Child Psychologist Scoffs at Video Game Violence Arguments

Child Psychologist Scoffs at Video Game Violence Arguments

February 7, 2008
Writing for the SoutheastPsych blog, a child psychologist has expressed disdain for video game violence concerns.

Dr. Frank Gaskill (left) takes a historical view: 
In 1955, the U.S. Senate blasted comic books... Half a century later, violent video games are the comic books of our day. Testimony before our [North Carolina] state Senate included descriptions of horrific-sounding games...

One frequently cited research article criticizing violent video games includes several studies. One of these studies was a "correlational study" from which the authors concluded, "Playing violent video games often may well cause increases in delinquent behaviors, both aggressive and non-aggressive..."

Correlations are just relationships between two variables; you can never say one causes the other. We could say that during the season when ice cream sales increase, shark attacks also increase. But we could not say the more ice cream you sell, the more you cause shark attacks.

So why is Dr. Gaskill defending violent games? He explains:
Some legislative initiatives and public opinions across the country are based on fallacious assumptions, personal biases, political posturing and weak science.

Common sense tells you that you don't let an elementary school kid or an older child with a history of aggressive behavior play Grand Theft Auto. But that same common sense tells you that if 90 percent of households have owned or rented a video game every year - while the juvenile crime rate has been going down for more than a decade - then a little Halo 3 never hurt anybody...

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the thing i love though is that he doesnt even get into the realm of opinion which is arguable...

he just literally states some facts on the table and says... there you go.. now if violent games do cause violence then explain this....
I like him - he is sane and reasonable. :)
I love this guy!!!!
He's ok in my book :).

Unfortunately people like this guy are ignored by critics or get criticized :/.
wow.. i want to mail this guy something expensive and say thank you...

absolutely perfect reasoning! i love the ice cream analogy of correlation.

Also again spot on, if a kid has a history of violent behaviour dont let him play (fits in with the argument that violent people like violent games, not violent games make people violent)

And finally the icing on the common sense cake ''But that same common sense tells you that if 90 percent of households have owned or rented a video game every year - while the juvenile crime rate has been going down for more than a decade - then a little Halo 3 never hurt anybody…
''

i would love to see J Ts response to that one.
Yet, to most “experts”, he's just a tool of the gaming industry who probably got his PHD from Hollywood Upstairs Medical College. His research will be completely ignored and dismissed in the media and political circles.
I agree Nova. As always, when someone uses a bit of logic and common sense when looking at these issues, they show the scaremongerers, hypocrites, band-wagon jumpers and downright liers up for what they really are.

Dr. Gaskill, I raise my glass to you. Bravo sir, bravo.
Finally!!!
Parents are ignorant, and think that won't happen to their kid, but when it does, they blame the game to hide the fact that they're bad parents. Anything to cash in, just like all those idiots who'll make excuses to cash in on the "Hot Coffee" settlement.
I like this guy. He speaks sense.
Good to see someone taking these guys to task about violent videogame laws.
what he is stating is the facts, its hard to misconstrued it one way or the other :P
Finally, a real psychologist does what we've been doing for years, and that's debunking the junk science that's been spouted by the ignorant politicians and hacks.
Spot on, an excellent analysis.

It's a shame videogame critics will probably never even need to take Dr Gaskill's commentary into account, as I would love to hear somebody try to formulate an opposing argument.
My God, someone with some sense!

I salute you, sir!
Must remember to check up on this individual's work.
Must remember to check up on this individual's work.
Must remember to check up on this individual's work.

:: Is now stuck in infinite loop. ::

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*resets nightwing* fixed!

i like these findings, simply because they point obvious flaws in research that is being waved around as 'fact'.
I like how he's straight-out blunt with his points.

It seemed like a lot of Psycho-logiststs I've been reading regarding games lately have a knack for posturing and hyperboles.
I kinda disagree... For a kid with a history of "violent behaviour", wouldn't it be good to let him play with violent videogames? That could act as a catharsis and reduce his "real-life" violent behaviour in my opinion.

For the rest, completely agree, obviously.
@Guillaume

The same can be said for rough sports.

