
Controversial Miami attorney Jack Thompson faces the start of an ethics trial this morning which could see him disbarred.
The Florida Bar is pursuing several complaints concerning Thompson's professional conduct in court cases against the video game industry.
As reported by
GamePolitics, Thompson's bid to block the trial
failed last week when U.S. District Court Judge Adalberto Jordan dismissed his suit against the Florida Bar and Judge Dava Tunis, the referee appointed by the Florida Supreme Court to preside over the case.
Thompson's
attempt to add myself and the Entertainment Consumers Association (
ECA) as co-defendants in that federal suit also failed.
Over the weekend, Thompson turned to the Florida Supreme Court in an apparent effort to block this morning's trial from moving forward. In one court filing Thompson asserted that he was willing to accept a 90-day suspension of his license to practice law. The embattled attorney claimed that such an offer had been on the table, but that the Florida Bar was now seeking his permanent disbarment.
A second document appeared to outline a lawsuit against the State of Florida, which has authority over the Florida Bar. Thompson claims that the Bar's pursuit of him is motivated by his Christian activism and is designed to silence his outspokenness.
UPDATE: GP called down to the Florida Bar this morning and learned that the entire week has been set aside to hear Thompson's case. Following arguments, referee Judge Tunis has until December 21st to issue a ruling. Extensions are possible, however, so the end result could come even later than that date.
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Ah, good point - I hadn't realized that none of my listed options were mutually exclusive. So then, we have d) all of the above.
If he was prepared to get the 90 days suspension, it means that he's running out of ideas. He finally faces his achilles' heel: facing people that aren't as gullible as those he faced before.
He thought that he could do all he wanted with his "attorney" brand and get away with it. He WON'T get away with it. Not after calling his fellow bar attorneys and judges corrupts and criminals with no proof nor motives.
Dangerous people are forever dangerous after all.
He's up on ethics issues. He's implied that judges on the case are incompetent and out to get him on top of that. In legal filings he's made it clear that the only rules Jack Thompson follows are the rules of Jack Thompson... Laws be damned!
If he had merely thrown this side of himself up on GP or other media sources then he might have a chance to get away with that slap on the wrist. However, between the legal filings with gay porn and other stunts it's clear he knows as well as the bar that he's in deep. I agree with everyone here that his saying he'd voluntarily agree to a 90 day suspension of his law license clearly shows he knows he's lost. When has Jack EVER admited defeat or being on the wrong side of an argument?
Jack is done. This anti-gamer chapter is over and no one is about to shed any tears over that.
Personally, I think he will get disbarred, but only temporary.
They're finally breaking out the big guns on JT. This has been a very good day, I see.
This is a man who proclaimed not facing sanction for sending a judge gay porn a win, when it was just barely sneaking away from trouble he got himself into without any sort of gain in the whole deal.
The thing is, that to God, there is no "degrees" of sin. It is very simple, boolean-like in structure. Either you are 100% perfect in every thought, word, action, feeling, and word, or you are a sinner. How much someone sins is irrelevant. If you ever made one mistake or failed on God's law in the slightest, in your entire life, you are screwed. As Paul's passage reads, which you quoted, "For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God." Emphasis mine. There is no list or hierarchy of sins. Jesus had even explained that simply hating (and not acting on the hate even) someone is equivalent to murdering that person. God is perfect, and requires perfection. And I don't mean going forward, I mean in the entirety of a person's life. The good thing is that Jesus paid for it all, he lived the perfect life we could never lead, and died to pay for all sin -- it's all said, over, and done, paid in full. As Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life; no one can come to the Father, except through me." (John 14:6) All it takes is belief, and absolute trust in Jesus, and a person is saved.
Honestly, it is for God to judge people, not people to judge people on this. Only God knows if someone will oppose Him to his or her dying breath. Up until that moment, anyone can turn back to God, yes... even Jack Thompson could. Even when Jesus was dying on the cross, one of the thieves with him had faith in Christ, and was promised he'd be with Christ in paradise. "Deathbed confessions" are possible. Honestly, I hope that Jack does turn a new leaf. But, if he doesn't, what God has in store for him is far worse than anything I could ever think of.
It's the same God in both Testaments. There was a very specific purpose that the Old Testament people played, and they had a very different covenant with God -- they follow His Law, and He gives them wealth and prosperity. If they fail to follow His law, He will punish them up to the fourth generation for it, unless they repent and turn back to him immediately. The Old Testament people couldn't even keep to follow God's Law from one generation to the next. The New Covenant was made with Jesus, and it is very simple. Trust in Him, the Christ promised from old, and throughout all of the Old Testament, promised to Abraham and even to Adam. Where the Old Testament people looked forward to the future promise of the Christ, the New Testament covers the time that exists up through now, which is after the fulfillment of the promises that were given.
And as much as we may dislike their tactics, they play within the boundaries of the law and leave it at that.
As must the Bar. As much as I'm sure they'd like, merely slapping JT for "being an ass" is only going to lead credence to the "they're out to get me" line he's stringing. So they can only nail him for times that he's violated actual Bar rules. Things that are already in the complaints, like disobeying judge's order, questioning judges' ethics and integrity within legal documents, etc.
Unfortunately, his actions outside of a courtroom/docket/legal docs that merely embarrass the Bar are unlikely to have much sway when it comes to judging his conduct.
Believe it or not, lawyers do have a right to make disparaging comments about judges, etc. Just not usually within the confines of practising law. So he can make such comments in letters to the editor, but not as part of a court filing.
With a decision currently scheduled by December 21st, can you imagine what kind of Christmas it will be in the Thompson house if the call is that Jack is disbarred either permanently or for some substantial length of time?
I can already imagine that it couldn't have been a very pleasant Thanksgiving, with Jack losing his pre-emptive case to stop this just beforehand.
I intensely dislike Thompson. He's a liar and extremely unethical. He has committed behavior against Dennis and others on this site (and elsewhere) that is tantamount to stalking. He has a continuing tendency to only acknowledge information that supports his extremely tenuous case, and treats it like gospel, while disregarding totally any information against his case, solely for that reason. He also claims to represent my religion while everything he says and does is full of hate and lies.
When he's disbarred, he'll deserve it.
But if anything, I feel pity for his family. They deserve a better Christmas than this. Maybe if we knew what system Jack's son had, we could get him Madden or something.
My apoligies. I am at best uncertain about the christian faith. Mind you I was raised attending but never payed as much attention as I probably should. Due to an accident a few years ago (my son died) my connection with the church and God became strained almost to the breaking point. Needless to say I had alot of questions as to why a loving and compassionate god would take the life of a child.... sigh. Sorry
These questions were never answered (doubt they could be) so I became detached and evolved into a paganish agnostic. There are many things I do not know. The more I have learned the more I find I did not know. The world and the universe are mind staggering.
I do not have anything against those of faith nor those that chose not to beleive, it is a matter of personal choice. If having faith gives you strength then that is good in itself. None should even attempt to take such away.
Mid you I percieve things from my own (limited) point of view, know I am not without bias and opinion, so can acknowledge that others do as well. Respect is earned usually by showing it.
Mind you I do have a personal dislike for those that feel that they need to attempt to shove their beleifs down my throat. JBT claims he does things in the name of god... hhmm this is not the god that I was given to understand. If he is acting in the name of his diety it would follow that his god is: rude, underhanded and vindictive. If you do not beleive as he does then you are wrong (gamers), 'ware the crusades.
On the other hand those like Pandralisk (spelling) that claim to have knowlege of things beyond that of mortals. He speaks from confusion and hate that there is no god/higher power... (I fear that I might have gone that path myself and am glad I did not). He however does offer respect, all others are wrong. Neither of these types offer anything outside themselves. Demanding that others come to them and accept what they beleive. This is NOT worthy of respect.
...... The law is said to be blind and judge only on actions and facts, this is an ideal worthy of respect. Jack tries to twist those ideals by shoving off the blame of his actions on anothers (his religion). I find that strongly distasteful..
My lack of KNOWING is more honest then his twisted faith.
He will need to stand before the florida bar and answer for his actions and If there is a god that judges then he will judged in that domain as well. I do not share much pity for him.
He deserves to be censured (he has admitted this) and should I think be disbarred. This will give him time to face his mistakes, live out his regrets and maybe to make things right with his god and the people around him.
As must the Bar. As much as I’m sure they’d like, merely slapping JT for “being an ass” is only going to lead credence to the “they’re out to get me” line he’s stringing. So they can only nail him for times that he’s violated actual Bar rules. Things that are already in the complaints, like disobeying judge’s order, questioning judges’ ethics and integrity within legal documents, etc.
