February 29, 2008 -
In recent months, GamePolitics has been tracking the development of ICED, a serious game designed to publicize the issues faced by immigrants in the United States. The final version launched earlier this month.Published by human rights organization Breakthrough, ICED examines immigration issues from the perspective of the immigrant. This is, of course, a hot-button political issue these days, so it's not surprising that ICED has generated some controversy.
An article on Alex Jones' InfoWars trashes ICED, terming it "an illegal immigration training game:"
An Indian woman, Mallika Dutt, has released a video game that essentially trains illegal aliens how to sneak across the border and avoid border patrol agents and cops...
For the casual observer, Ms. Dutt comes off as your garden variety liberal “human rights” advocate with a useful penchant for technology. But it is a bit more sinister than that...
As the average Mexican or Latin American does not have access to a video game console, let alone a television, the game is more practically geared toward an effort to inculcate middle class Americans into the belief that illegal immigration is a human rights issue, never mind open borders and the influx of third world people is a globalist plot to turn the United States, soon to become part of a North American Union, into a feudal slave labor gulag based on the China model. It has absolutely nothing to do with human rights.
Asked by GamePolitics to comment on the harsh criticism, Breakthrough's Mallika Dutt pulled no punches in her response:
ICED - I Can End Deportation is a video game about the lack of due process in the immigration system as it applies to legal permanent residents, asylum seekers and people who are here on valid visas - it’s not about illegal immigrants - as anyone who’s actually bothered to play the game would quickly realize.
One of the characters, Marc, is a war veteran - and many vets, who have legal resident status, have been deported because of unfair immigration laws. Current detention and deportation laws hold people, even legal residents, in detention indefinitely with no access to a judge. Legal residents can be deported for minor crimes - without the opportunity to make a case before a judge.
It’s interesting that those who claim to be supporting the American way of life, are the very ones who are ripping apart due process and fairness in our legal systems...
GP: The immigration issue is surely a controversial one, and there are valid points to be made on both sides. But, frankly, the InfoWars piece smacks of prejudice and stereotyping.
Making it a point to identify Mallika Dutt as "an Indian woman" and asserting that "the average Mexican or Latin American does not have access to a video game console" pretty much show where the article is coming from.
And, note to InfoWars: ICED is not played on a console or a television. It's a PC game.
Comments
2.1 billion: To lock up illegals in prison
2.5 billion:medicaid
2.2 billion:unisured med costs
1.4 billion:fed aid to schools
1.9 billion:food stamps, WIC and free lunches
All goes to care 4 illegals and their kids. 10 billion dollars! and we're paying for the bill. This has to stop!
If there's reasonable expectation of undue physical harm or death, it's a violation. If the individual cannot understand what's happening, it's a violation. If psychological factors are too damaging, it's a violation. If they cannot communicate, it's a violation.
Applying this to deportation:
You can't let them die. You can't hurt them (not saying if they start fighting you have to accept their perpetrations). You CAN restrain them by physical means (appropriate handcuffs at the most), IF NECESSARY. You have to communicate with them effectively. They must be made aware of any and all available options. They have to know and understand all consequences and results.
This doesn't mean they can vote. This doesn't mean they can avoid the system.
As for the game, it has merit. The InfoWars guy isn't prejudice, he's downright discriminatory. Video games CAN be used to teach, but no more than books, videos, or any other form of media. Passing information about the issues we face is part of that. Fearmongering is so much fun.
-Mike
Spot on. Spot on.
Yes, someone who is an "illegal" immigrant is a criminal. Why? Because being here illegally makes them criminals. It is illegal therefore you are committing a crime, and if you commit a crime, what are you? Exactly.
Now that that is out of the way, I have no problem with legal immigration. None whatsoever. As for your comment on our country being based on immigration. Yes, it was. It doesn't mean it always will be. Remember that America is not an old country. It is fairly young compared to the old sods out there, and immigration was great to start the country, but at some point we draw a line on our country being based on immigration and allowing people to continue to immigrate here in droves. It has slowed exponentially. Things change. Deal with it.
However, the concept of the American Dream goes back to the 16th century. As 16th and 17th century English promoters were attempting to persuade Englishmen to move to the colonies, their language and promises about what the colonies were like were simultaneously laying the groundwork for three separate, but interrelated persistent myths of America: America as the land of plenty, America as the land of opportunity, and America as the land of destiny.[3] America as the land of plenty figured more prominently in 18th and 19th century definitions of the American Dream than it does today. Central to the dream was the presence of the (still untamed) American land, along with the question how to deal with nature and how to live with other people on the land.
