Wow, I wonder who these mysterious studies were done by? I bet by no one. Now I know why I do not want her to be president.

Hillary and "Common Sense" Media can both go to hell.

Hillary has just guaranteed her defeat in '08.

As a young parent myself I find it amusing that they blame TV, the internet, and video games for the problems of a child; Last time I checked it was the parents responsibility to raise their kids, its not that hard to turn off the t.v. and go outside and play with your kids, but in this day and age people don't have the "time" to spend with their kids, or in other words are too lazy to raise them.

The government needs to back off trying to regulate things that Parents are more than capable of doing, it is not any industries fault that a parent remains to be ignorant of the world around them, and chooses not to do research on what they should let their children consume.

Thats my rant :P.

The sad thing is that when asked about junk food advertising this is what she said (emphasis added):

In the United States, we are going in the right direction: In December 2006, 10 of the top food companies in the country announced a new Children’s Food and Beverage Advertising Initiative that includes a commitment to devote at least 50 percent of all advertising to healthier foods or to messages that encourage fitness or nutrition. I believe there is more work to be done. I would like to see the entire food industry come together to develop voluntary guidelines that take their responsibility to children seriously. I think that there are a lot of steps that the private sector and the public sector, working together, can take to curb marketing and availability of unhealthy products to our children.

She will elt the junk food industry regulate itself, yet force government regulation on the video game industry. Can you say Hypocrite?

I love the idea that young parents are worried about losing control or raising their children to the media and marketplace, but they are totally fine with losing control to the federal government.

Im sorry about that, me am goood speeler! I meant "everyone" and "hot headed".

Because she's a brain dead bitch.

Hitlery Clinton; worst candidate ever.

Of course, her problem with games would vaporize overnight if the game industry and high profile game developers threw themselves (and lots and lots of their money) wholeheartedly in support of her her campaign.

Hey, it worked for Hollywood.

Every single American gamer of voting age, should not only vote against Mrs. Clinton (hey, whoever you want to pick is fine on any side, as long as it's not her), but should also write the Senator to let her know exactly why she lost your vote - even if she didn't have it in the first place.

Let her know you cannot vote for someone who does not support the first ammendment, and that anyone who lies, creates statistics and uses the fear du jour to get votes doesn't deserve a place in the countries political system. Enough of those letters, and, who knows? Maybe she'll realise games and gamers aren't the easy target she thinks they are.

I'd do it myself but, even though I live in the US, I'm not a citizen, so my voice doesn't really, well, count in politics.

Well, she has never had my support, and if she's elected, I will probably move out of the country. At least she didn't call the research of video violence fact. I am voting Edwards, if he doesn't make it to the primaries, then I'm not voting. I would agree with Zachary Knight though, republicans are worse, but it looks like all the (R) candidates are just screwing up at every turn, ruining their chance to take the office.

its time . . .

aflred e neuman for president!!!

@EZK

What if we never get the chance to vote for Obama?

@Glen Essex

Edwards won't even get the nomination, and he shouldn't, because he, like hitlery, is an idiot.

instend of keeping kids safe from tv,and vg.
keep the others safe from war,drugs, and guns.

I'd like to once again remind everyone that the forums are Open and taking new members. I'd also like to point out that it IS a JT free area.

Wow. This next presidential election is really turning into a 'no good options' race.

@BlackIce
Obama won't win the primary because he's too green. He has no experience and has done essentially nothing with his career so far.

@Austin Lewis

That doesn't usually stop people.

And he is closing the gap on Hitlery.

Just to check he didn't ban this IP..

@BlackIce
Well, here's the thing.

The one thing that the populace, for the most part, knows about Obama is that he went to a maddrassa, where many Islamic ZEALOTS go too.

Now, with the wealth of information that the internet places at our fingertips, you would think that the people would look into him more.

But they won't.

Besides, the young crowd that would vote for Obama doesn't actually turn out to vote ever anyway.

Some people have theorized - and I really hope that this is true - that because the 2008 campaign has been raging for so long, people will start to get weary of campaign news by the time the election rolls around. Hillary may be the frontrunner now in some polls, but she may have trouble maintaining that much momentum for long, especially when people start getting tired of hearing her.
I'm also willing to wager that if the Dems nominate Hillary (who a lot of people despise) and the Republicans nominate someone equally unlikeable (Romney's pissed a lot of people off) then we'll see a very strong showing from a third party candidate. Even if it's not a strong enough showing to win, it might shatter the myth that a third party candidate can't be a serious contender.

@BlackIce
A lot of people don't. Less than 1/6th of the country voted in the last election, and less than 1/4th of the registered voters actually showed up to vote.

@Austin Lewis

Which then leaves you with the problem of a President elected by a minority. Worst case scenario would have Romney elected.

Oh, pandering bells, pandering bells,
Pandering all the way
Oh, what fun it is to pander
In a one horse open race
Pandering bells, pandering bells,
Pandering all the way
Oh, what fun it is to pander
In a one horse open race

I get inspired this time of the year.

The best way to handle this problem a couple of weeks before the primaries is full-blast protesting. Let the politicans know that these idea's are seriously messed up. The gaming public HAS to raise a big stink about this.

This is pretty low on my list of priorities when it comes to voting on a Presidential candidate, and I'm guessing that is actually pretty low on her priority list of causes should she get elected into the office.

Iraq, the economy and other issues most likely rank a bit higher on the agenda. While I'm sure she would support such legislation if it came up in Congress, I'm not really sure they will have time to get to this for a few more years at least.

Anyway, I'd rather vote for an Edwards/Obama ticket.

I'm Canadian, but like Paul said, the next president will affect the world, frankly I'm pro-rebuplican.


Anyway, Hiliray and her "Common Sense" group are idiots. That is all.

they tell me that they are worried about losing control over the raising of their own children and about ceding the responsibility of implicating values and behaviors to a multi-dimensional media marketplace over which they have no control…

And yet they would have no qualms about ceding the responsibility of implicating values and behaviours to Congress? Are these people on drugs?

Oh yeah, and if being religous makes one a biggot, then ive got a HUGE ASSED sticker that says just that right on my forehead.

You know, when people ask me "don't you think it's about time there is a woman president", my response typically has been "Sure, I'd support a woman president. I just won't support that woman as president." Hillary Clinton would be, in my opinion, a step backwards for this country. Get a woman who has at least some degree of integrity in her. Hillary has shown exactly zero integrity in what she does.

x1 Agree On that my good man

We as gamers need to do one thing REGARDLESS of what party we might side with. Write the Democratic Party's national office via email or snail mail and let them know that Hilary Clinton, if nominated as their candidate for the 2008 Presidency, will not receive your vote.

Better yet type up a boiler plate form letter and pass it along to all who are appauled to this kind of crap that Senator Clinton is pushing.

