Free Jeff Gerstmann!

November 30, 2007 -
The online gaming community is buzzing today over reports that longtime GameSpot editor Jeff Gerstmann was fired for tagging Eidos' crime game Kane & Lynch with a mediocre review. From Gerstmann's write-up:
While [Kane & Lynch] sounds interesting at first, and has a few bright points, it's weighed down by bad storytelling, a real lack of character development, and a host of gameplay-related issues. The end result is a game that squanders much of its potential and just doesn't come together as well as it probably should have.

Joystiq reports that the GameSpot Forums are bubbling over with posts on the topic, with one thread attracting more than four thousand entries.

GP: If this story is as it now seems - a journalist fired over advertiser pressure - then it won't be taken lightly. Game companies simply can't be allowed to push writers around.

UPDATE: Perhaps there is more to the story. Over at Wired, Susan Arendt has this from an anonymous "insider":
The [Kane & Lynch] ads went up and the Eidos brouhaha was settled over two weeks ago. Jeff got fired yesterday. Furthermore, I'd heard a few people tell that he'd already been skating on thin ice for "unprofessional reviews and review practices." I don't know much about that, though, so I can't say one way or the other.

My gut tells me that he got canned for larger reasons. Maybe the Eidos debacle was part of it -- I don't know. But I sincerely doubt that Eidos made Gamespot fire him. CNET doesn't kowtow to its advertisers, and I've more than once seen the higher-ups turn away big advertising dollars for the sake of the company's integrity. I think the whole thing is likely a combination of factors, the biggest being poor timing

UPDATE 2: Joystiq is reporting that Cnet, which owns GameSpot, has issued a statement on the matter:
GameSpot takes its editorial integrity extremely seriously. For over a decade, Gamespot and the many members of its editorial team have produced thousands of unbiased reviews that have been a valuable resource for the gaming community. At CNET Networks, we stand behind the editorial content that our teams produce on a daily basis.

[As to Gerstmann,] it is CNET Networks' policy not to comment on the status of its employees, current of former.

UPDATE 3: My buddy Duke Ferris over at GameRevolution writes that pressure from Eidos did indeed prove Gerstmann's undoing:
As some of you may have heard, Gamespot has terminated their long-time reviewer Jeff Gerstmann, ostensibly over his Kane & Lynch review, and Eidos subsequently pulling their advertising dollars.

It's impossible for a company as large as C-Net (Gamespot's corporate overlords) to keep such a thing completely quiet, and I have sources that confirm that this is in fact true.

Comments

Isn't Gamespot the one that pulled its original review of Paper Mario 2? I remember some kind of brew-ha-ha over that game's reviews.

This is how the universe works ... Highly visible employee is fired. Agitated, but clueless online community always looking for a reason to "stick it to the man" jumps to the conclusion that the cause is something recent and visible to them. They pillory the former employee's employer. Employer can't comment because that would violate the confidentiality agreement between employer and employee. Clueless online community sees that as admission of guilt and continues to pillory employer building up in furor.

Chances are Jeff Gerstmann had accumulated a number of issues that finally resulted in his termination.

As far as journalistic integrity goes in this industry ... I laugh. All reviews are biased, even the ones where the reviewer actually takes the time to play the game (you think the ESRB are the only ones not playing the games they review?).

As much as I find this issue fairly interesting - I would caution everyone seriously against whipping out the torches. (angry mob metaphor.)

Innocent until proven guilty, remember?
Don't misunderstand me, all I'm trying to say is that the evidence is largely circumstancial (sp?).

Now that I've been devil's advocate, I will admit that if Gamespot doesn't come up with something one heck of allot more convincing then that press release, they WILL be removed from my bookmarks. It's not that I care so much about reviews, come on, you cannot play games for any real length of time and not learn that reviews cannot be taken at face value. I've been applying grains of salt to the ones I read for decades.

HOWEVER, if this in any way true, I'm not particularly interested in supporting a business that would be that spineless.

An interesting note, I was reading on the GameFAQs forums a week or so back about Jeff's Kane and Lynch gamerscore. Someone was poking around, and they found that he had the achievement for finishing the first level, but not much else.

