Did Splinter Cell Motivate Washington High School "Mission" ?

November 7, 2007 -
Did the stealth-adventure Splinter Cell cause five teens to break into their Kitsap County, Washington high school?

According to the North Kitsap Herald, police busted five students after they entered Kingston High School via a door located on the roof (so we'd assume some climbing was involved). From the news report:
One of the 18-year-olds said they had been playing a spy video game, “Splinter Cell,” before deciding to go to the high school... She said her friend and the others were “going on a mission.”

They told deputies once they were inside the school, they ran around and pushed each other in wheeled garbage cans. None of them said they had any intention of vandalizing or taking anything.

Deputies said they saw one of the teenagers in the building upon arrival wearing a black vest and mask. They were able to gain access to the roof, and found the group hiding in an air-conditioning unit.

GP: Personally, we don't think Splinter Cell caused this horrific event. Kids have been pushing one another around in wheeled garbage cans since long before video games were invented.

Comments

I see. Dennis McCauley has decided that this simulation game had absolutely nothing to do with what happened here. Fascinating that Dennis has made this expert diagnosis of the situation from a distance of 2800 miles. And I jump to conclusions? Incredible, Dennis. Thanks for proving yet again what an ECA shill you are for the industry.

Jack Thompson

GP: I'm so glad you recognize subtle humor when you see it.

I don't think Jack understands the joke.

@Jack

It is not a simulation. I have played that game and can no more pull off the acrobatics in it now than before. Further, simply stepping into a shadow does not make one invisible as it does in that game.

Stop claiming to be an expert on video game violence - you have done no studies, you have done no research, you haven't even played the damn games. All you are is a lawyer with a chip on his shoulder.

A simulation is some sort of fictional or dramatized experience that is meant to approximate a real experience. In this sense Splinter Cell IS a simulation; it is meant to make the player feel like he/she is doing sneaky infiltration missions.
A simulator is a fictional experience that is meant to duplicate, with as much authenticity as possible, a real experience. In this sense Splinter Cell IS NOT a simulator, as one cannot get very much in the way of real-world spying experience by playing the game. Too many approximations are made for the purpose of making the game 1) capable of being coded and 2) more fun. This first point is important; it's impossible to encode the brains of authentic people into the game, so NPC actions must be scripted via algorithms that must inevitably simplify human behavior.
Virtually all games are simulations of something. Very few are simulators. The Microsoft Flight Simulator series is perhaps the most well known simulator; playing it allows one to acquire a great deal of real information that can be used in actual piloting, and it is actually used in some formal training situations. I don't think anyone can learn anything useful from Splinter Cell, aside from "when you're trying to be sneaky, being seen by other people is bad."

Jack thompson, Attorney says:
"All interactive games are simulators. Duh. "

First off, just by being a game, doesn't that make them interactive? I've yet to see a passive game.

Secondly, if that's true, why am I not a fully accredited and recognized master of every martial art that's appeared in a videogame? Or a lisenced pilot? Oooh! or better yet, a plumber capable of manhandling a 800-pound gorilla? Why am I not a yellow circle with a taste for white dots, blue ghosts, and fruit, Jack?


And as for your anonimity bullshit, some of us don't like recieving spam mail or phony lawsuits from some whack-job bastard in Miami. If you want my name, you have to earn my respect, Jack. And frankly, you haven't done anything redeeming in the last ten years. As a matter of fact, you've made yourself look like a monster.

Go figure.

AgnostoTheo, Martial Artist, Pilot, Plumber, and Dot-Eating Yellow Circle.

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"I am prepared to fight and die for my cause," he wrote. "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection."


The article also cites how this kid was fascinated by Columbine. But I'm sure Jack will be here shortly to blame it all on video games, because he's an idiot.

It is well known that we don't use our real names, Jack, because of that little thing called an "Identity thief". Also, we prefer using nicknames instead of our real ones when refering to your royal anus.

@Matthew
You're just a shill for the cake and AI industry. Those two groups are in collusion and are perpetuating the myth about the cake, when in reality they are just running our youth through a series of potentially lethal tests with promises of cake that never appears.

@ Mr Thompson

Nonsense. Of course GP can be funny... it just that it's usually when post comments.