Here's the link: http://www.democrats.org/contact.html

The only way we get this changed is to make our voices heard as a group of voters who aren't going to stand for anymore political grandstanding on non-issues.

@Mark Lucherini

don't worry, none of our votes count anyway, as was proven in the 2000 elections.

down with the Electoral College!

It is rare that the Electoral votes differ from popular votes, and Gore BARELY won that.

As a UK citizen, the more often I see that woman, the more often I think 'Thatcher Mk2'.

Come to think of it, if she wants to make herself look stupid during her first term as President by signing in a law that she's been told from all angles is not constitutional, and waste a load of taxpayer money defending it from its inevitable defeat of First Amendment grounds, then I suppose it's her presidency, it's only the reputation of the entire Democratic Party that will suffer for it, you can be sure the Repubs will see to that....

'Hilary Clinton, ignores famine and poverty, cares about Mario...'

"Whenever I meet young parents… they tell me that they are worried about losing control over the raising of their own children and about ceding the responsibility of implicating values and behaviors to a multi-dimensional media marketplace over which they have no control…"

Really? Young parents tell her that? All the young parents I know tend to be more technologically savvy and understand that media is going to play a role in their kid's childhood. I would consider myself more prepared to raise a child in a digital age than my parents did when they raised me.

@Jack P.

most of my friends and coworkers have kids (wife and i are working on that) and they're ALL far more aware and prepared to deal with new media. hell, most of them play games with their kids, from Leapfrogs to Guitar Hero.

Don't worry, when she goes to address the ECA she will be opposed to restrictions of free speech by video game legislation. She never says anything that the crowd she is trying to gain support from will take offense.

On the plus side, once federal legislation gets struck down in such public forum the debate should end much more quickly.

Closing bold tags

@ GoodRobotUs:

Amen to our message

Can you buy Penthouse/Hustler if you are under 18?

@ Benji:

Fair enough. What would you recommend?

As for the mentions of the electoral college: It's a crap system for a couple of reasons, but the main one that irks me is that someone can win the presidency with a minority of the popular vote. Never mind that it's unlikely to happen or that it only can happen by a slim margin - a democracy shouldn't run in such a way that the majority voice is ignored.

@Benji

We're a constitutional republic, not a 'democracy'.

"...I did so because I felt that video game content was getting increasingly violent and sexually explicit..."

Ya, well, legislations shouldn't be proposed on feelings... EVER. I feel that you shouldn't be running for president, I be a lot of people don, and yet, here you are, in bold defiance to our feelings. Maybe what an individual FEELS shouldn't have anything to do with politics and law in general? Maybe these sort of decisions should be left up to logical people with common sense, not a group of retards who want to ride the bandwagon all the way to the White House.

Regardless of what Mrs. Clinton feels, games aren't getting more sexually explicit, and last I checked, 'Niptuck' was still on the air with all of it's rape, and sex and adult content, and the series 24 was still critically acclaimed. Videogames, on the other hand, are a selective media that only get exposed to the people who have chosen to play them. You'll never accidentally flip past pornography while playing just about any Videogame out them.

"Research has shown that violent and sexually explicit media contribute to aggressive behavior, early sexual experimentation, obesity, and depression."

Cite some facts of shut up with this same old B.S. I'm so tired of these generic 'research' and 'studies' claims because every one of them either didn't actually happen, or is a study about something completely different taken out of context.

Research has shown that violent and sexually explicit media contribute to aggressive behavior, early sexual experimentation, obesity, and depression.

what fucking research bitch

@John Kanders,

No, but I can buy Marvel Comics.

I think BearDogg-X said it best. Both Hillary and Not so Common Sense Media can both go to hell.

If she's the front runner, I hope whoever's running against her wins, or we'd all be in trouble.

Is any one really surprised by this? Its more of the same from the Clinton camp.

Gamer's don't stand united on things like this because I think most if us are old enough to realize that voting on a singular issue, like video games, won't get anything solved. We can't change people's perceptions via legislation or litigation. If we want to change the public perception of gaming we have to start at the level of the individual.

There are always going to be pandering politicians, and people who want to sue everything they don't like out of existence. Things aren't going to change overnight.

Altair Says:
“It is rare that the Electoral votes differ from popular votes, and Gore BARELY won that.”

Conejo says:
so the whole while they were saying “every vote counts” and watching Florida like a hawk three other whole states hadn’t tallied any votes. THREE ENTIRE STATES did not count in the election.
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I was just going off of what i read about the popular vote in that election. the margin was 47.9% of popular votes to 48.4% in favor of Gore, with the rest going to the Green Party and other minor parties. I was 10 at the time, so cut me a little slack there. The Electoral college serves as a "Safety net" for the public. Ill spare you all the Government lesson and just say that pretty much everyone f***** up, and at this point, it is irrelivent.

Back on topic, I still stand by my belief that middle ground needs to be
re-established in politics, instead of this pigheadedness and bickering we see today. They want to restrict violent media, when THEY THEMSELVES act like nothing more than little kids bickering on a playground. Does anybody else see a problem with that?

As I said before I'll say again: Another reason for me not to vote for her and another to vote for Barack.

@BlackIce

Which can be fixed easier, Hillary's or the republicans.

Certain social policies once put into effect can't be removed. Atleast not without a full governmental collapse and/or a complete disappearance of the groups that cannot survive without them.

Bad fiscal policy while damaging in the short and the long term, can be removed and later repaired.

Im not willing to vote for Hillary over any of the republican candidates, she scares me that much.

If she tries to bring the Family Protection Act back she will have to fight so many organizations. Shall we list off those organizations she will have to fight off, oh lets see, the VGVN, (Video Game Voter's Network) the ESA, the ESRB and not to mention possibly the ECA. Bring it on Hilary, these guys shot down the FEPA bill once we can sure as heck do it again. You will not be able to try and force government regulation down our throats. There has been no studies that show direct causation of video games making minors more violent. Good luck Hilary, your sure as heck going to need it.

@GoodRobot

The thing to keep in mind is that we are the whip when it comes to politicians and its long past time that we reminded them of that fact.

A while back I really thought Hillary would be able to help support the country as Prez. However, if she's willing to blame video games for problems that adults should be handling, I think my vote will go to Obama.

Quote "Whenever I meet young parents… they tell me that they are worried about losing control over the raising of their own children and about ceding the responsibility of implicating values and behaviors to a multi-dimensional media marketplace over which they have no control…" End quote

Now replace "ceding the responsibility of implicating values and behaviors to a multi-dimensional media markeplace over which they have no control..." with the following.

"ceding the responsibility of implicating values and behaviors to a big brother style government over which they have no control..."

@jonwanker...

