TV News: Games "Normalize" Killing ...sigh

February 9, 2008
Omaha's KETV-7 has angered gamers with a report that says video games "normalize" killing.

In the story, reporter Suzanne Deyo interviews a local child psychologist and a parent, both of whom offer a scary perspective on video games. The psychologist, Dr. Greg Snyder, seems to slam even the mildest of titles:
Exposure to violent video games, even E rated video games, increases aggressive thoughts, increases pro-social behavior and increases general arousal.

The more normal [violence] is, the more likely it is they're going to activate or engage in those behaviors when provoked or even unprovoked.

GP: If Dr. Snyder has any expertise in video games, it remains unstated in the KETV report. However, as GamePolitics has demonstrated, it is not uncommon for mainstream news organizations to pull an uninformed psychologist into their reporting in an effort to add credibility (see How Fox Morning Show Sensationalised the Halo-in-Church Issue and Fox News Smears Mass Effect).

Deyo also interviewed parent Chuck Payne, whose primary qualification seems to be that he "knows some teens who are allowed to play for hours a day." Payne said:
When they're done playing, that's all that's on their mind. Kill. Kill. Kill.

GP: Ooooookay... And Mr. Payne determined this, how, exactly?

Also interviewed was Ryan Miller, an exec with midwest retail chain Gamers, (and, we're proud to say, a GP reader)
Just like any new media, it gets attacked. When any new genre of music comes out, it gets attacked. TV will, of course, get attacked. I'm sure, way back when, books got attacked.
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That bandwagon must be looking pretty full by now...

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I always remember back to September 11th 2001, when the News agencies were running images of people 'celebrating' the fall of the Towers in Afghanistan and Iran, and it later turned out they'd used footage from about 5 years previously that was about something totally unrelated.

Maybe the News should explain again about Media being used to incite violence?

damn they kid is only allowed to play for 1 hour a day. damn that sucks.

Zippy, you seem to disagree with every news report on GP. If you don't like it, you don't have to view it. (much less leave comments.)

I've been playing Dwarf Fortress a lot lately, should I be thinking Dig.Dig.Dig?

Right. And TV News doesn't do *anything at all* to "Normalize" killing.

Sheesh.

Ok, not to beat the dead horse, AGAIN, but, where the FUCK is the industry. No response, no rebuttal, no threat of lawsuit.

You all argue that my belief in a legal attack on the MSM is a bit extreme, but given this story, I think it might be about the only thing retards like these people will understand.

Hey guys, found the stations contact us. Here's the link:

http://www.ketv.com/station/177307/detail.html

Flood, anyone? Oh, and if you do, keep it clean. No need for them to see us worse than they already do.

Oh my god... when will it end! un-informed "professionals" jabbering on about topics that they only had a glimpse at, and mis-interprited. This has to stop!

It's obvious that this psychologist got no idea what he's talking about.

My favorite E-rated game (except for Kingdom Hearts which it a E-10 rated game) is Rayman (the first one on PSX) and I hardly think about killing when I play this game.

Stupid is as stupid does. Genius, that Forrest Gump.

It amazes me how many people are actually getting airtime to define "stupid".

And you know... the sad thing is is that Ron White is right: You can't fix stupid.

I am so tired of news stations declaring these people as professionals and then them giving some ridiculous statement. You know, not all parents/adults know better than to not listen to this, some of them will believe it.

Maybe...the only choice we have is making our own tv station...

Someday...

LOL I love the way he states 'Pro-Social Behaviour' in among all the insults, because it's so much worse than 'Anti-Social Behaviour'...

Oh, and I also love the way he uses the phrase 'general arousal' which sounds sexual but is nothing of the sort, just means you are more alert and aware than normal.

yay more junk science . . . oh wait i hate junk science =[

p.s. is there anyone out there that will let me cry on their shoulder?

so wait, he's trying to say e rated games like geometry wares will cause my child to become more social, as well as arousing his interest in math?

how dare those evil video games.....

"LOL I love the way he states ‘Pro-Social Behaviour’ in among all the insults, because it’s so much worse than ‘Anti-Social Behaviour’…"
Seconded :D

Anyway, this is nothing more than ignorance and stupidity rolled into one package.

Hmm. Y'know. These guys are being offensive kids themselves. Just look at all their attacks in their videogames. All of them state one thing: "children are morons who can't distinguish fantasy from reality"

I was born with mild asperger's syndrome, and even I had no trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality when I was a toddler.

Hey! I think I've just found some ammo for us!

Correction: "offensive TO kids". Not "offensive kids"

Is 'normalize' even a word?

Did anyone not learn from the Fox News debacles? This makes me sick.

Normalize... I think it's an option in Sound Editing software.

and a vector operation in mathmatecs/3d geometry equations :P

Mr. Chris Payne knew this because of his brother Max :-)

@ Chard, yeah it's a word. Usually it's used in a scientific context, in my experience, you can "Normalise data" to make it comparable. ;)

Back to the topic at hand, I'm no longer a teen (and haven't been for many years) but even at the time I don't recall finishing a game and thinking "Kill, kill, kill" (sic). Just as well too, can you imagine the blood-letting-anarchy the world would be in if that were true?

Is it just me or are these pop-psychologists just getting tiresome now?

Gift.

