Minuteman Group Targets New Immigration Game

March 3, 2008 -
Issue-oriented PC game ICED (I Can End Deportation) continues to attract negative attention from anti-immigration activists.

The well-known Minuteman Civil Defence Corp (MCDC) has now turned it attention to ICED, which was launched on February 18th by human rights organization Breakthrough. In a solicitation on the Special Guests website, a trio of Minuteman officials are offering themselves as potential guests for talk radio programs.

Minuteman founder Chris Simcox, national executive director Al Garza and VP Carmen Mercer seem eager to criticize ICED, which their Special Guests posting describes as an "illegal alien video game which teaches kids contempt for U.S. immigration laws:"
National Executive Director, Al Garza, not only sees a problem with violence in video games in general but sees this video game as a “deliberate attempt to manipulate the minds of children to believe it is ok to reject the rule of law,” he says. U.S. Immigration authorities object to the video game because it is their view that it “trivializes” a very important issue.

An Associated Press video report describes some of the controversy surrounding ICED. Although we were unable to get a comment from Breakthrough president Mallika Dutt in time for this article, she has defended her group's game against criticism in the past:
ICED... is a video game about the lack of due process in the immigration system as it applies to legal permanent residents, asylum seekers and people who are here on valid visas - it’s not about illegal immigrants - as anyone who’s actually bothered to play the game would quickly realize.

GP: Big thanks to weatherlight from the ECA Forums for the heads-up on the video...

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Re: Minuteman Group Targets New Immigration Game

Thanks good job;

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YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

 

Re: Minuteman Group Targets New Immigration Game

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Hook, line, and sinker, man.
Hook, line, and freaking SINKER.

Well atleast the video game is serving its purpose, which I'm assuming was to spark discussion about immigration.

"U.S. Immigration authorities object to the video game because it is their view that it “trivializes” a very important issue."

Because, you know, video games ALWAYS trivialize the important issues they deal with. (cough cough)

Anyway, it's worth noting that the game "Border Patrol" release a few years ago was essentially presenting the opposite ideology of "ICED." That game, one may recall, was equally controversial and condemned - perhaps by a different subset of the non-gaming public. But there you go: games that deal with important issues, REGARDLESS of the perspective they assume, will be attacked and discussed.

BUT this is a good thing; this forces people who otherwise 1) consider the immigration issue and/or 2) consider videogames as a means of discourse on such an issue to do so. So often on GP the reaction seems to be one of "this shouldn't be controversial." On the contrary, I believe that if games are to grow as a medium (like any other), such controversy is not only welcome but necessary. This is the stuff of political discourse - held on both intellectual and facile levels as is customary for any issue in the general population. You dig?

People who help don´t go to TV advertising themselves. And I was talking about the employers.

I don't get why people always whine about due process. It's not like due process was one of the fundamental concepts behind the forming of the US to ensure the legal system would not be as unfair as that found in the UK back in the 18th century. I mean, being told what you're accused of when arrested, fair and expedient trial before a jury of your peers, the right to appeal your sentence all that bull seems highly over-rated.

I mean, I just watched Sweeney Todd and it seemed that the Judge acted responsibly in the best interests of the community. Why can't we go back to giving our law enforcement that kind of power, especially concerning the horrible danger of domestic terrorism.

@ Yuki

Your full of BS. An off topic.

->"1. The minute men dont act as vigilantes, they watch the boarder and call the Boarder patrol when they see illegals crossing it. They don’t open fire on them or anything unless they get shot at first.""2. The issue with Illegal immigration right now has 2 major problems. One, is border enforcment, which admittedly, is getting a little better but still sucks hard. THe calls for a border fence and other measures are not because of any hatred for illegals but because there is nothing THERE right now and america, LIKE any soverign nation, has a RIGHT to defend and secure it’s BORDERS.""3.. The current immigration process needs to be simplifed and STREAM lined and quickly. I’ve always said that we should grant people work visas and make them follow a series of rules, if they maintain it for 3 years, then they get to be permanat citizens and can also extend that ot there family. The rules would be as follows.""1. Must Work and PAY taxs for 3 years with no major felony violations. I”m not gonna prevent people from becoming citizens due to having a traffic ticket or 2.",-

According to the Boston Globe in Febuary (I'm at a lost on which date, 8-15), reported that the number of illegal/undocumented people in Massaschusetts, has steadly increased over a three year period before 2006, of PAYING TAXES. That's right, there are many states, that have in their books, for those, not of citizens of that state, to pay taxes. There is also a federal income tax section, that handles this same idea. On top of that, illegal folks, pay sales taxes for alot of the same things, we citizens do already.

Now, why would illegal immigrants, pay taxes? Its called 'Good Faith'.

