GP on Joystiq: Two Governors, Two Hypocrites

December 14, 2007 -
...the one in which GP explains what Mitt Romney and Arnold Schwarzenegger have in common when it comes to video games.

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Personally, I think the most stunningly hypocritical thing about Romney is that he pretends to be a small government conservative yet wants the Feds to get involved in regulating yet another thing. Let's just hope he loses the primary lest we end up with a contest between two nannies.

Though there's not many good choices either way. Just based on past votes and general positions, I would rank the candidates in this order in regards to censorship:

#1- Ron Paul. He subscribes to the 'shrink the Federal government until it's small enough to drown in a bathtub' school of thought. But he also has no chance.

#2- Fred Thompson. Makes "moralistic" noises from time to time about porn, abortion, and such, but is a committed federalist so wouldn't want the feds involved either way. Bonus points: Has voted against bills in the Senate to censor/regulate violent TV.

#3- Giuliani. Generally speaking, he's an authoritarian nightmare waiting to happen. But he's a big fan of the free market, so wouldn't get involved there. Not much of a consolation prize, but, err, yea..

#4- McCain. He's also voted against censorship/regulation of violent TV. But he likes government power and changes positions somewhat randomly when politically expedient. Oh, and, the McCain-Feingold political speech censorship, umm, "campaign reform" act, so, no.

Everyone else sucks.

illspirit Ron Paul has a great chance. Stop perpetuating this myth, it's getting tired.

Gouliani and Arnold are both nazis, along with Bush. There is proof. Try a search. This would explain why they don't want freedom of expression for our games, and why they support torture.

Reading the postings at this site constitutes torture, and yet you all seem to like it. By the way, you know what a sadist is, right? It\'s someone who is nice to masochists.

Waterboarding is not torture. Its coercion. And it works.

As to the 42% failure rate documented by the FTC in the sale of mature games to kids: That\'s very high failure rate, and David Walsh\'s NIMF confirms that the failure rate has now risen to 50%. You think America would tolerate a 50% failure rate in selling booze at 7-11 to minors? Get a grip.

Finally, \"Ron Paul has a great chance?\" At what, privatizing the interstate highway system? This guy is an anarchist, who is perfect to run the ESA and the ECA.

Nice try, Hugh hefner.

I don't know whether your JT, a Larouchie, or some troll, but 1/10.

"As to the 42% failure rate documented by the FTC in the sale of mature games to kids: That\’s very high failure rate, and David Walsh\’s NIMF confirms that the failure rate has now risen to 50%. You think America would tolerate a 50% failure rate in selling booze at 7-11 to minors? Get a grip".

Yet America tolerates a 70+% failure rate in selling unrated or R-rated movies to kids. So it doesn't surprises me if America tolerates a 42% failure rate of selling M-rated games to kids.

@hugh hefner

What? It has to have a 0% failure rate to be acceptable?

Many MANY more children get a hold of R rated movies and no one seems to care

Heh. Soooooo glad my country doesn't have much of a video game issue. I don't think games have ever been mentioned as a political topic, only as a police issue and a children's health issue.

@ King James

[i]I’ve been on that board. Good grief. The heat on that board is terrible. Proof of John Gabriel’s Greater Internet D*ckwad Theory for sure:

Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total D*ckwad.[/i]

WHAT?!? This Anonymous always thought the Legion was proof enough of this theory (which I've never heard of before, will have to investigate)! Besides, this equation doesn't always equal 'Total D*ckwad' as you say, but that's another story entirely?

@ "hugh hefner"

Have you undergone waterboarding? The former assistant attorney general did, and in his opinion it was torture.

As your myopic claims that NIMF's statistics are more accurate than those of the FTC I call shenanigans. We only have the word of a group with an agenda that their stats are accurate. As opposed to the FTC whose sole concern is the upholding of the law and determining these kinds of things. Long story short, its the job of the FTC to learn these numbers accurately. Any other group that tries to change the numbers must be questioned on their motives.

Now I, honestly, have no doubt that NIMF actually does care about the issue of M rated material getting into the hands of minors. I find that fact a little comforting actually. It doesn't change the fact that I disagree with their solutions, but knowing that they actually care means they can be talked to intelligently.

All we, as the gaming community, are asking for is consistency on the part of these watch dog groups. So far I have yet to see that consistency.

@ some waterhead calling himself "hugh hefner"

Did you fail reading comprehension as a child?

A 42% failure rate is still way lower than a 71% failure rate that the movie industry has in the last FTC report.

