Whatever you think about Jack Thompson, there are times when he can play the media like a Stradivarius. And so it was that he managed to hold the attention of both the mainstream and gaming press for several weeks in 2006 while he sought to block the release of Rockstar’s Bully in Florida.
Thompson’s unusual suit, which charged that the T-rated Bully was a public nuisance, came before Judge Ronald Friedman on the Miami-Dade County Circuit Court. In an early-round win for Thompson, Friedman ordered Take Two to produce the game for an in-chambers viewing prior to its retail launch.
That would be Thompson’s only victory in the case, which quickly turned contentious (anyone surprised?). Thompson blasted Friedman endlessly following the judge’s ruling that he would not grant Thompson's petition to block Bully’s release. Thompson upped the ante by announcing that he would run for Friedman’s seat in 2008. We note that Thompson does not appear to be following through on that claim.
For his part, Judge Friedman wasted little time in filing a complaint against Thompson with the Florida Bar. The Friedman complaint was one of several on which the Bar opted to take Thompson to trial last November. In this multi-part series GamePolitics has been publishing excerpted transcripts from the video game-related portions of the Thompson Bar trial. Today's edition covers the direct testimony of Judge Friedman. Due to the length of Friedman's testimony, Thompson's cross examination of the judge will appear in the next installment.
( In the excerpted transcripts that follow, RF is Judge Ronald Friedman. JT is Thompson, TUMA is prosecutor Sheila Tuma and DT is Judge Dava Tunis, who is presiding over the case…)
TUMA: Can you tell us what Mr. Thompson asked you to do to make the determination of entering an injunction [to bock the release of Bully]?
RF: He wanted me to review the game and prohibit its distribution, which was scheduled a few days later, maybe a week later.
TUMA: Did you entertain his request?
RF: I did... I heard arguments from both sides. The counsel for the defendants [Take Two] did not think it was necessary to do any of this because under the First Amendment, they had a right to make the distribution.
Mr. Thompson believed this video was so bad that it should be prohibited from distribution to teenagers; and as bad as he made it sound, I indicated that I would in camera view the entire game. I ordered counsel to provide the equipment as well as somebody who could operate the equipment - I wouldn't know how to do it - and have him come down from, I believe it was New York.
They met - Mr. Thompson was present as well - in my chambers and proceeded to play the video. Now, even though I indicated that I would watch the entire game, they had I think what they call a cheater. They can skip from one spot in the game to another spot, etc. So it wasn't necessary - they indicated it would take about 200 hours to view the entire game, which of course would have been day and night for a long time.
I viewed somewhere bewteen and hour, and hour and a half of the video from spot to spot to get an idea of what the game was and, hopefully, the worst parts of the game. I made the determination - and I set a hearing for the following week - but I made a determination while I was watching it that it did not rise to the standard that would be required to prohibit the game under the First Amendment, which would be a standard of something that would incite to immediate violence.
While I found the game offensive... I wouldn't want my granddaughter watching it and it probably should have a different rating, that is, a mature rating rather than a teenage rating. That's not my call. That may be for the legislature or Congress or some other body, but under the First Amendment, they had the right to make that distribution...
TUMA: I would like you to look at Exhibit 48... Can you identify that letter, please?
RF: This is a memorandum from Jack Thompson to myself by e-mail and it is dated... October 13th, 2006... "Now that you have consigned innumerable children to skull fractures, eye injuries from slingshots and beatings with baseball bats without a hearing as to the danger, let me tell you a few things, with all respect for your office and with no respect for the arbitrary way in which you handled this matter-"
JT: Let me object, as I did yesterday [during Blank Rome attorney Rebecca Ward's testimony] to reading portions of the letter. Obviously, the full context is the letter itself... Of course, the fact that Ms. Tuma is doing this underscores the reason why she's doing it. She's trying to highlight some portion of this out of context. It's improper. It's also reversible error [on appeal].
DT: Do you have any response, Ms. Tuma?
TUMA: No, Your Honor, the same response as yesterday [that the full letters are submitted as evidence for Judge Tunis' review].
DT: Okay. The objection is overruled and Judge Friedman is available for cross examination. The Court is not going to limit your questions regarding these documents that are in evidence.
JT: Your Honor, I don't like to argue with you, but just to protect the record. The opportunity for cross examination has absolutely nothing to do with what the prosecutor is doing and what's improper that she's doing. And that is she can't have this witness or any witness testify to anything out of context... So having said that... Can I have a standing objection?
DT: Yes, sir...
TUMA: If you can go to the third paragraph...
RF: "What you conducted in your chambers, Judge, was the equivalent of Iran leading U.N. weapons inspectors around the country, taking them to places where the illegal activity was not occurring... I couldn't care less what you did to me. What I care is that you, through judicial arrogance, have hung countless kids out to dry at school that will now be meaner and more dangerous. Next time you promise a hearing, I'll bring a parent with me whose kid is in the ground because of a kid who trained to kill him or her in a violent video game. Try mocking that person, I dare you."
TUMA: Can you tell the Court who that letter is copied to?
RF: Defense counsel, the media and the Florida JQC [Judicial Qualifications Commission, i.e the agency that monitors judges].
Tuma: ...can you move to Exhibit 49? ...Can you tell the Court what that document is?
RF: "Verified motion to recuse presiding judge."
TUMA: And that was to recuse you in the case of Mr. Thompson?
RF: Yes, ma'am.
TUMA: Can you go to page two of that Exhibit, please? ...In paragraph 10, can you read the sentence...?
RF: "The late respected Dade Circuit Court Judge Reah Pincus Grossman, when she returned to the practice of law could not abide appearing before this judge, and now the undersigned [Thompson] knows why."
TUMA: Do you know Judge Grossman?
RF: Very well.
TUMA: Is she deceased?
RF: Rumors of her demise are greatly exaggerated.
TUMA: Is that a no?
RF: She is not deceased.
TUMA: Can you tell me, have you had a conversation with her regarding the statement that Mr. Thompson has made in this pleading?
RF: I was shocked to learn she had died. So I called her office, only to find that she had not. I spoke with her and she was just as shocked as I was about these pleadings.
TUMA: Can you tell the Judge what she told you if she ever spoke to Mr. Thompson?
RF: She said she didn't know Mr. Thompson, she has never spoken to Mr. Thompson, and she certainly didn't agree with anything alleged by Mr. Thompson.
TUMA: Thank you. Can you now read paragraph 11...?
RF: "The behavior of this judge was abominable, which was made all the worse by the fact that he engaged in these childish antics in front of the media in the courtroom."
TUMA: Thank you... can you please go to Exhibit 50...?
RF: This is a letter from Mr. Thompson to myself dated October 17th, 2006... "When the victims start contacting me, I'll tell them how you prevented the hearing and didn't review the entire game before you unleashed it upon them. I have never run into a more discouraging abortion of justice than in your courtoom. But it's not about me, Judge Friedman. It's about these kids. You think the riot in the OD -" that's the Orange Bowl - "was bad? Just wait."
TUMA: Thank you. Can you look at Exhibit 51 and identify that for the Court?
RF: A letter from Mr. Thompson to myself dated October 18th, 2006... "Gee. Care to go for violating 10 of your own orders in one week, Judge Friedman? How about your oath of office? We can count that as one... I'm wondering where this judicial misconduct is going to take us all... I have a pretty good idea, even if you don't. The great thing about our system of law is that it was spawned in the crucible of throwing off the yoke of a tyrant."
TUMA: Can you look at the next Exhibit...
RF: This is a [Thompson] pleading in the same case... "The Court then unethically and improperly then proceeded to enter his ruling in contravention of its own order... He then denied Thompson's request to cross examine and the Judge then violated his own order to view the game to completion, topped off by his childish and unethical refusal to conduct a hearing the next day as he had ordered... If this [Friedman's] Court is so foolish as to enter a show cause order [for contempt, against Thompson] as Take Two requests for trying to remedy this Court's unethical misconduct... then the aforementioned federal civil rights action will be amended to add this judge."
TUMA: Thank you. Can you please look at Exhibit 53?
RF: ...This is a news release entitled, "Dump the Bully Judge." ..."Thompson has chosen his opponent carefully, incumbent Ronald M. Friedman. Friedman is the man... unleashing upon America's preteen and teen children the extremely violent Columbine simulator video game Bully."
TUMA: And if you could go to the last of the media news release?
RF: ..."Circuit Court Judge Ronald Friedman is the embodiment of what more and more citizens understand to be the greatest domestic threat to liberty, a tyrannical judiciary that thinks it is above the law."
