
We've heard very little news from this week's
Florida Bar disciplinary trial of anti-game activist Jack Thompson.
Here's what we know:
As expected, the case, which began on Monday, continued all week long. We spoke to a staffer in the court of Judge Dava Tunis this morning who told us the Thompson trial was reconvening at 11AM today, Miami time.
Earlier this week Thompson filed a motion with the U.S. District Court to vacate the Bar case. Judge Adalberto Jordan rejected Thompson's motion yesterday, thus allowing the case to continue.
Thompson himself has sent very little GP's way this week. Although he e-mailed this cryptic message on Wednesday morning, we received no follow-up, despite a couple of requests:
Florida Bar Disbarment Trial of Anti-Violent Video Game Activist Heats Up... Things took quite a turn against the video game industry at Miami attorney Jack Thompson’s lawyer “disciplinary” trial yesterday [Tuesday]. Wonderful details will be disclosed publicly shortly.
I'm still awaiting those "wonderful details." Although my gut tells me that if Thompson had something to brag about, he wouldn't keep it to himself, it's probably best not to indulge in too much speculation at this point.
Regarding the Tivo Alert, we've learned that Thompson will appear on Spike TV's
GameHead program tonight at 1AM Eastern Time. Show host Geoff Keighley was at VGXPO a few weeks back and apparently caught up to Thompson there.
Keighley will also have an interview with Spencer Halpin about his Moral Kombat movie.
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At a guess Jack thinks that his disciplinary trial is him against the Florida Bar/Game industry. So anything marginally in his favor in the course of the trial is something that's "a turn against the video game industry". That or he managed to get some of their complaints thrown out from the stack that's against him.
Either way, I highly doubt it's anything major. IIRC he's used similar phrasing in the past for when he's fired off a letter to some official. Hell, it could be him firing off that motion the article mentions.
As I said, Jack probably thinks this is all their doing. Everything against him is one big conspiracy in his mind.
Yes. About six times. He further inflated his hypocrisy by circumventing the IP ban several times and posting under poorly-thought-out aliases.
Check this link out: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/trueneutral/Blog/JTCtrlAltDel.jpg
"As I scaled the walls to his keep, I heard him say, 'all exactly as I planned.'
When I slew his guards, he cackled, 'exactly according to my plan.'
When I infiltrated his inner sanctum: 'just as I had planned.'
I disarmed him in combat and knocked him to the ground. ' all according to my plan.'
His last words as I ran him through were, 'just as I planned...'
Later I spoke as I stood over his grave: 'You never really got the hang of planning, did you?'"
I doubt those eggs are even laid yet
Bravo, good sir - you win two cookies, with teh whipped cream.
"Don't confuse the issue with the facts." Yep, sounds like a JT mtethod of thinking. Goes along with the, "If you can't fight any evidence, create it." Methodology of Mark Furman.
I do like a good bit of comedy.
Hi-larity. You get an intertubes.
As for my take, I think the reason he's been so tight-lipped about this since Wednesday is because shit's not going his way. He's usually shouting from the mountaintops when he thinks he's winning, and doing so incessantly, and seriously, do you think a gag order would really stop him completely from talking about it?
Anyways, I'm off, gonna go watch a half of the Raptors and munch on my pizza.
Man, he really IS senile if he thinks anyone is going to give a rats ass about this...
YOU WILL NEVER GET AWAY WITH THIS!, JACK THOMPSON!!!!!!!!!!
J/k :P
According to Tim Buckley, he was molested by Grand Theft Pong as a child.
Then he should just stop what he is doing!!
Fuck Jack is such a piece of shit. Better keep an eye out for John Boy suicide bombing an EB Games after this week.
THIS IS GREAT.
Priceless.
Considering Jack took time to mail you during the case, he may be in violation of said gag order, putting yet another count among his dozens, if not hundreds, to be considered for his disbarment.
It only makes sense within the narrow confines of his own delusions.
This means that Jack got the judge to admit there are violent video games out there. Jack has just turned the gaming word upside down with that revolation.