Are you that mentally deficient that you can't seem to understand that?

@hugh hefner, a.k.a. william panderlust

Yeah, I figure you're the same person. Same slashes before apostraphies. Unless we've got 2 idiots with the same problem... which wouldn't suprise me too much.

As to the waterboarding - if it's not torture, would *YOU* undergo it willingly? It's coersion in the same sense that breathing is a "suggestion". It may not be torture physically, but mentally? Don't you think the sensation of drowning like that, over and over, would scar someone mentally? If that's not in the US's definition of torture, our current regiem has lost touch with reality.


As to the 42% failure rate documented by the FTC in the sale of mature games to kids: That\’s very high failure rate, and David Walsh\’s NIMF confirms that the failure rate has now risen to 50%. You think America would tolerate a 50% failure rate in selling booze at 7-11 to minors? Get a grip.


That's a problem for the RETAILERS, not the system itself. The system is fine. It's really quite easy, you know. The comparison to alcohol is rediculous, however - alcohol is a poison that, when consumed in small quantities, has euphoric side effects and some health benifits (blood thinner). Alcohol is a DRUG. Video games are a completly different medium, and therefore your analogy would be better if you compared them to a similar medium... say, the MPAA rating system. Guess what? When you're looking at two VOLUNTARY rating systems, and their enforcement, you get about the same result. Considering the MPAA has been around a LOT longer than the ESRB, they're doing very well, and the ESRB has politicians backing it, AND an education campaign. The next time you want to commit a logical fallacy, try to at least give us a challenge. The "moron from Miami" tried that one a long time ago, and we shot it down then, too.

@ hugh hefner

check out this article.

Persons accused of state crimes very frequently were interrogated with the use of specific techniques, including the rack, the thumbscrew, and waterboarding. King James I personally described the process in The Kings Booke (1606). He would, on the advice of his officers, “approve no new torture,” but he would certainly avail himself of the existing practices. In ascending order of severity they were: thumbscrews, the rack and waterboarding. That’s right. Waterboarding was considered the most severe of the official forms of torture. Worse than the rack and thumbscrews.


Still not torture?

@ hugh hefner

One final note... you say Ron Paul doesn't have a chance? Check out his live donation website. Keep in mind he only started using it about a day ago, but he's got a LOT of donations coming in.

LINK

I'd say he's got a chance, if his donation rate can sustain itself. As for him being an anarchist, that's not true and you know it, quit lying. Care to try again?

@Jack Pandralust Hefner Thompson

"Hypocrites? Hardly. Waterboarding, used only a few times, demonstrably saved lives. See this report at http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/11/agent.tapes/index.html."


It saving lives is not a qualifier for whether or not it is torture. You could hack off someone's legs with an ax and get the same info to save the same amount of lives.

Using torture for a military advantage, thus saving lives, is nothing new.

"Not sure what lives a kid playing GTA has saved."

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/12/14/soldier-gamer-dies-in-iraq/


"As to Arnold, the movie industry understands that no one under 17 was supposed to get into any of his R-rated movies. As David Walsh of NIMF recently proved the video game industry sells M-rated games to kids under 17 about half the time."

Oh really? The movie industry understands that? Then just why are minors able to buy violent R-rated movies, such as Arnolds 80% of the time?

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/07/mvreport.shtm

Oops, your argument just broke.

"Waterboarding is not torture. Its coercion. And it works."

Torture has been used for coercion for a long time. You have yet to prove how its NOT torture.


"As to the 42% failure rate documented by the FTC in the sale of mature games to kids: That\’s very high failure rate, and David Walsh\’s NIMF confirms that the failure rate has now risen to 50%. You think America would tolerate a 50% failure rate in selling booze at 7-11 to minors? Get a grip."

If 42% for the video game industry is high just how do you find the movie industry's 80% acceptable? I would accept a 50% failure rate to selling booze at a 7-11 to a minor over an 80% failure rate.

These Governors are hypocrites, and so are you Jack.

I don't know the statistics, Hughy, but I'm pretty sure I would have a much easier time getting alcohol or cigarettes at my age than I would trying to buy an M-rated game. I know kids personally that could walk into almost any gas station and buy some Newports, but still can't buy M-rated games without an adult.

Mitt Romney fucking disgusts me. Let's torture people, but make sure they don't play any of those horrible fucking videogames.

Schwarzenegger is also a fucking hypocrite. I wonder how many millions of dollars he made by starring in bloody violent movies like Total Recall or The Terminator?
 
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