TUMA: And if you now look at Exhibit 54 and identify it for the record.
RF: This is a letter from Mr. Thompson dated October 24th, 2006 to the Attorney General of the United States... "Now [Take Two's law firm] Blank Rome is at it again, having enlisted a pliable Circuit Court Judge, Ronald M. Friedman, to abuse his contempt power to try to throw me in jail for for blowing the whistle on the judge's incredible misconduct and Take Two Blank Rome's as well. Judge Friedman... has improperly paved the way for a Columbine simulator video game to be sold to children. Interestingly, this game also contains gay sexual activity. Real cool stuff for 10-year-olds, no?"
TUMA: And this letter was also cc'd to Blank Rome, the media, congressional Democrats and yourself?
RF: That's correct.
TUMA: Can you please look at Exhibit 55?
RF: ...It's a letter from Mr. Thompson dated October 24th, 2006 to myself... "Dear Judge Friedman: Transmitted herewith is my application for [your] recusal... If you cannot decide whether or not to grant it, then I would suggest flipping a coin. Heads I win, tails you lose...
TUMA: Can you look at the next exhibit 50 and identify that for the Court, please?
RF: ...This is a pleading in the Bully case [from Thompson]... "Defendant's [Take Two] position - and it appears to be this Court's position as well - is that it can order secrecy worthy of a Star Chamber in order to shroud its misconduct from any review of any kind, judicial or public... However, this court has indicated that it looks with favor upon the notion that it can use its contempt power to cover up from judicial and public scrutiny its misconduct... Judge Friedman has even drawn his pleasant judicial assistant into this cover-up, the Judge's misconduct charade... This court now appears to be in full court press to abuse its contempt power to keep the lid on how thoroughly it botched its duty to have a real judicual inquiry into whether... the sale to school children of this Columbine simulator, poses a safety risk as the Miami-Dade School Board found unanimously that it did."
TUMA: "Thank you. Can you now look at Exhibit 60?"
RF: ...A [Thompson] pleading in this case... "...This is not acting like a judge. It's acting like a Bully. How ironic. How appropriate. No wonder this [Friedman's] Court had no problem with hundreds of fists landing on students' faces. He [Friedman] beats up lawyers for fun himself..."
TUMA: Can you please look at Exhibit 62 and read that for the record?
RF: ...A [Thompson] pleading in this case... "Judge Friedman was hoodwinked by Take Two employees who sat there in his chambers and presented to Judge Friedman with unsworn testimony with no cross examination by Plaintiif [Thompson], to which Plaintiff objected on the record, by falsely stating this [Bully] is not a violent game and that violence is uniformly punished in the game. These were lies which this Judge swallowed hook, line and sinker... Is this Judge [Friedman] going to admit to the whole world that he was taken for a ride by Take Two; that he violated his own orders in not reviewing the game to conclusion; and that his own misconduct was a travesty that explains why we are sitting here with tens of thousands of these [Bully] units sold abd played by minors?... Does a single sane person... think that this judge... is going to prove himself to have been fooled by a porn to kids video game company that is now know to have placed homosexual acts in this game sold to 10-year-olds?"
TUMA: ...If you can look at Exhibit 64...
RF: This is a transcript of proceedings before myself on October 25th, 2006 in this [Bully] case... My recollection is that there were two matters that were supposedly to be heard. One was the matter of contempt that the defendants [Take Two] were seeking [against Thompson] and the other was the [Thompson] issue of recusal [of Judge Friedman].
TUMA: Did you recuse yourself in this case, Your Honor?
RF: I did... Because I filed a complaint with the Florida Bar... As the Court has heard... I thought that the conduct of Mr. Thompson was unprofessional and violative of his oath as a lawyer in the state of Florida. I thought, number one, while I found it offensive and I, like everyone else, don't like to have my name besmirched; nevertheless, even if everything he said about me was true - and it was very hurtful to me - it was an abuse of his oath because it was demeaning to our system of justice and the court system, and I couldn't tolerate that.
TUMA: Thank you. Can you now look at Exhibit 65...
RF: That's a letter from Thompson to myself, October 25th, 2006... "Here's a tip for you, Judge. I don't just practice law. I save lives from reckless jurists like you... I serve those broken-hearted people, not arrogant tyrants like you... I'm a lot of bad things, but I'm not a liar. You are. You promised and ordered hearings that never occurred and you even told the nation that you reviewed a video game that you didn't even see but for one percent of it. You then came out before the cameras and pronounced the game perfectly safe. You're the kind of guy who would wave into the intersection a child to be run over by a semi. I'm looking forward to my judicial race against you and win or lose, you're going to be exposed as the prevarictator and a facilitator of violence and porn to kids that you are. You will never agree to a debate in our race because you can'yt control that situation. You won't have a Sheriff to shut me up. America's a great place where citizens get to cleanse the public dole of thugs like you. I'm looking forward to doing just that..."
TUMA: If you can look at Exhibit 66, Judge...
RF: This is entitled, "An open letter to the Florida Bar about the Bully judge," dated October 27th, 2006... "There's a transcript of the bizarre seance he [Friedman] held in his office with Take Two employees giving him testimony, not under oath, and preventing cross examination by me. I call it the Kim Jong Il guided tour of North Korea to find where the nukes are not..."
TUMA: I just have one last question. Can you explain to the Court the effect that Mr. Thompson's conduct and sending you these letters have had on you?
JT: Objection, relevance.
DT: Overruled.
RF: Well, I think I previously said it hurt me to see in writing or even hear somebody demean me the way he has. But I was even hurt more for our judiciary because I wear the robe - and it's not about me. It's about our system of justice and the respect that's due to the judiciary.
NEXT: Jack Thompson cross-examines Judge Friedman...
WHILE YOU'RE WAITING: Check out this amazing video of Thompson's appearance in Judge Friedman's court, filmed by Niero of Destructoid.
Comments
So much for "exalting" women. Jack is more of a bully than he would probably like to admit to anyone but himself.
Ah, that's just funny, since Jacky's the biggest liar I know. Then again, I suppose he believes every word out of his mouth, so I guess he's technically not lying, just wrong.
I remember reading most of these mails/press releases/etc here the last several years thinking "how does he get away with this..?"
Well, he isn't -- its coming back to haunt him, and it is BEAUTIFUL to watch (figuratively).
So he isn't supporting Jack as much as he is wanting someone to beat the FL Bar? It must have been very frustrating to know the right things that should be said and having Jack always say the wrong things. He might have just left in frustration.
It is funny Jack trying to spin that the balliffs were threatening the man so he left. Do you really think the Judge would say "You can stay" then have the balliffs grab him and drag him out?
see he still has alot more digging to do!!!!
(If you are reading Jack, that last bit is not a threat. It is merely an illustration of the short time any of us are here on this earth per lifetime and how we should enjoy what we have.)
"RF: [JT]... The sale to school children of this[Bully, which in no way is a...] Columbine simulator, poses a safety risk as the Miami-Dade School Board found unanimously that it did.”"
And we sure know how well that turned out... Not like kids were bullying others or using such devices as sling-shots for ages before video games existed...
"RF: [JT]…This is not acting like a judge. It’s acting like a Bully. How ironic."
Darn, what would one call this bit of double irony?
"RF: [JT] I save lives from reckless jurists like you… I serve those broken-hearted people, not arrogant tyrants like you… I’m a lot of bad things, but I’m not a liar....[SNIP]"
Again complete BS, Jack has NEVER provided anyone with such evidence he is anything but a MASSACRE CHASER!
"RF: [JT] You will never agree to a debate in our race because you can’yt control that situation. "
Sheeet, maybe I need to stop pointing out all the irony and hypocrisy....
"TUMA: Can you explain to the Court the effect that Mr. Thompson’s conduct and sending you these letters have had on you?
"JT: Objection, relevance."
... Although I do find it funny Jack hasn't said a word/objected until now(assuming it would have been noted). Does he really think having the letters in full context helps his case?
"GP: NEXT: Jack Thompson cross-examines Judge Friedman… "
Oh boy....
http://groups.google.com/group/Lawmen/browse_thread/thread/c85497d93b4bc...
to read Jack's attempt to get the FBI involved. After reading the big page o' lies, shouldn't the FBI be arresting Jack for filing a false report?
Additionally, his call for mediation is equally hilarious. Jack has been all full of bluster, piss and vinegar for 4 years while this is going on, and now that the Florida Bar and the SCOFLA has him by the short and curlies, he wants to mediate. And even in his request to mediate, he still manages to hurl insults.