Here's to hoping.
PS: John Bruce sure is desperate for attention if he is going on Spike TV.
No crowing=jack still in deep hot water.
Even if he found one issue he could turn to his favor (or at least not against him) there are many Real issues to deal with. It would be truely surprising if he could find some type of child like glee in getting off from under just one of them.
Dennypoo Sweetykins, can't you see that this is all part of my master plan? Soon Norm Kent will be in jail and video games will be illegal as a result of my disbarment case being overturned!
He probably introduced that biased psych test from Dr. Wunderman, the one filled with so much conflict of interest that you'd think John Bruce evaluated himself, and it was accepted.
Wouldn't be a surprise really. Wasn't it Dr. Wunderman who did John Bruce's evaluation the last time?
Really, John Bruce's so-called surprises aren't as big a surprise as he might think. I already view the overall legal system as dishonorable, unethical, corrupt, inconsistant, illogical, and ignorant. After all, HE'S a part of that legal system. The two go together like weiner and bun. And HE'S the weiner.
:P
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Indeed, the first time I visited the site there was some kind of header banner about 'Motion Capture Porn' or the like O_o
In other words it would be like if he was found not guilty for cutting the tag off a matress, but found guilty for several counts of 1st degree murder.
I agree with others, though, he's been dead silent, which means that he either has nothing to boast about, or the Judge has order him not to under threat of some form of drastic punishment.
Here's hoping you can't keep your yap shut, JT.
Bless. Somehow I doubt the judge said, "Case dismissed, and as a result of your exemplary attitude you've been appointed the position of chief justice of the supreme court. And we've all chipped in and got you a unicorn."
Isn't the absolute best result for Jack basically saying that he's OK to continue practicing law? This case can't result in anything happening to the game industry.
How many times did he come here and boast about how some random filing of his just brought him the greatest victory ever in his suit against the Florida Bar? And what happened again in that trial?
Denied
Denied
Denied
Denied
Denied with prejudice
Denied
Denied
Denied
Etc.
HA!
So how has it turned against them?
If he really IS on TV, live, at 1 in the morning... eh. Who cares. It'll just be the usual garbage. I'll just wait for it to be posted here or on YouTube.
It also sounds like he thinks his trial will play out like an episode of Perry Mason or perhaps Phoenix Wright (if he acknowledged such a thing existed). He seems to believe not only will he walk away unscathed from all this, but that somehow video games will be made illegal.
and as you have pointed out he thinks its a conspiracy that means you are in on the conspiracy as you are trying to dismiss the conspiracy as not been a conspiracy which automatically means you are in the conspiracy
my head hurts...
followed by... "Thompson himself has sent very little GP’s way this week. Although he e-mailed this cryptic message on Wednesday morning, we received no follow-up, despite a couple of requests:"
I cannot help but think the two statements are linked. Jack was probably crowing at the fact he filed for the motion to vacate. The reason he hasn't followed up is because his motion was rejected. He is ever the optimist, you have to give him that much.
You know maybe he acutally believes his own line that God with send an angel or empower Him to overcome all the evil and deliver him from under harm.
Its kind of sad in a way. He thinks himself equal to the gaming industry, superior to the Florida Bar, and the weight of all the people that stand against him (if only in his own mind) just gives credance to his "calling". The truth is a bit more bleak if he could only remove his self imposed blindess to and see it. The only people that much care about his fate are gamers, parental watch groups (as a talking head) and a few game companies... Yes there are alot of gamers but only a tiny percentage are rabid about his demise. At best he might make an ofter overlooked footnote in some rarely read history book.
History tends to roll over self-important, under-educated, bigoted twits like him without a hickup.
@GryphonOsiris
Good analogy bro :)
How is this related to an ethics trial focusing on an attorney's behavior? How could Jack's trial end up hurting the videogame industry?
OH!!! I get it!!!
If he is disbarred, Manhunt 2 and the like will lose their largest producer of free marketing.
Makes sense now... sorry to bother...