Believe me, I fully appreciate that the Bar has restrictions on how and why it can discipline its members (otherwise it becomes something worse than just a mouthpiece). It is my belief however that Jack's continually questionable legal proceedings and actions more than constitute enough to have him disbarred. Someone mentioned that he went and talked to plaintiffs (?) without their legal council present. If true, that's about as unethical as can exist, I believe. And the Bar has the duty IIRC to maintain a basic standard of ethics within their profession.
Lighten up! Dear god, where did he attack you so badly in there? Can you honestly not take anything? It's amazing that when Thompson uses obviosly disengenuine threats as proof in cases, people go nuts and think he's ridiculous. Scuzz pokes a little fun of you (and purposefully makes himself look dumb) and you throw you tattling on Dennis. Honestly, get a funny bone and grow up. The both of you, really.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6183343.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestne...
Headline:
Sparks fly at BBFC Manhunt 2 appeal
Rockstar Games argues that the game should never have been banned in the UK, but ratings body insists the line must be drawn somewhere.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
As for his logic, he's been told not to threaten the posters at this site, he was even told not to come back through a cease and desist AND a ban, and he still persists. If he has it in his head that what he's doing is right, then his behavior will not change.
Negative Ghost Rider
It's actually from the always funny Billy Madison.
the actual "line" is: Eric drinks his own pee.
Written on a chalk board by Billy as a response to Eric's complex mathmatic formula during a compitition.
This is has been a running thing for a while now, since GP has gained more notoriety, and JT had been allowed back for a toturous time - the discussion level has gone way, way down. I usually avoid the JT threads for that reason - long time GPers have been down this road before, we know that JT has nothing of substance to offer, and his tune hasn't budged.
I can only hope he's disbarred, because no matter what Christian Persecution Complex he suffers from, and no matter how he tries to spin it, being disbarred will stymie JT in no small way. But, I doubt. He'll wriggle out this somehow.
Anyway, people who want a blow-by-blow probably won't be happy, if a bunch of lawyers set aside a week for something - it will take the FULL goddamn week. I wouldn't expect this case to close this year. As GP said, the Judge has until Dec. 21st, and that's far to close to consumer-mas for us to realistically expect that time-table to hold, especially with JT's penchant for "Emergency Extensions," or "Emergency Relief," or whatever.
Are there any documents yet that would be publicly accessible? I like to see what's going on, and depending on how slow/fast the day of work is, it sometimes is even enjoyable to read them. At the least it's better than face time while the higher ups decide on the next project to start.
I don't have anything handy at the moment, sorry.
I was just thinking, if JT does get disbarred Dennis might have to slap him with a restraining order. I say this because it seems that JT is either obsessed or absolutely in love with Dennis (ewww... Read JT's wiki quote page; nearly half of them are about Dennis. Scary.) Something like his disbarrment might push him over the edge, and anyone who has seen Fatal Attraction knows what that leads to.
No need to apologize, just knowing they're not available yet helps, so thanks for the help. Denis should probably look into the restraining order too, Thompson already shows traits related to being crazy regardless of what his past psych evaluation said and it's always better to be safe then sorry.
@ masaokun
I don't believe more than 2-3 people here make and actual connection between JT and real Christianity and the few who do are ignorable and generally troll-like if no full fledged trolls. I myself was born and raised in a "Christian" family, but unfortunately my parents were the sort of fanatics that say one thing and do another in the name of their religion. Now that I am older and wiser I know the difference and respect true Christians while disrespecting the fanatics, and this goes for all religions since you can find crazies anywhere you look. The only reason why we have these JT's and whatnot in America is because Christianity is the main religion here and when you have the same % of crazies but a bigger population you're bound to have more of them get exposed.
However, that's not going to help him in any way if he loses all ability to wield a license to practice law as if it's a weapon. And, should he be permanently disbarred, despite any response Jacky Boy makes, even a vile excuse for a human being (such as he) cannot stop such a day from being a great one for justice.
As for the likelihood of the aforementioned taking place, I remain positive that his tactics will be for not.
So, if he gets disbarred, for Jack Thompson Day, we can quote our favourite cases, while trying to set of awesome pyrotechnics in our FPS of choice.
Oh, go cry me a river! :P
I would prefer it if he were to receive a permanent disbarment. One can dream.
That would presuppose he had some kind of understanding of the law.
Also, I'd like to note that most court cases are settled through agreements. If there was an offer on the table, I think it's a virtual certainty that Thompson and the Bar will reach an agreement. I doubt he's going to get permanently disbarred, despite my hopes.
Is there an online repository of all of Thompson's filings? I'd be interested in reading them myself, and I don't like having to rely on GP posting them in the news posts.
I've never understood this. Being persecuted for being Christian in America, especially the south, is like being persecuted for being gay in San Francisco or being persecuted for being a geek at MIT.
Anyways, here's to the day we get trolled by "jack thompson, ex-attornery."
I do not beleive Mr. Thompson will be disbarred, and I beleive that no matter the punishment it will be a "major win" over the bar and the industry.
(Kinda like Ralphie's father's Major Award in that Christmas Story movie)
#1 is a bag of marshmallows, to roast over the burning remains of Wacky Jacky's career.
#2 is a prediction: once the disbarment hits, Jacky will be on here soon afterwards, claiming that either
a) they are playing right into his hands, and they don't know how good this is for him,
b) the kid gloves are now off, as he is no longer bound by their code of conduct anymore (not that he followed it in the first place), or
c) he will be attempting to appeal or bring up charges against the Bar for their "unconstitutional actions" or some such, and has retained the services of some mom&pop law firm to sue R* for some random thing to lift his spirits
Bets on which is most likely? Or, for more entertainment value, add your own!
That all depends on how threatened JT feels. I'd bet good money he plans to use every loophole in the book to try to worm his way out of this, and when he's finally exhausted all other possibilities, he'll take what the Bar has to offer. My hope is that the Bar doesn't put up with it, and permanently disbars him.
I'm not going to try to call this ATM though, it's still way too early to predict anything.
And that is precisely what he is.
ROFL
1 A Christmas Story reference = 1 intertubes. You win!
@ Apokalypse:
Seriously, I think it's going to be all three of the above, if he gets disbarred. Just one of those things, y'know?
There's all kinds of different things to think about with this, though, that makes it really difficult to predict the outcome:
- Professional organizations really don't like to kick members out if they can simply discipline them,
- How the Bar will react to the swamps of filings Jack's made,
- How Jack will conduct himself in court,
- How Jack will conduct himself outside of court with respect to the trial,
- Whether or not Jack has some legal loophole up his sleeve,
Just to name a few. An awful lot of variables in this one.
That is a strong possibility. It would not surprise me if that is the case. This is probably a lot deeper than a couple of video game cases. He does have a medical malpractice job. There may be several complaints streaming from that as well.
That would be a Pastafarian.
During the gay marriage debate, he said something like "We love you" as his supposedly placating remark to the opposition. My first thought:
Isn't that what family abusers do? Tell their victims (even in mental and verbal abuse situations) they are abusive because they love their victims? Even physical and sexual abusers tell their victims that they love them and are doing the abuse because they love them.
And that comment during the VGXPO debate where he makes the smart remark (not a compliment) about thinking it was supposedly a "friendly debate"? How many friends do you claim are on drugs? Or refer to with negative terms ("morons" being one of many)? Or try to create negative stereotypes about because you don't like something that your "friend" likes?
Classic acts of an abuser if ever there was one. And he calls THAT the act of a follower of a "good" religion of ANY kind?
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
@ApokalypseNow
Hey, I'll bring the chocolate and ghram crackers...mmmm, s'mores of ruination.
I think I will go with:
"Ask Again Later"
Anyway, I expect to see this case dismissed or at least end with Jack still able to call himself a lawyer. I also expect to see him on here later celebrating and mocking us. In situations like this I am definitely a "glass is half empty" kind of guy, sorry.
I just don't see him losing his license for good, regardless of how appropriate it would be...
I'd say "no" to "will he be?" but probable that he'll only be suspended, if anything.
Does he DESERVE to be disbarred? Certainly. Dishonorable and unethical to the core is John Bruce. But he isn't the first such lawyer to be allowed to continue to practice. He also isn't the first to be disbarred either.
And, in the end, even if he is, his activism won't end. He'll just have another "conspiracy theory" to throw around as part of his activism.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
...wait... so /that's/ why he says he has way more victories than losses...
The Bar's pursuit of him is in no way motivated by his activism. It is motivated by the nature of his activism. He has ignored and broken rules, insulted people, lied and brought false allegations against people. He has attempted to use the law as a crude club, and whenever he fails he proceeds to hurl more insults and allegations. These are what have motivated this trial, but for some reason he is absolutely blind to any wrongdoing on his part. Apparently, as long as it is the Lord's work, then the ends justify the means according to him.