I remember a couple of rowdy guys back in high school who were recommended by the school counselor to take up a high-imp[act sport to help them dissipate their aggresive tendencies.
Cooper Lawrence wouldn't understand a word he's saying, not to mention her typical 'audience'.
Twin-Skies
Makes sense some with higher levels of testosterone or angst need a release for that energy and need to be taught how to correctly dissipate it.
See, the difference between this man and those, other beings, is that this guy is an actual expert.
Correlation does not imply causation, thank you Mr. Gaskill. Maybe the politicians should look into Pastafarianism.
Ah HA!
They always told you not to eat ice cream just before swimming!
Now I see WHY!
SHARK ATTACKS!!!

Doctor Frank Gaskill
Understands what IS science
Only states the facts
I've been saying this for years. Unfortunately I don't have the credibility to back it up like this guy does. It's also unfortunate that an article like this won't get near the amount of attention that it should.
"We could say that during the season when ice cream sales increase, shark attacks also increase. But we could not say the more ice cream you sell, the more you cause shark attacks."
Classic example that any people with a statistics background would use. Nice.
Give the man a medal!
A HUGE one!
The size of a Pizza!!!
WOOT!! someone who has a lick lof common sense
First of all why took him so long to speak up??
2. why is it that he is the only one who seems to have any common sense?
This is interesting, but a blog post isn't enough to convince some people, myself included because of the brevity of the post. Most of the psychology literature showed a negative effect of video games. Right now, i'm having trouble finding studies that showed otherwise. (if anyone knows, please tell me).

However, it seems that two psychology clinicians, Dr.Frank Gaskill and Dr. Jerald Block, think otherwise. I do wonder the general consensus amongst clinicians, not academics, on the video game effects.
:O

I knew ice cream was bad for you, but... Wow... I never saw that correlation before /sarcasm

FINALLY! A voice that speaks the truth with simple logic. Kudos!
I've made this comment on another blog, but anyone who claims to be an expert on this topic and ignores the basic information is an idiot (hence, not an expert) and a liar. Another thing to understand is that Dr. Gaskill's view is that of the MAJORITY of psychologists.
More people like this please.
Good, now if only people would actually hear him, it would be better.

I mean, who is gonna trust the "that's no problem!" guy? The one telling you the revelation (translations FTW) is coming prolly is right! Seriously, fact go down before fear.
Guillaume and Twin-Skies, that is the logic that has helped me get through life. Sometimes, I have a very short fuse (easily irritated). I've been working over the years to control my anger so I never exploded at school or work. But I have found that coming home and playing some FPS, or just doing something explosive (not literally) can help deter my anger from surfacing.

Second, I love this guy. He basically says that problems with the child are not from the games, but from the parents. Who would have thought that the parents should be teaching their kids right from wrong anymore. Here I thought my parents were weird for doing that
@ Spike

Same here. Playing a little TF2, or commanding my army of Minions in Overlord to pillage and burn a village is oddly calming. When in TF2 you get a feeling of achievement when you win, and in Overlord you get a good laugh at all the stupid comments from the minions.

Of course, just sitting their watching the nightly news makes one depresessed, angry, fearful, and turns the brain to goo. Hmmm... tough call there.
How dare you use logic!?

P.S.
I love you.


( I hope my last two lines are not copyrighted)
That is one more reason for me to become a psychologist.
"Common sense tells you that you don’t let an elementary school kid or an older child with a history of aggressive behavior play Grand Theft Auto. But that same common sense tells you that if 90 percent of households have owned or rented a video game every year - while the juvenile crime rate has been going down for more than a decade - then a little Halo 3 never hurt anybody…"

I like what i'm hearing.
Excuse me, your logic is getting in my psychology.

Seriously though, it is truly wonderful to find a psychologist with real common sense. Bravo! We need this guy to start helping out more.
WHAT?! Common Sense?!!? Who has that in America anymore!?!?
wow im gonna buy this guy a SONY 1080i 55" TV and a PS3 with a dimond encrusted thank you card

i love this guy
To reiterate correlation is not causality. These so call brain professionals are stupid hacks trying to raise there prestige by arguing along the same party line, "Video Games are bad mmmkay."