There are a number of possible explanations for this, some which would exonerate the man and others which raise serious issues. Still, I thought I'd put this out here.

@E. Zachary Knight
Yeah....Mort is a bit right though about that "Media" part....this game at least to me was released quietly...there was no outrage....and you are right about the whole Take-Two and Rockstar.

I find it funny if you guys say this is a game where you kill good cops....and yet no one makes a peep.....it's more proof that Rockstar is just the whipping boy of the industry.

Had a thought. Does it strike anyone else as a peculiar coincidence that this is sort of Manhunt2-ish in the sense that the controversy is more interesting then the game?

I always like Jeff's reviews for his ability to callt hings like they were, such as his 8.8 Twilight Princess review. If he was just a bad reviewer, why did they keep him around ten + years and make him senior editor?

I support you Jeff. I have been a fan a long time of your reviews and this is a total shame.

Interesting. This could have a pretty huge effect on Gamespot if it all turns out to be as bad as the rumors say. I'm still hoping to get more info soon.

You're first update, the one from wired, used a message board post on forumopolis.com. A link to the exact 'source' can be found here: http://www.forumopolis.com/showpost.php?p=1869780&postcount=52

It supposedly comes from the art designer of the ad that as of yesterday was blanketing gamespots front page. The person at wired didn't get any special information, they ripped right off a message board. I wouldn't quote it, as nobody actually knows if this person really works at gamespot.

Fired for having a different oppinion to everyone else. This is ridiculous! If anything they should fire the guy who gave R&C a 7.5.

[...] Source >> [...]

@ truth

As I stated above, I'm from that forum. I've known the "source" in question for several years. He doesn't work at Gamespot, and has never claimed to actually work for them. That was made up by Wired, presumably to make it seem like their source was more knowledgable than he is. If anything, it's well-informed hearsay.

Where does it say that it comes from the art designer of the ad? That's not true, and he's never claimed that. PA's newspost falsely indicated he was part of management, which is equally confusing. The amount of internet rumor-mongering going on about that quote is astounding, and I'm hoping it doesn't get twisted so far out of context that it costs him his job. It's certainly a sign of flaws with the blogosphere, and why any news story you see should be taken with a grain of salt.

This is just an example of corporate corruption. Back in the days when the games industry was the "redheaded bastard child" of the computer industry reviews tended to be more-or-less objective. Enter the investors, a few years after the fall of dotcoms, and now (as suspected) reviews are tied to how much money a developer/publisher pays a magazine or media review outlet.

GAMES PAYOLA! We're back to the corrupted style of the music industry.

And actually, the review was true. I played Kane & Lynch, and it was a mediocre game.

Ofcourse Gerstmann could have been fired for a lot of other reasons than his K&L review and I agree that most of the outrage is based on rumours.
But.. the thing that really strikes me as being odd is the fact that CNet issues a statement saying "At CNET Networks, we stand behind the editorial content that our teams produce on a daily basis." while at the same time they pull Jeff Gerstmann's video review of K&L.

Am I the only one who thinks this is contradictory and smelling of a cover-up?

Every PS3 fan knows those gamespot reviewers are biased xbot crooks.

While I have found better places to go for my reviews than Gamespot, I always liked Jeff and his reviews (regardless if I disagreed with them or not). He always was likeable to me.

so if someone there, let's say gave GTA4 a 4 out of 10, would they be fired too?

All of their credibility is officially gone now.

Well, one other worker at GameSpot has just quit.

http://www.gamespot.com/users/TimT/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25...

He won't actually tell us why he quit (the link just has a picture of him with lots of boxes packed up), but I think we can all put two and two together. Co-workers don't just resign if there's nothing underhanded going on.

@Ace of Sevens

I'd have to also agree with that number.. maybe a little too favorable to the game though. LoZ:TP was great, fun and beutiful, but way too easy. Maybe its like the new stuff.

I think we should switch from the numeric scale to a letter based A-F scale, like in school. It's simpler and we are all familiar with it.

@Cyberskull

No one would be familiar with a letter based system, because its odd and consfusing. I mean those letters could stand for other things like A could be awful, B could be bad, C is crap, and D is dumb and F is fantastic.

