
As we reported last night in a
GamePolitics exclusive, controversial attorney Jack Thompson's
Grand Theft Auto lawsuit was dismissed yesteday by a judge in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Thompson and local attorney Steve Sanders filed the suit last year on behalf of the brother of a man killed by his 14-year-old son. The plaintiff alleges that Cody Posey was influenced by
Grand Theft Auto Vice City to kill his father, stepmother and stepsister. Testimony and evidence presented at Cody Posey's 2006 juvenile court trial, however, showed that he had been physically and sexually abused by his father.
GamePolitics has received this excellent account of yesterday's proceedings from a source who attended part of the hearing before Judge Valerie Huling:
Steve Sanders and Jack Thompson appeared on behalf of the plaintiffs (I think that [plaintiff] Verlin Posey - Delbert's brother/Cody's Uncle -- was there with his wife). New Mexico attorney Charles "Kip" Purcell appeared on behalf of Sony and Take-Two, along with Robert Atkins, Douglas Pravda and Phil Kopsinski (sp?) of [T2/Sony's law firm Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison]...
Initially, the Court pointed out that, even though there were numerous motions to dismiss, they essentially broke down along two lines: personal jurisdiction and failure to state a claim. The Judge asked that the parties not simply re-hash their previous motions, responses and replies. Judge Valerie Huling was obviously very prepared and had read all of the briefs and cases cited therein.
The Court started by hearing the arguments regarding personal jurisdiction. Robert Atkins argued on behalf of the defendants. He pointed out that neither Sony nor Take-Two has any physical offices or brick-and-mortar stores in New Mexico, nor does either company have any registered agents here. That is, the plaintiffs could not bring Sony/T2 before the Court under "general jurisdiction."
Atkins addressed "specific jurisdiction," where the plaintiffs could theoretically sue Sony/T2 under the New Mexico Long-Arm Statute. Under that law, they could be sued if they "transacted business" within the state and had "sufficient minimum contacts" such that it would be fair to bring them before an NM court.
Apparently, in their response, the plaintiffs tried to allege that there was specific jurisdiction based on the number of PS2's & copies of GTA:VC sold within the state, and also based upon the existence & nature of the defendants' websites... Atkins basically showed that the plaintiffs couldn't prove facts sufficient to bring Sony/T2 within the jurisdiction of New Mexico courts...
In closing, Atkins made it a point to illustrate that, under New Mexico's long-arm statute, the lawsuit must "arise out of" the business that Sony/T2 do in this state - and that the Posey killings are too far removed from the purchase of a PS2 and video game to satisfy the statute.
The Court then addressed the motions to dismiss for Failure to State a Claim... Jack Thompson handled the argument on this one. Jack essentially repeated the talking points of his complaint, as well as his usual stable of arguments (I predicted Columbine; APA says there's a causal link; Harvard brain scan studies; the "game" label is benign; these are "murder simulators" and not speech; I have four experts ready to testify; the "M" label is an admission of liability, etc.).
The Court acknowledged all of the "social & medical science" but said that Jack was weak on the legal argument - Jack responded by citing very heavily to the
Rice v. Palladin case (the case which, by the admission of its defendants, involved a book that was intended as a how-to manual on putting out a hit). Jack made the claim that Palladin was dispositive of this case (but Sanders v. Acclaim specifically says that it is not applicable to this kind of fact pattern).
Jack also tried to make the case that Sony/T2 would be responsible for the 3d party criminal actions of Posey because they introduced a product that they knew to be dangerous to minors (based upon "neurological difference" between teens and adults).
Jack hung a lot of his case on the words of Sandra Grisham, the Cody Posey prosecutor. He said that her phone call to him regarding the "public health issues" raised by the sale of these games, prompted his obscenity/nuisance claims against the defendants...
Also, he repeated his "civil conspiracy" claims by alleging that the ESRB was the "fox guarding the henhouse" with respect to game ratings, and that the ESA has been "misrepresenting" facts to the citizens of this country concerning the sale of M-rated games to minors. He claimed that the FTC findings (42% rate) "prove us right."
He essentially closed by saying that the 1st Amendment doesn't protect the sale of harmful products to children, and that these games harm both the player and the innocent 3rd party victims, and that "anybody who says that these games don't have some kind of impact" (or something to that effect) has to be "some kind of nut" (his words).