Happened just after John Bruce added GP and the ECA to his suit along with the Florida Bar. The judge dismissed all the cases and John Bruce was back to being a social pariah... oh... wait... he's never STOPPED being that.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
In other words, more of the same idiocy as always.
You fail that to understand that in 'Jack Thompson World, the third planet from the sun,' everyone is in cahoots to bring him down like some sort of giant monster than couldn't make it into a Godzilla film.
The Video Game Industry, Consumer Groups, all retailers, all the courts and all the law firms out there, the president, they're all 'in on it' to him.
In his mind, the Florida Bar practically IS the video game industry.
dumbass
Gamer 1- "What? Doom 4 is out? Is that what he said?"
JT- "No, you brainless morons! *I* am your DOOM!"
Gamer 2- "Schweet! Jack Thompson is bringing us Doom 4! Maybe he's not such a bad guy after all!"
JT- "Idiots! I am the bringer of pain to your pathetic lives!"
Gamer 1- "We get lives in Doom 4? More than one?"
Gamer 2- "Does this mean the saves are going to be all messed up? They're not doing checkpoint saves, are they?"
JT- "Imbeciles! NOTHING can save you!"
Gamer 2- "NO SAVES?"
Gamer 1- "Doom 4 with no saves, are they MAD???"
JT- "Listen to what I am saying, you cretins! I am an attorney, and you are not! I will bring down the gaming industry and your cries, too, will be heard far and wide!"
Gamer 1- "Oh. Bummer. He's not bringing us Doom 4."
Gamer 2- "Didn't you hear him? It's not Doom 4, he's bringing us FarCry 2! Woot!"
JT- "NO! All gamers are drooling apes who commit violence and atrocities upon the innocent! I will defeat all of you this day and emerge victorious!"
Gamer 2- "Does he mean Day of Defeat?"
Gamer 1- "I'm so confused now. This guy makes no sense."
Besides things can't turn against the video game industry as they are not on trial. Therefore Jack still hasn't come to grips that he is the one in trouble.
Excellent. You win Brownie.
To be realistic, Worst Case Scenario: Jack is not disbarred and continues slandering games and bigoting Gamers like us. It's not like he's going to get political office or anything(Though that would be the WORST case).
The Best Case Scenario some overly vindictive gamers want to have happen to JT would be: JT's disbarred and bankrupts himself trying to appeal the decision and get his license back. He ends up disowned from his Son, divorced from his wife, excommunicated from his church, scrapping by by borrowing money from his extended family and cleaning toilets at McDonalds.
But, that's completely unrealistic and exaggarated beyond all reason and besides, I don't like JT, but I don't wish bad things to happen to him. He's already doing that himself.
A more realistic Best Case Scenario: JT's disbarred, his appeals are rejected, the game industry has a new poster child for how not to protest Video Games and JT ends as something mostly harmless, like a Highschool Debate teacher or a public speaker.
Please, stop, my upper lip is trying to heal from the burn I got and I can't stop laughing.
ROFL
You have captured the essense of JBT. Quick, bottle it, seal it and launch it into the sun.
Just glad to put a smile on some faces. =)
(And I got brownies, cookies and whipped cream out of it! Yay!)
The "things taking a turn against the industry" very well could have been referring to him filing a motion for Judge Jordan to recuse himself, and just assumed Judge Jordan would and that it'd be horrible for the industry.
In his mind, the only possible reason a judge could have found against him in the first place is because that judge was biased. And without biased judges, no one could *possibly* have a case against him, as what he's doing is automatically right and in line with God's will (remember that he already has planned that if he loses his Bar license here, he's going to sue the Bar for violating his Civil Rights by persecuting him for Christian Activism, and is fully sure he'd win that case.)
I would say he's counting his 'loaves' before they are pinched, however that's just nasty, so I won't say it. ;-)
You know, it must really burn his biscuits not to be able to post here anymore. And my answer to that is, "Good". Perhaps it may teach him some restraint before saying every impulsive, half-baked falacy that he thinks of.