On the surface one would find it rather odd that /b/tards like myself were the ones that weren't wishing you ill like the others (Pandalisk I'm looking at you). They just failed to realise you happen to be a valued lulzcow. Why would we wish to do away with something that entertains us?

@Icehawk

I've seen plenty of kids strap on armor and run around with swords at school. Of course, it was during the drive for the RenFest, but that's immaterial.

No... It sounds like they were just auditioning for the next season of Splinter Cell Co-op Theatre.

Look out Bob and Steve!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp9O6FvyD0U

I loved those guys.

"Wow, another video game-related crime. What a freaking surprise:

http://www.switched.com/2007/11/06/boy-hires-hitman-to-kill-parents-after-losing-his-playstation-pr/"


Prove that the video games made him try to hire a hitman rather than just being a person who tried hire a hitman and just happens to play games.

Thats right, you can't.

At least it's very comforting to know that if I kill someone by bashing in their skull with a PS3 console, I'll get off clean but Jack'll sue Sony and the poor Chinese fella who made the console.

Plus the fact, Jack, how do you explain the officer ACCEPTING TO KILL THE KIDS PARENTS? Hypnosis?

From Finland's school shooter:

Murder ‘manifesto’

“I am a cynical existentialist, antihuman humanist, antisocial socialdarwinist, realistic idealist and godlike atheist. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection. You might ask yourselves, why did I do this. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand. I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true. This is my war, my ideas and my plans. Don’t blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Don’t blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It’s time to put SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks!"

That sounds like so much fun! :D

I couldn't agree more. But I'd say that they're taking quite a novel way of "fun"! entering from the roof, how exciting, maybe they should try rock climbing instead.

......Is it wrong that I think these kids are awesome XD ?

It's these damned wheeled garbage can simulators, I tell you!

@Jack

Sometimes I honestly think you think nothing bad ever happened before video games were invented, and that they are the sole cause of evil in the world.

Each and every single thing you claim they have a role in, if you have any point at all, if it wasn't video games, it'd be something else. The event would have still happened. Banning or restricting games wouldn't stop the bad events. It would just restrict the freedoms of gamers who aren't committing crimes anyway without good reason to.

1. Splinter Cell isn't a simulation game. stop using the term "simulation" because it makes you look ignorant.

2. talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Since when are you capable of subtle humor, Dennis. Looks to me like you are the self-proclaimed expert on all things copycat. That's not subtle. That's stupid.

GP: omg

Ahahaha, Really Jackyboy; now I hate to break it to you but kids really have been breaking into schools and doing stupid things for a very very long time.

What I do agree with though is that they might have gotten the idea from Splinter Cell. *gasp* But if it wasn't Splinter Cell it would have been Mission Impossible or a comic book or any of the other things that portray break-ins and mischief that looks cool to kids.

Your attempted censorship of videogames is just the same game as the people who tried to censor music, film, art and things like comic books; in the long run Mr Thompson history will not remember you kindly.

Dear Boffo: First of all, shake the cowardice and use your real name, if you have one.

Secondly, we're talking about possible copycatting, not whether games are the source of all violence. Honestly, how silly can you get? Very, apparently.

lol, i agree the kids should be cautioned or w/e for breaking and entering, but they did it with no malicious intent, and i personally think it's hillarious.

meh, its fair enough to say that splinter cell may have influenced the decision to do this, but they did it for fun with no malicious intent, so 's not so bad as if they'd broken in to steal/destroy.

Jeez, I had the feeling JT couldn't resist putting his two cents in on this one? I just didn't think it would be so soon. :rolleyes:

You know, Jack, if video games didn't exist they would have gotten the inspiration from someplace else. My friends and I in high school did things that were inspired by things we saw in movies or on T.V. Like them, we never set out to harm anyone and we never did. We just wanted to do it because it looked cool (ah, the recklessness of youth!)

Here's one time where kids saw something in a video game and had some good, clean (if somewhat illegal) fun. No one got hurt, they didn't kill anyone and nothing got stolen or vandalized. But no, you won't be satisfied. Admit it, Jack: to you as a Christian video games are a tool of the devil that corrupt our youth. Well I'm going to say it because Dennis is too polite: Fuck you! Fuck you and your stupid, worthless born-again Christian ideaology! I've had enough of your kind and your backwards way of thinking. Take it and shove it up your ass!