He anecdotally mentioned that the head of the ESA [Doug Lowenstein] threatened to sue CBS if 60 Minutes aired the Ed Bradley interview with Jack concerning the Alabama case. While he never came out & said "I represent another family in Alabama," Jack hinted that "we've got the same experts that we do in the Alabama case." He, naturally, made a big deal about the Alabama case avoiding dismissal [and proceeding to trial, scheduled for 2008]
Robert Atkins handily rebutted Jack's arguments, first by stating that this case was very much about free speech and creative expression. The Court asked him if that included marketing to kids, to which he essentially responded yes, because no law on the books prevents ads to kids. Atkins rightfully relied heavily on both the
James v. Meow Media and
Sanders v. Acclaim cases in making his arguments; he called those cases the "roadmap" that builds on decades' worth of similar cases regarding TV, rap music and magazines.
Atkins also opined that
Rice v. Palladin actually makes the Defendants' case for them, as the words of that opinion specifically limit its effect to the facts of that case. The 4th Circuit in
Rice specifically counseled against extending its ruling to the "free dissemination of ideas."
Atkins also showed how the boilerplate general rule is that one does not ordinarily have a duty to prevent the criminal actions of others. Jack had, apparently, clung to a narrow exception to that rule, which Atkins showed to be inapplicable. Atkins mentioned that Jack's own experts testified in the run-up to the Alabama case that there was, in fact, no scientific evidence establishing the causal link [between violent games and real-world violence]...
The overall tone was pretty respectful - I came into the courtroom a few minutes before the hearing; there was no chit-chat or banter between the parties. It was pretty silent until Jack asked aloud whether or not the Vikings beat the Bears last night... Jack didn't engage in much mud-slinging or attacks on Take Two or Sony during the argument. I wouldn't call him subdued or restrained, but he was definitely lower-key than we've seen him in prior cases.
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I'll explain something to ya Jack, you likely won't listen, but I'll say it anyway.
In a court of law, the judge DOES NOT GIVE A DAMN if you were on TV or not,and if you intend to gain favor for it, you will more than likely get the opposite. You are NOT a celebrity and WILL NOT be given special treatment for being a talking head on some new program that will take anyone calling themselves an expert.
Face it, this case, is over, and you handed victory right to those you wanted to destroy
@Eville1
With how badly tarnished that, position is, I doubt anyone else would want it now.
Wonder if this decision can be used to dismiss the Alabama case?
Just enjoy the fact that for once this was not a circus and that Take Two's new laywers seem to be more than up for the task of getting these frivolous lawsuits dismissed post haste.
It's a wonder this man has gotten as far as he has in his career. Maybe Vanderbilt Universty really does hand out their law degrees from Crackerjack boxes considering how he acts. Again, what made him even think he stood any kind of a chance?
Please, if there is any justice in this world, the Florida Bar will revoke his law license and put him out of his misery. He simply is unfit to practice law. This clearly shows how much of a money-grubber, attention-seeker and pathetic excuse for a lawyer he truly is.
this vermin is a stain on our legal system
Way ta go!
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
To all those in the past that have accused Jack of sleeping through law class, please stop. I do it and I have perfect grades. So it's no wonder Jack managed to get his license.
He'll spin this in a way the news will be telling him to get his story straight.
You sleep through them and get perfect grades - not a difficult thing to do in many classes, law or otherwise. Law isn't terribly difficult to understand anyways. Consider this for a moment.
Now consider that Jack failed the BAR exam on the first attempt, and now, even after passing it, he still fails so hard as a lawyer.
This is pure gold. I may not be a lawyer, but I still find the account of the court proceedings hilarious, to a certain degree.
I had to say it.
Why of course, don't you see? This dismissal is all part of Jack's plans, they're playing right into his hands with this action. He can't believe that they would do something that would provide such an incredible advantage to him. I mean, you don't get to be on 60 Minutes and Fox News if you weren't as brilliant as he is, and able to see how this is exactly what he needs to win this case.
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Damn, I can't figure out how to fit a good book plug in to this one to complete the rant in True Thompson Style(tm). That, and it needs some reference to "stupid kids" and "pixelanties", maybe a drivers license with Batman in place over his own photo like he used to do. Oh yeah, and gay porn.
Obviously this is just another blow at Jack from the conspiracy against him, attempting to continue their “collaborated assault”.
Ok, so we've got Judge Huck from the Kotaku case, Gawker Media, Blank Rome, R*, the opposing council and the judge from the Alabama case, the FLA BAR, GamePolitics.com readers, Dennis himself, and now Judge Valerie Huling in this conspiracy. Did I miss anyone?
Don't forget to encourage suicide, just wouldn't be Thompson Style if you didn't.
As for jack being subdued: PFFFFT. Jack just knows when his antics would get him in real trouble. Considering the bar trial, I'd be willing to bet that his self-censoring "Don't F*** up" ability is on overdrive. The last thing he needs is another bar complaint.
