The Bar Trial of Jack Thompson (Part 9): Recap, About the Series, What's Next for Thompson?

The Bar Trial of Jack Thompson (Part 9): Recap, About the Series, What's Next for Thompson?

March 28, 2008

Click here to see the entire series: The Bar Trial of Jack Thompson...

It's fair to say that Miami attorney Jack Thompson is an iconic figure among the video game community, although not in any happy sense.

Since immersing himself in the game violence debate in the late 1990's, he has become the embodiment of what many gamers perceive as a lack of acceptance by non-gaming society and the mainstream media. In some ways, he seems to relish the role.

Thompson's frequent television appearances, during which he typically blames violent video games for all sorts of mayhem, have positioned him as the go-to guy when the media (primarily Fox News, of late) needs a sound bite lamenting the havoc which video games are supposedly wreaking on modern youth.

No other critic, no other watchdog, has ever come close to Thompson's recognition factor. There are gamer-created songs about the guy. Cartoons, too, as well as video skits, t-shirts, toilet paper, website parodies and Photoshop contests.

To be fair, though, Thompson works at it. His media appearances, his propensity for acid-tongued verbal attacks, his lawsuits, threats of lawsuits and incessant e-mails containing Urgent! alerts make him difficult to ignore.



So when Jack Thompson is placed on trial for professional misconduct charges by the Florida Bar, that's a big story for gamers. The stakes are obviously high for Thompson as well. Even though he has vowed to fight on if disbarred, his credibility will take an undeniable hit. Will Fox News still want a de-licensed attorney as their go-to guy? That's hard to say, but for Thompson, disbarment certainly can't be a positive outcome in any sense.

There is probably no other news outlet, gaming or otherwise, which has covered Thompson as much as GamePolitics in the three years since this site was launched. That certainly wasn't by design. But Thompson is a newsmaker in precisely the arena upon which GamePolitics focuses. And GP has a commitment to covering the news whenever, as our slogan goes, politics and video games collide.

So Thompson inevitably gets covered, sometimes to the frustration of readers. Nor has the relationship between Thompson, GamePolitics, and its readers been an especially agreeable one over the years. But when he makes GP's kind of news, we write about it. Thompson apparently appreciates - or at least covets - the coverage. He still sends us those Urgent! news releases and (as recently as yesterday) chides GP when we don't report on certain of his activities.

So, covering his Florida Bar trial was something that I considered a must for GamePolitics. Regrettably, personal circumstances precluded me from traveling to Miami for the trial, which was my original hope. As it turned out, that was probably a good thing. Although the proceedings were expected to last about a week, they ran for nearly two.

While not being able to cover the trial in person was a disappointment, I was pleased to find that at least we hadn't been scooped. There was no other coverage to speak of. The mainstream media in South Florida seemed oblivious. Fox News? Nada...

So I began to work on the next best thing to being there - acquiring transcripts of trial testimony. A call to Judge Dava Tunis' office got me the contact info for the court reporter assigned to the case. I called the reporter midway through the trial's first week. She was an extremely nice woman, although perhaps a bit surprised to hear from me. But she promised to check with Judge Tunis as to the propriety of my request and was as good as her word. Judge Tunis saw no problem with GamePolitics acquiring the transcripts (they are, after all, a matter of public record) and Thompson was made aware that I was seeking the testimony.

But court reporters make their living in part by providing transcripts for a fee. After a discussion of price, I calculated that it was cost-effective to purchase transcripts of just two of the witnesses against Thompson. While there were five whose Bar issues with Thompson originated from video game cases, I opted for Alabama attorney Clatus Junkin and Alabama Judge James Moore.

Among all of the witnesses, Moore was the one who held the most interest. He oversaw Thompson's high profile Strickland vs. Sony "GTA Killer" suit in Fayette, Alabama and was the jurist who threw Thompson off the case by revoking his pro hac vice (visiting) license to practice law in Alabama. Moore's testimony, however, was very long, stretching over two days. Trying to stay within the budget I had established, I also opted for the transcript of Alabama attorney Clatus Junkin. Junkin's testimony had the virtue of being relatively brief (and thus, not too expensive). Moreover, there was a natural tie-in with Judge Moore, since Junkin's dust-up with Thompson also related to the Alabama GTA case.

By the way, I want to mention that without ECA president Hal Halpin, this series would not have been possible. When I pitched the idea to Hal and asked that the gamer advocacy organization (which owns GamePolitics) cover the not-insignificant cost of acquiring the initial round of transcripts, he didn't hesitate. When we needed additional transcripts later, Hal insisted that the ECA cover the expense.