Certain people would say that proved you were a gamer....

jonwanker,

I'd vote Guiliani and not look back. He's got a sordid personal life, so does she - that's a non-factor. He's wishy-washy on immigration, but really thats not a big issue, because I think a secure border and time will straighten that issue out. His anti/pro abrotion stance means that issue isn't important enough for him to lean havily on once elected, and really this issue is less important - not matter your stance, abortion rates are way down. I'm sure many folks don't like his foreign policy tack, but I do.

So I'm not seeing how he's nearly as bad a choice as Hitlery. Do tell.

I took the liberty of going to Hitlery's website and posting the following comment. Not that it would do any good, but I needed to vent...at least in the direction of the source.

"Any candidate that seeks to trample the first amendment has lost my vote. You, Mrs. Clinton have lost my vote.

Your recent comments about seeking to regulate the videogame industry based on "assumed" or non-existant research is troubling. I, for one, do not want the government to regulate content that is appropriate to my child. You said it takes a village to raise a child, but what you are proposing is a Gestapo.

If you allow yourself to follow misleading or fabricated research, you'll wind up in a war with Iraq. I thought that recent history what have told you that.

It's also foolish to try and regulate pop culture just because you do not understand it. I would have thought that the 50's and Rock and Roll would have taught you that. Or do you still believe that Elvis is the root of all evil?

A large portion of the american populace are video gamers, and we are watching. In a presidential race as close as this one, you might reconsider your intentions to violate our civil rights."

Ok having never posted here before I feel the need as one of ours has just commited the same offense that we bashed the NY Gov for earlier this week.

-To Austin Lewis:
I took your advice and looked up the things you mentioned about Sen. Obama as I had not heard about this. Guess what I found...

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/cnn-obama-debunk/

Yes, that's right. People reporting information without checking their facts. I understand that we all feel strongly about Hilary and the upcoming election, but lets please try to not fall into the same traps and pitfalls that we critcize others for.

-Azzedar

If Ron Paul were elected federal government would have no say in the video game industry. That mean Congress can NOT set video game legislation and most of this B.S. would be dealt with.

Grats Hillary. You just made Obama my choice for the Dems. Go Ron Paul for republicans!

@ GP- Edit button please.

@Brett Schenker

At the beginning of their campaigns I did just that, sending e-mail after e-mail to each of the candidates. All I got back was a form letter that, in short, said "Thank you for your concern on the hoppidy go screw yourself (Iraq War, Gay Marriage, how much Romney wants to kill us all) and please donate money to our campaign."

I would not expect any diffrent now. They never read the damn things anyway.

@Archgabe,

The problem is, a lot of politicians don't trust the Inter-tubes. I've had better results from writing to politicians by hand and sending it through the mail service. Personally, I think politicians consider Emails to be like 'Post-It' notes, whereas a hand-written letter is something with some time and energy behind it, so they tend to pay more attention.

@Azzedar.

My point was that it WAS false, but its also the first thing your average American thinks of when they hear the name Obama.

@MR.B

Now that gives a new definition to Hipocracy. I reccomend you take a long holiday after watching that.

letters get lost. e-mail gets deleted.
so i called Senator Clinton's DC office to voice my disapproval. the very nice and helpful staffer on the other end gave me her candidacy phone number where such disapproval is better dealt with:

703-469-2008.

if you disapprove of trampling over the 1st amendment, call and tell her so.

@Conejo

Even better. A phone call cannot be ignored, and shows you are prepared to stand up and be recognised for your opinion. That is one of the main differences between Email and other forms of communication, you can use fake accounts etc, whereas letters and phone calls are a far more accepted way of communicating.

@Conejo


Methinks you are making it to easy. Of course with a phone number available it is much hard to just sit and complain instead of actually taking action. Will it make a difference? Not likely but it is still better than nothing, there does come a time when one needs to take a stand.

//Rant off//

Thanks btw and good job

also, to add:

if you call, be civil. the people on the other end of the phone were very nice to me and listened to my complaint and said they would pass it along the appropriate channels (along with, i'm sure, all other complaints).

they are doing their jobs and it's not going to help anyone if you're rude to them. you can disagree without being a jerk.

Some of these comments make me weep for the future of our country.

@ Conejo

True, true.

It also isn't bad to make grouping comments when you call. Say... Mentioning that a certain lawyer in Florida also feels this way and tries to accomplish the task of constraining games, rights be damned.

Just let them know that if she's going to take the side JT does it's a poor decision that one who wants to run the country shouldn't be making.

All in all it's best to simply be civil. An I don't agree with her position and here's why statement is best.

Ok I'm just echoing Conejo now... 'Nuff said.

I don't know how accurate the numbers are, but it makes a good point. Out of our US Congress:
*29 have been accused of spousal abuse
*7 have been arrested for fraud
*19 have been accused of writing bad checks
*117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
*3 have done time for assault
*71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
*14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
*8 have been arrested for shoplifting
*21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
*84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year

And these are the people that "young parents" want to have decide what is and is not acceptable for their children.

Despite the fact that I'm a conservative in principle, I have no problem voting for a Democrat if they're a better option than a Republican. The problem is, every Democrat I've ever heard wants to protect "a woman's right to choose" and though I see no reason to get into it here, that reason alone will stop me from voting for a Democrat every time.

What's scary is that the US doesn't want to elect a Republican. But they're not likely to elect a woman or a black man either, so really, I have no idea how 2008's going to pan out.

And by the way, I'm 25. And conservative. Wrap your brain around that one.

Lastly, to the people that say they won't vote if they don't like the candidates, there's a neat little thing called a write-in. Frankly, if you don't vote, in my view, you give up your right to comment about the results.

Senator Clinton has NO BUISNESS and is in NO POSITION to legislate against game content in any way, shape, or form. This is the same person who accepted campaign contributions from rapper Timbaland, whose lyrics are NOT family-friendly to say the very least.

yeah, so i guess it is ok to yank a videogame that was sold without the programmed access to this games dirty content, but leave all the other R-rated films containing extreme violence and 'american' nudity on the shelves right next to it...any one of which can also be modified to anyone's desire via computers in any way desired by savvy pc users.-and without a access mod or code!
Has Hilary ever read the[really researched] FEDERAL reports that violence among young adults has actually gone DOWN drastically, even during the emergence of all of these 'Scary' games??

BTW: Wii sports is NOT a physical activity anymore than mud slinging is. Come on ppl.

And hey "Afecks": you say after pointing out the alarming criminal stats on congress, "Despite the fact that I’m a conservative in principle, I have no problem voting for a Democrat if they’re a better option than a Republican. The problem is, every Democrat I’ve ever heard wants to protect “a woman’s right to choose” ...so, you are saying you would allow those same congressman choosing for you if YOU are allowed to have an abortion or not as well????? wow

good point theshroomguy;)

"Watch a GOP debate and identify one candidate that emphasizes separation of church and state."