Right. Oh, and I need to call everyone here a coward for not posting all their personal information and for using an alias. I think we've hit just about all the major stylistic points of a typical Thompson post.
Yup. He should have taken the left turn.
What can't he understand? Parent's don't want to give up their rights to decide what's good/bad for their children? That games are protected under the first amendment? That as years pass more and more gamers grow older and yet crimes gone down, and now those same gamers can vote on issues like this?
Each day that passes another gamer gets to voting/jury duty age. He's fighting an uphill battle with little to no proof to back his views. Yet there are 9.5 million people alone who play World of Warcraft that participate in society on a regular basis with out killing anyone or manifesting violence in other ways. Let alone the millions of others who play violent games and never commit violent acts.
x1 Agree
It seems that he realy is learning his lesson, but then again, maybe he thinks if he tones the attacks down a bit, he can avoid disbarment in Florida (not likely).
Ooh, burn! Bravo good sir, bravo.
a) Accept social responsibility for the fact that he's in control of what his children are exposed to, while simultaneously assisting other parents in understanding the new medium for what it is, and how they should take measures in watching their kids around it.
b) Declare the new medium as the second coming of Hitler, and prance around as a bible-thumping, grandstanding narcissist who pretends to be on moral high-ground while trying to sneak his hands into the pockets of the newest and largest entertainment industry today.
Which one do you think he chose?
Still, this disbarring could be a new start for Jack. Now that he doesn't have the legal push to attempt such attacks on the industry (save for when he does so as a concerned citizen, in which case he has to find himself a lawyer as crazy as him), his only option is A (or the undeclared C, which is B without the dipping into pockets part) which means he is just a concerned parent. This whole mess, ironically happening at this time of year, is almost like a personal version of "A Christmas Carol" for him. We are soon to lose one of the most annoying thorns in the side of free speech in the form of interactive media, and he'll be learning that sometimes it's better to inform the ignorant than to attack the innocent.
God bless us, every one! (except for me and Pandralisk)
While fining massacre-chasing "litigious bastards" like Johnny Bruce Thompson would be a nice idea, he represents the idea that the USA has become a lawsuit-happy society. There are tons of other examples of filing frivolous lawsuits that get tossed, so unfortunately, I don't think things will change anytime soon if ever. To add fuel to the fire, being a successful litigator of course pays very, very well.
Johnny Bruce Thompson is unique, and not unique when you look at the bigger picture.
Well, it may be that was a "previous argument" the judge asked the parties not to bring back up. I suspect it's more likely that it just doesn't help the case nearly as much as pointing out that "Actually, your lawsuit has no legal basis."
It's vaguely like when a murderer or rapist is brought to court, and the whole time is spent proving what an awful person the victim was and how they deserved it anyway. Court is weird and stupid like that.
and yes the vikings beat the bears. please dont tell me he's a vikes or bears fan. i would think he'd be more into this seasons fins as he could relate to em more :P
I was wondering about that.
Now I have an urge to put the viking kittens flash on loop.
He was banned again.
Unfortunately, Jack isn't unique. He is among an elite group of prominent individuals that have appeared over the years:
* Dr. Fredric Wertham
* Senator Joseph McCarthy
* Jack Chick
* Patricia Pulling & Rona Jaffe
Among countless others.
"The Court acknowledged all of the “social & medical science” but said that Jack was weak on the legal argument"
Seems a nice way of saying "ok you quoted numbers that are meaningless but I acknowledge the numbers" and "you are weak on the law". Odd that jackies brain did not explode at the point. Ah well. JBT got owned and the laughing idiot cannot yet again profit from the misfortune of another.
Such methinks is justice.
He was banned again, but continues to try and circumvent the ban.
So do I, but I also see him then crossing lines and having lawsuits brought against him that he is unable to defend. Fact is that if he does have his license revoked, he will be severely crippled in his attempts. I'm just not getting my hopes up that he will be disbarred.
The only rallies he's organized recently were the once he appeared in with the Peacoholics, and the last one he wasn't even there and if you saw the footage of it, it lookes like there were maybe only 10 people there. Kind of pathetic for a rally if you ask me.
If Jack does become an activist and organizes a rally, that's about how many people he'll manage to have show up. If that. He's not really the kind of guy though I think who really wants followers. He's too much of a narcissist.
More likely it'll be just him protesting in front of Take 2's building, and like every other crazy street person in New York, he'll simply be IGNORED.
