One Doom Game Per Child? Classic Shooter Fires Up Controversy

One Doom Game Per Child? Classic Shooter Fires Up Controversy

February 6, 2008
One of our favorite do-good projects, One Laptop Per Child, finds itself in the midst of an unexpected game violence controversy. OLPC's goal,of course, is to spread the power of personal computing and the Internet to children in poverty-stricken areas.

As GameCulture reports:
The [OLPC's] XO laptop... was obviously designed with videogames in mind... EA released the source code for the original SimCity... Freeciv... has also become a popular download.

But a free download of the original Doom has generated controversy among the OLPC community. Things began heating up when contributor Bryan Berry removed Doom from the OLPC Wiki, writing:
I work in Nepal, a country recovering from an 11-year civil war. Exposure to more violence, real or virtual, is the last thing most Nepali communities want.

But another OLPC'er, Noah Kantrowitz, argued:
OLPC is not in the business of censorship or content classification, and you have no right to try and remove thing from the wiki just because you dislike them. If you are worried children will find distasteful things on the internet, perhaps you shouldn't give them a laptop.

Eventually, Doom was placed back on the OLPC Wiki. But, as GameCulture's Aaron Ruby notes:
Doom may be back but arguments over what is appropriate for the XO and the children using it are unlikely to end. As many noted during the discussion over Doom, these computers are connected to the internet and the internet is not always child friendly, at least from a parent's perspective. For the kid looking for porn and things that blow up there's nothing better.



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Hmm... I'm not so sure what to think about this. On one hand, you can get Doom for free on many other websites so the kids can get it anyway.

On the other hand, this is "On Laptop Per CHILD", and Doom is rated M 17+ (at least, the newer releases are). So does it really belong on the OLPC wiki? Haven't we been arguing for the last few years that M rated games AREN'T being pushed to children?

You can't censor it, but it does make me wonder why OLPC is so eager to "sell" this M-rated game to children, even if it is free.
(Stupid itchy trigger finger, fixing last sentence)

You can't censor it COMPLETELY WITHOUT CENSORING THE INTERNET, but it makes me wonder why OLPC is so eager to sell this M-rated game... (cont)
that thing looked so weird.
Oh please, Doom? The first one? Bah! Let them play it, they're killing demons from hell not ppl.

"these computers are connected to the internet and the internet is not always child friendly"

There is already a ton of software out there that can help you here...
@L42yB

absolutely, the solution to the problem here would be to find an open-source filtering system, that way parents can filter what their kids see, as per their rights as parents.
Doom? Doom's violence is passe' these days. They can definitely handle Doom.
gotta love the video "dude this is so 1992"
That's the laptop? Couldn't they make it more normal? Did they forget the keyboard?
Dude, sorry about Nepal, but you're fighting Hell's demons. On MARS. You're really stretching it; it doesn't matter if you're country is recovering or not, I don't think a game from '93 is going to hurl you back into war.
Wow....just wow.
What is the point of making sure all these kids have access to the internet if these people are just going to try and dictate what they're allowed to see? If you want to completely shield them from this kind of stuff, then don't give them the internet. Simple as that.
All or nothing, folks.
I dunno, I heard that censoring it worked well, you know, in China....

what?
I have an idea, lets give every child a dictionary, but censor out any offensive words, or violent words, or discriminatory words, or.... wait.... won't that just be a blank piece of paper?
You either have no internet, or have the internet and let them have everything this ugly yet beautiful world has to offer.


That is my saying...

Also these kids have seen real violence in their families and neighborhoods,

Do you think that Videogame Violence is going to affect them????

No...

Trigger nightmares???

maybe...

Send them on a shooting rampage???

Let's see, let saw it happen in real life too!!!!

Where do you draw those conclusions????
I think Doom on the One Laptop Per Child is a stretch for its original purpose. (I thought it was to expose them to new ideas and to educate them). But then again they are children, and frankly if I lived in a poverty stricken mess I wouldnt mind a little escapism in which I was the hero fighting off the hordes of hell.

As for Napal guy, Im sorry your area is been in a 11 year civil war but what right do you have to censor the entire world because of your area. Instead of being the censor monkey how about you inform your community about common concepts of parenting like spending time with your kid and see what they are playing. OMG wait what a horrible idea; that would involve actually interacting with your own spawn, god that would be horrible.