Rules are rules, the law is the law, your beliefs do not affect them. Should extremist Islamic terrorists be arrested, or let to go about their business because that would that be motivated by their religious activism? Should Warren Jeffs have been allowed to continue to arrange sex between minors and older men because of his religion? You are free to believe and act in any way you wish, up until you break laws or rules. That's where Jack Thompson falls down. Just because he believes he is right, that none of the rules apply to him.
It will be a victory if he is not disbarred. If he is disbarred, it will be bad news for the Floriqa ( ;) ) bar and he will become the "martyr" he has always wanted to be.
For being a Christian, he sure doesn't act like one. Vengeful, spiteful, hateful little man. Jesus would be ashamed to have him as a follower...
"Find out all this and more in the next exciting episode of DRAGON BALL ZEEEEEEE!!!"
Sorry. It just had to be done. Yes, i am a gigantic nerd. XD
Ruination s'mores, eh? I'm down.
"Anyways, here’s to the day we get trolled by “jack thompson, ex-attornery.”
ex-attornery == ornery ex-attorney? :D
Sounds about right!
It proves yet again that Thompson slept through law class.
By becoming licensed, he agrees to abide by the rules of conduct attached to that license. If he want to run his mouth off, he's allowed, but he's not allowed to keep his bar license at the same time. These complaints are not to "shut him up", but to "shut him up in his capacity as a licensed Bar member".
Tear up your bar license, and these lawsuits/disciplinary hearings will disappear. Well, until you commit slander or libel... but that's another matter...
@ApokalypseNow
The beer! WHY has no one mentioned beer?! I'll bring!
I don't want to, but I am obliged by internet law....
Is his power level over...*snicker* 9000?
Jack will most likely turn the charm on full force, act like a decent human being long enough to survive, and get to keep his license. Then he'll come back here with a new IP and scream "Another victory against the video game industry and your Censor in Chief! Hooah!" or something to that effect.
Don't hold your breath for a win on our behalf.
Nah, it's 0.001.
There is a possibility on that as well. If Judge Jordan had dropped the hammer on that one, then it would be one more case in the docket that Mr. Thompson would have to play off. By letting it go, and letting it go in the manner that Judge Jordan did, he effectively exonerated himself from any 'bias' he might have against Mr. Thompson, and, at the same time, prevented one more legal case fro Mr. Thompson to ride on before he had to face the Bar. The Judge, to my understanding, was furious at first, but perhaps realized that everything Mr. Thompson does will come to light during the meeting with the Bar. So, why go at him head on, when you can hit him from the side with his own steaming pile bad conduct.
He'll pull some crap, and it will get dismissed quickly and the slippery slope to oblivion for his career will be one entertaining struggle to watch.
Bye jack, I wish I could say its been a good fight but youve alienated too many people with yuor hatred for this to be anything more than justice.
I'm also willing to wager that, if JT walks away from this with his license intact, he won't be completely in the clear. The collective crosshairs of the FL law community may well be set upon him, and if he doesn't clean up his act in the future he may be dragged in front of the disciplinary board a second time, and the second time around they'll likely be much less forgiving.
Not only has that already stopped happening on Fox (as i personally noted in his last two appearances on the network) but i doubt he'll get much success with what he's doing without his lisence.
I mean, come on, who takes the word of a lawyer that is no longer a lawyer? (Besides the attorneys of Boston Legal, lol)
@ Quad9damage
The only reason he got off for that is because of this very trial. I wouldn't be surprised if that little stunt got mentioned in the laundry list of other violations he's committed. And considering Judge Jordan oversaw that case as well as this one, I have a feeling he's going to mete out the harshest punishment possbile, as he's clearly shown that he is unwilling to put up with JT's crap no matter how charming JT is.
And to to those who say he'll be an even bigger threat once he's disbarred, why? How will that make him any more effective (or ineffective) than he was before? Like someone here once said, a disbarred lawyer is equivalent to a defrocked priest. No one, especially the media, will go near him after this, and they were already starting to sour on him after V-Tech.
The only thing he could do after being disbarred would be to start a movement or a cult of some kind like Jim Jones, Fred Phelps or David Koresh, but I don't see that because who would follow him? He doesn't really have the kind of seductive charisma that Jones or Koresh had. Also, his ego's just too big and everything else I've observed of his behavior suggests to me that he fancies himself more of a lone wolf type, preferring to act on his own rather than have any allies or followers around him as he probably believes they would just weigh him down.
I really am hoping he does get disbarred, because then it would be both an eye-opener and a valuable lesson to his son about what being an asshole will get you.
I didn't mention it mostly because I'm trying to figure out which beer goes best with both s'mores and schadenfreude.
Guinness goes surprisingly well with chocolate, so the s'mores part is covered, and I imagine it'd be a good compliment to taking pleasure in the misfortune of others... then again, for the latter part, I was thinking the hops in an India Pale Ale would be appropriate, but would not mesh so well with the chocolate. Suggestions?
Stick with the black stuff. I'm a big Guinness fan.
It's like freakin' Christmas came early this year (here's to hoping I don't get coal in my stocking)
If it comes to that, just have a barbecue with the contents of your stocking.
yes, nothing soothes the burning ache of a loss like tasty, tasty barbequed ribs.
A deceitful trick; an underhanded act.
Remarks intended to deceive; deceit. Often used in the plural)
He used his son to purchase bioshock to find out if the games retailers would sell it to him (they did because JT was stood there watching) and he claimed on the news that his son said that it was terrible at church etc because they were waiting to go and play halo
Does anyone see a Jack Thompson junior emerging here?!
but on that note, if he has been dragging his son into his own brand of legal stupidity, doesn't that mean that the lad is also held accountable for what his jackhole father did?
anyways, what are the chances that JT Junior will take on his fathers mantle and become the "crusader" for the current generation? that is of course until his fellow schoolkids beat him to near death because of what he is doing, even though most bullies I know don't even play games (they are usually too busy smoking something)
In closing JT is going down, but he isn't out, he'll be back and slightly more whipped, hopefully the church wil slap something on him as well which will say he can't use our religion as an argument!
Thompson DOES sorta seem to be acting like your typical cliche action movie/anime villian in some respects.
I can just picture a sort of scene where he 'passes on the will to fight' or some sort of crap like that.
Hopefully the Bar has had enough of him and are ready to, in the words of Eric Cartman, break his balls.
BWAHAHA! Of course he's gonna make an ass of himself. HE'S JACK! He'll start out civil and polite, but as soon as he's backed into a corner, he's going to start making absurd statements about his faith or his TV appearances.
I can see the anime sequence now:
Jack Jr. Stands over the tattered remainds of Jack Sr.'s long and glorious legal career. Tears careening down his face in anime-waterfall fashion, he vows to avenge his father.
*cue workout montage*
Jack Jr. stands outsdie of Best Buy, proclaiming that he will defeat the monstrosity...this will take approximately 20-40 minutes, or five episodes, whichever is shorter. Then, he'll pull back into a very cool looking martial arts stance, and should something incomprehensible (chinese, Lao, Korean, take your pick), and a flurry of legal documents will fly from his hands...all bouncing off of the walls of the evil blue box.
*cue sad music*
Defeated, Jack Jr. will go on to realize the error of his ways, but, because of the shame associated with his actions, he travels the lands as a free-lance attorney righting wrongs, and moving on before he becomes comfortable.
*cue Bon Jovi's "Wanted dead or alive"* as he walks off into the sunset, legal attache in hand.
Dennis, is that update supposed to read 'the entire week has been set aside FROM this matter" or "the entire week has been set aside FOR this matter"?
Are they spending the entire week on nothing but this, or not touching this until the end of the week?
GP: Doh! fast updates make for sloppy typing on occasion. My apologies.
So we won't even know til almost Christmas the decision anyway, if then.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
This is really no different than any business fire a person for ethics violations. Businesses don't want to be associated with known violators of ethics just because they wouldn't be able to support themselves or their families.
I know he was affiliated with one family/christian/media group, but they asked him to withdraw a while back. He's quite upset with them now, from memory.
And there's a few people on the game general tack (Vaz, Lee et al), but is there anyone out there who specifically gives vocal support to Thompson's activities?
Step 1 -- Get offered a deal. Scoff at it. Throw insults back at those who offer it.
Step 2 -- Sue everybody in a wild, thrashing attempt to get your own trial thrown out and fail miserably at every step of the way.
Step 3 -- Realize you're up shit creek and claim you're ready to take the deal.
Hey, Jack...the world doesn't work like that. You tried to sic the courts on those who are in charge of your fate and it didn't work. I don't think they're going to be in a deal-making mood. When they throw the book at you you should really hope it's a law book. Whatever you've been reading all this time doesn't seem to have the right information in it.
