking the hand of someone who is currently threatening to sue me for no particular reason...

@ Ken

Yes, unfortunately we'll never get to see Jack debate against an opponent who knows his every move inside and out. We'll never see him debate Henry Jenkins for example. He'll always back out at the last minute. :P

(As an side, I was talking to Hal Halpin at the expo, and we both agreed that we would have lost money that day when we found out that Jack showed up!)

That having been said, as with his appearance at G4, I think Jack underestimated who he was going up against. His quip, "And I thought this was going to be friendly," kind of bore that out.

And oh yeah, Jack. That reminds me of something else. Sorry to disappoint you in your little attempt at self-martyrdom. That's the real reason you came. You were expecting someone, somewhere there to come out and take a shot at you, didn't you? Everybody knew you were coming. I saw you walk by with three security people, but that wouldn't have been enough to stop somebody if they were determined enough.

So admit it, Jack. In spite of what you may call us, many of us are an intelligent, well-spoken and well-adjusted bunch. That moment alone when everyone in the room raised their hands when asked if they played Grand Theft Auto should have told you something, as by your logic, a few of us should have attacked you despite security presence and the code of conduct.

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/11/vgxpo-jack-tomp.html Hooah!:

GP: don't spam articles, you've been advised before. The Wired piece you cited here is already linked from my coverage.

I suggest that the audience all stand and give Mr. Thompson the classic "Heil Mein Furor" salute.

Afterall, we really must pay proper respect to the leader of the moral facism, anti-gaming, wing of the conservative party.
 
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