That dude ain't right in the head.
Sorry: I mean "too crazy"...
You're thinking of part 5, part 4 was with Jim Smith. THAT was funny.
Honestly, the things that JT have done go beyond the pale of what a lawyer can do. Lawyers used to have to take classes on courtroom civility, so that they don't turn the court into a place of ad hominem attacks and shouting matches. Obviously, he was too busy out finding the quick buck and chasing an ambulance to go to class that day.
GP: Pic is from a 2006 protest outside T2 HQ in NYC... with the Peaceoholics community group to protest Bully.
BTW, apparently former Dade Circuit Court Judge Reah Pincus Grossman is respected but not late.
GP: Yes, Judge Friedman made it clear that Jack completely got Grossman's death wrong... Jack explains that - sort of - in the next segment.
Well, to be fair, he was completely slammed by every question asked by Tuma in this preceeding. Just look at it. I don't know if I would be doing as well after that crap (which may be why I don't act like JT)
Uh oh. Jack forgot to put in the magic word "figuratively" in there. Hes gon get it naw!
As amusing as that would be, him being a faulty prognosticator is not the issue before the court.
@ Dr Wunderman:
Wanna re-test Jack? Your initial results appear just a bit off.
I now feel very sorry for every judge that has had to put up with Jack. He wasn't "speaking truth to power", or bringing a corrupt judge to the people's attention, or any like that. No, this was harassment. No wonder Friedman filed a bar complaint.
@ GP
So will the cross-examination be up tomorrow? Or will it be part of Jack's closing argument? Are we looking at seven or eight parts now?
GP: I'm hoping for the cross-exam tomorrow, Thursday at the latest. Yeah, I didn't plan on breaking Friedman up into two parts, but it was really too long for just one. So, I guess 8 parts...
Of course not. Everything he's done in court when the tables turn has been nothing but stalling tactics. Deny everything, blame everyone. Do anything possible to try to discredit or remove anyone in his way.
I wonder how much different things would be if he tackled something else like the RIAA/MPAA or maybe even went on an campaign to educate parents about the ratings system.
GP: The links you have to the videos have been taken down by youtube.
GP: really? I wonder why... Hmmm...
“Now that you have consigned innumerable children to skull fractures, eye injuries from slingshots and beatings with baseball bats"
Slingshots? Really? When did we go back to 1951?
"Now I don't like to argue with you, Judge"
Did he really say that?
As I said in the last part, I'd love to get the opinions of JTs Law Professors on his conduct/behaviour/antics over the last few years...
I also love how he subtracts a few years from the intended audience of videogames. If it's rated M (17+), it's for 14 year-olds. If it's rated T (13+), it's for 10 year-olds.
By the way, the two videos at the end of the article are no longer available.
And yet there's more? *boggle*
As usual, JT is going to try to turn the tables on Friedman, try to justify his pathetic behaviour, by somehow blaming it all on the judge...
"I di'int wanna have a tantrum, but he, he... he's a big meanie!"
2. Standing objections DO NOT preserve error, must still make the objection adn receive the ruling everytime.
JT keeps bringing this up, that the Judge didn't play the game to completion. Thing is, has JT EVER played a game to completion? He's so quick to lambast everyone for not playing these 200 hour games, but then he bases all of his accusations about them being murder simulators on what?
Seriously...you can see his hypocrisy from the Moon.
But really? Lying about a Judge's death to scare someone? How much lower can he get?
Only smart thing Jack said the entire time.
I believe that quote was pointing out the different methods of inflicting injury within "Bully".
How many of these Violent, sadistic murder trainers' have you played through Jack? Oh yes, that's right. Zero (to my knowledge).
Good going JT. A winnar is u!
Yeah, It probably was, but I thought it also served to demonstrate how detached JT is from reality and everything in between cloud cuckoo land.
"Also, you're an idiot!"
Jack has only one person to blame in all of this.
I can't wait to see THAT explanation. Will he pull the "figuratively speaking" card? Will he pull the "I meant what would happen if you continued to be reckless" card? Will he pull the "she would die of embarassment, IN THE PAST" card? Will he blame Friedman's staff for misinforming him? Will he claim her staff called HIM? Stay tuned!
From what i understand, Jack makes a point of pissing everyone off, so that if they act against him, he will claim they were unfairly biased.
I imagine that Judge Tunis is more than aware of this, and is forced to act like a saint, in order to make sure the entire hearing is not invalidated by Jack's legal trickery.
Jack is a wretched human being, who clearly hates himself, and therefore wants everyone to suffer.
Pity then Judge Tunis and Shiela Turna who are forced to bite their tongues in order to ensure justice is properly served.
ROFL
JT: Objection, relevance.
DT: Overruled."
Do i recall incorrectly, or didnt JT consistently refer to the emotional distress of the grieving mother in regards to that murder case, just before? Hypocrite much?
[b]TUMA[/b]: Is that a no?
[b]RF[/b]: She is not deceased.
Can you say classic? :D
Ok, but a little more serious now, those letters to the judge, they're aweful, not to mention those press-releases. Assuming he treats all his targets like this, how has he not been accused, tried and found guilty of slander, harassment, defamation and probably quite a few other charges???
I do find it very amusing that JT is essentially riding his own trainwreck to disbarment. :)
LOL
after reading these transcirpts I can say with 100% certainty the last thing I would be scared of is Jack Thompsons "legal trickery" as this would imply that he infact has some workable knowledge of the law.
Have you at all started to dig your way out from under that mountainous pile of exhibits? If not, you should get to it, chop-chop. It'll be a while digging before you hit any air.
I like how he can't even object to this crap.
RF: Rumors of her demise are greatly exaggerated.
TUMA: Is that a no?
RF: She is not deceased.
omfg. this judge is awesome.
However, Judge Tunis is having none of that, and I bless her for it.
GP: Well, he made a standing objection for the record to the reading of excerpts from the Exhibits, so there was really nothing for him to do... He has a LOT to say in the next segment when he cross examines Friedman.
actually im enjoying watching this
I agree. HE may feel he's going down as a martyr for the cause, but yeah, in the end, he's the (figuratively speaking, of course :P) suicide bomber standing at the only embassy gate that doesn't have a bunch of targets, who forgot to pack the detonator. Or explosives... ;)
*click*
And then he trudges sadly home to face reality for another day...
What's that called? A lie, cloaked in falsehood, and wrapped in bullshit.
The "rumors of her death have been greatly exaggerated" line is a quate from Mark Twain after the rumors of his death had been spread.
"after reading these transcirpts I can say with 100% certainty the last thing I would be scared of is Jack Thompsons “legal trickery” as this would imply that he infact has some workable knowledge of the law."
My thoughts exactly.
Of course, this doesn't stop him from accusing his opponents of using legal trickery. Like evidence, or testimony, or... laws and such things... Cheaters! ;)
How low is "low?" Whale poo-poo low.
"The “rumors of her death have been greatly exaggerated” line is a quate from Mark Twain after the rumors of his death had been spread."
Get the feeling that this is some wild and crazy adventure out of Innocents Abroad? Like any minute now Jack is going to don a tophat and announce that he is really the great French tourist guide... Bill Goldfinger...
@Dracis & Captain Sensible
(you guys think this is a train wreck ill bet money the cross exam makes this look like a picnic)
JT: Objection, relevance.
DT: Overruled.
You know, I think Jack forgot what he is in court for. He keeps going off onto tangents about Take Two, but then he tries to object on the basis of relevance to the effects of his own actions, which the most relevant thing here. Does he really have no idea why he is there? Or does he have a set of dice, and on one it has things like "Objection", "Move to Strike" and on the other things like "Relevence", "Heresay" and he just rolls them each time a new line of questioning starts.
What was so funny and different about this one is that there is very little of the witness talking, and very much of just reading the things Jack sent.
I'd like to make a prediction. In the next update, Jack will attempt to villify the witness by pressing why he didn't play the whole game. Then he will go off on a tagent about how he was justified for doing what he did because he was worried about the children. And neither one is really relevant.
...
GP: The links you have to the videos have been taken down by youtube.
GP: really? I wonder why… Hmmm…
Considering YouTube is now the property of Google (a highly visible company), I'd wager that Jack Thompson placed legal threats against the moderators of Youtube, etc. etc... He's done the same thing to Wikipedia over his own article [it's well documented in the discussion page], so now they heavily restrict what is placed on their website about him, just to avoid the trouble.