Ron Paul.

'democratic frontrunner...'

Oh, bloody hell.

"Whenever I meet young parents… they tell me that they are worried about losing control over the raising of their own children and about ceding the responsibility of implicating values and behaviors to a multi-dimensional media marketplace over which they have no control…"

My addition next, from Clinton's POV:

"However, I feel I would be much better equipped to tell these parents what to do, as they do not know how to do it themselves. This is not their problem, it is the media's."

Jesus.

Sounds like Jackass thompson to me.

@Jim Anderson

"Enough people have already been harmed by this dangerous product."


Provide evidence for this statement.

@Jim Anderson
I thought you were banned...Jack Thompson.

"Studies have found that exposure to TV violence can increase the risk of aggressive behavior in children and may be related to attention problems later in life. And some experts say that time spent watching too much TV or surfing the Internet or playing video games may detract from the time children spend interacting with their parents, participating in physical activity, or using their imaginations."


This is just pure rubbish comming from Senator Clinton who she herself has never grew up with videogames or the internet...

I have grown up with TV, Internet and also a loving pashion of Videogames and even did an essay about Videogames that you can now see in the GP forum and also on my Deviant Art account

When it comes to imagination, well videogames have expanded my own imaginations, and even though I can't talk to my own parents about how much I know about videogames, I still let them know that I love my mom and dad and I talk to my dad about many various political issues that he can talk to me about...

Mrs Clinton has got no right to say what she has been saying without someone who is a gamer rebutting her comments.

this is what I have been doing in my essay and to make a clear point that Videogames 'NEVER' have increased my own agressive behaviour in real life because I can get my own emotions out in videogames where no one ever gets hurt...

Also I love playing games like Mario, Pokemon and the Legend of Zelda, they are still popular games so by saying that Videogames are getting too violent or sexually explicit is only focusing on the ugly and negative parts of videogames but NOT even considering the more positive and beautiful parts of videogames at all...

more needs to be talked about the beautiful parts of videogames that are out there have have always been out there since the Videogame Industry started in the 1970's...back then all there was was PONG, Space Invaders and also Death Race...

There is still the same mix of This Ugly Yet Beautiful World of Videogames that has always been around but sadly these Politicians like Hillary Clinton ONLY focuses on the negative part of videogames and NEVER on the positive parts of videogames that need to be talk about more...

TBone Tony

@ Pandralisk

supports mandatory school prayer, -- Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. Where are you getting this from your dead link? He supports you being able to do it on your own, since some people want to ban it outright.

opposes the minium wage -- Again, whiskey tango foxtrot. I haven't seen this.

wishes to destory the department of education -- And this is a bad thing? They're a useless beaurocracy that just lets the federal government bully state governments for pissing them off when they do things like oppose and refuse to comply with RealID. Education is already handled at a state level, anyways.

advocates a shift to consumption taxation, desires to dismantle social security, and effectively cripple the federal government for future generations, =).-- Kay, so he's opposed to the welfare state? And I don't see how dismantling useless departments like Education 'cripples the federal government for future generations'.

Anyways, Hillary sucks. This is somehow news?

Jim Anderson is Jack Thompson. J as in Jim or ummm JACK and the son in Anderson is Thompson. J son= Jack Thompson!!!!!!!

@ Jack, or is it Jim? No, its got to be Jack. The post lacks any creativity and its bland as hell, yup its Jack for sure.

So you came back for more. Man that post sucks. It sounds like it came out of a script that was used in a bad early 90's infomercial.

Johnny Bruce Thompson...
(1)Failed lawyer
(2)Professional massacre chaser
(3)Failed book author
(4)Internet troll

Great credentials there, eh Johnny?

After losing your latest attempt at suing the video game industry, you come back to GP's website under the name "Jim Anderson" after being banned multiple times for internet trolling. Good thing you have other income sources to help you on your endless quest of foolishness...

In case anyone is still interested in the Presidential Candidates, I know of one site that gives a great deal of information about each of the candidates, including the Independants and others.

http://www.vote-smart.org/

Some of you may know about others, but this is the one I use. Let me know if you know of other more comprehensive ones. I like the level of detail there, but if there is more to know, I'd like access to it.

Thanks.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software

@Jack
The world (and the legal system for that manner) don't make their decisions based on hear say. If the world worked that way, you might have won a legal case during the past 3 years. Plus you would have also went bald and the only hair that you would have grown is the hair in your palms.

now that i think about it, jim anderson and william crump are probably the same person, cant think of any reason other than a computer problem for why someone would put slashes before quote marks.

Johnny Bruce Thompson has shown he can be civil for limited periods of time, so I still think it's him.

Clinton would probably suck off half of America if it meant being president.

[...] Source: GamePolitics [...]

Vote for Ron Paul.

Senator Clinton is absolutely correct on this video game issue and what to do about it. If elected, she will propose and secure passage of a federal law to prohibit the sale of mature games to kids. There is a constitutional way to do it.

Actually, there IS no constitutional way to do it. Ever heard of Equal Protection? That means that if you're going to regulate Games, you'll have to regulate Television and Movies the same way. Maybe even books.

Re-read the constitution, and get back to me when you've got 2 brain cells to rub together.

People, people, lets get one thing straight here: Jack Thompson almost always announces himself. The people here who have \ slashes infront of their apostraphies and quotation marks are NOT JT... they're something else entirely, but they're just as dumb. Moreover, they're all cowards - so far, they have yet to respond to any of the posts we make contradicting their farsicle claims.

Apparently Hillary equates violent video games with alcohol, since that is the same exact punishment for PURPOSEFULLY giving or selling alcohol in a lot of states. The fact that she wishes to punish managers with the same punishment for ACCIDENTALLY selling a minor a video game means she must consider them to be more harmful to kids than alcohol.

Dingbat.

"time spent watching too much TV or surfing the Internet or playing video games may detract from the time children spend interacting with their parents, participating in physical activity, or using their imaginations. "

..........Their isnt anything to do outside anymore when will these people pull their heads out of their asses and relize that neighborhood kids dont all get together and play baseball anymore,you know why? that baseball field is now a parking lot.

"When I am president, I will work to protect children from inappropriate video game content."

wow this bitch is arrogant,when...how about if

..I dont believe Hilary for a second of course shes going to make her old plans look all nice and plesant and try to appear pro game since mostly gamers will see this

she wont be getting my vote either.

83% of statisics are made up on the spot.

@Murry

"and the vote of anyone who still cherishes the 1st admendment and/or is smart enough to see that this would creep into other forms of media as well"

Yeah, she's only lost the Gamers vote.