I mean really what could possibly allow us to know really what those funny little letters mean?

I went to the forums section from gamespot's homepage and saw "The forums are down for maintenance.Please check back later." Way to go gamespot for finding a new way to chickening out like that.

With both their best authors (Greg and Jeff) gone, Gamespot doesn't mean that much to me anymore. Regardless of what Jeff may or may not have done to get himself fired - he was a senior editor. You can safely say that after Greg was gone, Jeff took over and ran most of the show.

Now it's up to Alex, Ryan and others. They are also fine game review authors, but that won't bring back their most prominent staffers. There used to be video game reviews without techno music in them. There used to be game reviews that were lengthy and showed off a great deal of the games, like for example - the one for Divine Divinity. Heck, Jeff's video reviews of the Grand Theft Auto games are some of the greatest on the site.

These times are all but gone, and I have to sadly admit that they have lost my subscription for good.

I don't follow reviews much, or ever. I just read up on the game before buying like features and things like that (Bioshock for instance) or buy because its a sequel to a game I like (Mario Galaxy)

Gamespot's toast, I don't know what TimT did for them, but more people quitting is really not a good sign. Doesn't even matter so much whether he actually did get fired for criticizing Kane & Lynch anymore. About the only thing that could conceivably save them at this point is if Eidos and Gamespot came forward and made a joint public statement that the ad money was not pulled because of of the Kane & Lynch review. These weak public affirmations of "editorial integrity" aren't going to cut it.

If they aren't on the front page of the gaming news-zines, come monday; they're just done. Even if they struggle along for a while, they'll be rebuilding cred for YEARS.l

Another thought on Gamespot's claim: this clearly is related to the Kain & Lynch review, or they would't have pulled/edited it. Not commenting on personnel matters only applies if he were sexually harrassing Carrie, rolling into work an hour late every day, etc. If he were fired for unethical journalism, whether this was taking bribes, reviewing games he hadn't played or whatever, journalistic ethics would demand GameSpot make a public statement. See what happened with Jayson Blair and every other reporter who's been caught making shit up recently. Even if Jeff's firing was clean, a video game journalism site is being run by someone with no knowledge of journalistic ethics. I am not reading GameSpot or any other CNet site, and I used to frequently read GameFAQs, until the current management eithe rmakes this right or is gone.

That guys a faggot anyway. I'm glad to see he got the boot.

@teh

Because you can OBVIOUSLY tell someone's sexual orientation based on the game reviews they write.

On the other hand, I can definitely tell someone is an idiot based on what they wrote.

Here's a hypothetical to you all: imagine if when Jayson Blair got fired, the NYT would only say no comment and went back and edited/removed his previous stories in the online archive. The rest of the media would have had their heads with good reason. If Jeff was fired for some reason having to do with the Kane & Lynch review (and why else would it have been altered and hte video removed) CNET has an ethical duty to inform their readers of this fact.

I guess it just comes down to this: I'll never ever use CNET/Gamespot again or ever buy a game from Edios. Now they can join the scum over at Lucas Arts and SOE on my "do not buy" list.

@teh
Why are you happy that someone you don't like lost his job because of Eidos pressuring Gamespot and CNET?

@the article
I don't care how anyone spins the story, this is a piss-poor way of handling a bad review. Gamespot, CNET, and Eidos should be ashamed of themselves. Sony's reaction to the Lair reviews thinks that this is jacked-up (if you listen to Jim Rome's radio show or watch his TV show, you will understand what I meant in the last scentence).

I will NEVER read Gamespot again, I will never go to any CNET site again, and I will NEVER play any Eidos game again.

@buckeye
If he generaly all around fails at doing his job and his fireing shines a light on coc*gets censored* bribe takeing reviewers


Hells ya!

I’m sure 1UP, IGN, etc want so-called “team players” (IE folk who bow to $$ from publishers).

1UP is one of the more credible games journalism outlets. I would never lump them in with the likes of IGN, or now, apparently, Gamespot.

I just can't believe anybody still reads Gamespot after the Savage Lands review. If you don't remember, a Gamespot reviewer gave The Savage Lands (an online shooter) a low score.

