Gamer Posts YouTube Debate Video

November 20, 2007 -

I'm not sure if this guy is an ECA member or not, but he certainly has gamer rights in mind.

I'm guessing from the assault rifles on the wall behind him that he's also in favor of gun ownership. Not the backdrop I might have chosen, perhaps...

 


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Re: Gamer Posts YouTube Debate Video

You stated that video games don't cause violence yet you have 2 guns in the background, you have just given them a perfect argument. download movies

 

Re: Gamer Posts YouTube Debate Video

You people that were distracted by these gun replicas are morons. You didn't even listen to what he had to say. What would you think had he only submitted an audio clip instead?
His point is that we really don't know politician's views on videogames and would like to know whether or not his hobby is safe from censorship.
(nice g36 and xm8 I've never seen such wall decorations before)

The guns made me leery at first...he started off well, then...I have yet to initiate a drive-by shooting...then, "this is my baby." Sad thing is, this may very well be the video chosen so guys like Mitt Romney, Duncan Hunter, and Alan Keyes (yes, Alan Keyes is running again in case you haven't heard) can soapbox how they represent the concerned, values-oriented Americans, rather than the idiotic gamers.

Watch. This will be the video chosen to represent the *entire* gamer world. I hope this guy's happy.

Ummm....... Yeah... I don't even know where to start....

I think the guns are there for a reason, and I'm inclined to agree with it, basically, this guy is saying that he has several guns, plays video games and yet has had no incliniation to use the first because of the latter.

What he's basically saying is 'if You want to find a killer, don't look for guns, don't look for video games, most of America has one or both in their houses.'

Why should we be at all concerned if a gamer has guns in his house? I have weaponry in mine that could be used to kill someone, doesn't mean I'm going to. The first reaction was, I'll admit I was a bit concerned and surprised when I saw this video, but I thought about it for a second and realised that was anti-game conditioning.

Memo to this kid: hanging automatic weaponry behind you while simultaneously referring to Halo 3 as "my baby" probably isn't the best way to get the candidates to take you seriously.

@GP:

I realize this is important, but PLEASE don't let this become a repeat of the last time gamers and YouTube got together on this. If the video is especially compelling, fine. If not, we really don't need to have 50 of these featured, each one with their own article.

I get the feeling the 'My Babies' comment was taking the rise out of the 'For the Children' attitude towards games. I suppose it depends on how receptive the US politicians are to humour. In the UK, this wouldn't have been a big deal, but then I think we take our politicians far less seriously (though I'll add, it's because we can, US politicians are far more autonomous than UK ones)

Quick people we must put down a Gun Free Zone by his house because we all know Gun Free Zones are safest place to be, don't believe vile Republican lies that all Gun Free zones happen to be the most violent areas in Democratic Controlled cities and that normal citzens cannot find arms to protect themselves and it's all lies that criminals find their guns and get them illegally on a black market, such lies.....

Banning guns for everyone to use will of course make all guns go away and don't bring up this terrible lies they will just get them from some underground black market, lies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGqiULYbt5Y

What a fucker, great job asshole. You're trying to convince politicians that games do not make you violent, yet you have two assault rifles on your wall?

I will not be surprised if Faux News grabs this video and, as Fedule said, uses it to represent all gamers.

Oh dear, and we are the ones who complain about people jumping to conclusions about games and game-players...

There's no evidence to suggest they are his guns, they may be his fathers', who knows, I can understand people thinking like Anti-gamers, and trying to anticipate the fallout from the video, but lets not trick ourselves into thinking any 'special' rules apply about what people are allowed to hang on their walls simply because they are a video gamer, otherwise, rather than anticipating, we are actually starting to believe the hype.

I'm sorry I can see why there is hate over this video but isn't the Republican party the one for the 2nd Amendment ... Isn't the NRA big in the republican party. I could be wrong but if I'm not the guns won't do a thing to them. More issues worrying about any politician or a certain individual getting a hold of it and using it as a SEE here is proof.

Does it make any difference that they're clearly not real guns?

@ hayabusa75

Eventually, GP started doing a daily feature of videos uploaded. It worked out quite well. I would not be surprised if he did this again.

Those are airsoft rifles- like paintball guns only they look real and shoot 6mm plastic bbs.

No civilian owns an XM-8. (The futuristic rifle pictured below the G36 up top). More than likely, he was trying to look badass.

hes addressing republicans. they love guns!

He ripped off a video seen in the Democratic debate on CNN a while back. A guy said "This is my baby" and pulled out what looked to be an M4A1.

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Papa Midnight

I agree with GoodRobotUs's interpretation -
"I think the guns are there for a reason, and I’m inclined to agree with it, basically, this guy is saying that he has several guns, plays video games and yet has had no incliniation to use the first because of the latter." - QFT - I just hope that subtle message doesn't fly over too many people's heads, as evinced here.

Assault rifles make the best interior decoration. They're covered under feng shui in the metals category, I believe (not sure where plastic lies).

He probably just wants to point out that he plays video games and owns assault rifles and yet hasn't shot up any school campuses.

Maybe he should have taken down the guns first...