Though it is my personal opinion, that any comments he does make, should be forwarded to the Florida Bar, especially if they are of the type he loves to normally make ("Oh, I've already won") and such. Along with the fact that he has been illegally ban evading several times to make comments like that.
Of course, that's only if he does actually comment.
Cheers mate! *takes a long drink of whiskey*
"Disbarment is an extreme step that denies someone their livelihood"
His wife is a lawyer. After a long career in medical lawsuits which I'm sure has been very kind to him financially, it's not like him losing his license to practice law is going to put his family on the bread line.
It's only right that he should lose his licence. Let's say I work for a delivery company. If I drive recklessly in the delivery van, breaking speed limits, running red lights and overtaking dangerously (all after a couple of beers), I can't ask them to not take away my drivers license just because it's my livelihood.
Your license to perform ANY job or activity is given with certain expectations. A drivers license is given with the expectation that you will obey the rules of the road and drive carefully. A license to dispense pharmaceuticals or practice medicine is given with the expectation that you will do so responsibly and for the good of others. A license to practice law comes with the expectation that you will abide by the rules and regulations of the Bar. Failure to do so can, and in this case I sincerely hope will, end with the revocation of that license.
As he will see it, the game industry (and by association Dennis, the ECA, Take Two, the judges involved, etc.) campaigned against him and caused him to lose his licence. I can't quite see him quietly accepting this. (Of course he'd be wrong as it's his own actions in cases against the game industry that are behind this, but that really doesn't matter, right?) The gaming industry might be off the hook, but GP certainly won't.
If he wins and gets to continue practicing law (god knows he needs the practice (I'll be here all week (try the potato salad))) then, well. "Here's Johnny! See, kiddies, I can't be silenced! I was right all along! Hooah!" Then we'll get to see him going against everyone who was involved in the case against.
Jack's a jerk and this whole thing is because of his behaviour and his inability to do his job professionally. It is meant to be the slap in the face that causes him to realise the errors he has been making over and over again. It's nothing to do with violent games; the gaming industry is the victim in Thompson's crimes against law. The saddest thing is that he won't see it as that.
Very nice example.
Pass the marshmellows please and keep the Guiness comin!
Moving on...
Thank you very much for the clarification. I'm glad they're focusing on it, though I am sorry for the waste of Floridian tax dollars and man hours.
@ Dave:
"Smart money goes on Thompson making it through this one intact. Disbarment is an extreme step that denies someone their livelihood; the question before the court is whether his actions warrant that sort of response."
You're correct in your assessment of the question before the court. I just happen to think the answer is a resounding "yes!"
"These games make your children want to kill!" He'd scream.
"Put on some pants!" The people would reply.
Then he'd go inside and eat Cheetoes and watch all the video game commercials that are on for Christmas.
Ah that's a nice thing to think about. (Except for Jacko in his boxer's)
True, which is why I voted for "likely to receive a temp suspension". I can't see them disbarring him for life.
However, just because it's his livelihood should not impact their decision. He agreed to those rules when he took the Bar exam and paid for his license. Whether he wants to or not, his license to practise hinges on whether he obeys those rules...
I like the example given above about the delivery guy or the pharmacist. But in both those cases, you'd be more likely to see a temp suspension than a perma-ban, unless it was really serious like he was doing something criminal.
JT hasn't done anything outrageously criminal yet, so so far he's only violated Bar rules, and so he's likely just to get a temporary smackdown...
Wonder if a week will be long enough to wend though his BS. He should be flattered, he is getting the kind of time and attention usually reserved for a high scale murder.
The thing that gets me is that he is standing before the State and Bar and still claiming that "they are out to get me". Wonder when his next psych eval will be? Wonder if he will somehow pass yet agan. Will his faux religion pull him though? Stay tuned to this channel for more.
Thank you for recognizing my intentional portmanteau, which was totally not incompetence on my part. Really!
360 gamers, Pc gamers, even PS3 fans have actually decided to work with each other for a common goal (the removal of JT) albeit we have to part in it professionally, however JT's ethical and moral messup is something we all agree about, which is just beautiful!
However as Kreia once said: "to be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best" so I am going to savour this moment while it lasts, no pointless bashing of the other consoles etc, proper moral debate and the like, something which we tend not to show much, it is amazing how we can actually prove a point against him in this very fact, we are, when we are agreed upon something, a very peaceful people, so shouldn't we let Jack stay? for the longer we hate him, the less time we spend hating each other!
However, one modicum of concern- what if another critic like Jack comes around, and the new guy makes sense?!?
Thought popped into my head while I was reading this. Allot of folks have roundly decried Jack for screaming to the heavens that he's being persecuted for his faith. (And frankly, generally speaking, because he's horribly behaved.) Doesn't christianity generally make a fairly big deal of the themes of forgiveness and redemption?
Speaking as a borderline aetheist, it's not difficult to figure out that Jack doesn't exactly live up to his tenants. I don't know hardly anything about the bible - but it seems to me that if Christ conducted his business jack-style he'd have been weaving amongst the sinners, insulting them and just being generally belligerant.
What I'm trying to say is try not to let Jack's flaunting his christianity bother you - it's obvious even to a heathen such as myself that he doesn't represent what the church claims to teach.
The thing is, it isn't the concerns that were the problem, they can be addressed, it was the attitude, as Bananrama once said, It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it, and anyone trying to 'do it' like Thompson is merely going to be headed for a fall.
The flaw with this, I think, is that you can't have someone both 'sound like Jack' and 'make sense.' JT had theories that the entire gaming industry was out to destroy his career, games turn normal people into crazed killers, guy-on-guy kissing is the equivalent of gay sex, and Sony authorizes violent games for the Playstation in order to erode US values as a sort of Pearl Harbor 2. Someone spouting those same theories would look as crazy as JT; someone forming more eloquent and well-reasoned arguments would not really be 'like JT.'
On the topic of his Disbarment, I don't know which way it's going to go. I want him to be disbarred permanently, so he will shut up and become permanently discredited (for TV purposes). I know that he is intelligent enough that he will try to find a way out, but the deck is stacked against him. I can see in all likely hold that he will appeal the dicision all the way up the ladder until the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court has to shout, "Your disbarment is upheld/ Get out of my court room, NOW!"
I still want to make a custom T-SHirt that has Jack's smug face in silhouette with a big score board over top of it case by case. The final score would read, "Florida Bar: 4 Jack Thompson: 0" I think I need to update the board though, I think it's out of date.
In the end though, JT's cause is forever overshadowed by his stupidity. Regardless of his methods and rants and ravings, JT's cause has always been clear. He wants 10 year olds to not be able to buy and play Grand Theft Auto. When you put it like that and think about the fact that JT has a son, his position is more understandable. But his position will never be on Gamer's minds because he goes about it the wrong way and clouds it up with anti-Gamer.....Crap.
It really kills me that a person as educated as JT can still make the logical mistake of creating and believing a stereotype, of isolating a select few gamers and imposing their image upon all of us and doing the same with games. GTA, Manhunt, Bully, etc are not the best games in the world. They are only important to us because JT singles them out and says, "These represent all games."
That's all I got. -Lanodantheon, Proud Nonviolent Pixalante (and Film Student)
'We are the society for Geek Dominion of the Earth, soon, all your bases will belong to us.'
John Bruce is more like the Pharasees of the New Testament. He is nothing like Christ.
The Pharasees were more likely to stone a sinner than help them change. The insulted and belittled anyone who did not follow their strict interpretation of the Mosaic Law. They made false accusations of Christ and his followers everytime they saw them gaining ground.
Christ on the otherhand, welcomed and taught people of all stauts the correct path. He sat and ate with sinners and Pharasees. He never insulted people, but called them out on their own bigotry. He loved all.
Take your pick of whom John Brucce is more like.
Suppose that the delivery guy or pharmacist in question had a history of poor performance on those lines, as well as a confrontational attitude with the bodies governing the licensing. Suddenly this new series of incidents come up. If you take into account the history of the driver/pharmacist in question, does that change the way you rule on the case?
I am a christian / buddhist by the way just to eliminate myself from any scrutiny
anyways, I was going to say, if this bloke has continuously claimed that he has been working in god's name etc, how come any of our churches haven't slapped him with a pope stick yet?
I mean if there was an islamic version of this guy he would have had the qur'an shoved so far up his but he would be farting phrases like "mashalla" for the rest of radamanadaman or whatever it is called
so how come our christian church, which values our teachings so highly when it comes to warfare and the like have been so silent when they have been openly attacked and used as an object for a clear heathen to get himself up on?
They were perfectly happy to get on their high horse when that PS3 game featured a shootout in manchester cathedral!