Thompson's accusations of bias always strike me as not too dissimilar to someone in criminal court complaining that the evidence will bias the jury....
Need to slow down when I type.
Congratulations. You win the fudging INTERTUBES for making such extreme lulz! :D
Well, I wouldn’t trust anything John Bruce had to say regarding those “details”. Mr. “Legalized Gay Marriage in Europe caused the birth rate to drop” couldn’t tell the WHOLE Truth, and sometimes not even PARTIAL Truths, if the Truth were stapled to his vocal cords.
why staple 'em, we have a hard enough time getting the truth out from him without it being fastened to his innards...
He actually said that?
If he did, he's stupider than I thought.....
it will most likely be on Gametrailers.com since gamehead is a partnership they have with spike or something. but all gamehead episodes are usually up on their site within 24 hours of the shows airing.
You missed out Norm Kent, Strauss Zelnick and Rockstar.
I guess that means he is in trouble. *glee*
Not really.
If he gets disbarred, it'll be the exact same, except he'll yell and scream about it, claim a conspiracy, file an appeal, and keep saying that gamers are about to get their comeuppance.
God forbid he gets off with a slap on the wrist or nothing at all.
(The preceding was not actually made by Jack Thompson (attorney) but were a parody of said person.)
Are you sure? Cause it sure fooled me, LOL.
But I'm also eager to see how this turns out.
Well, at first he tried to use calm tactics and try to prove his theories on videogames, but it didn't (obviously) turn out well. So now he thinks by screaming his "christiain" beliefs and acting like a two year old in court will get him to where he wants to be.
Here are some good questions for anyone who knows: Why does Jack Thompson waste his time trying to ban all violent (Or just all) videogames? Has a violent videogame caused him some kind of misery? Has it destroyed something in his life? Has any videogame affected him in a negative way?
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20050808.jpg
That'll explain it.
I remember that!! It came from this:
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1412964642907265.JPG?0.16008106279...
It was pretty much the same story as what happened with the Rap-Music incidents involving him. We don't really see all of Jack Thompsons activities here, but this certainly seems to be his modus operandi. I've been here for years, and the rhetoric waxes and wanes (remember how to kept calling us E-Tards during the whole embarassing Gay Porn incident). I think, in part, the more pressure Jack feels under, the more the mask slips.
JT doesn't actually have anything against games; he just sees them as an easy target. All he wants to do is get some form of media banned. This of course goes against first ammendment rights and would ensure Jack a place in the history books as "the man who fought the constitution and won". It was them same in the 80's; back then rap music was "the new kid" and seen as an easy target for the moral brigade. JT tried to capitalise on this and all he managed to do was ban one album in one state. After a few more years of failing he must of realised rap was here to stay and his eyes on a new target.
It will be the same with computer games; he'll fight for a few more years but eventually see that people aren't so easily fooled by the "veeedio games are teh evilzzz" propoganda he and other watchdog groups spout. He'll then try to ban the "new new kid". My money is he starts to target the Internet. The general masses are still relativily uneducated about it and JT will try and take advantage of this. He'll probably go on and on about how your kids are in danger and everyone is a pedophile. He's already tried to target gamepolitics and nationalgaynews.
In summary: Jack wants to go down as the greatest lawyer of all time but ultimately he'll be remebered as the biggest scmuck of all time (if he's remembered at all).
Yeah, that sounds about right. It sounds like that watchdog group call the Parents Television Council whose goal is to make television "SUPER KIDDIE FRIENDLY!!". They want to be remembered as the watchdog group that got rid of violence, cussing, and sex on television (If it happens first, which it won't). I wish these people could just stop, but it won't happen.
As mentioned before, it's certainly about getting attention, but I think there's a great deal of insecurity in there, I always get an aura of 'If only everyone did exactly what I told them without question, the world would be a happier place.'. I wonder how many atrocities have been committed in the name of making the world a better place?
Instead.... we ended up with a raving jackass. A guy that stereotypes gamers, brings false "facts" and misinformation to the media. A guy that when cornered with the truth, cries or hides behind legalese & religion.