Now, I didn't get the transcripts immediately. Preparing them takes some time and we were up against the holiday crunch when Thompson's Bar trial ended in December. The court reporter had a well-deserved vacation scheduled, which added a bit of delay as well. As it worked out, I received the Junkin and Moore transcripts on January 2nd of this year and tore into them immediately. I quickly realized that, while they told a fascinating tale, the testimony of the other game-related witnesses was needed to offer a well-rounded picture of the Bar's case against Thompson, as least as it related to the video game sector.

So the wonderful court reporter and I were once again in contact. I worked out an arrangement with her to acquire the transcript of Judge Ronald Friedman, who presided over the infamous Bully case. I also sought the testimony of a pair of Blank Rome attorneys, James Smith and Rebecca Ward. Smith and Ward were Thompson's opposing counsel in the Alabama GTA wrongful death lawsuit. It was their motion which prompted Judge Moore to remove Thompson from the case. Since the Alabama incident, Smith, Ward and the Blank Rome firm have been frequent targets of Thompson's ire.

The three new transcripts arrived on January 16th. After a quick read, I set them aside since I knew the series wouldn't run for another couple of months. For maximum interest, I wanted The Bar Trial of Jack Thompson to appear in advance of Judge Tunis' decision in April. Ultimately, I pegged March 18th as the date on which the first episode would be published.

There were some other prosecution witnesses against Thompson whose testimony I did not seek because they had no relation to video game issues. For his part, Thompson called no witnesses. Rather he testified on his own behalf for the better part of a week. While I didn't believe purchasing Thompson's lengthy testimony would be cost-effective, I did advise him that GP's series was imminent and offered him an opportunity to comment on his trial. I also asked him if he would provide me with the text of his closing argument, as this would summarize his defense.

Thompson not only declined, he threatened me with legal action if I went ahead and published the series without including his transcripts. We had the following less-than-pleasant e-mail exchange in the run-up to the March 18th debut of the series:

GP (March 17): I will be having coverage this week of testimony from your December Bar trial. Would you care to comment? I’d be interested in the text of any closing statement you might have made.

 JT (March 17): Any reportage you undertake which does not correctly depict all that happened there, will be treated as libelous and actionable.  You're paying for partial transcripts at your own great risk.

GP (March 17): You are invited to comment, and I’ve asked for your closing.

JT: (March 17): I am warning you that if you have trial transcript portions to the exclusion of my portions, then you are liable.

GP: (March 17): You’re given an opportunity to address the trial, comment on the trial and provide the text of your closing.

JT (March 18): I am not giving you anything re my Bar trial, then, as anything you report will be censored by you for the purpose of harming me, as you repeatedly have done.  If you report on the trial, based on a partial transcript, then you're on the hook for any failure to report on the gist of the entire transcript and the entire trial.  Any real journalist would understand that, but then you're not a journalist. You're an industry flak.

GP (March 18): We’ll be reporting on your Bar trial (you’re a public figure, it’s news) despite your unwillingness to offer your side and despite your threats.

JT (March 18): Returned, unread, and sent to my "Dennis McCauley never reports the inconvenient truth" folder.  I spent nine days in trial.  I don't have to relive it for a twit who couldn't care less what really happened there, asshole.

GP (March 18): Well, I very much care what happened at the trial. That’s why I’m reviewing the transcripts. And I’m very interested in your side, especially your closing. That’s why I’ve asked for your comments and the text of the closing, what, four times now?

JT (March 18): It speaks for itself

Despite Thompson's threat, GamePolitics published the first installment, detailing the testimony of Clatus Junkin, as scheduled on March 18th. The following morning I received, via e-mail, a cease-and-desist demand from Thompson, which read in part:
 

You are running a series of “articles” at your site about my Bar trial by selectively procuring transcripts of the portions thereof that suit your purposes.  You have asked for me to provide you transcripts of other portions.  I neither have them nor do I have a duty to provide them if I did have them.  You have, however, a duty to procure transcripts for all portions of the trial if you are to profess to be reporting on this event in a non-libelous and fair fashion.  This is the first breach of your legal duties to me.


 

The second breach is the fact that you have prohibited me not only from posting my responses to the false and defamatory comments about me by your posters in response to the above, but you also prohibit me from accessing your site directly.  This is outrageous.  This is supposed to be a site at which people can post their comments.  You have excluded me from the opportunity to defend myself thereat...


GP: while it's true that Thompson is banned from posting, we do let his occasional post through; any responses he attempted to post to the Bar trial series were approved and appear on GP...
 

You and your parent organization are now on notice that I shall prosecute this latest assault upon me to the fullest extent of the law, and I shall look not only to you but to ECA for recompense.


Not only was the threat without merit, to give into it would effectively have ceded editorial control of GamePolitics to Thompson. Not on my watch.