I hate being so anal about this, but it is kind of offensive for a christian gamer like myself to be left in the dark by my own church (whichever one it is I aren't actually certain yet, I just like the values and Jesus, pretty much the most of the old testament, but I can't figure which particular branch of the church is for me!)
anyways, lets hope that the church does have a say in this whole issue!
As I understand it there are some "rules" involved and degrees of sin. The Bible flat out states that "all men have sinned and falled short of the glory of God". Fair enough.
Whoever shall beleive and ask for forgiveness will pretty much get it, part of the package. However there seem to be a few sins that are bigger than most, and require going to a form of confession and possibly serving some sort of penance. One of those that comes to mind is Using the name of the Lord God in vain. JBT has done this repeatedly and shoved it down the throats of any that he could. Never once has he thought he might be wrong. so why ask to be forgiven for his trepass.
I do not think that the god of the new testament (compared to the Old) is going to smite him though.
and all through the board.
The loyal GPers
all cheered in accord.
Jack Thompson was sitting
sweat soaked in his chair.
Teeth gritting and grinding
shown yellow and bare.
I booted my X-Box
and popped in a game.
Compaired to this hearing
Even Halo is lame.
So back to my keyboard
Sat down with a thump
I hope they parbroil
this posturing hump.
I check for new updates
will he be dissbarred?
"Make it so!" I shout out.
In a half assed Picard.
So I cross my fingers
and pray just like you.
and keep looking for proof
that wishes come true.
"JT hasn’t done anything outrageously criminal yet, so so far he’s only violated Bar rules, and so he’s likely just to get a temporary smackdown…"
It may not be criminal, but accusing a judge of distributing pornography to children would be a serious issue, as would accusing a Judge and another lawyer of conspiring to fix cases. There is also his contacting of plaintiffs directly and not via their attorneys. His crap about games non-withstanding, these are issues which I imagine would be seen as serious breaches of Bar rules.
I suppose that with a whole week Jack can slime his way out of it, but only time will tell.
But in the end I think Florida will puss out and only give him some disciplinary time off.
His crap about games non-withstanding, these are issues which I imagine would be seen as serious breaches of Bar rules.
Serious, yes. Worthy of a disbarment? Probably not. Remember they initially offered (supposedly) a 90-day suspension. I'm willing to bet that his vitriolic responses will mean that they'll ask for more now, but I think it's clear that even the Bar didn't think that full disbarment was warranted.
So I'm guessing a year's suspension, tops.
Suppose that the delivery guy or pharmacist in question had a history of poor performance on those lines, as well as a confrontational attitude with the bodies governing the licensing. Suddenly this new series of incidents come up. If you take into account the history of the driver/pharmacist in question, does that change the way you rule on the case?
But if he's never been suspended before, ever, would you have any justification for a full disbarment? He's received one, total one, fine, in the past, for violating bar rules. If they want to be fair, they'd have to follow precedent, and treat him no differently than others who have violated Bar rules more than once. I'm willing to bet there are quite a few lawyers out there who have been slapped around numerous times by the Bar before actually getting fully disbarred...
If he can even claim they even happened.
This might be the ultimate example of "What does not kill you makes you stronger" (my take on that has been more; What does not kill you tends to hurt alot).
/extreme sarcasm!;)
(note: If anyone takes this seriously....oooohh)
if he does not get disbarred methinks t’will be worse. Not only can he continue to pander himself as an “expert” while suspended, but he will be able to point at the hearing and claim he “Won”
Unfortunately, yeah, I can see this happening. On the other hand, when he's back and breaking the rules again, at that point I think they'll have full justification to disbar. "We put you on probation, and you still violated the rules..."
See the thing is, I'm highly skeptical that a 90 day suspension was on the table from Thompson's end. If it was, it was likely a counter off to a year or more suspension. The Florida Bar needs to discipline Jack with something more substantial than a slap on the wrist. Unfortunately for him, his refusal to take his lumps has apparently made them decide to just rid themselves of him if at all possible.
A second document appeared to outline a lawsuit against the State of Florida, which has authority over the Florida Bar. Thompson claims that the Bar’s pursuit of him is motivated by his Christian activism and is designed to silence his outspokenness.
Nope, their pursuit of him is motivated by his unprofessional behavior. Though he's probably partially right about the outspokenness part. Specifically they want him to stop accusing everyone that doesn't bend over for him of corruption.
You're right. Jesus did not behave at all like Jack does. He was kind, compassionate and forgiving. There were instances where he did not hold back from denouncing the Pharisees and perhaps that's how Jack sees his "crusade" against the evils of this world.
But, Jack is not Jesus, he was not sent by God and he is basically a frickin' nutjob.
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This might be the ultimate example of “What does not kill you makes you stronger” (my take on that has been more; What does not kill you tends to hurt alot).
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In Jack's case, it's more like "What does not kill you makes you crazier."
Because the Vatican and big churches know they have better things to do than deal with some psuedo-Christian lawyer. In essence he's really just another bible-thumper activist that preaches on the street. Difference is, this is a bible-thumper that happens to practice law. The crazy lawyer aspect is just a thin shell lightly covering the true background of this man.
What does awaiting moderation mean? Am I being censored like the good JT?
Some posts are flagged automatically by keywords for review. If it's a non-offensive post, it'll probably show up as soon as Dennis sees it in the moderation queue.
To quote Ron White, "You can fix stupid."
Nummerable 1: The ability to speak softly and carry a big stick.
Jack Thompson is humble like the lord Jesox. He seldom belittles opponents because he knows he's great. Like the one Classic American Poem has stated: "A real gansta-ass n****** don't talk much/cuz real gansta ass n****** know they got it." I mean, how many of you even knew that Jack Thompson was an attorney (and you were not)? Probably not any. At all. The big stick is a reference to his enormous penis, which he would be right to flaunt but doesn't because he know penises are the devils appendage.
Nummerable Dos: Jack Thompson is magic
Also like our lord (EVERYBODY'S lord!) Jack Thompson is capable of magic. Don't ask me how or why, all I know is that Master Thompson called for a self-regulated rating system for video games; and then there WERE. I was most certainly not aware of these rating last time I went to best buy to purchase Resident Evil 4 for my brother's 7th birthday. And I guess these ratings have been around since the days when I played Mortal Kombat for my 7th birthday.
It's as if his influence transended time itself
Numberableable 3:1-3:4
Jack Thompson baby blue eyes. One look at them and Judge Jordan won't have the heart to disbar the lovable cherub.
Nummer 10
His abilities 4-9 cannot be expressed in our feeble language. Despite years of evolution and experience, humans are not prepared to describe and appraise these abilities. Oh, and 10 just happens to be is vocab. Dude has the vernacular of a pimp.
I know this is hard to take in, but believe that Jack Thompson is armed to the teeth in that trial, and his innevitable disbarrment will play right into Jack's plan. It will be the worst mistake anyone's ever made EVER.
Say your prayers VR retards. I know Jack Thompson did.
1) He has well over 50 charges levied against him from at least three different cases in Florida alone. And they've apparently added the possibility that he practiced law in Ohio illegally.
2) The 90-day deal was offered to him as an easy way out for the Florida Bar so they wouldn't have to deal with all of these headaches. It works the same way in criminal justice. A guy is guilty of 1st degree murder, but is given the option to plead guilty to lesser charges to avoid messy and costly trials that have no guarantee of victory for the prosecution. Remember, if you get a jury as dumb as the OJ Simpson jury, it doesn't matter how much blood is on your clothes, in your house or in your car because a jury can still say "NOT GUILTY" at the end. Now that Thompson has not only rejected the deal, but flatout insulted those who offered it, they're going to go for the jugular on this one.
I realize a permanent disbarment is probably a rare thing, but Thompson has been a thorn in the side (and a blight upon) the Florida Bar for years. He's managed to weasel out of just about every attempt to punish him for years and now his house of cards is falling down around him.
He is nothing more than a stain on the underpants of a decade and won't even be remembered as much.
The whole reason disbarment exists is to allow the bars to remove problem attourneys so they don't have to continually deal with disciplining them.
"Am I being censored like the good JT?"
Psst, a good way to hide net aliases is to say things real people would actually say.
I mean... I'm not Boffo! I am merely his good friend, Guy Incognito!
But to continue the driving analogy, what if this person has already reccieved multiple informal citations and warnings, as well as being consistently involved in a series of near-accidents. True, some courts might just impose a substantial but not permanent ban, but others would look down at the long term and note that this person has a long and continual habit of hazardous driving and appears to have no hope of reformation. In which case, a preemptive permanent ban (perhaps subject to review in the future) may well be the prudent thing to do.