Whether you like it or not, video games are here to stay. You won't change that. It is a common medium that happens to be popular with our youth and with which they can share common experiences. If it wasn't that, it'd be something else. Stop going around assuming the devil in what you don't understand and leave us in peace.

Hey, I did that as a kid. Well pushing people in garbage cans, and bieng pushed in garbage cans. Then I turned ten, more importantly, I discovered video games at the time. Duke Nukem for the win!

Another case of "What has he got that we don't like?", "Jesus! Video games!".

Yeah, I don't remember that mission in Splinter Cell. It might have been fun if you could sneak into a building somewhere and ride around in wheel garbage cans.

Also, Jack, you're a dumb ass. Shut up and go away.

Yeah, I don't remember that mission in Splinter Cell. It might have been fun if you could sneak into a building somewhere and ride around in wheel garbage cans.

Also, Jack, you're a dumb ass. Shut up and go away.

@Jack Thompson

Kids have been doing this since long before video games. Kids have been VIOLENT and/or STUPID long before video games. You are deliberately misunderstanding that 2005 study you keep bandying about, the one whose creators came out and said that there was NO CAUSATION.

Riddle me this, Thompson, if violent video games are the cause of all these evils, as you claim, then why has youth violence seen a DECREASE EVERY YEAR SINCE THE 1980's?!?

Note: I'm not angry due to the influence of video games, I'm angry due to how obtuse Jack is - he is either too dense to understand the matter (which, given his inability to even properly file documents to the court, his lack of knowledge of what constitutes appropriate material for legal proceedings, his total slaughter of the English language, and his comforting fantasies about conspiracy theories to cover up for his incompetence, I'm not going to rule out), or is being willfully ignorant of the facts.

I code simulations for DoD and DHS contracts. A combat simulator Splinter Cell is not. It is an entertainment game, not a serious game (which is the current term for simulations today).

There may have been a time when the term "simulation" might have been appropriate, but in this day and age, I'm afraid Mr. Thompson is using incorrect wording.

Newsflash: Kids do something silly. End newsflash.

It's scary that the anti-games lobby have pushed the agenda of "Games cause violence/wrong behaviour" so much that people are actually accepting it, or using it as an excuse.

This has nothing to do with video games. Bored and irresponsible kids? Yes. Video games? Don't make me laugh.

If they were influenced by Splinter Cell, why haven't they discovered bodies hidden in the shadows? Or silenced pistols in the possession of the kids?

My question is...who the hell cares?

Sheesh, when I was younger I was climbing anything I could find. Buildings, trees, etc. That's some good, wholesome fun. You know, kid stuff. Hell, if I could find a decent tree nearby right now...

These guys are harmless.

@JT
Hey, if you can make an "expert diagnosis" hours before knowing who the culprit actually is, anyone can make an "expert diagnosis" when they actually have all the information.

Also, when I said "expert diagnosis", the "expert" was in massive sarcasm quotes.

Pah! Kids have been breaking into everything from old abandoned homes, to construction sites, to, yes, even their own schools, among MANY other structures and locales... heck, since kids started using their imaginations.

While you were giving a little sublte humor, "horrific" was a bit harsh. Though you probably meant to give it that sarcastic verbal tone that doesn't come over well in writing without a few symbols to represent it (like quotation marks).

Really folks, raise your hands if you remember all the stories about kids who broke into various places during the early days of D&D just to play out the games more "realistically"? Or how many of you went through or put others throught the "I dare you..."?

Seriously, the kids need to realize they did something wrong and need to take responsibility for it by accepting punishment. Yeah, it's a non-violent silly thing to do so the punishment shouldn't be harsh, but still, gotta take responsibility for making these choices. Hey, what grounding compared to being accidentally shot by a trigger happy security guard or police officer or accidentally falling down stairs or off the building? Take your punishment as bravely as you chose to break into the school and keep on truckin'.

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All interactive games are simulators. Duh.

@ John Bruce

I see. John Bruce Thompson has decided that this simulation game had absolutely everything to do with what happened here. Fascinating that John Bruce has made this expert diagnosis of the situation from a distance of 3385.66 miles. And Dennis jumps to conclusions? Incredible, John Bruce. Thanks for proving yet again what a shill you are for the no one.


Since when are you capable of subtle humor, John Bruce. Looks to me like you are the self-proclaimed expert on all things copycat. That’s not subtle. That’s stupid.