@DeusPayne I think we might still have some common words like a and the, of course I might be able to spell and as dan which looks awfully close to a curse and the -> het might be heat which could be the result of doing something naughty and well a just looks wrong. No I think your right a blank page is the best option.
I could be wrong, but. Chances are, if they can't afford a laptop, they probably won't be able to afford internets. Right?
People are actually annoyed over Doom? Of all games, by today's standards, that is weak. Might as well throw Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, and Super Mario on there just to get the complete experience. Toss in Sonic while they're at it.
Let them play DOOM. DOOM is of course, the greatest game of all time. heh, it was my introduction to shareware back in the day. I think having a common enemy (daemons) who are not human could help bring people together. :D

Next should be DOOM II Hell on Earth, Evilution, Heretic, Hexen, Duke 3d, The Final Doom, and the Duke Nukem the Plutonium Pack.

If I have one word of advice for these children it is this.

IDKFA
" Exposure to more violence, real or virtual, is the last thing most Nepali communities want."

Then quit killing each other you freakin idiots!!! Log on to an online FPS, frag each other all day, and no one is hurt, you can come back and do it again tomorrow.

A video game is not violence. With the exception of pulled muscles from playing the Wii while drunk, no one gets hurt.
Wow, way to have a major Ameri-centric complex, guys. Doom might seem tame to you because you've watched Saw Hostel Massacre five times in a row, but these kids from Nepal have probably never seen anything like it (at least not virtually; I'm sure they got a close-up look from at least one of the twelve thousand deaths during the civil war.) To claim that Nepal is trying to "censor the world" because they don't want to play games reminding them of their recent ignominy is to miss the point by an absurd margin. Censorship doesn't even come into it; they're trying to rebuild their country. Let the kids play Sim City and learn how to listen to opinions and solve problems.

(I'll save us all some time by twisting my own comments into a sarcastic take on Sim City's actual value: "yeah, let them learn to place square boxes to manage pollution, then unleash three monsters at once from the disaster menu!" There, now I've destroyed the original context of my own opinion, and you can put your blinders on and get back to a world-view that includes McDonald's and Wal-Mart again.)
Why don't they just remove it from the PC, then? It's not like theres anything stopping them, and OLPC is forbidden to stop them or they'd be in violation of GPLv3.
That’s the laptop? Couldn’t they make it more normal? Did they forget the keyboard?

There is a keyboard. The screen flips around, so it resembles a tablet, with buttons on the side of the screen for gaming.
Simon Roberts,

Just because they are from Nepal doesn't absolve them from my one rule on games. "Parents, police your own children." They are getting something for free. That doesn't meant hat they HAVE to take it. It doesn't mean that the parents HAVE to let their kids play it. Parents don't HAVE to keep it on the computers if it's on there whent hey get them or if their kids put it on there.

No matter what country you are from or what type of strife is going on there, a parent is still a parent and needs to be responsible for what is kept in their home. If they beleive it is something that will harm their children, uninstall the dang thing.
@Simon

I'm pretty sure that the version of Sim city on the XO doesn't have the monsters.

Yes, doom is tame, compared to most games. However I would agree that maybe just maybe some 7 year old kid from Nepal shouldn't be playing it. However, the XO isn't only going to Nepal. Should the entire project cater to the needs of only one of the places it hopes to get the laptops too?

Also, what is to stop these kids from finding MORE violent things?
Simon Roberts, way to over simplify the situation. Yes, Doom is still violent and horrible. But hi, they were in a warzone. They didn't have Saw or Hostel and it's escapism (it should be noted I don't like those movies and the more I see of NGII, the more I don't want to play it), mainly because watching your neighbors lunge collapse to a bullet piercing in real life is not even remotely equatable to video game violence. On this point, you simply fail. And it has nothing to do with Americanizing, period. It's a fucking warzone. You cannot imagine how that could effect children in ways nothing else can.

HOWEVER, from the standpoint of the Nepal guy, the answer is simple. Don't download. Wow, who'd a thunk it? After all, I was disgusted by VT Rampage (or whatever) by it's mere concept. I discovered it's suprisingly easy to avoid content you don't want to partake in. So, to avoid content you don't want is the choice here, not to remove the content from existance. That's the issue everyone is having with this Nepal guy. And frankly put, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with being American as I'm sure you'd find this opinion everywhere on the planet. It's a common sense thing. I may not be into your shit, but I'm not about to force my preferences on you. Respect for the fellow man... goes a long way.
@ BrokenScope

Actually it does. The only thing it does not have is the airplane crash disaster. I guess after 9/11 they thought it would be in bad taste to be able to crash your sim plane into your sim skyscraper.