Female. In most languages, names ending in "a" have a better than good chance of being female.
the honorable dava tunis is female
(in case your wondering why im using the correct titles even though im not in court the fact that they both have dealt this long with jack and havent snapped, this has earned them a lifetime of respect in my book)
Judge Dava Tunis is female (google is your friend)
I know, which only makes my failure more complete.
I had thought so, but wasn't sure.
The video was enjoyable. I enjoyed how he kept pushing the contempt motion after the judge recused himself and said that he wouldn't be hearing the contempt motion.
I'm pretty sure JT has threatened GP after the first edition of this series.
now everything we gamers said back then is coming full circle
The part I like is when Judge Friedman says (I think, the audio wasn't the greatest), "Bailiff, if Mr. Thompson raises that sign again, cuff him." I tend to think that's what was said because Jack ain't never raise his sign again afterwards. That's some fall out ya chair stuff, right there.
He should go into constructions!
I mean look at him digging that hole! wooot!
He digs deep and digs fast!
(sadly he keeps forgetting to leave a way OUT of his holes)
@Jack Thompson
seriously... this is so unbecoming of you.
remember, even if you fight with the right motives for the right reasons, doing it the wrong way is just as bad as having the wrong motives.
Under the so-called rule of completeness, “[w]hen a writing or recorded statement or part thereof is introduced by a party, an adverse party may require him or her at that time to introduce any other part or any other writing or recorded statement that in fairness ought to be considered contemporaneously.” Fla. Stat. § 90.108(1) (2007).
As Judge Tunis rightly ruled, the entire document being read from is already admitted into or will be admitted into evidence. The rule of completeness is thereby satisfied. Moreover, whatever negative effect may be caused by having the witness read a portion of the complete document (which, again, is already or will be in evidence) is subject to cure by Jack when he cross-examines the witness.
I hope Jack ain't hanging his appeal on a claim that Judge Tunis' overuling his completeness objection is reversible error.
Dumb, duh, dumb, dumb. Dumb.
RF: Rumors of her demise are greatly exaggerated.
Hehe, I like when people say that
"...is what a rude jerk who wants to get disbarred by the Florida Bar would write! I love you man! -JT"
I figured it out!
Also "I'm a lot of bad things, but not a liar. You are." EPIC LULZ
"I'm a lot of bad things, but I'm not a liar".
No, Jack.. you're a liar. You stretch the truth so far its not even recognizable anymore.
Ever see Ferris Bueler's Day Off?
Remember the principal of the school?
Yah... that's who Jack Thompson reminds me of.
This ain't brain surgery. I can get it. You can get it. Anyone but Jack can get it.
These articles are really fun to read. I don't know much of anything about the courts. It's educational. Honestly, if the prosecutor weren't there, I'd be wondering if all lawyers argue with/snap & threaten the judges when they don't get their way.
(The real irony is all of this only makes me want to go buy Bully. How did porn creep into this? Since when does Bully have anything in it that you can't see worse on fox prime-time?)
I was pretty sure Judge Tunis is a woman, but what I want to know is how do you pronounce her first name? Is it with a hard A (like "Dave") or a soft A (which would be pronounced "Dah-va"). Sometime these names have unusual pronunciations. For example the actress Daveigh Chase (who played Samara in The Ring and had leading voice roles in Lilo and Stitch and Spirited Away), I used to think it was pronounced "Dah-vey," but I've since come to understand it's actually pronounced like "Davey." I'm wondering because I read these transcripts and articles alound to my girlfriend for her entertainment.
I'm not going to say anything more about Jack because I think I've said all there is to say about him fro right now. That and all those excerpts Judge Friedman read are old news, having already been reported here.
no need to cringe it will be horribly beautiful lol
I can only imagine what he pulled in his cross examination. You almost want to take the proverbial shovel away from him... I did say almost :P
sorry to say man but
tune same batshit crazy time same batshit crazy channel!!
re: thrown in jail for contempt of court.
I was thinking just the same thing. I can not understand how he wasn't called into Judge Friedman's office and offered a chance to withdraw his filing or face being in contempt of court. Just incredible.
its very simple really, every other prisoner would have screamed cruel and unusual punishment being locked in a room with jack thompson and had to be released =p
"I can not understand how he wasn’t called into Judge Friedman’s office and offered a chance to withdraw his filing or face being in contempt of court."
Because that would have involved JT going into Judge Friedman's office... And I think at that point, it was the last thing the judge wanted... He'd had enough of Jack's antics. Better to close everything down, file a complaint, and be done with it (at least until he's called as a witness).
@JDKJ
Yep, GP said Thursday at the very latest for Part 6-2. :)
err you just lied when you said that sentence JT
By the way, I made a title for the movie of this trial:
"WHO KILLED MY FAX MACHINE?: THE TRIAL OF JACK THOMPSON"
Porn crept in as Jack thinks two males kissing (which is possible in Bully IIRC) is pornographic.
Back to the article, I think it's great that all of these (most of which I'm sure I've seen before) are coming back to haunt Jack. Besides that, only a couple things I find note worthy offhand.
JT: Let me object, as I did yesterday [during Blank Rome attorney Rachel Ward’s testimony] to reading portions of the letter. Obviously, the full context is the letter itself… Of course, the fact that Ms. Tuma is doing this underscores the reason why she’s doing it. She’s trying to highlight some portion of this out of context. It’s improper. It’s also reversible error [on appeal]. DT: Do you have any response, Ms. Tuma?
TUMA: No, Your Honor, the same response as yesterday [that the full letters are submitted as evidence for Judge Tunis’ review].
You'd think Jack would have figured out the day before that he's in the wrong on his objection. Then you remember it's Jack and he never learns. Still I find it funny that this basically reads "I object same as yesterday." "My response is same as yesterday." "Overruled, same as yesterday."
TUMA: I just have one last question. Can you explain to the Court the effect that Mr. Thompson’s conduct and sending you these letters have had on you? JT: Objection, relevance.
DT: Overruled.
Anyone else find it hilarious that the moment the questioning turns to what impact Jack's actions have had on the judge, he objects that it isn't relevant?
Which brings me back to the Florida Bar. Judge Friedman did the right thing: send him back to the ones who let him prance around with a license in the first place. With a note: "Here. He's your problem. You deal with him."
ANY person who says this is LYING!
Let me fix that for you, Jack...
JT: "I'm not a lawyer."
There, now you're telling the truth. Or soon will be.
The problem is he has never once invoked the rule of completnece, he simply states" I object that she is reading it out of context"
My answer as a judge would be...OK, and...?
Its like saying "I object!" and then sitting down, really doesn't do much haha
Did he actually claim a freaking judge was dead? Oh Jesus!
RF: Rumors of her demise are greatly exaggerated.
TUMA: Is that a no?
RF: She is not deceased.
I like this guy.
I would say that out of what we've seen, this is the most damning. Just reading some of those emails, it becomes clear that Jack Thompson is a raving lunatic crackpot who writes a hundred emails a day to the FBI about how their neighbor is in cahoots with Iran and their boss is a communist.
He isn't really required to state his objection with exacting specificity. In fact, I'm not sure he even has to state a basis for the objection. Just yelling out, "Objection!" may sometimes work. That's because it's Judge Tunis' responsiblity to give him every benefit of the doubt and, if he states a colorable objection, it's kinda her job to fully color it for him.
But that's the make-it-funnier part. Even with the court helping him to color, he still can't get his crayon inside the lines.
Liar, lawyer, mirror tell me what’s the difference?
-Tool, “The Pot”
I'm not sure if its a difference in States or simply because its Jack Thompson and no one wants to give him even a little tiny crack to cling too, but were I practice you must state a legal basis for your objection, simply objecting never ever works. I have seen judges shut down many many attorneys for not stating the reasons behidn their objection.
Now I have seen judges "nudge" attorneys to what the objection should be in really bad cases, but most of the time if you don't state exactly why or if you state the worng one (seen that alot) then tough shit the question/answer gets in.
Ex. Cop is testifying about what a non-tesitfying victim told them about a crime.
1. Objection!....Overruled
2. Objection hearsay....overruled.
3. Objection- violates my clients sixth amendment right to have allwitness presented againt them as set out in Crawford.....Sustained.
and of course there are two good reasons and one "tacitical reason" to object.
1. to keep out evidence that is improper.
2. to preserve error (which has not once done correctly)
and finally the only one jack knows of
3. to interupt the opposing counsel and make their jobs harder.
4.i object this makes me look bad!!!