So tell me Is the American Dream really just for Americans? HMMM? tell me huh?
You seem to forget that we are a country, and at that point the United States did not exist yet. New countries grow. Do we still need to grow so badly that we should just let anyone walk into our country without going through the proper legal channel? Some immigrants come over legally you know.
Yes, yes it is.
I'm curious to just how you think you can justify illegal immigration. It boggles the mind.
I see your stupidity, The American Dream was pitched to the Japanese, Chinese, and Europeans as a reason to come to America for work. The belief that everyone could become successful no matter who they are, where they were born.
Hell Lets treat the Mexicans like the Chinese when they built the railroads, tell them to do the work, then treat them like shit afterwards. Wait we already do.
Well lets people have justified Jim Crow Laws, people were against suffrage for women, against labor unions, people were for child labor, and etc etc etc.
What are you so worried about hmmm? Like in the Jim Crow laws people were worried about blacks taking over? Are you racist towards Mexicans?
People were scared what the women could do when they voted? Are you scared that is the same with Mexicans?
America is built on immigration, and built on cultures and societies coming together. From the British, to the Irish, to the french, to Germans, to the Spanish, to chinese, to the japanses, to the Koreans, to the Vietnamese, to the Africans, and to the Mexicans. Either we show that America is a great nation that will take care of any and all people or we becomes those that we rebelled against. We become no better than King George, the Nazi's, Soviet Russia, and else where.
But then there are too many stupid people out there, caught up in blaming everyone and everything instead of focusing on improving quality of life.
"America is built on immigration"
Wrong. America is built on LEGAL immigration. And by quoting the poem that is a part of the Statue of Liberty you are insulting all such legal immigrants by putting them down on the level of invaders.
So, what do YOU have against legal immigration? Or does your rose colored glasses prevent you from deferentiating between a legal and illegal immigrant?
Paranoia on my Gamepolitics? Bleeh...
As for Legal immigration sure sure. Keep believing that. Because the Puritians Came here legally. Wait werent they refugees? Escaping a country from being persecuted, but then I dont know if the word refugee existed at that time.
Why arent the LEGAL Immigrants Invaders. Did you forget about the Native Americans? We Did Steal their land. Or do you not want to remember that Information.
Maybe you should read up on how Hawaii became a state. I am sure you think that was legal too.
Legal and illegal as I mentioned is what we make illegal and legal. Hell I was reading multiple history books on the Chinese who built the railroads and once the railroads were done, the same people who brought them over wanted to deport them back to China. What did they do? Try to push laws to make them illegal Immigrants. There is the law for you. What are we such a totalitarian state that we cannot question the law?
What do I have against Legal Immigration, nothing. I have something against people like you. Who are actually viewing the world through your rose colored glass and fall into the endless cycle that has happen through out history.
Well as they say the ignorant will be ignorant and stupid will be stupid doom to follow the same History over and again.
It doesn't have to be stated, or even implied. A scrap of common sense tells you that the rights granted to CITIZENS are for citizens only. Contrary to your belief, meandering across a border does not make you a citizen.
Furthermore I can only guess from your post sthat you wouldn't care if I broke into your house. I mean you would treat me as any invited guest now wouldn't you?
So tell me, do you think that people should just be able to walk into the country and that is that? Again you make a mockery of all the people who put their effort into obtaining the American dream by putting all immigrants into the level of border hoppers.
"Why arent the LEGAL Immigrants Invaders."
The idiocy of this statement is amazing. Its the same reason you aren't breaking an entering when you go to a store during its business hours, but would be so in the middle of the night if you forced your way in with a cinder block.
Break into your house? Ohh Now I see why your so upset. You have and then before that it was the Italians and there organized crimeattached race to crime. I see now, I see your stupidity. Well now I see who is wearing the rose collared glasses.
So what are you afraid of a little competition from Mexicans in persuing the American Dream? Thats why you want it for only Citizens? Hmm I know your actually made about crime seeing it to blame it all on Mexicans. Ok rewind lets go back to the 1970s to the 1990s wasnt it all the black people being blamed? Oh wait and Lets Blame the gays for AIDS? oh wait they are doing that already.