@KWarp

what she says, and what she is actually doing are two different things. anyone can bullsh-t an article

@DigDug

Uhh, isn't that the way it was supposed to be? I'm pretty sure that's why states have their own constitutions and all of them offer protection under a free speech amendment so unless the state congress tries and change the state constitution, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

@Pandralisk

You do realize how Social (In)Security came about don't you? Or how horridly it's been managed by the feds... The US board of edumakayshun really serves no real or good purpose, unless you think our failing education system is good. The more federal government intrudes into the private sector the more it becomes corrupt and the more stupid the people involved with it get. Why does the government need to be involved? Why can't people do things for themselves instead of relying on crutches enacted by FDR 70+ years ago that were in part supposed to be temporary.

Umm.. soo.. some of the candidates are targeting violent games.. while America has the ever so slight problem of guns being readily available.

*sigh*

note: the above should say "find myself in agreement with"

If Hillary had common sense, she should've realized that San Andreas was already rated for older people, so if parents picked those up for younger kids, they're morons. Plus Rockstar can't be responsible for some 30-something year old hacker still living in their parents' basement who has way too much free time on his hands and can't find a girlfriend unlocking something that was never meant to be unlocked in the first place.

@Pandralisk
"almost 1/3 of all American workers recieve less than a living wage. "

This is because almost 1/3 of all American workers do unskilled labor. Maybe they should get a GED and then they could at least make 20 dollars an hour.

Working at places like McDonalds was never meant to be a job you could live off of, more like a temporary thing until you got a better job or education.

"most US workers cannot collectively bargain for higher wages and better working conditions. Corporations have taken power away from the people..."

Actually, UNIONS have taken away that power from the people. Unions are the ones who supposedly 'fight for the working man'. Except they don't. Union bosses make 250K USD a year, and they do nothing for it.b

"The private sector has infiltrated Washington politics so deeply that sectors typically acknowledged as a right, such as healthcare, have been commercialized against the will of the people [40 million uninsured, millions more underinsured, 50% of all bankruptices do to healthcare expenses]"

Emergency Room care is free for people who are on Disability and certain other government programs in public hospitals. If you work harder or have a skill that's more valuable than turning out hundreds of 1 dollar cheeseburgers at McDonalds, then you can afford better healthcare. If you have no skill, you don't deserve to make nearly as much as a doctor.
b
"Republicans seem all too willing to let corporatations walk over the American people and infiltrate our lives, owing their ignorance to their own greedy intrests and gilded models of capitalism."

This is interesting, seeing as democrats seem willing to let both corporations AND the government tell you what to do all the fucking time.

The government can work, but when it gets too big it does not.

We don't need all these programs.

In Indianapolis, there's a program called 'beautify downtown' (or at least there was) that received 4 million dollars a year. It was spent on giving hoodlums spray paint, letting them spray paint whatever they wanted, and then cleaning it when they spray painted cars, buses, houses, etc.

@Austin

"This is because almost 1/3 of all American workers do unskilled labor. Maybe they should get a GED and then they could at least make 20 dollars an hour."

Mmmm... the myth of bootstrapping capitalism. Perhaps the greatest lie lurking deep within the ignorant conservative mythos. Cute, isn't it? One fact remains: some people MUST work the "unskilled" jobs you reference. And many people DO depend of these jobs to sustain their lives. The issue is not the people, but rather the positions themselves. Why do we allow people to work for less than a living wage, while corporations are reaping profits, channeled into the hands of CEO's who make hundreds of millions of dollars every year? You'd be surprised at median wages, the unethical behavior of the service industry, lack of jobs in many sectors, and the enormous number of UNDERemployed Americans. All of this occurs while the top 10% of Americans hold more wealth than the bottom 50%, combined. Keep closing your eyes and living in the fantasy world of conservative economics.

"Actually, UNIONS have taken away that power from the people. Unions are the ones who supposedly ‘fight for the working man’. Except they don’t. Union bosses make 250K USD a year, and they do nothing for it.b"

...while corporate CEO's make hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Your point if flawed on an entirely different level though. Outsourcing has made collective bargaining all but impossible. Want to form a union and push for a living wage so you can feed your kids? That's fine. Form your union. We'll move the factory to China in two years. Good luck finding another job. In the service industry, most retail and service workers can be dismissed or fired from a company if they express even mild interest in collective bargaining.

"This is interesting, seeing as democrats seem willing to let both corporations AND the government tell you what to do all the fucking time."

Goverment telling you what to do? That seems like a Republican philosophy, friend. On the most obvious levels, I don't see many Democrats calling for legislation that prevents homosexuals from partaking in equal rights. Nor do I see them trying to strike down Roe v. Wade. Nor do I see them enforcing Christian norms. Nor do I see them catering to religious intrests. Many democrats do bow before their corporate donors, but the party's fundamental governing philosophy stands in opposition of the corporate sector.

"Emergency Room care is free for people who are on Disability and certain other government programs in public hospitals. If you work harder or have a skill that’s more valuable than turning out hundreds of 1 dollar cheeseburgers at McDonalds, then you can afford better healthcare. If you have no skill, you don’t deserve to make nearly as much as a doctor."

And maybe this is why thousands of Americans die every year because they cannot afford decent health care. For example, I encourage you to examine a recent AMA study that concluded that those who are uninsured, or underinsured, have a 60% greater chance to die of cancer.

In 2000, the World Health Organization compared health systems of 191 countries and found of the five measured performance indicators, the U.S. ranked 37th. In 2002, the U.S. spent more on health care per person than other industrial countries like Britain, Canada, France, and Germany. The U.S. has over 47 million Americans who lack health coverage. Americans spend far more on health care than their counterparts abroad - but they don't actually receive more care. Even though we spend more per capita, one out of every six Americans is unable to access health care services at all.

The poor are treated with less respect, given less choice of service providers and offered lower- quality amenities. In trying to buy health from their own pockets, they pay and become poorer. About 50% of all personal bankruptcies in the U.S. are a direct result of medical problems. In America, we have a substantially lower life expectancy and higher infant-mortality than most other advanced countries. A large percentage of our neighbors who are not uninsured are actually "under-insured" - meaning that they may know that there are great services and tests available, but their own health plans don't "cover" them. Experts agree that our U.S. health care system is riddled with inefficiencies, excessive administrative expenses, inflated prices, poor management, and inappropriate care, waste and fraud.

@Pandralisk

For example, my mom can't work(due to a medical problem), and there aren't many jobs in my area, so money is extremely tight for us right now.

Hell, the trailer park we livein was about to sue us for money we don't have. Ya, rent is WAY more important than eating

@Austin Lewis

Well it's pretty damned obvious you don't live in that class then. My family can be considered down there and we hardly eat any of the crap you just stated we do, unless I missed something.

@kurisu
My dad got his GED in order to enter the army while working 10 hour workdays. Demand so much my ass.