Jack, I doubt you'll ever read this, but you are without a doubt a waste of taxpayer money, time, and reason. The only person you can really blame for what's happening, is YOU.
Ah, the APA report. Geoff brought up studies that found no link, and Jack says something to the effect of, "Well, not finding evidence of something doesn't mean that something isn't true/didn't happen," which, and I'm sure I'm breaking some rule here, GP, but it needs to be said, is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard come out of the mouth of someone who claims to have enough knowledge of the legal system to be a lawyer. Top 5, easily.
Also, did anyone else notice that Jack said he bought Manhunt 2?
What? :P
Yeah, that was pretty confusingly worded. Watching a close game of basketball at the same time does that to me sometimes.
Anyway, Jack brought up the APA report and said that there was an increase in agression in teens, etc. Geoff, the reporter for Spike TV, asked him what he thought about all the other studies that found no evidence of a link between agression and violent media, and Jack basically said that just because there's no evidence of a link doesn't mean that a link exists.
Anyway, Jack brought up the APA report and said that there was an increase in agression in teens, etc. Geoff, the reporter for Spike TV, asked him what he thought about all the other studies that found no evidence of a link between agression and violent media, and Jack basically said that just because there’s no evidence of a link doesn’t mean that there isn't a link.
Ugh, time for bed.
Actually I was referencing this :P
Now, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't want to help with Jack's defense, but wouldn't his best method be to site precedence for his ethics violations from other courts/trials? The Bible would not be included in this, since it is not the direct basis for US law (despite what Jack wishes). Perhaps he can even give reasons why he did the things he did to violate ethics, court rulings, and the like, again without saying "God made me do it"?
Still, I find it hard to believe that there are any precedents for the kinds of stunts he has pulled lately. I don't doubt that the Bar will come down hard on him. The question will be whether it is hard enough.
PS - First post. Hi, all.
"Well, I wouldn’t trust anything John Bruce had to say regarding those “details”. Mr. “Legalized Gay Marriage in Europe caused the birth rate to drop” couldn’t tell the WHOLE Truth, and sometimes not even PARTIAL Truths, if the Truth were stapled to his vocal cords."
well to be perfectly fair, his claim is a half truth, but when flushed out is actually an argument in favor of gay marriage
you see it's a fact that many homosexual people enter into heterosexual marriages because it's what they feel they are supposed to do, when these marriages inevitably fail they often turn to bringing children into the world in an attempt to save the marriage
in a society which does not stigmatize homosexual relationships this becomes a less common occurrence, do to a more open conception of homosexual relationships, and as such the forthcoming child stemming from a broken marriage that could never work never gets born
The Psyche-Exam card is something they're not going to play, since Jack is a good enough liar to pass off as "sane" when he's not in court, or not talking about religion or games.
Either way, there's really nothing that can get him off the hook for acting unethical, since he's already made it known to the BAR itself that he believes they're out to get him because his litigation is motivated by his Christian faith. The law is the law, no excuses, and it's one thing to break a law once out of reflex- it's another thing to do it after you've been told far too many times NOT to. He's already knee-deep in legal crap because he's raised the ire of far too many people (some of them not necessarily in the same state, even), he's well known for his circus acts and frivolous lawsuits, and they know he's yet to actually mount a credible censorship offense- more importantly, anybody working in the legal system can easily recognize that he's the kind of person who is trying to redefine/misinterpret the First Amendment for his own purposes, and we've already got a nice backlog of religious groups trying to do the same thing.
@ Deathnote
Yes and no on Jack being civil. He CAN appear civil, but once somebody strips down his argument and sees what it really is, he gets very defensive- once someone makes a comment on him having no clue on what he's talking about, and implying he's a scaremonger? Then you get that news report with him calling the dude a jackass on TV in front of those people.
So the reports he mentions are 100% factual and accurate and anything else 'doesn't mean there isn't a link'....
Says it all really... Picking and Choosing sources is a famous technique for propaganda.