I think his body language, and behaviour directly to the judge shows what contempt he has for anyones opinions, and the law, except what he believes to be right. He is a sexist, homophobic misanthrope.
Judge: Why?
Fletcher: Because it's devastating to my case!
Judge: Overruled.
Fletcher: Good call!
Seconded XD
Looks like we were right. After the Sanction, he filed four times on Thursday (skipped Good Friday) and filed four more times yesterday. I give him until Thursday for them to actually take action for ignoring his sanction.
Maybe he feels that they don't have the authority to sanction him. After all, he is God's Lawyer.
Maybe he wants to push them to find him in contempt because he still thinks he can claim they are denying him his rights (even after in their santioning they provided cases where the US Supreme Court has done the same).
Maybe he is a bad lawyer AI with an extra Goto 10.
Who knows?
I believe they were clarifying the fact that Thompson meant the judge no longer had the amount of respect she had before. But then again, she had never heard of Thompson before, so it kinda shows how far Thompson is going to misconduct himself as a lawyer.
It could also be that he was trying to drag as many judges under the dirt as he could. Emphasis on trying because he wasn't succeeded very well.
On topic:
Is there a place where I can read the entire transcript of the trial? I'm rather curious to see if there are other parts of the trial that don't involve the gaming industry that are testifying against him. Reading those might be worth a look to me. Not sure about everyone else.
In any case, Thompson is in some serious trouble if he couldn't counter any of that. He could get summary judgment then and there if he doesn't.
did he really bring a sign about improper criminal conduct in regards to judges to his hearing on contempt??? or were my eyes mistaken?
Are we entirely sure that the Supremes dismissed his Motion for Re-hearing outta hand and on the same he filed it? In a case where I'm sure they'g wanna CYA, that's kinda weird. I figured they'd wanna give him an opportunity to make a fool of himself for their record.
IIRC, this transcript is from paper copies that GP obtained. So there's no place to get a full transcript online at this time to my knowledge.
Well, the motion for re-hearing via oral arguments, that one he is allowed. It's basically giving him one last chance to appeal the sanction order (essentially it's an opportunity for him to apologize and promise that he'll cease and desist, but fat chance of that happening)
The rest just seem to be spammy shotgun notices he's trying to cram in before the order comes into effect...
Are we entirely sure that the Supremes dismissed his Motion for Re-hearing outta hand and on the same he filed it? In a case where I'm sure they'd wanna CYA, that's kinda weird. I figured they'd wanna give him an opportunity to make a fool of himself for their record.
Thanks for the link. As I read the docket (I could be wrong), they haven't ruled on his Motion for Re-hearing and, therefore, the "get another attorney to sign" order is not in final effect.
There's no note on the file as to what's happened to his request for a re-hearing. His requests to Recuse/Disqualify Justices, and dismiss both complaints for prosecutorial misconduct were both denied, but they were filed the same day the order came down.
The new stuff is:
- the request for re-hearing via oral argument
- request for court-ordered mediation (his usual stall tactic) (you can read his filing on Google Groups, do a Google for "Dava Tunis") In it he basically threatens to take this to federal court, but he's already tried that and been told to wait for the Florida courts to finish with him...
- and some kind of notice to the court (seems to be a letter, could be the CC of him demanding the FBI arrest Bar members...)
Yep, he's spamming 'em.
Motion for Mediation, Jack? Yeah, right.
Don't know, can't read all that legal jibber-jabber (sorry, just heard about an A-Team movie).
I guess we will find out in a few hours to see if four more show up... :)
"There’s no note on the file as to what’s happened to his request for a re-hearing."
That's what tells you the court hasn't ruled. When it does, it'll pop-up as an entry on the docket.
Well, I admit, that sort of thing tends to make you jump back a step, but damn, if he thinks that's porn; he must be leading quite a cloistered life.
@Paul Kerton
Honestly? I'm wondering if there's anyone out there he actually likes. New Gamepolitics contest, find someone Jack Thompson actually gets along with. No fair cheating and using his immediate family.
You know what doesn't make a lick of sense to me? How does one manage to continue to be a lawyer for 20+ years, if all one's really doing pretty much is pissing of judges from court to court? Is it my imagination or did the bar prosecutor not have any real difficulty lining up judges willing to testify against him? Setting aside any professional code, wouldn't a line of pissed off judges make it harder, to, I don't know, WIN CASES?
is he really that insane??!!
"wait the fbi arrest bar members???!!!! is he really that insane??!! "
Yes, he's apparently alleging Criminal Conspiracy in Violation of 18 USC 241 and 18 USC 242...
Basically 241 it makes it a crime for two or more people to conspire to deny someone their constitutional rights. 242 extends this to include law officials acting on their own.
You're beginning to make me think my time spent playing 20 Questions with you wasn't a total waste.
What about that lawyer that had to chip in what Jack should say? The Judge sounded upset that someone was giving hints from the peanut gallery. What I don't get is that the judge said he could stay as long as he wouldn't be talking from the audience, but he decided he would leave instead. I mean, he at least was trying to keep Jack from looking foolish (-er), would that count?
18 USC § 241
Conspiracy Against Rights
"If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured--
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death."
18 USC § 242
Deprivation of rights under color of law
"Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death."
What was funny was Jack trying to argue that the guy was somehow his "assistant", which of course the judge didn't buy (if he was assisting, why was he in the audience and not at Jack's table?)
From the guy's background, it seems he too has been spanked by the Bar for violating Bar rules of conduct. He too has appealed to the Florida Supreme Court stating the Bar is acting illegally.
Other than that, don't know much about his deal.
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same;...
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
LOL!
TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Double LOL!
"I like reading Tompsons cross examinations the most."
Ditto. The rest is just rehashing what we already know. The cross-exam is Jack's chance to shine. Er. Well... to at least entertain us with humorous attempts at defending his bad behavior, by attacking his opponents, with bad behavior...
The Judge Friedman cross-exam should be good, especially how Jack will likely try to focus on the "you violated your own order" rant he's been going on since that day...
Moebius: Kain!?
Kain: Is there a crack in your omniscience after all, Moebius?
"(Moebius tries to use the scepter of power used to control/weaken kain... it doesn't work)"
Kain(with a grim smile.)
Kain:First your omniscience, and now your powers. You are slipping badly.
Moebius takes a step back.
Moebius
This is not possible...
I just got done playing that again last week.
BANE XXIII
Minneapolis, MN
Cornfed: Objection your honor.
Judge: On what grounds?
Cornfed: So the Jury doesn't hear the truth.
If he thought he was actually wrong, Jack might do that.
Douche Bag
When they get to, "TUMA: If you can look at Exhibit 66" Only one thought went through my head.
Damn..... That's a lot of dirt.
JT must have his own personalized shovel with his name on it.
He just keeps digging himself a hole.
If it wasn't illegal, I would bet real money at this point on a theory I have.
I would bet money that JT is going to use the, "Why didn't you view the whole thing?" Argument and Friedman will respond:
"As I previously stated, I don't know how to play these games. My kids do that.."
FOllowed by the, "You can't get the experience of playing Bully or GTA until you've played them" argument.
Followed then by: Friedman, "HAve you ever played Bully Mr. Thompson?"
JT: "ahhh....No..."
But that might be just wishful thinking.
bonus points if you know where that came from
He claims he's "defending the children, the families, and future victims"... that's an insult to all the teachers, parents, and organizations who tackle the real problems and make a real difference in the lives of kids....
Back to your cave, sir, for the children..
His right of free speech isn't being compromised (far from it infact) and neither is his right to a fair trial. (speedy is questionable, but he's causing most of the delay)
He probably sees this as an "unfair" trial (since it makes him look like an ass) but procedure is being followed and as such his right to trial isn't affected i think.
Am i correct in thinking this??
"So he isn’t supporting Jack as much as he is wanting someone to beat the FL Bar? It must have been very frustrating to know the right things that should be said and having Jack always say the wrong things. He might have just left in frustration."
It's entirely possible. ;) "Psssstt! You were supposed to say "objection - hearsay! No! You're doing it all wrong!"
"It is funny Jack trying to spin that the balliffs were threatening the man so he left. Do you really think the Judge would say “You can stay” then have the balliffs grab him and drag him out? "
You're not thing conspiratorially. ;) Of course the judge would do one thing and say another. Jack was just, as usual, being whiney. I'm surprised he didn't have a temper tantrum right then and there...