Looking at Jack's antics, one could clearly argue that he is violating every basic ethical issue that exists in Law. Even the most 'questionable' lawyers that we have seen in court that argue in favor of DRM, or are attempting to defend an already convicted murderer have some basic, professional ethics. They don't rail out that there is some 'conspiracy' against them. They certianly don't sidestep other people's legal council. And as much as we may dislike their tactics, they play within the boundaries of the law and leave it at that.
I suppose the distinction lies in their actions outside of the court. DRM lawyers, for example, are probably not one of the more popular groups out here. But we don't denounce them specifically. We denounce the cause. (I'm using them as a whipping boy simply because I'm vauegly farmilliar, and they're somewhat distasteful yet still decent). They might call those they are suing theves, but they don't get out on the steps outside the courthouse calling everyone who listens to music a bunch of hard core criminals. Nor do they moan out that some secret cabal of hackers was behind any loss they suffer in court.
In short, Jack's tactics have diminished the respect people have for the profession in a serious and grave manner. I'm certian that the Florida Bar knows that their profession is not the most highly admired in the land, but even they recognize that they get some grudging respect from the average person. Jack's antics are brutally stripping away this respect, and the Bar has no choice but to act on this before they all get tarred with the brush that's hitting Jack.
And they’ve apparently added the possibility that he practiced law in Ohio illegally.
Not so much that he practised law in Ohio, but rather they're looking into his behaviour that led to the complaint that he was attempting to practise law.
From Kotaku:
IThe Ohio attorney goes on to detail a laundry list of accusations including seeking publicity in the trial, lying, being disrespectful, being unprofessional and sending improper letters to others involved in the case.
None of which add up to practising law in Ohio, but definitely acting unprofessionally in Ohio...
Something Jack has never learned, but when it comes to a private board its not censorship, its Dennis doing what he wishes with his belonging. Much like if you were to break into someone's house and scream obscenities at their grandmother, when they removed you from the house it wouldn't be censorship.
After your behavior in previous threads, whether you're Jack or not, your posts deserve filtering, along with Back The Jack. Off topic, blatantly trolling posts, looking to start arguments, making false claims about this website...
That's not to say he should ever practice law again: I believe firmly that this is not a moral person we're talking about. He believes himself a Christian, doing the work of a Christian in that he wishes to bring the light of Christianity to everyone. The main problem is that he goes about it in the most unethical way, both as a Christian and as a lawyer. On top of that, he just seems plain loony.
I really hope they disbar him permanently. There's no doubt in my mind he would simply seek out another lawyer to help him sue the Florida Bar and Rockstar again when he is disbarred, but it would certainly put a well-deserved damper on his credibility, and that is the greatest victory we can hope for in this.
I'll say that again: the 'saga' of JT will not end here. The best we can hope for is that he will lose the one thing that allowed him to get spots on TV and make press releases out of court filings. No longer would he be able to fool the uninitiated: they would simply ask the question "why were you disbarred?" His audience of sheep will turn him away, and he will be relegated to teaming up with the other crazies: Common Sense Media, Campaign for a Commerical-Free Childhood, Parent Television Council, uninformed soccer moms and worrysome old-fashioned types who haven't a clue about video games except their own preconceived notions of how dangerous they are.
But eh, I can deal with that, so long as no one important is listening to him anymore. Besides that, does anyone want to call Social Services on him? Using one's child the way he's used his son has got to be unethical and not in the best interests of the child, methinks.
Well he had the chance to be disbarred in August but HE succeeded in having it postponed till now. So really it is his fault for not taking it when it was offered.
Indeed. *remembers Hal Turner fondly*
They're certainly not letting him off without some kind of fine and settlement though, the terms of which may very well be private. Jack will no doubt lie through his teeth about the terms and claim victory, of course, but I do suspect his rhetorical tactics against individual judges will evaporate.
However... to those who keep saying Jack is an "intelligent" man... he's really not. Perhaps well educated, certainly enough so that he could pass the bar, but his actions are not those of an intelligent man. He sees only in black and white, sees no faults within himself, and can not deal with anyone thinking he's wrong.
Not the actions of an intelligent man, but a man who thinks himself intelligent. World of difference.
Jack would not have to enlist another lawyer to continue his crusades if he was to be disbarred. Except for parachuting in as representation whenever violent tragedy affords him an opportunity, he can pretty much keep on doing what he's doing: filing for injunctions, judgments of "public nuisance", and so forth. In fact he'll have more time to do it.
Florida does have a vexatious litigation law that they might be more ready to use against a private citizen, but I doubt for various reasons it'll come into play.
Just remember, if ole Adolf had given up after his imprisonment for the Beer Hall Putsch on Nov 8th-9th in 1923 then he would have gone down in the same fashion.
22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' - Matthew 7:22-23
As for his disbarment? Well, I certainly hope so. I actually don't mind his wacky antics very much. They're amusing. The only beef I have is his using God as an excuse to be a jackass. However, like others here have stated, Jack has an immense talent for being able to weasel out of sticky situations, so my feelings are, he'll probably settle with the bar, maybe a temporary suspension. But I'll be hoping for that permanent disbarment. *crosses fingers*
Other than a felony = automatic disbarment, where are you getting that no felony = no disbarment? After all, in logic, just because P implies Q, it doesn't mean not P implies not Q.
There are a *lot* of little things the Bar is bringing to bear here. Mike Nifong (the Duke Lacrosse team case DA) is a good example a non-felon who was disbarred. Yes, it's a very different case than Jack's, but my only point is no felony need be involved for a disbarment.
I'm saying it'll be a six-month suspension.
As was mentioned, Jack has only had one previous infraction that was disciplined with fine/suspension (In this case, a fine.) Additionally, he has not committed any felony, nor committed or been charged with any slander or libel; he's merely acted like a giant douchebag.
That being said, the things he's done to be a douchebag have been pretty frequent. He basically abused his right to file paperwork, and the paperwork he filed had little to no professional decorum to it; his actions and speech have been unprofessional and inflammatory, and he throws around wild accusations to anyone who disagrees with him or rules against him. He's sounded off at judges and other attorneys, and uses and abuses the media to influence cases, which are both big no-nos.
Last of all, having already refused to accept a 90-day suspension and fighting tooth-and-nail against any disciplinary action entirely, the Bar's not going to give him the punishment they were initially offering him in place of the trial when he's committed additional egregious acts of misconduct.
Therefore, in Samson's brain, six-month suspension.
It is Dennis's site, he can choose what and who he wants to let post here. If he refuses to post your comment, it is not censorship, as you can still post it elsewhere - just as Dennis's selective posting of Jack's garbage is not censoring him, as this is not the only available outlet.
Nummerable 1: The ability to speak softly and carry a big stick.
Jack Thompson is humble like the lord Jesox. He seldom belittles opponents because he knows he’s great. Like the one Classic American Poem has stated: “A real gansta-a** n****** don’t talk much/cuz real gansta a** n****** know they got it.” I mean, how many of you even knew that Jack Thompson was an attorney (and you were not)? Probably not any. At all. The big stick is a reference to the fact that he is hung like horse on a hot day, which he would be right to flaunt but doesn’t because he knows that the netherfinger is the devils appendage.
Nummerable Dos: Jack Thompson is magic
Also like our lord (EVERYBODY’S lord!) Jack Thompson is capable of magic. Don’t ask me how or why, all I know is that Master Thompson called for a self-regulated rating system for video games; and then there WERE. I was most certainly not aware of these rating last time I went to best buy to purchase Resident Evil 4 for my brother’s 7th birthday. And I guess these ratings have been around since the days when I played Mortal Kombat for my 7th birthday.
It’s as if his influence transended time itself
Numberableable 3:1-3:4
Jack Thompson baby blue eyes. One look at them and Judge Jordan won’t have the heart to disbar the lovable cherub.
Nummer 10
His abilities 4-9 cannot be expressed in our feeble language. Despite years of evolution and experience, humans are not prepared to describe and appraise these abilities. Oh, and 10 just happens to be is vocab. Dude has the vernacular of a pimp.
I know this is hard to take in, but believe that Jack Thompson is armed to the teeth in that trial, and his innevitable disbarrment will play right into Jack’s plan. It will be the worst mistake anyone’s ever made EVER.
Say your prayers VR retards. I know Jack Thompson did.
I did not insult you. I did not post anything hurtful or hateful. You have crossed the line with that post, and I seriously hope that Dennis removes it and you from this site.
No, people are simply saying that Dennis has the right to police *his* property any way he wants. Even if you were completely banned from saying anything, it would be ridiculous to say you were censored, since you never had a right to post here in the first place, only a privilege handed out by Dennis and revocable at his sole discretion. Same with every other poster here.
It is not censorship because even if you are prevented on a per-comment or overall basis from posting here, you could still start your own website and post anything you wanted to. Just as I have my own website.