And no, I don't live in that class. I have for parts of my life, but I worked hard so that I can sit in a nice house with a swimming pool and play guitar when I'm not working my ass off.

I find her laugh to send more chills down my spine than where she stands on the issues. Does anyone else feel the same way?

@Jim Anderson

I'm still waiting for your evidence of the people video games have harmed.

In addition I would also like some proof that Cho played Counter-Strike or any game other than Sonic the Hedgehog in his high school days.

@ ApokalypseNow

We know it's not Jack. It's the wrong IP address.

@Austin Lewis

Lucky bastard.. Wait.. There's no point in having a pool here, rains too much.

Hi All,

Hillary, doesn't have the slightest clue having lived in both the White House, and Bill's place - for what now - 10 -12 years.

I guess she has a real attitude developed from her / his daughter?

What games are Bill playing. C'mon get a life. The Internet is Global. I'm not a Gamer, but for her to speak about anything related to Games is stupid.

Wasn't the same thing said before about Video content? Didn't Bill introduce the V-Chip or something like that?

@ John J. Macey

Welcome.

IIRC, it was Joe Lieberman that sponsored the bill mandating the V-chip in the TV sets. Bill Clinton signed it into law.

i find it so stupid that people were so angry to get mad about the hot coffee mod, and how much harm it would do their children... first of all, that game was ALREADY RATED M. no one under the age of 17 should be playing it anyway!

i used to work at a video game store, and you would not believe how many parents simply don't take the time to listen when you tell them about why a game is rated the way it is. at least once a week, i had minors coming up to my counter with gta/dead to rights/max payne/manhunt/anything else m, and when i asked the parent with them if they were certain they wanted to buy a game with excessive blood, prostitution, drugs, language, and explicit sexual content for their obviously-not-of-age child, they typically looked at me like i had three heads, made a snotty remark about how it's not my job to parent their kids for them, and buy the game.

so sad. this legislation will never work, simply because it doesn't do anything about the parents who refuse to educate their children or learn about their children's interests. people need to be more responsible on their own.

[...] An article over at gamepolitics.com tells of Hilary Clinton taking a public stand in favor of shielding children from game and other animation content that she deems inappropriate. Quote: “When I am president, I will work to protect children from inappropriate video game content.” [...]

I find it disturbing that so many folks appeal to the Constitution without stating up front the simple position that no, children under a certain age probably shouldn't be playing heavily violent or sexual videogames. I realize it's a hot topic, but come on.

"Whenever I meet young parents… they tell me that they are worried about losing control over the raising of their own children and about ceding the responsibility of implicating values and behaviors to a multi-dimensional media marketplace over which they have no control…"

...What about losing control over the raising of their own children and about ceding the responsibility of implicating values and behaviors to the federal government? Isn't that a thousand times more dangerous than a TV that any parent is clearly capable of turning off?

@mike,
and many of us find it disturbing that people want to make laws regarding this without stating up front either the first amendment or equality amongst all media.

Many studies have found a link between violent media and aggressive tendencies (coming from someone who plays violent video games and watches violent movies myself.)

The MPAA's 'self regulation' is abhorrant and would be better replaced by an open, transparent, voter controlled institution with public oversight.

Who would you rather put your trust in? A privately funded industry trade group who has to answer to nobody or a public organization who answers to you the tax payer?

Everything she suggested are things that the video games industry *THEMSELVES* are trying to do except for the ability to actually prosecute anybody who breaks the policies.

She's not even saying that parents can't let kids play violent videogames. She's just saying the kid shouldn't be able to buy them on his own without parental consent. How is that giving the government responsibility for parenting!?

If you want to walk into walmart and purchase that AO copy of manhunt and you're over 18 none of this legislatin will in any manner or form even slighlty affect you except the need to pull out an ID.

REGULATING the game industry would be censoring games and saying "You can't release games with lots of violence or sexual themes." That's not what's happening.

If I had a 12 year old kid and they walked into an EBGames and asked for a playboy magazine I would hope they would have to show ID and have parental consent. That's not the governemnt interfering with my parenting. That's the government ensuring I'm *able* to parent effectively.

@Gavin Greenwalt

No studies have ever found a link between violent media and aggressive behavior. At best, some studies have found a weak correlation, but that is it. And as we all know, correlation doesn't equal causation.

Also if we're going to start restricting Free Speech on the basis of helping parents as you say, we'd have to bar the sale of all free speech materials to minors as just about everything out there would be found unsuitable or inappropriate in the eyes of some parents.
Example: Atheist, Jewish and Muslim parents don't want their kids reading the Holy Bible, so that would have to be banned for those under 18. Religious fundamentalist parents don't want their kids reading Harry Potter novels or Charles Darwin's The Origin of the Species, so those would have to be barred for those under 18. Liberal parents don't want their kids reading conservative literature and vise versa for conservative parents and liberal literature so those would have to be barred for those under 18 to.
The fact of the matter is, in the end it's the sole responsibility of the parents to make sure their children aren't getting ahold of Free Speech material they don't want them to have, whether it be the Holy Bible, Harry Potter books, or violent movies and video games.

@ Gavin Greenwalt

Those same studies aren't worth the paper they were printed on.

As I've stated earlier in this thread, and for the last three years here, if you’re going to infringe on a Constitutional right like freedom of speech based on the claim that the speech in question is “dangerous”, then you better damn well show the American people absolute proof of that. A weak correlation is far from absolute proof. It’s NEVER been done. There is no proof that any harm will come of anyone playing a “violent” video game.

If there is a danger so clear and so threatening to the American people that causes these self-righteous hypocrite politicians to step on the First Amendment, wouldn’t any rational thinking person have to believe that the danger would have to be so obvious and clear that there would be no argument against it? Especially since you’re directly contradicting a Constitutional amendment with this garbage legislation.

We, the American people, simply have not been given any valid reason to believe that this abridging of our freedom of speech is necessary. There just simply isn’t any evidence at all of any danger from “violent” video games. This “protection” from “violent” video games isn’t needed nor wanted, but please feel free to use everyone’s tax dollars for protection from things like a 10-foot storm surge from a Category 3 to 5 hurricane or the fuselage of a 747 airplane entering our workplaces or our houses.

Besides that, the sales data doesn't support their belief that a "kid shouldn’t be able to buy them on his own without parental consent".
-According to the NPD Group, M rated games only account for 15% of all game sales.
-The Federal Trade Commission and the ESA found that 90% of those sales are to parents.
-The FTC's last report earlier this year showed that minors were blocked from buying M-rated games 42% of the time

Let’s see….15% of total sales, 10% of that is 1.5% and 42% of that is 0.63% of all game sales. To say that this "issue" has been a lost cause is an understatement. Focusing on 0.63% of all game sales shows how dumb Hillary Clinton really is.