Jack firmly believes that his right to a Bar license is somehow linked to his the 1st Amendment. In that by trying to take his license away, the Bar is somehow preventing him from his right to speech and to petition the government for redress.
Except they're not. They're just preventing him from representing anyone else (in his capacity as a Florida lawyer) who wants to do so. Which of course, is not a right... hence the Bar exam and license...
He say his free specch rights are violated because he's not being allowed to say whatever he wants about whoever he wants to whomever he wants. He also says his free exercise of religion rights are violated because he's been targeted for having particular religious beliefs.
1) SCOFLA asks him to Show Cause for his many, many filings clogging the system and states they have the right to sanction him via several precedents listed in their order.
2) Jack responds with "you're insane" and "you can't deny me my 6th Amendment rights to petition the court because of Faretta v. California."
3) SCOFLA issues sanctions and states that Faretta doesn't apply (it's for criminal trials only) and again lists the precedents that apply, but Jack gets to respond.
4) Jack responds with "you're making a big mistake" and "your building will be (figuratively) bombed out" and you're violating my constitutional rights because of Faretta.
5) Jack asks US district attorney to arrest the SCOFLA because they're in a conspiracy to deny him his rights and uses those two statutes.
See? Perfectly logical!
thank you both for clearing that up for me. :)
Thank you too :)
And putting it all in context is going to help you HOW???
Again with the "for the record..." bit.
"RF: Rumors of her demise are greatly exaggerated."
LOL!
"RF: [JT] “The behavior of this judge was abominable, which was made all the worse by the fact that he engaged in these childish antics in front of the media in the courtroom.”"
ROTFL, OH THE IRONY!!!!!!!! This bit really made my day!
"RF [JT]: “When the victims start contacting me, I’ll tell them how you prevented the hearing and didn’t review the entire game before you unleashed it upon them."
So Jack.... How is business?
"RF [JT]: But it’s not about me, Judge Friedman. It’s about these kids."
BS, we all know you don't really care.
Darn, now I have to leave, just wen it was just getting even better!
I'm honestly not looking forward to it, especially after how nasty he was toward the Take Two attorneys.
@gp
(are you saving the best for last =p)
no he cant hes still digging up comedy gold lol
There is to be Jack's final arguments, which I'm quite interested in seeing.
He's past a shovel and is already to the TBM(Tunnel Boring Machine*
I think he took either a psychology or psychiatry test before and passed. Looks like he can turn his tact off and on like a water faucet.
If Jack is trying to make a point here with all these letters, it's that you should never get on the wrong side of an alleged "Christian". Rather hard to do, since his wrong side is pretty large. Way back in the LiveJournal days of GP, I once thought that he kept his name-calling and other ad hominems to everyday gamers like us.
I think what he's really doing is auditioning for a reality TV show on VH1 to replace Flavor of Love.
Good summary... is there really any doubt that Jack is insane? Im getting the feeling that this whole court thing is just a trick to pull out as many hysterical reactions from Jack as possible before disbarring it... like a court Blooper Reel.
As for the testimony, I noticed he was suspiciously quiet throughout this bit. I guess there is not much to argue when its your own words being used to lambast you. I bet the cross examination is gonna be interesting to say the least.
"threatened by shadows at night and exposed in the light"
Pink Floyd. Trying to remember the song. Right, Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Parts 1-5. I think those parts. Maybe the other parts, 6-9. I forget which.
congrats you win a cookie!!!!
Hell, you can see it from what used to be Pluto. :P
@kurisu7885:
Yeah... you'd think he'd be kissing her backside and what not... but this is JT we're dealing with.
@Werrick:
"Well, makes you look like an ass is what he does, Ed. " (Though in jack's case it's all him.)
@BattleChicken:
I dunno, this is ACTUALLY fun to watch, not just 'figuratively' (Though I saw what you did thar. :P)
@Gameclucks:
Touche. :P
@JustChris:
Well hopefully the Florida Bar will turn his ability to practice law OFF, for good. :P
@EZK:
Too true, lol.
The problem is that when they were going to say he needed to get evaluated, he premptively got examined... by a psychiatrist that happened to go to the same church as him and was a friend of the family.
An independant psychiatrist, as would be recomended
...i had to just stop reading here about post about this.
Mr. Thompson... what are you, 10? You're quoting a freaking Scooby Doo cartoon trying look smart. I guess you learned more from a talking dog than you did at Vanderbilt.
*watches the MetaCafé video* What was that JT was holding up?
Also, its quite ironic that pretty much the prosecutors main case (espicially with this witness and with Ward previously) is just to have the witness on the stand reading things that JT wrote. It really breaks down to a situation of JT vs. JT as the star witness for botht he prosecution and defense, talk about being your own worst enemy. Can't wait to see whatever weird belligerent offal JT pulls out for the cross.
Honestly, as has been mentioned, its the irony that has me laughing the most. Calling the judge a Bully when Thompson's own actions are much more in line with that sort of thing, HA.
A cornocopia of Thompson motions.
Wow. Did Thompson HONESTLY believe this? That he'd have hordes of clients lining up on account of Bully!?
And how many victims have contacted him since Bully's release? Oh, yeah. Zero. Thompson just wastes paper (and time, and office equipment).
And he feels that no one is allowed to take any measures against him. He litterally acts as if no court has the right to do or say anything against him while he is allowed to "destroy" them all he wants.
I really hope justice is done in these procedings. Also, after this is done, I wonder if they are allowed to individually sue him for slander and libel. Knowing him, he would probably try to throw up Double Jeopardy, which wouldn't work.
Not a lot of those are JT-related, but there are enough to prove your point in considering it a cornucopia. Good work, dude.
Maybe with signs like
"Jack Thompson: Ass Attorney"
"Jack Thompson kills fax machines"
"Jack Thompson = Anti-American"
"Jack Thompson distributes gay porn"
"Pixielantes 4 the destruction of Jack Thompson"
"Jack Thompson is the real Bully"
"Disbar the Massacre Chaser"
"GTA: Grand Thief Attorney, Stealing our Liberty"
then maybe we can chant:
"Hey Hey, Ho ho, Jack Thompson Got to go"
"Stop the poison, Disbar Jack Thompson"
well thats all I got.
Twenty bucks over here. ROFL J/K if for real.
*LOL* True on that, friend!
@Shadow
Same, *LOL*.
I'll put 50 up.
But seriously that there is practically a guarantee.
That and he will try to harass and belittle Judge Friedman.
COMES NOW respondent Thompson and moves this court for mediation of this four-year dispute, stating:
The Bar actively promotes Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) at its web site and through various other means. See (website)
In 1986, this court's Supreme Court Chief Justice Boyd established the Florida Dispute Resolution Center to promote and facilitate ADR by various means, including mediation.
Thompson many times during this four-year dispute has formally sought mediation of this entire matter. The Bar has rejected these overtures every single time. Once, when persuaded by Referee Tunis to participate in a mediation with Thompson which he sought, The Bar showed up with an increased punishment demand from Steve Chaykin. This was not mediation. The Bar engaged in the opposite of mediation, even sending a representative who had no authority to negotiate. This was an act of governmental hubris unlike anything Thompson had ever seen.
Recently, Miami attorney George Knox agreed to mediate this dispute between The Bar and Thompson per Thompson's request. Mr. Knox is a highly regarded, certified mediator who specializes in that capacity in resolving disputes between government and citizens. Just as importantly, there is no one in South Florida's legal community who is held in higher regard that Mr. Knox.
This court should either order The Florida Bar to try to mediate this dispute with Thompson or it should act upon its own January 19 show cause order, whose deadline was February 5. It is time to resolve or get on with this war.
Either we mediate this mess, or Thompson goes into federal court and undertakes to deconstruct this corrupt, out-of-control Bar, which task is long overdue.
Regardless of which way we go, make no mistake: The choice will be this court's. Thompson has sued for peace every step of the way, even agreeing to stop practicing law for three years, save to represent the poor. The Bar didn't even respond.
Enough with this court's delay. Make your decision. That's what you're paid by the public whom The Bar is supposed to be protecting rather than the porn industry, to do.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." (Matthew 5:9, quoting Jesus of Nazareth from His Sermon on the Mount).
I HEREBY CERTIFY that I have provided this to The Florida Bar, 1200 Edgewater Drive, Orlando, Florida, March 20, 2008.[/i]
Is this what you wanted?
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RESPONDENT’S MOTION FOR COURT-ORDERED MEDIATION
COMES NOW respondent Thompson and moves this court for mediation of this four-year dispute, stating:
The Bar actively promotes Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) at its web site and through various other means. See (website)
In 1986, this court’s Supreme Court Chief Justice Boyd established the Florida Dispute Resolution Center to promote and facilitate ADR by various means, including mediation.