The quote was originally from my post. Neoelasticman was quoting something I said. Didn't want him to catch any flak and me not take responsibility for having said it myself. :)
I doubt that, statistical proabilities taken into consideration, the "drop" would actually be of a significant, or even noticeable, value.
Indeed, John Bruce didn't point out another important Fact: with legalized gay marriage comes certain other legalizations which may or may not have been in place before. Notably, the legalization of gay couples fostering/adopting children. While I don't have such statistics handy, and not sure if they exist, I'll put a significant wager that legalized gay marriage would INCREASE the number of children being placed into good homes versus the number of conceptions DECREASING due to... how shall we say it... "forced" marriages that produced children as you suggest.
No, it's not an exact comparison, but the number of couples "having" children (through conception OR placement) is fairly decent of a match.
So, I'd call that one a 1 quarter Truth at BEST.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Yeah, he sounded kind of like a conspiracy theorist there. What he said was a variation on that line, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence." I shouldn't have been so surprised considering that Jack, like any paranoid consipracy theorist, seems to see conspiracies where there are none and thinks that we, Dennis, Blank Rome, The Florida Bar, Norm Kent and the games industry are all in cahoots. :P
That interview also confirmed what we suspected about his son getting a hard time in school. Jack mentioned that when he visted his son's school, all the students razzed and booed him because his dad was "that guy."
He also mentioned that his son played violent games like Call of Duty, yet didn't have a problem with those. And that what games he himself plays are Rockstar's games, which suggesting by his tone sounded like he secretly enjoyed them. Just goes to show what a damn hypocrite hie is. :P
i feel sorry for the kid really :/ .
He's really just saying the same damn things over and over and over again, so much so that even HE'S getting bored of it. He wasn't even looking at the guy talking to him, he was just saying lines that he's memorized word-for-word to try and create some sort of shock factor for what he's doing, while staring at the ground like a scared little turtle.
i guess it depends on how you define hate.
i find Thompson so morally bankrupt and bereft of human qualities that it would not make me sad if he stopped existing. he contributes nothing but bile and thus is a waste of genetic material.
do i want him killed? no.
do i care if he dies? not in the slightest.
i can do all this with indifference and lack of compassion, but it doesn't involve active hatred of the man. annoyance, sure. hate, nah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiT2cbyRtAI
That was awesome! :D
About the only TV appearance he hasn't spoke of since is his G4 appearance.
...
Oh, I can see it now...
Jack: Welcome to Wal-Mart, how can I help you?
Attack Gypsy: Yes, I want that copy of GTA: 4.
J: That is an evil game, you shouldn't buy it.
A: I want to speak with your manager.
M: Jack, you're fired.
MUWHAAAAAAAA!!!!
Jack: you can't fire me, I was sent here by God!!!!
Manager: Really?! God told me to fire you this morning!!
LOL :P
Copies of GTA mysteriously vanishing woudl get him fired before that >.>
It seems curious "sweetie" isn't spamming out victory pronouncements. I bet he's pissed because the current big topic in the games community isn't about him...unless he wants to claim Jeff Gerstman is a fellow whistleblower on the industry. :)
Kinda hard to when he's banned... (But that hasn't stopped him from trying, right?)
Not to mention that he probably heard about that hostage situation at a Hillary campaign HQ in New Hampshire on friday, and he'd probably baselessly link it to that 'threat' posted on this site several weeks ago that he got up in arms about.
Did you guys hear about that? Hillary wasn't even in the state at the time, btw, it was just a place where the campaign HQ was.
Well here's hoping. ;)
Heres there site:
http://www.viewers.org.nz/index.html
Usual stuff (our precious kiddies brains are being eaten by evil tv etc.), the bit about the VT shootings was in a newspaper not the site.
Video.
PWNS!!
Dude... he's been banned a few times.
Really, about 60+ times if you include the times back during the Live Journal days.
Recently, it's been *about* 4 - they started after Jack tried to sue Dennis. Jack came through on a proxy, was banned again, and repeated a few times.