And Wal-Mart doesn't sell AO-rated games anyway, so your point is moot.

If I had a 12 year old kid and they walked into an EBGames and asked for a playboy magazine I would hope they would have to show ID and have parental consent.

Go watch "The Bad News Bears in Breaking Training" and get back to us on that. Kids are smarter than anyone ever gives them credit for.

Ignorance causes violence, not videogames, if i may quote the guys from Ctrl+Alt+del

[...] Non bastano i già esistenti limiti d’età imposti sui videogames, qualora venisse eletta, Hilary Clinton si adopererà per censurarli ancor più drasticamente. La notizia non è nuova, si discute da tempo sul materiale più o meno sessualmente esplicito che troviamo all’interno dei Videogames (vedi Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas) ma mai si era andati oltre le parole. Tra tutti gli estratti proposti da Gamepolitics, due sono veramente interessanti: When I introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act [FEPA] two years ago, I did so because I felt that video game content was getting increasingly violent and sexually explicit, yet young people were able to purchase these games with relative ease while their parents were struggling to keep up with being informed about the content. I was motivated to take action when I found out that there was embedded illicit sexual content in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. The [ESRB] was unaware of the embedded content. I called on the FTC to investigate the source of the content and, as a result, the company issued a recall of the game. When I am president, I will work to protect children from inappropriate video game content. [...]

Thus starts the zombification of America! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......(Spit)

"As a young parent myself I find it amusing that they blame TV, the internet, and video games for the problems of a child; Last time I checked it was the parents responsibility to raise their kids, its not that hard to turn off the t.v. and go outside and play with your kids, but in this day and age people don’t have the “time” to spend with their kids, or in other words are too lazy to raise them.

The government needs to back off trying to regulate things that Parents are more than capable of doing, it is not any industries fault that a parent remains to be ignorant of the world around them, and chooses not to do research on what they should let their children consume.

Thats my rant .
"
Hilary just got pwned by a young parent.

Maybe this sort of thing wouldn't happen and be blown up to what it is if the ESRB hired staff more qualified to do their jobs in the first place...i.e. gamers.......then they would know what they are looking for in a rating!

I can't stand this. It's a ridiculous infringement of the First Amendment for complete bullshit reasons.

Obama FTW.

Thank God for H clinton. That fact is that parents dont care what there kids play and that's SAD!!! And IM so happy for some one putting there foot down on this video game shit. yes IM 24 and love games but most time now what is in the game takes the fun right out of it.

GTA I'll see you in He!!

[...] Amerykanom trudno jest ju? nie dostrzega? znaczenia gier we wspó?czesnej kulturze, ale te? - a mo?e przede wszystkim - na rynku i w biznesie. I to wcale nie wy??cznie dlatego, ?e tamtejszy przemys? elektronicznej rozrywki w ubieg?ym roku przyniós? dochody o warto?ci niemal 18 miliardów dolarów, przewy?szaj?c tym samym pod tym wzgl?dem przemys? filmowy i muzyczny. W USA nawet politycy, czy to senatorowie, czy kandydaci na prezydenta, uznaj? za stosowne wypowiada? si? w kwestii gier i zwi?zanego z nimi ustawodawstwa. U nas w ostatnich latach jedynie Roman Giertych napomkn?? co nieco na ten temat, a i wówczas wypowied? jego bezpo?rednio zainspirowana by?a rozmow? z greck? minister edukacji. Afer? z zawieraj?c? rzekomo antypolskie akcenty gr? Codename: Panzers pomijam, poniewa? dotyczy?a nie gier jako takich, a historycznego przek?amania, na które jako naród wyczuleni jeste?my bez wzgl?du na to, w jakim medium si? pojawia. [...]

Obama’s Dirty Tricks?

Dear Sisters and Brothers for Hillary,

Let me call to Hillary’s attention to what is being said about her and Bill and Chelsea on one very nasty pro-Obama website I came across, www.matrix-evolutions.com. They are actually connecting up Bill’s Monica tryst with parental sexual abuse on Chelsea if you can believe it! Whether it is better not paid attention to or countered, I don’t know, but somebody who does know what the right response is should be made aware of this. The beginning of this website. which focuses on the election reads:

We are scientists who derive our politics from an evolutionary perspective, not from conservative ideology. Our analysis concludes that our so-called war on terror is slowly but surely taking us to World War III. Note Putin’s 2/8/08 call for a renewed arms race to counter America’s efforts to conquer the world. For that reason we support Barack Obama as the only real anti-war candidate, the only one who can keep such a nuclear tipped train wreck from happening.

As to Hillary Clinton, recall during their populist administration that President Bill and missus, while promising health care they never delivered, did deliver more police and prisons, and took our jail population to the highest per-capita level in the world. This statistic, ahem, is historically associated with hardened police states like Stalinist Russia and apartheid South Africa. We all know that spitting on the street nowadays will get you six months in jail. But of course we’re not a police state, because if we were, you’d have heard about it on the evening news.

The Clintons as president also made their upper class handlers happy by ending LBJs war on poverty, which brought about the vast population of homeless beggars we see on the streets of America today. Pearls for the wealthy, evictions for the rest of us. Don’t laugh. It could happen to you. Wait until the recession, caused primarily by our trillion dollar War in Iraq, gets into high gear. Goodbye nest egg when the market totally collapses. Goodbye home thanks to the Shylock mortgage brokers in bed with the conservatives. Hello suffering on the street with your kids in a foster home.

Actually Hillary does have a few things she can be very proud of. She is a most talented actress, a profoundly adept social climber and a top paid shill of the upper class. She is our American Evita and almost everybody loves her style. But whatever her talents and personal accomplishments, she is not going to go against the wishes of the ruling clique who created her and Bill and stop their war.

Some think that Hillary would never lie to us. But Bill also insisted he would never lie to us and is so amazingly good an actor, almost as good as his wife, that we yet believe him even after the tape recording caught him with the cigar between Monica’s legs. What character is there in a first family when the head of the most powerful nation on earth is sticking a penile object, not even his own, up some college kid’s vagina? Does anybody think Hillary felt personally bad about the Monica thing other than not having her usual go with one of Bill’s girls? Watch the conservatives bring forth one of Hillary’s lovers soon to clarify her tastes in this area. Indeed, one would not be surprised if the less than confident, slightly retarded, persona Chelsea Clinton was condemned to live her life with derives from her pervert parents abusing her when she was four years old. Certainly there is as much truth in this conjecture as in the equally outrageous conjecture that the Clintons are not good people even though they go to church every Sunday. If evil is badness that comes from an unexpected source, the Clintons are evil enough to have shit stuffed in their mouths and be set on fire. That’s an opinion of their character, not a threat on their lives, for all you hate speech monitors out there.