The developers of said took issue with this and did a little digging into their server logs. They found out that the reviewer played the game for less than two hours before writing the review. After this got out, they pulled his review and replaced it with another that was more favorable.

And remember when Atari was caught paying people for high review scores of Driv3r?

I also contributed to GameFAQs, which has a connection with Gamespot (general531 is my contributor name). I will not make another contribution to that site again.

1Up brings too much bias to the table for me to take them seriously.

This is certainly a big deal. Quality journalism and reviews are essential to any art form. If the journalism is not good, games in general will not be respected as much. There needs to be a clear demarcation between highly innovative games like Bioshock and recycled trash like Halo 3.

Gamestop has gone down hill since Kasavin (think that's how you spell his name) left anyway. I used to expect quality when reading a Gamespot review or watching their weekly show. Now IGN, 1up and Gamespy are superior in every way. I don't know what happened. Still not as un-objective as Game Informer (owned by Gamestop) though.

While I'm happy to see Gerstmann go, this definitely puts the final nail in GameSpot's coffin for me.

To GameStop: First Amendment, bitches! Step on that and you'll catch hell from the masses.

Kobra: First of all, it's GameSpot, not GameStop (which is a retailer).

Second, and most importantly, I'd encourage everyone to READ their Constitution once in awhile.

First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Note that it prohibits Congress (which has been interpreted as the governing bodies) from abridging the freedom of speech. This does not apply to private parties.

If I go to my local 7-11 and start shouting curses, they have every right to make me leave, just as I have the right to kick out a drunk friend who's over at my place and making lewd passes at my girlfriend.

First Amendment is not the issue here, but certainly integrity is. There's no law that says GameSpot can't take money for scores, but it definitely would hurt their credibility, which would decrease their readership and thus be very bad overall.

[...] Gamepolitics has another source backing the ‘Eidos not pressuring c|net into the firing’ side of this, even going on to say that Gerstmann was already on thin ice for “unprofessional reviews and review practices.” [...]

A lot of people have mentioned that GameSpot reviews don't play the games very long/much. I dislike the post-release side of their site because the reviews commonly come out weeks after the games. (F.E.A.R. Files, Blacksite Area 51, and Soldier of Fortune: Payback are all recent reviews of games that came out at the beginning of November.) If they aren't playing the games, what are they doing for 3-4 weeks before the review comes out?

Also, GameSpot may have received the video review, but the written (aka, the one that actually matters) review remains on the site.

And by GameSpot reviews, I mean reviewers.

I've seen Jeff Gerstmann quotes in people's signatures all over the gaming corner of the internets. As half-baked as some of GameSpot's reviews are, though, they are not as bad as 1-Up's, whose writing style seems to jump from short experience to short experience without making any connections. They are totally brief and devoid of much detail.

I haven't always agreed with Jeff's reviews (Tony Hawk 3 being a perfect 10, for example) but he was a good guy. If GameSpot did indeed fire him because of his review, their credibility is fucking DEAD.

[...] Finally, some commenters are claiming that Gerstmann wasn’t fired because his Kane & Lynch review was negative in tone, but because he did not actually play the game sufficiently before reviewing it. The supposed evidence, as often happens with such allegations, is Jeff’s Xbox Live Gamercard, which only has six achievements and 90 Gamerscore points for the game (some overstate this claim to say he only got one achievement. Fact check your rumors, people!) Reviewers often start reviews playing early code that might not have achievements unlocked. Gerstmann could have been playing on Microsoft’s private PartnerNet system when reviewing the game, or simply been on a separate system/Gamertag when doing some of the playing. Furthermore, the content of both the text and video reviews seems to clearly indicate deep involvement with the game. We’re waiting to hear back from Gerstmann on this issue directly, but until we do, it’ll take more than a Gamercard to convince us Jeff was anything less than a professional in this matter. [...]

This comment goes towards the first update....

Even if he was on thin Ice it still should not have been part of the reason to get fired, because it's still saying that the advertisements have more power than anything. This still sticks up to high heaven and the more I read about it the more I feel like something just isn't right...

Just like the papers... they're not for the news but for the advertisements.
 
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