Thompson many times during this four-year dispute has formally sought mediation of this entire matter. The Bar has rejected these overtures every single time. Once, when persuaded by Referee Tunis to participate in a mediation with Thompson which he sought, The Bar showed up with an increased punishment demand from Steve Chaykin. This was not mediation. The Bar engaged in the opposite of mediation, even sending a representative who had no authority to negotiate. This was an act of governmental hubris unlike anything Thompson had ever seen.
Recently, Miami attorney George Knox agreed to mediate this dispute between The Bar and Thompson per Thompson’s request. Mr. Knox is a highly regarded, certified mediator who specializes in that capacity in resolving disputes between government and citizens. Just as importantly, there is no one in South Florida’s legal community who is held in higher regard that Mr. Knox.
This court should either order The Florida Bar to try to mediate this dispute with Thompson or it should act upon its own January 19 show cause order, whose deadline was February 5. It is time to resolve or get on with this war.
Either we mediate this mess, or Thompson goes into federal court and undertakes to deconstruct this corrupt, out-of-control Bar, which task is long overdue.
Regardless of which way we go, make no mistake: The choice will be this court’s. Thompson has sued for peace every step of the way, even agreeing to stop practicing law for three years, save to represent the poor. The Bar didn’t even respond.
Enough with this court’s delay. Make your decision. That’s what you’re paid by the public whom The Bar is supposed to be protecting rather than the porn industry, to do.
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.” (Matthew 5:9, quoting Jesus of Nazareth from His Sermon on the Mount).
I HEREBY CERTIFY that I have provided this to The Florida Bar, 1200 Edgewater Drive, Orlando, Florida, March 20, 2008.
I think it was a printout, poster-size, of some law... can't remember which one offhand... I'll have to dig back and look.
Go for it. Hope for the best!
I agree, throw Jack out on his ass already. And I see he's telling people how to do their job again.
JT's lawsuit threat against Wikipedia isn't even on his Wikipedia page, but i found it on an old gamepolitics post:
http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/228672.html
Ahab is in trouble.
I meant this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=prev&...
One of the better things about Wikipedia is you can see everything that has happened, all of the changes, and everything. Even if a page has been vandalized, you can still pull up a previous version before the vandalism has even been reversed. It also keeps comments.
That's because Wikipedia locked the JT article to prevent false edits and other things.
http://gamepolitics.com/2006/10/25/jack-thompson-avoids-jail-but-earns-b...
It was apparently a poster board with the legal definition of "contempt of court" printed out on it... Jack kept flipping it up while Judge Friedman lectured him until the judge told the bailiff to cuff him if he did it again.
Anyway, the poster was of the legal definition of "contempt of court". Jack kept flipping it up while Judge Friedman lectured him on his behaviour, until the judge told the bailiff to cuff him if he did it again.
Hah, love it. Hope he gets cuffed. He seems to at least have a sense to stop doing something.
"COMES NOW respondent Thompson and further responds to this court's February 19 show cause order, stating:
As if on cue, two days after filing a supplemental response to the show
cause order herein noting the preferential treatment serial sex offender and attorney Steven Effman received from this Court, the attached article
appeared this morning in the Miami Herald regarding Democratic politico
Barry Kutun. And some people claim there is no God. Kutun, as this Court well knows since it approved this sweetheart deal, this well-connected gentleman had numerous trysts with an underage prostitute. Even Eliot Spitzer is not alleged to have done that."
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"What we have in this situation, in the person of Steve Chaykin, is the
Florida Bar Governor's version of Eliot Spitzer, sans the charm. Mr. Chaykin, who is presently serving the best interests of the citizens of
Florida, is the one who demands permanent disbarment for Thompson. Mr. Chaykin is has publicly branded anyone who does not agree with him on gay adoption (Thompson does not) an "enemy of The Bar" and "outside the core values of our Bar." This is terrific. The Bar has a paranoid on its Board of Governors who actively seeks retribution against his "enemies" with enhanced punishment because they aren't square pegs that fit into his
pro-gay hole."
"Thompson should like to propose a deal to this Court, since this is
obviously how this Court operates: Thompson will change his party affiliate to "Democrat," pronounce his fondness for gay adoption and the gay lifestyle, have sex with 16-year-old prostitutes, have forced sex with his female clients, launder money for the Medellin cocaine cartel to benefit Roy Black, confine his criticisms, like the aforementioned Roy Black, to Florida judges on national television rather than in Thompson's letters to those judges, represent the porn-to-kids industry rather than attack it, stalk a former employee, as did Thompson Bar complainant Tom Tew, commit perjury like Larry Kellogg and Al Cardenas to try to nail an anti-obscenity crusader, and last, but not least, exhibit the Spitzer-eclipsing hubris of one of you sitting on the Supreme Court and announce that we need to round up lawyers with bad manners and suspend them, the United States Constitution notwithstanding.
"If Thompson does all of that, will you, this Honorable Court, give me a "get out of jail free and get out of disbarment free" card? Apparently one has to be a pervert to catch a break from this Court and its "official arm," The Floriduh Bar."
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"What's the problem here with you people? Is it sexual perversion within The Bar, its leaders, and its personnel that is driving this lunatic regulatory
engine, or is it simply the frivolous nature of the Justices on this Court?'
"You people should be arrested for impersonating judges, and in fact, that is precisely what you have done, having sat on your bench without so much as even executing mandatory state loyalty oaths."
I am utterly without words to further comment on how unprofessional, egomaniacal and disrespectful this guy can be. Wow.
Doesn't he have a wife, a kid, a house, a car or two, a dog, a cat, two turtles, and numerous insiders to feed and take care of?
I can imagine his kid must also receive an insane amount of flak.
On a similar topic... everyone imagine JT at a PTA meeting and input your scenario. I think we'd all get a kick out of it. And, it also helps to pass the time waiting for part 7.
They're letting this go on so Thompson has absolutely NOTHING to say about the matter.
@Corncobtacular
Part of the reason that article got locked was Thompson kept making "corrections"
Also, adding on, for Bully to be a "Columbine simulator" It'd have to take place in, you guessed it, an accurately detailed Columbine high school, not in the FICTIONAL Bullworth academy.
Step 1: Make sure George Knox is a real person who's currently alive, that he even knows who Jack Thompson is, that he ever had a conversation with Jack Thompon, and that he said whatever it is that Jack Thompson says he said.
This may be the George Knox.
Still at least there's one lesson this man might learn from this:
'The send button is not always your friend'
“Recently, Miami attorney George Knox agreed to mediate this dispute between The Bar and Thompson per Thompson’s request.”
If you were you, I wouldn't let the thought of "media-anything" enter my mind, not even "mediate."
And I definetly wouldn't send any more "press releases" to the media. Doing so hasn't proved a very useful tool for you, has it? Unless you're priding yourself on your own grave-digging abilities. In which case, it's been a wonderfully useful tool. Carry on.
If I remember well, one of the rules that Jack broke was to mediatise some cases. I wonder if this one count.
he requested a "standing objection" i assume to be on the record that he objected to every single "out of context" reading and would summarily be overruled. so on that fact, he didn't really have to say anything until they stopped reading his love notes.
If it's private practice, then how will he pay the rent for his office, food for the family, ect, ect, as I can imagine he won't get paid anymore for his 'debate' sessions.
Have you thought about this Jack, because disbarrment is a very real possibility for you in the near future.
This song is neat. Thought I'd add it.
@kurisu7885
You get my reply in part 5? If not, I'd suggest you see it and its replies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kzg8BvVTkU&feature=related
This song is neat. Thought I’d add it.
@kurisu7885
You get my reply in part 5? If not, I’d suggest you see it and its replies.
EDIT: I saw a funny surveillance vid of a cop gettin' down near the end. Hilarious! Love it!
His wife is an attorney as well. To the best of our knowledge, she's the bread winner of the household. Jack himself is in private practice, not part of any firm.
C'mon!! Get outta here!!
Jack hasn't been a real lawyer (with an office and a buxom receptionist and partners and someone other than himself for a client, etc., ect.) in years. Maybe like 20 years. His "office" is a mail box at the UPS Store down the road from his house. And his house is where he sits all day long, clicking off e-mails and court filings and assorted other nonsense.
And as to how he's gonna bring home the bacon, Jack's what I call "dependently wealthy."