"Why arent the LEGAL Immigrants Invaders." was actually met rephrasing what you wrote. Unless you dont know how a paragraph works. And once again your showing your racism. Attaching Mexicans to crime. And I bet every arab are terrorist? hmm now who was it the last time? oh yeah it was the Blacks, and before that Vietnamese, and and before that it was the Japanese and Germans, and then before that it was the Jews, and so on and so on and so on.
Now I see your problem. You dont have rose colored glasses you have Bigot glasses. Quick to scapegoat. Quick to blame. Doing nothing to improve the situation just throwing stones.
Wow, that one just sailed right over your head. Okay, let me simplify it for you. The house is America. Guests would be legal immigrants, illegal immigrants are those who are breaking and entering.
So again I ask. How would you react to someone breaking into your house?
"So what are you afraid of a little competition from Mexicans in persuing the American Dream?"
I have no problem with Mexican-Americans pursuing the American dream. But then invaders are not Americans, thus can't follow the American
dream.
"And once again your showing your racism. Attaching Mexicans to crime. "
Racism? Now you're just putting words into my mouth. Where, before this post, did I even mention Mexicans? This isn't a racial issue, even if you are Canadian, you don't sneak in and live here illegally.
"And I bet every arab are terrorist? hmm now who was it the last time? oh yeah it was the Blacks, and before that Vietnamese, and and before that it was the Japanese and Germans, and then before that it was the Jews, and so on and so on and so on."
This isn't a race issue, so stop playing the race card. This is about people of all races and religions who would come here to try and steal the "American dream".
"Now I see your problem. You dont have rose colored glasses you have Bigot glasses. Quick to scapegoat. Quick to blame. Doing nothing to improve the situation just throwing stones."
Fail. Point to anything I've said that is racist. Come on I dare you.
And to compensate from your inability to seperate race from this (just WHOM is the racist?) lets say the person breaking into your house is whiter than Larry Bird.
Well anyways maybe learn succinct writing, it would help with your argument not that calling a country a house is a great analogy. Hmm thats like calling a firecracker a Atom Bomb. They maybe similar but due to scale they are treated differently. Well an yes my house holds millions of citizens and I am elected every year to maintain my household of millions of people. I make decision they must abide by and if they dont I can have them detained and treated like shit. Hmm maybe I can a couple over and then detain them in my home and drug them, beat them, take their money, go over to their home and ransack the place. Yes after all a country is just like a house.
The "house breaking" metaphore is too little to explain this issue, don´t you think?
Someone else has recognized that your house to country is completely stupid.
As i said its like comparing a Nuke to a Firework. If you cant see the ridiculousness of your analogy answer this, What do you do to people that blow up nukes instead of lighting some 4th of July Fireworks?
Actually no. If I survived the dynamite attack the result would be the same as the firecracker tosser. An ass beating.
So I ask you again, how would you react to someone breaking into your house?
The point that invaders should be treated the same as citizens is an insult to citizens.
I think there is a big differece between a house and a country. People maybe don´t have the right to enter your house, but a country is a complex entity and needs people to keep running. And not only USA, bot every country on the planet, needs people from other lands. USA is not Cuba or Imperial China.
Inmigrants are not barbarians planning your destruction. They cross the border illegaly because inmigration laws are unfair and slow and hypocrit.
People don´t have the right to choose in which country want to live (and work) anymore?
They are working, not living for free, exactly.
So, your solution to illegal inmigration is "ass beating".
I´m done with this.
Countries have these people, they are commonly referred to as citizens. Illegal immigrants are not citizens.
"And not only USA, bot every country on the planet, needs people from other lands."
That is where legal immigration comes in.
"Inmigrants are not barbarians planning your destruction. They cross the border illegaly because inmigration laws are unfair and slow and hypocrit."
Tough shit. It still doesn't give anyone the right to invade. Sorry, but a noncitizen cannot honestly expect the rights of citizens. Its only common sense.
"People don´t have the right to choose in which country want to live (and work) anymore?"
Again, legal immigration is the option.
You people seriously suck with metaphor you know that? The answer to being attacked (dynamite/fire cracker) is an ass beating. The answer to an uninvited invader in your home is to try and expel them in the most practical way available.
I keep pointing out that your analogy of house to country is a poor. There is no point in answering it. Its like asking I saw some men walk out of your house late one night, is your mother a whore? What? I m not saying your mother is a whore I just thinking out loud.