Unfortunately, though, short of a revolution, we may be stuck with another Clinton figurehead presidency, for our evolutionary analysis shows clearly that while biological evolution is not of intelligent design, our presidential elections are. They are intelligently designed by the conservative ruling clique that has hold of our media and our courts, including our Supreme Court, which designed the last election outcome. Which all of you meekly accepted because the majority of Americans are basically passive cowards who lack the courage it takes to stand up to tyranny. The upper classes would never allow Obama to become president and stop the war. They would assassinate him first, literally have him shot like Martin Luther King, if the media they control can’t derail his candidacy in a more subtle way. We reach these outrageous conclusions, not from bipolar disease, but from a firm scientific analysis whose details follow after we have introduced ourselves.

I hope this information helps.
Onward to victory,
Martha Turner

I have been playing video games since the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) when I was around the age of 3-4. I am currently part of a group that hold gaming events, etc. I've played just about every type of game be it violent or childish. I've done this while watching all the violent television shows and listening to so called "violent" music. I own many games (around 100 if not more) and several game systems. I've played games this long and still play up to 4-8 hours a weekday and around 20 hours throughout the weekend.

On the other side, I go to a college prep school (I have my entire life) with good grades. I plan on attending college next school year (2 years community and possibly 4 years at Virginia Tech) to possibly become a Computer Tech or an Architect. I love philosophy. I love politics. I love debate. I love grammar and writing. I am a photographer. I am a computer expert. I am a webmaster and designer. I manage many forums and websites. I am somewhat of a mechanic. I play some football and soccer. I also do a lot of work within my church. I do a lot of work with local music groups as well. I'm even engaged. I administrate a local organization that holds multiple large events every year.

... If I'm not getting through... I'm an 18 year old male living in Roanoke, VA. I have been a "hardcore gamer" my entire life and I plan on being a "gamer" for many years to come. I plan on allowing my children to be "gamers." Actually, I will encourage my children to do so. I have no regrets on this matter and I frown upon anyone who does. I'm not overly aggressive, obese, depressed, nor did I try early sexual experimentation, ha. I strongly disagree with Senator Clinton and anyone else who thinks the way she does about video games, etc.

If I'm not enough proof, I guarantee I could find more people who are like me then people who aren't.

Thanks,
Zach Wray

I agree with Hilary on this one.

And I don't have to justify it. I've seen too many young children play video games that are clearly NOT for them. Good for her for bringing attention to it.

btw, when I say young, I mean in the range of 6 through 9. A 6 year old should not be able to purchase a game like Grand Theft Auto or Manhunt.

Hillary and Bill Clinton have made a significant issue about how the press is treating Hillary unfairly in their hyper-critical reporting on her and their “softball” reporting on Barak Obama. Hillary maintains she has been fully investigated by the media and Barak hasn’t!

As the Tony Rezko trial begins in Chicago, Clinton and her surrogates are linking Obama to Rezko and the media is speculating about whether Obama will be called to testify as a witness in the case. Obama has always admitted he received $85,000 in contributions from Rezko which Obama has now donated to charity rather than keep.

Yet the civil fraud trial of Bill Clinton for defrauduing Hillary’s largest donor in 2000 into giving her campaign more than $1.2 million, pending in Los Angeles courts since 2003, is now preparing for a November, 2008 trial. The discovery that is now proceeding after a February 21 hearing, and the pending trial, have NEVER been announced by the mainstream media.

Hillary was able to extricate herself as a co-defendant in the case in January, 2008 after years of appeals to be protected by the First Amendment from tort claims arising out of federal campaign solicitations she made. Her abuse of the intent of California’s anti-SLAPP law after the California Supreme Court refused to dismiss her from the case in 2004 is emblematic of her contempt for the Rule of Law.

Hillary will be called as a witness in both discovery and the trial according to the trial court Judge who so-advised Hillary’s attorney David Kendall when he dismissed Hillary as a co-defendant in 2007. A subpoena is being prepared this month and will be served personally on Hillary, along with Chelsea, Pa Gov. Ed Rendell, Al Gore and other well known political and media figures.

Yet the media has refused to report about this landmark civil fraud case- brought by Hillary’s biggest 2000 donor to her Senate race, regarding allegations that were corroborated by the Department of Justice in the criminal trial of Hillary’s finance director David Rosen in May, 2005. That indictment and trial was credited as resulting from the civil suit’s allegations by Peter Paul, the Hollywood dot com millionaire Bill Clinton convinced to donate more than $1.2 million (according to the DOJ prosecutors and the FBI) to Hillary’s Senate campaign as part of a post White House business deal with Bill.

The media - except for World Net Daily- has also suspiciously refused to report on Hillary’s last FEC report regarding her 2000 Senate campaign, filed in January 30, 2006. In a secret settlement of an FEC complaint by the plaintiff in Paul v Clinton, Peter Paul, the FEC fined Hillary’s campaign $35,000 for hiding more than $720,000 in donations from Paul, and it required Hillary’s campaign to file a 4th amended FEC report.

In that report Hillary and her campaign again hid Paul’s $1.2 million contribution to her campaign and falsely attributed $250,000 as being donated by Paul’s partner, Spider Man creator Stan Lee, who swore in a video taped deposition he never gave Hillary or her campaign any money.

Lee did testify to trading $100,000 checks with Paul to make it appear he gave $100,000 to Hillary’s campaign (admission of a felony) but none of that has been reported by the “overly critical” media!

Where is the outrage from Obama that the press is engaging in a double standard relating to his possible role in the Rezko trial and his refunding the $85,000 contributed to his campaign by Rezko- which Obama has always admitted taking. The media makes no mention of Hillary’s role as a witness in Bill’s fraud trial for defrauding Hillary’s largest donor- and Hillary’s refusal to refund the $1.2 million she illegally received from Paul, which she has denied taking from Paul ever since the Washington Post asked her about Paul and his felony convictions from the 1970’s before her first Senate election in 2000?

visit hillcap.org

To Conejo,
Remember that a lot of the things that were promised in the no child left behind act were not kept. Such as the amount of money that would be given it was almost 12 billion short, not to mention the that the bill never stated anything about the cutting of the vocational centers and other programs that are used to help students. You cant blame such things on her. She is not the president's keeper so she cannot be held responsible for what he does.

As for this thing on video games, She is doing what every other politician out there would do. To be honest I think it is a good idea to keep over violent and sexual games out f the hands of children. I admit her plan needs a lot of work but she is only doing what she believes to be right. And I think the people on here are being absurdly biased towards her. She has some good ideas which is more than what I can say for Obama who has not talked about any of his plans for the future. He is charismatic and a great speaker but that does not make you a good president.

Can't help wonder who wants to bravely ride in 2009 the PHONY Hillary?!