However, your hypocrisy is showing by declaring it alright to censor games (which would prevent them from having a voice at all) while decrying that you are being censored (which isn't happening).
A suspension is a judgement when what has occurred seems out of character and that the individual can change. It's along the lines of the lecture Jack got for filing gay porn, "Don't do it again!" The question that the judges on this case against him have to decide is: will he change his ways and act according to the rules of ethics set out by the bar? If you answer no, then disbarment is the only correct action. If the answer is yes then it's a suspension greater than 90 days since he already flushed that one.
I'm still leaning towards disbarment simply because Jack has made an absolute nuissance of himself! If he'd just shut up and taken his lumps he'd already have his license to practice back.
HAHAHA, you guys need to lighten up. It's obvious that he's being sarcastic. I mean, he's writing in the same inflammatory style as JT but is being far more stupid on purpose. He's just bringing satire to the table, not trolling. Who in the world would seriously quote "damn it feels good to be a ganster?"
Regardless of if he gets a full suspension or not, this event is going to be crushing to his efforts. Firstly, it gives an industry that already has a grudge against that guy more ammo to use against him. Regardless of how this comes out, anytime the industry wants to damage thompsons crediblitly, all they need to do is say "This is a man who was tried by the florida bar for ethics violations. He's the last person to be making moral judments." BAM! Credibility destroyed!
If the industry was smart, they could use this event to end thompsons media appearances by threating to sue anyone who puts him on if they dont mention he was tried by the bar as a matter of full disclosure. Yes, it would be a hard case, but the threat of it would force them to either make the statement or not have thompson on at all.
Either way, this is a bad thing for thompsons future. He'll be on pins and needles from now on if he escapes disbarment here. He screws up just once, and the industry will bury him, as the bar will not put up with his crap anymore.
This could be the event the industry needs to start putting pressure on it's enemies to shut up and do there research. But thats just my theory on it anyway.
I'm very sorry for the assertion that he had anything shoved anywhere up your person. Even if you were unfortunate enough to suffer such a condition, it is nothing to make fun of. It is with a heavy heart and tear-filled eyes and a partially inebriated brain that I express such grief. It hurts me in a way that is emotion-related to think that I have sullied what could of been friendship.
Furthermore, to the allegation that I'm a troll. Yes, it is true. I suffer ugly, ogre like traits and cannot find a local who does not suggest that I live under, or jump off of a bridge. I take my insecurities out by eating livestock during the cold embrace of night and making posts on GP. I habitually latch on to self-important hate-fiends like Jack Thompson. Because I know he doesn't hate because of my appearence, but because he hates everyone.
It's a little like love
Here's hoping we have a case update soon.
In bakoahki's defense, I have been following this whole discussion and you have attacked him (assuming gender. very non PC of me ;) ) directly without provocation.
In his defense again, he and Xveers comments were posted at the same time.
Scuz is just obviously playing around guys....
(assuming gender. very non PC of me).
Everyone on the internet is male, says so right over there on the wall.
Yes, a he.
Reasoning with a full-blown troll does nothing, though, EZK (hope you don't mind abbreviations) -- ignoring and reporting if they cross the line is about all you can do.
There is nothing wrong with kidding around and posting satire, but personal attacks have no place here. That is my biggest problem with Scuzz.
Icehawk... On the internet all girls are men and all children are undercover FBI agents.
Got it right that time. I don't really mind what you call me as long as it's not late for dinner. ;)
I know reasoning is futile, but it is always nice for those being attacked by the trolls to have someone openly on their side.
Oops.. I forgot. I did get the memo on that. Someone should update the wall. (grin)
Unless you are on Xbox live, then everyone is a foul mouthed child.
You get +2 internets.
He's been giving everyone, including the Bar, crap for years. I really think this where they're going to say enough is enough.
I realize reading his medical record out loud was crass of me. And I'm Sorry. I think I'm a very reasonable human being. So long as the word reason's definition is within the my own very narrow-minded view of reason.
I know that bakaohki is hurt by what I said. I realize that my epic IQ of 86 allows me to marshall my words in such a way that a simple insult can feel like 10 bears mauling you simutaneously. I should be more careful using this deadly power. I'm sorry for that loss of self-control.
It was a proverbial "Hulk-out." I'm sure
And at Lovely and Anonymous, I am appalled at any question of earnest intention in supporting Jack Thompson, who is a deacan, a soldier (I think? He says "Hooah") and holds seven consecutive crowns of winter homecoming king.
And yes, I'm talking about two of you. You know who you are.
Back on topic, however. Did I dream it, or wasn't Jackie in front of the bar before in a similar situation? Just because he got away that time doesn't mean he'll get away with it this time.
Didn't you hear? I could very well be Jack Thompson according to some sources
Dennis has been notified... and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this guy sound exactly like Lard from a few days back?
Ah you hit on it I think. Not JBT but Lard. Lard who was full of.... well Lard. Though there is some doubt though. He is not as pushy as Lard (nor was witty).
Oh heck no, he's not that articulate. I can't recall having seen Jack turn-a-phrase quite like that.
case and point
It was a proverbial “Hulk-out.” I’m sure
Um...yea, if Jack's ever referred to comic books, I haven't seen it. I for one, don't think you're him. Besides, it's probably safe to say we won't hear from him until after dinner EST. (Let's face it, he's got more important things to do right now.)
Yeah, don't you miss the days when they gave out law degrees as Cracker Jack prizes?
And I don't normally take joy in other people's suffering, but for him? I'd happily make an exception. ;)
@DavCube:
I LOLed. bra-VO.
(And here's hoping JT's sent TO ANOTHER DIMENSION! :P)
@Black Manta:
"... and they were already starting to sour on him after V-Tech."
I'm still trying to figure out how he trained to kill all those people on Sonic the Hedgehog. (Unless he was playing Shadow the Hedgehog, but that'd mean he was playing Shadow the Hedgehog, and that game sucked from what I hear.)
@lumi:
My apologies, but that reminded me of Family Guy:
Peter: Since when did they change the meaning of 'for' to 'from'?
Brian: Well they sent you a memo but you must've thought it was from you so...... y'know it's just easier to call you stupid.
and re: the 2nd post about 'livelyhood'? Well he's gone out of his way to make everyone else's lives in the gaming industry a living hell, I see no problem in returning the favor. ;)
@Masterofpsi:
PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN :P
@Jabrwock:
"I like the example given above about the delivery guy or the pharmacist. But in both those cases, you’d be more likely to see a temp suspension than a perma-ban, unless it was really serious like he was doing something criminal."
It's like I've always said, I don't think he'd lose his license unless he murdered someone, sadly. (Prove me wrong, Florida Bar, Prove me wrong! (please?))
@Mister Gone:
I think it's safe to say THREAD OVER. CLICK HERE TO CLAIM YOUR ONE (1) FREE INTERNET! :P
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Scuzz McTuzz Says:
November 17th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
No, think about what Lard is saying, it all adds up.
Why else would Jack Thompson mention anyone? Because he’s being promoted by them. Little known fact: Jack Thompson is a vehicle for more promotional deals than NASCAR, and GP is on his hood front and center. Take two for sure has gotten some sweet advertisement via Jack Thompson’s various accusations that T2 distributes porn to children.
As soon as people hear that, they be all like, “Damn, I just GOTTA check this out.” Same with Dennis, the most frequent,”John” to Jack’s, “trick.” Everytime Jack goes on an interview, he mentions GP in such a way that it just HAS to be promotion.
Remember all those memories of Jack Thompson saying, Dennis isn’t a real journalist, that Dennis is a stooge for the video game industry, or saying that Dennis doesn’t publish ALL the stories that Jack gives him…
That gets me hot thinking about it! If i didn’t know better (and believe me, I do!) I’d think, “Not a credible source and liar, eh? I gotta get a handful of GP.” Then GP rakes in the dough from all the hit he gets, which he has admitted several times while swimming in a vault of coins like Scrouge McDuck (mo’ like Scrouge McCauley, amiright?).
So all you Lard haters can keep covering your ears, I’m going to look boldly at the ugly face of Truth that is Lard. I hate GP with all my heart. Don’t worry, my distaste for this site doesn’t stop me from being brave enough to comment on here
GP: LOL, he never mentions GP anywhere that would actually bring extra traffic, such as on his TV appearances…
"
"Hey, I have noticed a great thing here!
360 gamers, Pc gamers, even PS3 fans have actually decided to work with each other for a common goal (the removal of JT) albeit we have to part in it professionally, however JT’s ethical and moral messup is something we all agree about, which is just beautiful!"
Umm... What about Wii owners...
What are we, chopped law liscences?