->"2. THe MUST LEARN ENGLISH!! I don’t fucking care what country your from, I and over 70 percent of america want ENGLISH to be the countries offical laungage. You can speak whatever yo like but you have to LEARN english.""3. To prevent illegals from sending the bulk of there money home, they must pay a 5 to 10 percent higher tax rate then citizens, with drops after each year till they become citizens. That would not only keep there money here where they earned it, but also would help improve the economy and help with the nation budget."

@KayleL:

You are young, life has been kind to you. You will learn.

Saw this coming a mile away. Typical reaction from uninformed, out of touch asshats (for lack of a better term).

Teaches kids to reject the rule of law? Ahm... arn't the 'minutemen' a vigilante group and thus on the hazy side of the law as it is?

This is great. This means that the game is doing what it is supposed to. It is getting people to look at this issue publicly.

It is also showing the hypocrasy and bigotness of many organizations. I really need to download to the game and support it.

'Reject the Rule of law'


ha. I forgot, we live in a totalitarian society where you can never ever question the validity of a law, and to think otherwise is unpatriotic and makes you a terrorist.

/endsarcasm

What a jackass. No kid I know would even want to play this game. It's targeted at politically minded adults isn't it? Uninformed asshole.

@ GRIZZAM

But aren't all games made for kids? I could have sworn they were.

/sarcasm

"U.S. Immigration authorities object to the video game because it is their view that it “trivializes” a very important issue."

More like another viewpoint being allowed to be heard.

It's very easy for those such as the "minutemen" and the US Immigration authorities to use a blanket to condemn "illegal immigration". But the game, in fact, shows that "illegal" immigration isn't just a bunch of folks jumping over a fence or hiding in the back of a truck.

While I wholeheartedly am against the type of illegal immigration that is caused by individuals entering the country knowingly and intentionally illegally, I do understand the failures of the legal system that lead some who have legally entered the US to suddenly be considered "illegal". While I do not have personal experience with failures of the immigration system, I have personally had experience with the corruption and lack of ethics that the US government can create intentionally.

The "minutemen" and the US Immigration authorities condemn the expanded knowledge that this game provides. Funny how offering expanded knowledge is suddenly "trivializing" the issue.

I wonder how much condemnation the "minutemen" and/or the US Immigration authorities showed for "Border PatroL" or other games along those lines.

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As long as this game talks about people who does everything legally, I am just fine.

Funny that minutemen would condeam violence.

What's hilarious is that the original minutemen were formed in an attempt to expel the native americans and fulfill 'our god given task to settle this land'. Yet now, they use the same name to represent the 'native' united staters (yeah, it's a phrase :p) preventing the 'invaders'.

They could have at least chosen an accurate historical name for their rag tag band of thugs.

Let me guess, all video games are toys for little children along the lines of Hotwheel cars, thus any video game about a political issue trivializes it. Idiots...

@DeusPayne

By the logic of this, group, anyone who isn't full blooded american indian should be deported back to where their ancestors came from.

“deliberate attempt to manipulate the minds of children to believe it is ok to reject the rule of law,”

So "post 9/11" does mean "the new totalitarian theocracy of the United States of America".

I wonder if the Minutemen condone that one online game where you shoot at Mexicans who run across the border? (Can't recall the name, saw a clip of it on the news once.)

Actually Minute Men were formed as a militia group to be ready to battle the British during the American Revolutionary War. You have the internet at your fingertips and still won't look shit up?

As for the current minutemen being a vigilante group, that would only be so "reporting a crime to the autorities" equals "taking the law into your own hands".

I'm not for the Minutemen but I'm also not for spreading bullshit. What are you guys doing, battling ignorance with further ignorance?

I've had runins with the Minutemen. They're nothing but a bunch of tin horn racists, using "civil defense" and "the rule of law" as a cover for bigotry and hate of pretty much anyone who isn't white, protestant, Christian. They're the KKK 2.0

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/patriotsday/peopleevents/p_minutemen.html

"The minute men were, quite simply, Americans, born in New England. Vast distances of time and space made British authority more of an abstraction than a reality to them. Aside from trade regulation, probably the most important government service they required was defense against the Native Americans"

While the minutemen were primarily used (and mostly remembered) for defense against the British army, until that was necessary, they did defend against native americans, whom they were essentially taking land from.

Yes, I did look shit up. Apparently you just read the Wiki that doesn't mention that part of their history. (Notice all the 'does not meet wiki standards' all over that article as well)

Just because we are all gamers, doesn't mean that we need to attack everybody who objects to any given game. This is not Jack Thompson we are talking about here. These people (Minutemen) are absolutely right.