Maybe you psychology retards don't have the cognitive ability to play video games do a fucking study on...
This information should not come as a surprise to anyone who has gone to college and taken Psy101 which as far as I know is mandatory. Any Psychology Professor worth his PhD knows that correlation is not the same as causation. Any psychologist(or Lawyer!) who tries to pass off any correlation study as factual causation is a disgrace to their profession, their clients, and are undeserving of everything they have gained through said profession.
Coincidentally my Psy 102 professor was talking about the issue of Correlation vs Causation and how they are NOT the same just last week. Whats more is that he used a very similar example only it was between ice cream and drowning.
this guy deserves a cake, we should send him a cake
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take that JT

and any other person who doesnt understand what there talking about. espically fox news
I have been thinking that idea for some time now. If M rated games have sold so many copies, we SHOULD be having a massive crime spree, according to JT. It's about time someone says it.
---> Gamer137

Crime rates are actually going down in many countries. The thing is, 'crime-fighting' politicos don't give a rat's arse about that. They only care about RISING stats.
fact, the lack of pirates causes global warming.
As someone who has used an ice cream analogy before on posts on this blog, I tip my hat to Frank Gaskill and I hope that somehow his wisdom can be used as a foil to that other "Child Pscyhologist" Leland Yee, who obviously has his own political agenda at the root of his legislative efforts, rather than a genuine interest in the well-being of children.
Finally, the voice of intelligence.

Now, if you'll excuse me, my supervillain is going to blow something up in the virtual world. :P
I could have told anyone the same thing, correlation is not causation, but I don't have my PhD in Psychology, I just have a BA in Psych right now. THank goodness there are some Psychology PhDs out there that will talk out against the pop psychologists of the mainstream media.
Kudos to the doctor as he gets it.
I agree completely. The ice cream analogy was excelent. I say what ever happened to crazy people? Why do these "experts" have to blame video games? I say it is only a issue of common sense. What kind of parent would buy their aggressive small child a violent video game? It just seems like more and more people are looking for something to blame instead of taking the blame themselfs for not being a good parent or some other stupid reason.

Thank you good sir.
Ridiculous - This guy is making the same mistake that he questions in the research. He brings up the tired old argument of correlation does not equal causation as a refutation of the research on violent video games and aggression (ignoring the fact that there have been several well conducted and published articles using experimental methods that can infer causality) and then goes on to talk about the fact that the juvenile crime rate has gone down in recent years - implying that this is somehow related to violent video games. You know what? That's a correlation. This guy is a fool. Just because someone has a PhD does not make him an expert
Seth I believe you have a point that makes sense. The Correlation point anyways. Expert? Now who do you think conducts these experiments seth? Scientists? People with PhD's? While using your argument saying that "Just because someone has a PhD does no make him an expert" You can always say the same about those who conduct the experiments. Just because they have the proper paperwork to prove that they are the "experts" Do not make them "experts". And the juvenile crime rate has gone down. You say that is a correlation. That may be. BUT! I must say that he is using a "counter correlation" if you will. To disprove that "Correlational study". I personally think that his "Counter correlation" makes plenty of sense. Sort of Debunking if you will.
The criminologist Marc Ouimet (studies the causes of the delinquency and the statistics of criminality.)

" In fact, the profile of the young delinquent does not correspond at all to the profile of the young players of video games. The standard portrait of the delinquent, it is not at all that. It is a boy who seeks the excitation, often outside the house, which leaves the house, goes in the arcades, goes in the parks. It has fun with other young people. He, it is in the search of strong feelings. For this young person, the video games do not represent necessarily something of interesting. "

http://www.radio-canada.ca/actualite/zonelibre/03-01/jeux.html
I think this guy is amazing and speaks some sence. My parents used to think that violent games like doom were a thing of evil. Just like comic books and Rock N' Roll. Critics and politics think that they have and understanding with every one else, which is false. We will be licky to come across one once in a while. Anaway this guy is a smart cookie.

PS: keep up writing this stuff.
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Re: Child Psychologist Scoffs at Video Game Violence Arguments

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