What a ******* ***** ***** ** ** * * etc..... for ***** sake, this guy is a ******* moron, why the **** would you choose that background? damn, americans are really mentally retarded.

FEPA kinda failed, I don't know why he would reference that moronic legislation.

I get the feeling the ‘My Babies’ comment was taking the rise out of the ‘For the Children’ attitude towards games---

no, i think it's because in one of the past presidential debates some moron asked a question about gun control while holding his AR15(civilian version of M4) and saying it was his baby, after that Joe biden made fun of him, he said something like "Well if that's his baby, then he has serious issues".

Watch. This will be the video chosen to represent the *entire* gamer world. I hope this guy’s happy.---

yeah, thx a lot, what's next? a video of a 500kg acne ridden man with doritos and cheetos on his face and fapping while looking at the camera? c'mon...

I will not be surprised if Faux News grabs this video and, as Fedule said, uses it to represent all gamers.---

Fedule and you are right, in fact if i was working for Fox news or anything like that believe, i would put it on the air. this video would be the best thing to ridicule gamers, to make them feel like shit. i actually think this guy is a 'saboteur', an 'infiltrator' with the intention to damage the game community... nobody would be that stupid.

OH MY GOD HE HAS GUNS HE MUST BE A NUT JOB.

Jesus Christ people calm the fuck down. This is for the republican debate is it not? Few if any republicans will publicly claimed to be disturbed by the guns. Frankly, they are more likely going to be weirded out by the "my baby" comment.

Never mind the fact that those 2 guns behind are probably air soft guns.

sorry for the double

Here his youtube user page.
http://www.youtube.com/user/huertanix

They're definately airsoft guns. The one on the bottom has never been available to civilians in any way, shape or form.

The bottom one is a prototype version of a rifle borne of the OICW program. The only way he got those real guns is if his mom or dad worked for the H&K.
Though you could modify one of there civilian guns(Slap8-6) to look like the top gun(G36).

OH MY GOD HE HAS GUNS HE MUST BE A NUT JOB.---

He his. and the problem is that we need alpha males to submit videos not beta males. and there's none so far. i would submit a video of me, but my webcam is not working rigth now.

I doubt anyone could bring home an XM-8, regardless of if they worked for H&K or not. They don't let you bring samples home.

Kingo, why? Last time I checked you weren't an "American"

Ok, I havent had the chance to watch the video yet(will do later), but those are clearly airsoft guns. The XM8 isnt even made anymore, the program got canceled. And even if it did, it's not a civilian rifle. But those democrats wouldnt know it.

It doesn't matter if it's an air gun, you do realize how stupid and deceptive the media is don't you?

x8236986 on those being airsoft.

Even if they were "real," they wouldn't be assault rifles anyway, as it's illegal for a civilian to own an automatic weapon that wasn't made and registered before 1986. But don't let facts get in the way of the pants-shitting hysteria over the scary looking toys..

And on that not, the question itself is rather silly given that the Family Entertainment Protection Act was never signed into law.

@GoodRobotUs:

And the latter doesn't exactly include a how-to manual on operating the former.

Overall, I didn't mind the video...

But there are a few things that disagree with.

1: He mentions that Democrats have tried to introduce legislation to restrict our rights to purchase violent video games. While this is true, what he fails to mention is that the stupidity is absolutely bi-partisan. For every Democratic representative that has tried to "protect our frail and feeble minds" and "save us from these young murder machines" there's a Republican representative who's tried to do the same. Generally, Democrats do it because they want to promote anti-violence, and Republicans do it to reflect their restrictive and linear views of what family values are.

2: The guns in the background are effective to a Republican audience, but as we saw in the reactions of the media and us gamers to the Prez playing games with wounded vets, a simple thing such as his decoration could be used to portray us all as gun-nuts. Regardless of his intentions, people will read into that choice according to their own preconceptions.

3: I understand the "this is my baby" comment... but again, it's one of those things that will mean different things to different political filters. On one hand, it's a sign of our obvious addiction to violence and destruction, on the other hand, its a real life example of how a simple game can become a constitutional lightning-rod.

@AgonThalia

1: Not entirely true. For every one Republican who has written, sponsored, or signed a piece of anti-game legislation there are about ten Democrats. This could change if enough games with sexual content go mainstream to make it a real "family values" issue for Republicans. But with Hot Coffee out of the way, it's almost exclusively about the violence. The PC, non-violence thing is, of course, very partisan.

2: This hurts us how? If the Republicans think we're all gun-nuts, they will pander to us. Hillary and friends hate us either way. Win/win.

3: The "my baby" thing is an obvious spoof of the token gun-nut question at the Democratic YouTube debate. Anyone who fails to recognize that and proceeds to use it against us is probably beyond hope anyway. ;)

Recently, I read a post suggesting that all paintballers are perverts becuase of a Fox News piece that showed paintballers and some questionable behaviour. Here you have the same issue. Stereotyping is stereotyping. You can't paint people or actions with a wide brush. What one person or replican "gun-nut" might do is not a ticket to paint all republicans as "gun-nuts".
 
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