What qualifies to be a citizen? Hmm good question, I dont know the answer to it but there are many americans that I wish were not citizens or are citizens but dont do shit.
No the answer to being attacked is call the police, not to take the law in your own hands.
And you don´t even understand what a metaphor really means.
(ass beating, you think you are a superhero or what?) (can you survive an attack with dynamite too? lol: that´s scary stuff)
And maybe they don´t have rights as citizens, but they are still people with rights.
Self-Defense is legal.
So what do you do while you are being attacked and are waiting for the police? Yeah, so while you are taking the pacifist route and hoping the cops can identify your body I'll be, legally, defending myself.
You have been attacked physically by an inmigrant? I don´t think so.
You can´t attack an inmigrant jumping the border because he is not attacking you in any way.
And now you don´t understand the self-defense concept, either.
The attacking was the solution noted in regards to having explosives tossed at a person, not in regards to border hopping.
I reiterate, you are both horrible with metaphor.
And you don't understand the illegal immigrant concept.
And I still state that neither of you have any understanding of illegal immigration, as apparently both of you think that the illegal aliens should be treated no different than actual citizens.
Your position is not defensible.
Because they aren't citizens.
And they should be treated with respect, as they are being deported.
"We are supposedly the greatest nation in the world, Why dont we live up to it?"
Being "the greatest nation in the world" doesn't mean you have to let undocumented people into your nation.
Being “the greatest nation in the world” doesn’t mean you have to act like an a-hole just because you don´t like foreing people and expend tax-money building an useless wall around the country.
Fail. I don't have a problem with foreign people. I fully support legal immigration. This is not a issue of racism, its an issue of parasitic invaders.
Using tax money in this argument is rather hilarious though. How many illegal aliens do you think are going to fill out their tax forms this year?
1. "I don’t have a problem with foreign people."
2. "its an issue of parasitic invaders."
3. "Using tax money in this argument is rather hilarious though."
Answers:
1. ORLY? I can´t believe...
2. Yeah, they are sucking you blood off, I guess. I guess to get up at 4 am to work on jobs anybody really wants in America qualifies like "being a parasite".
Let me guess, you parents are still supporting you, right?
3. This isn´t a tax issue? So I guess is a race issue, after all.
4. You failed harder.
It always amuses me when people try to turn this into a race issue. Pulling the race card is not any kind of defense against an invader coming in illegally and undocumented.
2. "2. Yeah, they are sucking you blood off, I guess. I guess to get up at 4 am to work on jobs anybody really wants in America qualifies like “being a parasite”."
Do they pay taxes? No. Are they registered with the Draft? No. And there are far far too many programs it seems to support them, despite them not actually paying taxes.
3. "3. This isn´t a tax issue? So I guess is a race issue, after all."
Again you fail. It doesn't matter if the illegal immigrant is from England, Zimbabwe, Australia, or Mexico. An illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant. Face up to the fact you have taken up an indefensible position.
Entering a country you are not a citizen of is not a right, its a privilege.
But out of amusement, do you think that the only qualifier for being a citizen of a country is walking into it?
Heres a shovel, keep digging your hole.
Again, you are the one whose position is on shaky ground. You support criminals who have no right to be in this country. None at all.
By re-quoting this, we have just show we are no longer the country that we once were. Dont give me no shit about implying that its for citizens or that common sense argument again since you failed to argue back earlier.
And once again your stating IT IS THE LAW AND PEOPLE SHOULD ABIDE BY IT. And I have argued it over and over again. People can create whatever Law they want. As I have said after the Chinese built the railroads, they tried to pass numerous laws to get deported back to china. In this sense the law, was created by the people in power to find away of getting rid of their problem of the Chinese. Just Because it is a law doesnt mean it is always the right thing to do. Hell in your opinion it was the right thing to do to beat someones ass after they threw a pop-pop firework at you. Good Job in following the law there.
Being welcoming to immigrants does not mean one has to be welcoming to illegal aliens. Once more, setting foot into a country does not make you a citizen of that country.
I m tired of this same argument again and again. Legal and illegal. dont even have anything to say besides trying grasp at air. Same argument same stupidity. Well as they stupid people will be stupid.
All it seems like, is that he is trying to get the last word. lot of good it is doing.