But as for the whole Doom thing, OLPC is trying to create a large library of the best free software and games out there for kids to play and mess around with. The fact that the original Doom is free and open source makes it a prime candidate for this situtation.

I also think that no one country should dictate what software is available for the world, they do have a right to say what should be available for their country, within the laws of their country that is.

That said, it should not be a problem to simply let the parents and educators control the downloads. This would allow them to decide what is best for the student's aducation.
I can see education is, in fact, very much needed there..

I work in Nepal, a country recovering from an 11-year civil war. Exposure to more violence, real or virtual, is the last thing most Nepali communities want.

Someone needs to instruct this person on how to exit the program.

Problem solved.
I never did see the evils of M rated games. I wouldn't ban my kids from M rated games. I played Doom around 8 years old, and Duke Nukem 3D when I was around 10 or 12. Didn't effect me one bit.
I say that what the world needs is a Doom in every PC and a Chicken in every Pot!
good lord this is retarted
Huh, I thought the one Laptop-per-child program got scrapped because a computer chip maker wanted to be the sole provider of chips for the program.
Ugh. Any mention of OLPC leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I ordered a laptop through their "give one, get one" campaign (you donate a laptop and get an extra one for yourself) in mid-December, and their organization is mind-bogglingly disorganized and incompetent. There are plenty of first day donors (i.e. mid november) who have yet to receive their laptops, when they were originally promised to be out by early January. There are tons of stories of people whose orders were simply lost when their addresses were thrown out because their database couldn't handle addresses that were more than one line long. I could go on with the horror stories, but I don't have the heart. Google them if you're interested.

After a series of emails dealing with what were most likely automated responses, I was finally told about a week ago that my laptop would arrive within 45-60 days. That was the last straw. I refunded my purchase, and my donation. If they can't manage delivery in the US, they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting my donation delivered to a village in Africa.
@TK

Ask not what your laptop can do for you, ask what you can do for your laptop.
Wow I'm really not sure what to say about this one...

One side even though we are giving technology to a third world country so their kids can possably grow up smarter...
I mean that's great, but I kinda agree that between our kids and their kids...I rather not give them violent media sence their lively hoods are ravaged by real life violence. I don't want to be a censor as well. ...

The only thing I can think of is that they should have some parent edjucation plan to help the parents of these childern know what to look for and know and understand better when something is not ment for their kids.

On the other hand I really like this quote.

"If you are worried children will find distasteful things on the internet, perhaps you shouldn’t give them a laptop."

The internet is not a place for unsupervised childern to be at.


If you think about it...It DOES seem a little stupid that the OLPC is giving poorer countries access to the internet but at the same time worry about what kids are going to be able to acess here.

If you don't like it then don't do it.

If you hit yourself on the head with a hammer and it hurts...would you still do it?...

This Laptop stuff has it's pros and cons....
I suppose my thought originally went along the line of 'Should we then not make SimCity available to countries which have had floods or hurricanes, because iirc, you could make those happen as well as the more 'unique' disasters?'

I do understand what the guy is trying to say, that it might upset younger children and bring back unwanted memories, fair enough, but for him to make that decision for every country involved in this scheme without first going through his workmates in those countries and expressing his feelings and working towards a solution was somewhat reactionary, he is not the only person involved, Nepal is not the only country involved.

I suppose that's where the problem comes in, different countries as well as different people have various ideas on what is acceptable and at what age, it is something that they will have to try to be sensitive towards in both directions, charging in like a bull in a China Shop and deleting reference probably was the worst way to go about it, because it brushed the other members of the wiki up the wrong way, as the reply seems to suggest.
I can see why some parents might be concerned...It looks like their playing Doom on one of those laptops made for toddlers.
@Colonel Finn

Actually, it didn't work well at all.
@Jeremy
"I thought it was to expose them to new ideas and to educate them"

Only so long as those ideas are in accordance to their wishes. The thing about exposing people to the rest of the world is.... well... you're being exposed to it. And it's the world. Those who can't seem to deal with this reality (the reality of there being things that you may not like) want to either ignore it (fine by me), promote their own set of behavior/beliefs (again, fine by me), or destroy it (problem).

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