This country has laws. The laws allow for a huge LEGAL immigration. Hordes of people move to this country every year LEGALLY. I am one of those people by the way. Still, more people want to come, which is understandable. What is NOT understandable is that they are willing to break our laws in order to enter. Why the hell should we put up with this?

As an immigrant, I am 100% behind what the Minutemen are doing. And this game does indeed side with criminals and popularizes contempt for the law.

Yeah, people need to make sure that they're bashing their ignorant statements about the game, and not the group itself. The group, while people may disagree with their position, does little to nothing other than observe. Their primary goal is to make it easier for the proper authorities to arrest people crossing illegally. They may be doing something that you disagree with, but they are far from a vigilante group.

My comments are more of a humorous look at where they got their name from.

"While I do not have personal experience with failures of the immigration system."

I do. I almost lost a $$$$ job thanks to them losing my paperwork, twice.

And there was NOTHING I could do. Remember, immigrants have no rights.

@ Michael

There is nothing wrong with legal immigration. The problem we have with the Minutemen is that they are misrepresenting the game. The game is not about helping illegal immigrants to avoid the law or bypass the law. The game is about people who have come here legally are treated like second rate trash and denied due process for the smallest of offenses.

Try doing some research before bashing those who are informed.

Anyone here play the game?

Frankly it doesn't seem nearly as compelling as CoD4

@ Zachary

"Informed" eh? =) Well, I imagine its far better than "enlightened."

Either way, if I may, I'd like to direct you to www.icedgame.com where if you hover your cursor over the second person from the right (a Mexican fellow) you can listen to what he has to say. If you don't feel like doing it, I can quote him right here:

"My parents left Mexico for el Norte when I was just 5 years old. They wanted a better life for me and my brothers. But in those years there were more ways to apply for residency after living in the US for a period of time."

Now, how do you suppose they got here if they didn't have the right to residency?

You said that the "game is not about helping illegal immigrants to avoid the law or bypass the law." Well, in the case of this particular character - yes it is. There is more to it, true, but it appears that the makers are against deportation period. They don't seem to care whether it is done to those deserving or those undeserving. As far as they are concerned all of it is undeserving, which is plain wrong.

""E. Zachary Knight Says:
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:57 pm

@ Michael

There is nothing wrong with legal immigration. The problem we have with the Minutemen is that they are misrepresenting the game. The game is not about helping illegal immigrants to avoid the law or bypass the law. T""

nods nods nods
I support what they do but I tel you they like many other groups can be blind stupid sometimes...

""DeusPayne Says:
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:49 pm

Yeah, people need to make sure that they’re bashing their ignorant statements about the game, and not the group itself. The group, while people may disagree with their position, does little to nothing other than observe.""

Pretty much they are a bit blunderfussy but they try to do more than the government is trying to do, but like most groups who are not up to date with media they fail to fully understand the problem before whining about it..

Michael
Do you know how long it can take a white girl from canda to fully move here with her US husband and kid? 2-5 Y E A R S, and thats what 2 of my friends went through and the other is in collage married to a ex marine and still going through immigration hell after 2 years.

the system is so broken and antaqauited its a joke...

@ Micheal

I have read the bios of the characters. But to say that that mexican kid needs to be treated like trash becasue his parents made the choice to immigrate here illegally is very ignorant. But that is only one of the characters. The rest were here legally but made some minor mistakes.

People don't deserve to be treated like trash.

I don't think the game is anti-deportation at all. I think it is against the inhumane treatment of those being deported.

There is a difference after all.

@Michael

If USA is a country with laws, then why many people on the US are still hiring illegal inmigrants? The law applies both sides, not just one.

@ Zippy

I do in fact know how long it takes for a Canadian citizen to move to US where her husband lives. My friend's wife is finally arriving this weekend after quite a while.

Yes, the efficiency could be improved. Perhaps if you accepted a government job. I am sure you know that those tasked with these cases are horribly overworked. Apparently nobody wants a crummy government job, where they will have to do immigrants' paperwork for peanuts, but everyone wants to be processes fast.

@ Everyone

Moving on, I just played the game for a short while. It shows you different facts, such as this one:

"Registering to vote if you're not a citizen could possibly get you deported. Millions of immigrants who live in the U.S. and pay taxes are not allowed to vote. How is it that immigrants cannot vote, but they can fight in the Army?"

If the whole game is so bogus, I spit on it. Immigrants are not allowed to vote because they are IMMIGRANTS not CITIZENS. Voting is a privilege of a citizen. Service in the military is VOLUNTARY. Nobody has to serve if they don't want to. I served in the USMC, and at the same time couldn't vote because I had a greencard. This was my own choice, and I feel that the system is just.