I read the article and its clear what the determine is violent thought to simply be increased heart rate. The article sadly did not include what games they used to study, most likely on purpose. Until I can determine what games they used I think they are simply confusing the fact that the game is violent with the fact that it is hard. If you had a person play Tetris and then play Resident Evil, they would clearly have a higher heart rate. But if you had someone play Tetris and Burnout Paradise (a game I would personally consider non-violent since its a racing game) on the hardest races I am sure you would see a clear increase in heart rate too.

Normalise, in my experience is done with data to remove repeating sets and assign unique keys where required, kind of odd to use it in this context, maybe they mean, 'makes violence seem normal', which means that they'd have to stretch to such a complicated use of proper English as 'makes violence seem normal'.... God forbid.

....Why did they use halo2 footage in that segment? its roughly 4 years old are they seriously so cheap that they couldn't get some h3 video clips?

they even attacked E rated games!
omfg that kid just played some Mario Party he could blow at any moment!
Same old story,still no proof.

Remember the good ol days when the news wasn't a cesspit of lies?
According to these people i should have at least 8 murders under my belt by now,damn I am so far behind.

....Why did they use halo2 footage in that segment? its roughly 4 years old are they seriously so cheap that they couldn't get some h3 video clips?

they even attacked E rated games!
omfg that kid just played some Mario Party he could blow at any moment!
Same old story,still no proof.

Remember the good ol days when the news wasn't a cesspit of lies?
According to these people i should have at least 8 murders under my belt by now,damn I am so far behind.

The letter to fox said it best. In a time where video games are rapidly pushing out the TV primetime spots, it's no surprise that a failing system is ripe with attacks on the new. It's bad enough when society gets all scared about the new medium, but it's that much worse when the previous medium picks up the torch and tries frying the "new bad". If they were the slightest bit intellegent, they'd realize that if they push to censor video games, what do you think the next battleground for free speech will be? It sure as hell won't be about comic books.

Yes, every gamer puts down the controller and thinks "Kill Kill Kill".
That is totally correct.
So, wait a second, how come the rise in videogames over the last decade has coincided with a general drop in violent crime?

Oh. WHOOPS.
Let's not let fact get in the way of the general sterotypical bandwagon shall we...

So, what information is there obtainable about "Dr." Snyder?

http://www.chsomaha.org/body.cfm?xyzpdqabc=0&id=522&action=detail&ref=891

Ok, that's the Children's Hospital info. Anything else?


:: chirp chirp chirp ::

Guess not.

:: Tosses "Dr." Snyder down in the basement with "Dr." Lawrence. ::

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All these studies show increased arousal immeidately after you play a game which shouldn't be that shocking if you think about (you like the game and it may arouse your 'morbid fascination with violence'). The next question that they don't answer, is how long do these effects last. Are they temporary? Do they fade quickly? Until the studies can answer these questions with a definite yes or no, they are useless.

"I’m sure, way back when, books got attacked."

He's right.

"Remember the good ol days when the news wasn’t a cesspit of lies?"

No.

@BM

Replace Burnout with Midnight Club or Gran Turismo and then you'd have something.

Burnout is known for it's uber-realisitc and over-done crash sequences. In fact it actively encourages you to wreck your opponents' cars, so I'd say that's violent.

Personally, I think it's hilarious they've quoted that games increases 'pro-social' behavior. Since that, after all, is heightened interactions with others and community-beneficial behavior.

My oh my.

How did we ever survive public hangings and Wild West shootouts!?

The only address where we can reply : webstaff@ketv.com

I guess the guys at KETV-7 say fox's mass effect bash and thought
"Wow if that many people get mad at us we will get the spotlight for a while!"

Oh god! I just finished gaming for a few hours and I'm starting to feel pro-social tendencies! Someone help me, please, before I do something I regret like introduce myself to a neighbor!

We need more news stories that talk about the mis-informed professionals and bad research that goes into flawed news reports. Of course, the networks won't attack themselves, but if they start flinging the proverbial poo at each other it would be an eye-opener for viewers.

Hasn't Channel 7 news learned from Cooper Lawrence? It must of been the biggest attack from gamers without an organization helping such as the ECA or ESA

Even E- .. Even E-rated games!? Yeah, I know after an intense round of Katamari I really have to fight off the urges to go and murder my family. Phew.

"When they’re done playing, that’s all that’s on their mind. Kill. Kill. Kill."

Riiiight... as soon as i put down the controller from playing Smash Bros Melee, the only thing on my mind is finding somebody to FALCON PAWNCH.

I thought this guy was supposed to be a 'professional'. >_>

He needs to get his nose out of the tabloids that is Faux News...

It's always an amusingly ignored fact that Japan has the most violent and what would be considered (By countries in the West) 'deviant' games in the world, and yet has one of the lowest crime rates in the world (http://www.ft.com/dkreports/japan2), so beside the fact they are one of the major viedo game-playing countries, and despite the fact that they really do have things like 'Rape Simulators' as games, they still only have one sexual offence per 100,000 people, compared to the 'Morally clean' US value of 33 per 100,000 people (http://www.ft.com/dkreports/us2#crime)

Suggest strongly to me that it isn't about the content of the games we play, it's the contentment of the people within the society.

It also means that an anonymous poster on the Internet can provide more citable sources for his evidence than a supposed Psychologist on National TV.

The mainstream media had done more to incite murder, killings and violence more then any other form of media ever has.

@sai

and after playing Kingdom Hearts, it was really tough to resist the urge to beat people with my giant key.
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