There fixed that for you.

If I am not mistaken, you are the one that jumped to the conclusion of Cho training on Counterstrike before he was named and before we had an official body count.

Johnny boy, you are an idiot.

Eeesh. Completely forgot to comment on the story. I played Splinter Cell a few years back. Last year, we went to the roof of our office building to watch the shuttle launch (aaahhh the perks of being a Floridian). I barely made it up the ladder, and as soon as I got on the roof I was immediately stricken with veritgo.

I never had these problems in Splinter Cell. In fact, I remember trying to do the whole roof top intrusion maneuver when I was locked out of my house when I was a teenager. That was before Splinter Cell. Though the point of "these things happened before video games" has been beaten to death, it is still a valid point.

Jack, Jack, Jack...

Each time kids do something silly, you will jump the gun and yell "FAULT TO THE VIDEOGAMES" without anything to backup your speech. You've done it so many times I've lost count.

Dennis isn't jumping the gun when telling that videogames couldn't have caused this incident. The magic word is "could". This can leave a bit of doubt in the question. Beside, if he can't prove that video games weren't involved, you can't prove (at least at this point) that they were either.

Rebel kids always existed. And if video games didn't exist, I'm sure you would go after movies (Since you attacked rap music before, that wouldn't surprise me). And since you're quite misinformed (Splinter Cell has no part that require you to infiltrate into a building by rolling into trash cans as I can remember), your own expert diagnosis contain as much relevant informations than a children storybook.

Some kids break into a School and act like idiots. That's never happened before. Kids always say stuff like "We're going on a mission" or something, it's called pretending, Just cuz one of them mentioned splinter cell doesn't mean they planned on rapelling down the walls and breaking the deputies neck.

Maybe they mentioned splinter cell so they could possibly get off lightly? wouldn't be the first time someone would blame games rather than deal with reality *cue-innocent whistle*

Honestly, in this day and age of school violence/school shootings, it's kind of a boneheaded thing for these kids to do. I'm not saying that it was recon for a bombing or shooting frenzy, but overly twitchy/protective parents or administrators could view it as such.
That being said, yeah, it sounds like young people doing silly, reckless things. Remember when there were a spate of injuries arising from people copying things they saw on the show Jackass? Yeah... kind of like that. And if anything this is encouraging to some degree. Copycatting of this nature has occured for years and years now, and perhaps these kids copied what they saw in a game - BUT ONLY THE HARMLESS PARTS! They didn't say, "let's break into someplace and kill someone," they said, "let's break into someplace so we can be sneaky like ninjas or Sam Fisher!" So apparently stupid adolescent antics still can't trump a properly instilled sense of right and wrong.

I think we've found the next installment of the franchise! "Splinter Cell: Garbage Can" sounds like an awesome game, doesn't it?

@John Bruce
Why don't you use your real name?

No, you can't have "Splinter Cell: Garbage Can", because it would be offensive to garbage men. You could get sued for saying things like that...

Although it seems in this day and age, lawsuits are more common than good old-fashioned adult discussions. At least now I know why the government takes so damn much money out of my paycheck every week!!!

As awfully hilarious as I can envision it, its just another example of games becoming a new "its not my fault."

I at least hope the kids don't walk away from this without so much as a detention :/

air conditioning unit, nice try, but everyone knows you hide in the ceiling tiles

"Since when are you capable of subtle humor, Dennis. Looks to me like you are the self-proclaimed expert on all things copycat. That’s not subtle. That’s stupid."

And they say theres nothing funny on Gamepolitics. You, sir, owe me a new keyboard for that one.

@Jack Thompson

Jack, not using our real name isn't cowardice. I'm nice to even use my real first name.

The #1 rule on the Internet is to not divulge personal information to anyone we don't know or trust. Every parents who are educated about the Internet knows this. This doesn't apply only to children, but to adults too.

I won't give you any personal information because I don't know you personally and I DON'T trust you (and after all the things you said, I doubt I ever will).

I for one think this is the evidence we need to ban those dreadful, wheeled, assault garbage cans! No honest man needs a high capacity trash can with tactical wheels. Think of the children and stuff.

It amuses me when things like this start happening and people cry "copy cat!" People have been doing stupid things long since before video games came around.

@Rdeegvainl

Yeah, I know what you mean. And they say these kids "train" on video games. :P
 
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