Moreover, if you run a game, it gives you short profiles of all 5 characters:

1) Anna - a criminal. Smoking weed is illegal, whether we agree with it or not.
2) Suki - a visa violator. It was HIS responsibility to know the conditions of his stay here. My fife is on an F1 visa right now, and somehow she knows what she can and can't do.
3) Ayesha - the only plausible character.
4) Javier - an ILLEGAL ALIEN.
5) Marc - a weird case. It never mentions that the government is after him. Apparently he is in the US legally so WTF is the problem? Oh and it says he didn't know that joining the Army could mean he'll go to war. If so then he is a complete and utter idiot, because that is what the Army is for - to fight wars.

@ Rodrigo

People who hire illegal aliens are criminals themselves and should be punished as the law requires.

No Deus, you made an incorrect claim. I did not. I never made the claim Minutemen didn't fight against Indians. I know full well their role in history. I said they were created to confront the British, which is a fact.

You said they were formed "in an attempt to expel the Native Americans and fulfill our god given task to settle this land” which is not a fact regardless that they battled Indians. I stand by what I said.

@ Zachary

I do not believe that random people must be treated badly. However, I do believe that criminals should be actively searched for. When found they should be processed and punished in accordance with the law. In this case, punishment for being in the country illegally is deportation.

You may say that Javier is not responsible for the crime his parents committed when he was five. I agree. However, if he was a honest man, he should have turned himself in once he discovered that by being here she is committing a crime.

Additionally, you said that you "don’t think the game is anti-deportation at all." I beg to differ, since the very name of the game stands for "I Can End Deportation."

I played the game. While never directly encouraging it, it does air on the side that illegal immigration isn't bad.

The problem with people coming into the country illegally is that the people who contribute the time and effort to enter legally are trivialized. Why wait when you just jump a fence? If people just walked past the line for a console launch, who would stay and wait in line?

If you're arguing that everyone who wants to come to United States should be allowed, no questions asked, then shouldn't Americans be allowed into Mexico with citizenship? I wouldn't mind freeflow traffic just as long as I can buy some beachfront property down in Baja on the cheap, but apparently, the Mexican government isn't exactly warming up to that idea either.

Shitheads will be shitheads, and ignorant.

"Well atleast the video game is serving its purpose, which I’m assuming was to spark discussion about immigration."

No, the purpose was to spark discussion about the inhumane treatment of immigrants (legal or illegal) during deportation proceedings.

"The problem with people coming into the country illegally is that the people who contribute the time and effort to enter legally are trivialized. Why wait when you just jump a fence?"

That's a bit of a simplification.

First, there are immigrants coming over to this country from quite a few places other than countries that share a land border with the US. In fact, most immigrants arrive in the US by some other means than hopping the border in Mexico.

Second, you can get a fruit picker job by jumping the fence. You can't get a professional job by doing that.

Third, illegal immigration doesn't trivialize legal immigration, other than when racist and bigots paint all immigrants with the same brush.

Fourth, the H2-A (temporary agricultural worker) visa regulations are such that no US employer will ever hire a foreigner under those terms. Never. Well, as long as, they can get away with illegally hiring illegal immigrants. I would jump the fence under the same circumstances, too.

@Michael:

I´m not seeing Minutemen fighting them, anyways. It is much fun to chase illegals on the border, perhaps.

@ Rodrigo

Fighting whom?

And as someone mentioned before, the Minutemen do not "chase" anyone. They observe, and if they see illegal activity (such as some numb-nuts trying to cross) they alert the authorities. You'd be going out on a very long and shaky limb if you were to say this this is somehow cruel, immoral or illegal. Reporting crime is every honest person's duty.

First of all, to the people without degrees in something you cutting yourself off at the knees saying it's cool for people to immigrate illegally. They take you low skilled labor away from you and give it to the criminal enterprise who utilize unfair hiring practices.

You say Americans won't do the jobs? I say BS. Americans won't do jobs that don't pay a living wage. In this video I'm going to link is a conference dedicated to using fraudulent employment ad that Americans won't respond to so that they can hire more foreign labor.



Not only that but illegal aliens consume resources, tax dollars, land, jobs ect. without putting in their fair share.

@Pixelantes Anonymous
Ok you know what as long as illegal immigrants come over here legally I could care less about what some minuteman say about it possibly brainwashing kids. And whatever its purpose is it must be doing something.

Ah, America. The land of the free.

Unless you're brown.

GP, I kind of take issue with the term 'anti-immigration'. I support efforts to stop illegal immigration, but some of my best friends are legal immigrants from Mexico and Peru. The term as you used it is misleading.

That said, ignorance does not become Mr. Minuteman, and he definitely needs to learn to check his facts.

he is a jack ass
 
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