What is a "Murder Simulator," Exactly?
What is a "Murder Simulator," Exactly?
February 17, 2008
Given Jack Thompson's current screeching that the NIU rampage killer "trained" on violent video games, a recent article on Gaming Steve seems quite timely.Author Robert Gauss begins by describing his expertise:
I’ve been working with simulator programs for the US Army for about six years now, which I believe makes me an expert on exactly what a simulator is, what a simulation does, and what the goals of these simulators [are]...
Gauss specifically addresses the Grand Theft Auto series, but his points apply to aspects of other controversial games as well:
"Simulators" are devices used to mimic the actions and functions of a real thing, a real situation, or both... and usually involves some sort of realistic motion...
How well does GTA simulate murder? Just even a cursory look can see how GTA fails this test: Everything is presented via a 3rd person view... weapons auto-load and auto-aim... computer people mostly walk and drive around aimlessly and helplessly... computer people don't... act in a realistic manner when attacked... bodies disappear and respawn — hardly like murder if they keep coming back to life
Our "gang games" mentioned above do not even represent murder, but rather a cartoony environment... It’s not just unfair to call Grand Theft Auto a “murder simulator," it is laughably incorrect...
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Andrew Eisen: Hmm, top 10 child deaths in film. What a great blog post that would make! If I had a blog. And if that hadn't been done a million times before.
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Posted 03/21/10 at 05:58pm
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Andrew Eisen: Well, just so there's no confusion: implied deaths won't get you to the top of my favorite child-deaths list.
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JDKJ: And I believe the expression is more properly "cut the muster," not "mustard." Not to be confused with "cut the cheese."
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JDKJ: I kinda like the way it's left to the imagination. Like the shower scene in Hitchcock's Psycho.
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Andrew Eisen: A flying shoe doesn't quite cut the mustard. If it was shot like a similar scene in Bride of Chucky, Gage's death would rank a lot higher.
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its soo soothing
This article justifies my statement, oy.
[glares at fox news]
I didn't know the answer to that question either, but I still knew that Europe was a continent, not a country, and that Hungary is a country.
Is there any reason to believe that Jack has any actual experience with the games that he demonizes?
That was one of the funniest videos I ever saw and the question was a piece of cake, wanna know why?
I'm half-hungarian. Even still, it was so pathetic it was funny.
As for this article:
The fact that GTA can't even be considered a simulation, let alone a simulator, should make people (JT) think twice about using the phrase again. Then again, lots of other articles as well as common sense should have done that already too. I also expect a spam message from JT to hit their comments section as well, oh well, it might even be as funny as the video.
Actually, he does. There have been a few news programs where he's seen playing GTA Vice City and such. But of course with Jack being Jack, his experience gets filtered through his prejudiced worldview and he only sees what he wants. :P
That reminds me of one of my favorite moments in GTA3. I was doing a Kill Frenzy, shooting down gang members. I needed one last kill, but time was running out and there were no gang members to be seen... well, none that were standing. However, the paramedics showed up and revived one of the ones I had just killed, so I killed the poor guy a second time, winning the Kill Frenzy at the last second.
... So realistic.
Yeah, dude. Jack said he played one of the GTA games for about 10 minutes. TEN MINUTES. On a game that takes hours to complete.
Anyway, Jack really needs to read Gauss' article. Of course...
"However, all of the games that have kill-or-be-killed type plots or actions are rated "M" for Mature by the ESRB and intended for ages 17+. These are games which aren’t made for children or marketed for children."
Tell that to Jack. Especially that last part.
"Ultimately, it is the job of parents to watch, monitor, and participate in what their kids see and play"
Someone had said something similar, and Jack butted in with, "Tell that to the families of the dead people!"
Anyhow, Jack, if you're reading this, please read Gauss' article and seriously think about all that. Thank you.
Stand on a soap box and read it out loud through a megaphone.
Maybe then Congress will listen.
With hat said...so what if they are vague to realistic murder sims so the fck what?
We have books that teach rape, murder and stealing we have TV shows saying these things are ok yet some people forget its fiction something thos with free will enjoy, to remove it in fear of that will only crate a fascist society.
SO really ,this guy found two gaping holes in that logic.
your right on the spot, someone should email this to him, and "if" JT is here reading this, he should re-think his theory.
"Anyway, Jack really needs to read Gauss’ article."
*laughs*
Ha ha... hoo... Jack Thompson reading... that's funny.
Also, s/read/think for myself/
Either you're a really good impersonator or you just seriously shot yourself in the foot.
Seriously though, GTA is far from a "simulator". Come on, punishment for wasting 100 virtual people? $100 bribe and all my weapons taken away.
And I wish we had hospitals and medical personnel like they do in GTA. They can revive ANYONE from death! Blew some one up with a rocket launcher? They'll revive them. Get run over by a car and riddled with bullets? No problem, the local hospital will fix you up back to normal!
Have the law on your tail? No problem, steal a car and respray it. Even if the police SEES you do it...it doesn't matter! The law will forget you even existed!
Besides, in real life...who the hell can get on a long enough killing rampage to survive the Police, SWAT, FBI and the Army.
But if we're using realism as an argument, surely JT should be going after people who attend paintball and airsoft events...?
FINALLY!!!
All jurisdictions, ancient and modern, consider it a most serious crime and therefore impose severe penalty on its commission.
CSI is the worst offender when it comes to desensitising kids to murder, but I've never heard the media or any fanatical lawyers complain about it.