I was looking through some of those Lawmen items which involve JT... and the people posting them that *defend* JT's position, accusing the SCOFLA of being frivelous and arbitrary...
I also noticed he tried to get the disbarment proceedings thrown out.
Clearly this guy is nuts... and so are his followers it seems.
This is a great series though, my compliments to the writers. This jack thompson character they've created is so crazy he makes Ren & Stimpy look sane...
The Florida Bar and Courts have their fair share of detractors. Not entirely without good reason. Have I made it obvious that I'm no big fan of the Florida Bar (if not, I'll keep trying)? There's a fair amount of blogging done by the anti-Florida Bar and Courts faction. Jack has tried to hitch a ride on their bandwagon and bandwidth. Some have been more receptive than others. But eventually, as always, Jack'll wear his welcome out with them.
And, yes, he does seem to attract as his most ardent supporters the other posters who seem the most batshit crazy, too.
I think Jack is even to crazy for the PTA. He is just too hardcore and the PTA are a bunch of pansies.
> Part 4 was the best so far
Part 4 was the one that really made me angry. The way JT treated Rebecca Ward made me really want him to suffer.
This is really quite the drama. And no matter what I thought coming in, I'm 99% sure now that no penalty less than permanent disbarment is going to result.
GOES NOW respondent Thompson.
I've just started reading these a few days ago, and I don't always get to the comments (there's just so many), so I didn't know you were critical of the Florida Bar.
Of course, his main justification to try to get the SCOFLA to throw out disbarment proceedings is because he's accused of, in simple terms, being an abusive jerk to the courts while practicing law, but he asserts that his behavior was not while practicing law since he wasn't representing a client at the time.
I hope these transcripts show that that particular assertion doesn't hold any water in and of itself and that he gets disbarred.
I just wonder if his antics will warrant stronger penalties.
That's a very good example of Jack's hubris catching up with him. There's been many times when Jack could have proceeded before the court as a pro se (i.e. for and by himself) litigant. The Bully case is one example. If he did, he wouldn't have been subject to allegations of professional misconduct because he wouldn't have been acting as an attorney but, rather, as a private citizen with no practical conection to the Bar. But he too much loves that Bar number (which he's about to lose) and the ability to say "Jack Thompson, Attorney and You're Not." So rather that file his hate-mail as a pro se litigant, he files it as an attorney. And exposes himself to allegations of professional misconduct.
Dumb, duh, dumb, dumb. Dumb.
@everyone else:
Be careful logging on, registering for, or posting to blogs that are obviously supportive of Jack Thompson. Particularly Bob Hurt's Google group. There's no guarantee that any self-identifying information (IP address, e-mail address, etc.) you give them will be kept confidential.
Here's a somewhat applicable analogy: if you become a police officer, you are ALWAYS a police officer, even when you're not on duty. If you've sworn the oath to serve and protect, and you are hanging out with "friends" who have a massive marijuana plantation in their backyard, you'd best hope you don't get connected to them when they get busted even though you were "off duty" when you visited their home.
I did the RA thing in college to help pay the bills. Even though I was old enough to drink, I had to be conscious of my actions even if I was off campus because it would not be too uncommon to run into my residents at the local bars. Most of them thought it was cool to drink a beer with the RA, but I didn't want to ever appear out of control, and even if I was off duty, I never wanted to be flat out drunk while in my own building (never know when an emergency could come up).
Besides, arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...even if you win you're still retarded.
What finally settled it was when he posted a thing saying the FL Bar wasn't a corporation because such and such, and the Jack Thompson agrees. If I was outside tanning and JT said the sun was out, I'd still check the sky twice before agreeing.
RF: Very well.
TUMA: Is she deceased?
RF: Rumors of her demise are greatly exaggerated.
TUMA: Is that a no?
RF: She is not deceased.
Okay, Ronald Friedman officially is awesome.
I hope you know I do this 'cause I gots love for you, not just to nit-pick you.
The "always an attorney" part ain't true (see my post above on attorney who files pro se). Many of the Bar's conduct rules require that the attorney acted in the role of an attorney for a client (they use language like "an attorney, in representing his client, shall not . . . ."). A couple of the Bar rules allegedly violated by Thompson have this attorney-client relationship requirement. If Bar counsel can't prove this requirent (i.e., that Jack was acting as an attorney for a client when he engaged in the alleged misconduct), then she ain't proving the alleged professional conduct violation.
I can't see my man going off track and not tell him to get off the sidewalk. Not if I gots love for him.
As you point out, though, it's obvious in his letters and press releases that he IS representing himself as an attorney, and that's going to be his downfall.
And that doesn't even get into his in court antics that have garnered complaints.
Idiot should've had another lawyer represent him. Then again, it's no surprise, seeing everyone hates him except for his family.
Got that right.
I plan to post JT's closing statement on Thursday and write a recap with some new info on Friday.
After that, I will look into posting actual full transcripts...
Thanks for the hard work.
Good luck, Dennis. We're all with you.
as Jack himself said, countless kids were doomed to be beaten by Bats and punched in the face..
I mean christ, We were ready for an entire School Meltdown according to him, yet this didn't happen.. so these letters must be fake by all means, because Jack can never blow shit outta proportion...
Yeah, Jack. Bully's been out for two years. Where's our epidemic of slingshot deaths?
We're waaaaaitiiiiiiiing.
He's previously been in trouble with the Florida Bar Association, therefore he's likely a lawyer
This has been a very enlightening series that shows the character of Mr. Thompson within a courtroom... though I'm sure any supporter of him would mention (much like he has in these proceedings) that it's "out of context."
I still get the impression that he expects to appeal the almost certain decision to disbar him. If I didn't know any better, it'd almost look like he's given up within the courtroom and just files paperwork to circumvent any outcome. He knows he's going to lose at this point, so he's just trying to set himself up for the next step.
I do kind of feel sorry for his kids. I wonder how smooth their upbringing is, especially with Jack Thompson as their paternal influence.
But I digress.
I have actually played Bully, and there's no way it can be construed as a "Columbine Simulator." It's an immature (but fun) game that deals with childish schoolyard hijinx that have been around for decades. It's doesn't shape up to the same grisly reality of school violence at the level of Columbine. Bully is rather... cartoonish.. .and probably about as effective as cartoons in shaping a kid's mind.
I still love some of these letter excerpts, too.
RF: “The behavior of this judge was abominable, which was made all the worse by the fact that he engaged in these childish antics in front of the media in the courtroom.”
That had to be one of my favorites.
At this rate, law schools may start using Mr. Thompson as examples in their classes of ethics and decorum so students know what not to do... and it'd strike students moreso if they learn he's been disbarred for his words and actions.
Is it safe yet to say that he is finished?
Well, it ain't over 'till it's over. But at this point Jack's pushed things to the point where the most likely outcome is disbarment. He's essentially refused to accept a slap on the wrist, or a temporary suspension. He's annoyed enough people that if they can be rid of him, they will be.
Lmao. Telling a judge to flip a coin to decide who win? Is he thinking he is standing in the middle of a playground with a bunch of 6 years olds?
True that. He's f***ed himself over so much that the only logical (not Vulcan logic LOL) solution is to silence him once and for all.
Especially when JT's already predetermined the outcome? Yeah the rude awakening he's going to get is going to be biblically EPIC. (FAIL, that is...)
Thanks for all the hard work Dennis! I think this goes without saying but we appreciate the effort you put forth.
That said, I guess Jack really IS finished. I figured he'd "legalese" his way into a slap on the wrist or something. Guess not. He's pissed off too many people this time.
....right?
It's not so much that he couldn't wriggle his way into a slap on the wrist, it's that he's pretty much already refused to accept one. Jack won't accept anything less than himself being completely and utterly vindicated in his actions.
Unfortunately for him, that's an impossibility. He's crossed a few lines of professional conduct and is due some sort of reprimand. Yet he refuses even that.
I know how you feel. I thought the same thing when I first heard of this. After reading all these stories, I can't help but imagine that disbarring him is looking pretty good.
On the other hand, the honorable Judge Dava Tunis might just let him keep his license so she doesn't have to put up with him.
Wait! That was Jack's plan! Make dealing with him after the hearing appear so unpleasant that no judge in his/her right mind would willingly place themselves in that position. It's the perfect plan!
"So, you think I was an ass to those other judges, eh? So, you think I was an ass in the court room, eh? You think I was an ass waiting for the ruling, eh? Well, just ask yourself this: What do you think I'll do, if you revoke my license to practice law?"