We get no respect man, NO RESPECT!!!
j/k but I am wondering why you didn't include Wii owners who also want to see JT out.
After all the latest game controversies have involved the Wii to boot.
Manhunt 2 + Wii Zapper anyone?
If he is not fully disbarred, I hope the suspension is no less than 5 years.
I can't say I know the rules when it comes to these types of things though.
You forget that he pasted a picture of Batman over his drivers license and sent it to another attorney.
Ah, but he was not refering to a comic book. He was speaking of his ever wonderous self. Which begs the question. Can he really claim to tell the difference between reality and jackieland?
You mention a very important issue.
Several University studies have discovered that frequent and prolonged exposure to jackieland positiviely correalated with increase agression and social isolation. Now, these effects are still debatable, but the majority of the ADA agree that although the effects have yet to be verified, there's something definitely wrong with jackieland.
I sent as much to Dennis, but the Maestro of this Censortorium has said these findings are irrelevant and yet to be verified. Yet the noble Jack Thompson is using this evidence right now to make his case in defense of his action.
Really, you should all be ashamed of making fun of Jack Thompson; he's clearly suffering
I can come back here at any point to check for updates on the story; there's no reason to force myself to read every acidic post being made.
Later, folks.
Whether or not he determines it to be another conspiracy theory applicable to his arguments is pointless. What it does do is allow persons to point out his removal of his ability to practice law and it strips him of a great deal of credibility. Now I'm not the kind of guy to hope for the demise of people - with the exception of those whom I extremely dislike - but the fact of the matter is I'm hoping for the "extended" suspension of John Bruce's ability to practice law in the state of Florida.
I try. ;p
JT is in the pot and he's getting warmer......pretty soon it'll be all over
(I hope)
Ryan out.
I wish to sincerely apologize for my comment before, jumping the gun and all. I'm sorry for that
Its ok, I forgive, and more imporatantly, I forget.
A person like me used to being persecuted for his beliefs. My beliefs being peresucting everyone else's beliefs
Jesus, if you can't take a joke, do us all a favor and stay gone.
Thanks for that. So the BBFC's reason for punishing the producer is because people might break the law and ignore the rating they'd put on it anyway, which is, at best, a retail problem not a production one, and at worst, nothing whatsoever to do with the BBFC's role. They rate things on what they are, not what might happen to them.
Us
"You're the worst lawyer I've ever heard of."
Jack
"But you have heard of me."
Glad I passed by. Please scroll to the beginning of the article, and note that Scuzz's post to me that is in violation of this site's terms was made BEFORE he started with the self-depreciating humor posts.
Now kindly be quiet.
Well, that's an ill omen. Does that mean we're going to remember the day they almost disbarred Captain Jack Thompson?
No it'll be more like
"Would you like gift wrap for that copy of GTA4? oh it's for your 7 year old?"
At which point Jack's head will asplode.
Notice still again, that your feelings got hurt way after the fact I've been writing with the same grivitas for a while. And my longer more significant post was pending moderation, but submitted way before I knew you existed.
Wait, what are you doing here? I haven't been "silenced" yet.
Someones a jeff Dunham fan
> where are you getting that no felony = no disbarment?
The rather short list of disbarments for ethics charges in general when they don't involve outright swindling of a client.
But I'm actually heartened somewhat by what I've been reading: apparently according to various law organizations, Florida ranks pretty highly how well it follows up complaints, as well following through in applying penalties up to and including disbarment. And with 50 separate allegations, they look loaded for bear.
I'd still say only about a 25% chance of permanent disbarment.
i hate to see anyone lose their jobs or careers and all that, but jack really did bring this on himself.
If the humor was to show that he was joking straight from the beginning, may I remind you of when Jack's videogame proposal that he suddenly said he was "just kidding" about?
I'm tolerating Scuzz's other posts -- but the personal harassment in the two I mentioned are TOS violations, and should be dealt with as such.
Adult pudding? That sounds gross.
Scuzz’s first post relating to you is:
"On a very very VERY serious note: I’m afraid your tests results are in. Apparently you’ve got an inoperable stick shoved high up into a region..."
Which is just a long winded way of saying your a bit stuck up, a view your subsequent behaviour has done nothing to dispel..
Which was an unprovoked attack personally aimed at myself, a violation of this site's TOS.
I don't care how much of a comedian he is; there are rules to follow here, and he has not.
Please get over yourself. You remind me more of our old pal JT than people have been insinuating about McTuzz.
Not one person who claimed god told him to kill should get a pass from an even halfway right-thinking jury (except perhaps on insanity grounds); one would assume that JT is going to get about as far with his claims of religious persecution. It will be interesting to see exactly how far he decides to pursue that line of thinking, and how many tax dollars, in the end, will be spent dealing with it.
Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's?
the Christian faith extolls abiding the laws of man while alive in addition to being a good person.
That is a very interesting position you have for this:
Which to me, seems to be sarcasm:
Note the use of "very very VERY...", where the word is repeated, and then used in all capitol letters, to stress inflection or meaning, the style is very sarcastic in nature, and thus sets the tone for the rest of his statement. Sarcasm is a form of humor, one that is typically used in a mocking manner, but it is not a personal attack directed at you, at least nothing that was intended in seriousness.
Further, the statement was made based upon your previous statements:
Where you made assumptions about the contents of the post Scuzz was referring to previously which was filtered (I've had one inexplicably filtered myself). The tone of your statement was not humorous or made in jest (even Sarcastic jest like Scuzz's), but rather you were already on an offensive stance with him from the start.
Honestly, your initial comment brought on his sarcastic reply. If you are upset at his post, maybe being blatantly offensive in your initial comment would have been a better solution. I would strongly suggest you getting over yourself on this, and letting it drop. Seriously, you are the one stirring the pot here from what I've seen, when the more logical and rational thing to do would be just plain letting it drop. You have to pick your battles and all that. right now, you don't have a very solid platform to work from.
No edit button.
Scuzz is doing the whole humourous post thing, which means that he's going to keep it up. You're not likely to see him delete or edit his own posts, and you're even less likely to see him to turn tail and apologise to you. He either gets banned and the posts are deleted, or he doesn't. Either way it's up to Dennis when/if he gets around to it. The discussion has gone on for long enough for him not to notice it, and arguing back and forth over it is only exacerbating the problem.
Looking at it pragmatically, either you take it on the chin (as far as comedy posts go, they're not bad) and the fate of the posts are left to the, um, fates, or you keep on arguing until your own fate is tied to that of Scuzz. And one extra fate for good luck.
I am now working under the belief that you were born without a sense of humour. I believe this can be treated with large doses of Monty Python...
Especially since he can't.
Precisely.
GP posts being derailed? never!
/sarcasm
wouldn't want to violate the TOC
Jack's not here. We've got a lord of the flies thing going on. With the primary enemy gone we shall soon descend into fights upon ourselves. Madness, madness I say. Ironic that he may have accomplished more with his abscence that he ever did with his presence!
While I want to see him loose is career for his actions....He does have a track record of weaseling out of the hot seat....
However it's intresting to watch as he is running scared now...going to higher courts for help...lawl...
I staged it all! There was no trial. I'm a magical level 47 human mage! Muahahaha!"
Seriously, though.
I'm surprised he hasn't posted anything yet. O.o
My camera was out of batteries. After the tabby jumped out of the cake, they took it. I think its sitting beside an empty bag that reeks of catnip.
He was banned. More specifically, he has *tried* to make posts, even under aliases, and they have been subsequently removed. Dennis seems to no longer be amused by Jack's posting antics, and it appears that a very proactive stance has been taken on Jack's posts.
-DarthCylon
Nah, I've seen him post after the banning with the posts staying up. Unless they were actually from that Back the Jack dude...
He was posting using an IP scrambler or someone else's computer, wasn't he?
I humbly request there be post numbers.
so when i finish reading post 138, i can come back later and continue reading from 139 to keep track of all the stuff being talked about.
So.... did anything exciting happen today, or was this court closed to the media?
Also, I think lately, Jack's been busy in court to really make comments on GP today.
Most of the anti-video game activist groups had long since disavowed any connection or relation with Jack Thompson. It's the media prostrating him around as a Video Game Expert which needs to get slapped around a bit for letting a loon on for ratings.
I don't know what Mr. Thompson is thinking, nor do I know what the members of the Florida Bar are thinking. Would it be nice if he were disbarred? Sure. But I'm not placing any bets. Then again, I'm not much of a gambling man, anyway.
"Ahhh… too many comments, too hard to find where i left off last.
I humbly request there be post numbers."
I usually try to remember it by post-times.
Ahh, thank you much for clearning that up.
I still would like to hear his lame-ass excuse for being disbarred. So.
One can only hope.
And wait.
Like a tiger...