How scary of a thought is that?
even if the ESRB can be likened to a fox guarding a henhouse, the rabid wolf known as Jack Thompson can't be any better.
before Jack tells me to get out of hiding behind my anonymity, I can say the same thing to his so-called experts. At least I'm not an expert at not existing.
And I'd sure like to see J.T. explain how that happened.
hey i didnt say he could completley relate.
But only jack vaguely reminds me of Palpatine.
while theres no actual law stating he cant go to a different country to the best of my knowledge (im not a lawyer) common sense would state that they would probably check his case history (specially once they found out he was disbarred!)
like the lady in dallas who stated she was "violently opposed" to an arcade being put in near her house? it's classic irony (like anti-abortionists killing doctors) caused by zealotry.
Bro I think you are giving him to much credit. Pretty sure he pawned off his common sense with him soul, in his search for the all powerful dollar.
I would be worried if someone managed to "out paranoid" him.
The write-up on the new lawfirm is impressive btw. JBT has a bit less of a chance than a snowball surviving a blast furnance.
I laughed when I read about several of JT's arguments/case citations being turned around and used against him. Nice.
If he organives another rally, i'll organize a rally thats ten times the size of his rally. It wouldent be that dificult at all, seeing the sheer number of people that are pissed off about John Bruce's antics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_believer_syndrome
Wow... Was that really an appropriate time to be asking that?
I don't know. Palpatine was evil, scheming, and usually quite successful in his schemes. Jack seems to be more like Palpatine's secret ineffectual, idiot brother that was taught incorrectly for comedy's sake.
More to the point, there's more *actual* violence in and around the average American football game than there is violence in an average M-Rated video game.
No, I mean in how they look, once you put jack in the robes, it gets freaky, once you have the hood on, its uncanny.
MSNBC's Chris Matthews is a person you didn't include.
==============C.S.
To quote Guybrush Threepwood from Curse of Monkey Island, "He's a big old bed wetting doody head."
Probably one of the funniest insult to use in insult sword fighting, even though it never worked.
And coincidentally, he fights like a cow.
"Sounds like Atkins is the attorney to face off against John Bruce in the legal and debate arena. He easily counters and debunks John Bruce’s diatribes and half Truths/misinformation.
Way ta go!"
Sounds like we've got more muffin baskets to send out. :P
@Blade Decivre:
"I’d hate to say it, but I’m starting to feel sorry for Jack."
I'll pass, thanks. But you go ahead.
@Kincyr:
"yet again Jack ignores the FTC’s findings that kids can purchase R and unrated movies 81% of the time as well as purchasing violent religious text 100% of the time."
Of course he did, they go against his point of view. Besides, didn't you know the FTC's in cahoots with the video game industry and Take 2? Obviously you're unfamiliar with the Jack Thompson Conspiracy. :P
@Tye The Czar:
Bah, he's overeducated. (as opposed to JT, who's under-educated, lol)
Hey, sympathy and mercy aren't for everyone.
This is a great article in how the trial was described. An informative play by play of what went on in the courtroom. It seems to me like Jack underwent a little "cooling down" from this experience. Did he just back away to avoid getting into more trouble with conduct? Maybe JT does have a shred of common sense after all.
Long story short. This si the way I tried to laugh at these people:
http://mountainmailcountry.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=864
gamers 1000000
jack -1000000000
Sony and Take 2 only make the game. They didn't sell it to the kid.
I think the PS2 and the game actually belonged to the father.
Probably. As F'ed Up as he sounded it seemed doubtful Cody even played the thing. Of course this would not matter to the jackalope. Bet if you asked him (not sure why anyone sane would) he would tell you there is a huge cosmic connection (conspiracy) between games, gamers and the universal desire to get him.
Well if he didn't take it upon himself to decide what we can and can't play (especially those of age) then I don't think anyone'd be 'out to get him'
But, since he couldn't mind his own damn business, here we are.
Interesting to see that Jacko quoted in a story that isn't videogame related. Of course they didn't mention the reason that Jacko was involved at all was because he is fighting the Florida Bar...
Jack Thompson, a Coral Gables, Fla., attorney, had complained that the Florida Bar did not move to discipline Atchison immediately following the charge. He said he was disturbed at the idea that taxpayers might foot the bill for Atchison's death.
And as if we didn't have enough examples of Jack's hypocrisy...
"Geoffrey Fieger is the last person in the world who ought to be bringing this case," Thompson said. "Isn't this the guy who fought for the right of people to kill themselves?"
And isn't this the "first amendment" "lawyer" who has constantly fought to squelch artist's(music, movies, even games...) first amendment rights, only to complain about the Florida Bar doing the same to him?