Since Thompson refused to provide the text of his summary or offer any comment on the trial, I went back to the unflappable court reporter one more time, this time seeking Thompson's closing argument. Although Thompson probably wouldn't admit it, I'm convinced he got a fair shake in the Bar trial coverage. The series presented not only the witnesses' testimony, but Thompson's cross examination of them as well. An entire episode was devoted to Thompson's closing argument and two others covered nothing but his cross examination of witnesses (Judge Moore and Judge Friedman). And, while we don't have Thompson's testimony, neither do we have the Bar prosecutor's cross examination of him.

There were even some moments of unexpected levity in the series. GP readers especially enjoyed the back-and-forth between Judge Moore and Thompson over a courthouse fax machine which apparently gave up the ghost under the crushing weight of Thompson's frequent messages.

So where do we go from here?

The series has generated a great deal of interest in the Thompson case, with total reader comments running into the thousands. For his part, Thompson currently has lawsuits ongoing in U.S. District Court against the Florida Bar as well as against the Florida Supreme Court, which appointed Judge Tunis to hear the case and which will ultimately act on her recommendation. Thompson has also complained that a state-mandated loyalty oath for Judge Tunis was apparently signed by someone else. It is unclear how those allegations will play out and what effect, if any, they might have on the outcome of the Bar trial.

As a journalist who has been tracking this case for a long time, I'd be extremely surprised if Judge Tunis didn't recommend that Thompson be disbarred. On the other hand, I fully expect Thompson to appeal any such decision.

Whatever happens, do not expect Thompson to give up his culture crusade. Even as a non-lawyer, he can still act on his own behalf. He knows how to file cases. And while they may be able to take away his law license, unless the Florida Bar can confiscate his PC and his fax machine, don't count on Jack Thompson going away.

At least not quietly.

Click here for the entire series: The Bar Trial of Jack Thompson...

Comments

@Craig R.

Yes, I am.




It's really Shadow Darkman, JT's anti-thesis. I'm just playing around by posing as him, no harm intended.
I, for one, am hoping for the end of Thompson's career as a lawyer. I don't care if he wants to attack my hobbies, my parents lived with 'old fogeys' when they went out dancing to Rock'N'Roll, in fact, every generation has its flapping gum brigade, but the fact he used and abused a position of responsibility, such as being a lawyer in order to further his own cause is contemptible.

As I've said before, if lawsuits were hammers, them Slappmeister Thompson would be one of the most violent men alive. A man who claims to be anti-violence then threatens all the 'kiddies' that he's going to 'destroy' Rockstar, very non-violent and non-threatening wording there Jack....

I'll say this, even if the Research were right and Video Games do cause increased aggression in young players, they'd have to play for a hell of a long time to even come close to the hatred, bitterness and all round viciousness of Jack Thompson.
GamePolitics,

I've really enjoyed this series of transcripts. In my opinion there was no editorial slant whatsoever. You never come out and say what you wish the outcome will be.

GamePolitics qualifies as journalism much more than most mass media outlets.
@vinniethewop

well what did you expect him to say "soon ill be loosing my liscense" lol
@Thad and GP
They also hired Karl Rove.
“I don’t have to relive it for a twit who couldn’t care less what really happened there, asshole.”

I happened to be eating at the time of reading and nearly choked in laughter after seeing this. Of course Mr. Thompson has never been especially courteous, but it still catches me by suprise. The man is an attorney and behaves like a middle school graduate.
@GP, whp wrote:

"While personally I wouldn’t drag my family issues into a business matter the way he did here, I really don’t believe he would make that up."

I'm not heard to say I believe he made it up, either. But we are talking about a person whose listed mistatements on any number of topics strech a mile long. Time and time again, it has been found beyond reasonable doubt that something Jack said was fact just ain't so in fact. I'll spare you the long list.

I believe some but not all of Jack's mistatements spring from malice. Some, I suspect, are attributable to misinformation. Or misapprehesion. Or mild retardation. But whatever the motive, the conclusion remains that there is very little rational basis for taking a word Jack Thompson says on face value.

That's partly why the outcome of Mr. Thompson's disciplinary proceeding is of importance to the public. Because if Judge Tunis agrees, as the Bar alleges, that Mr. Thompson has not once or twice but repeatedly and cavalierly made gross self-serving mistatements and false statements, then he'll have to walk around for the rest of his natural life with that big "ZERO CREDIBILITY" sticker on his forehead. It's always in the public's interest to be able to clearly spot the bullshit artists from a mile away.
@Mark Carter:

Jack's just doing what his modus operandi always calls for: spout some legal nonsense, end it with "Jack Thompson, Attorney and You're Not," and then claim that as a basis for your having to do whatever it is he wants you to do. He's as predictable as day turns to night.

And Jack wouldn't know the law of anything, libel or otherwise (and probably doesn't care to, anyway), if you whacked him upside his head with one of them big-ass books they be using in law school.
@archgabe

your right ooh it just hit me

"hypicrite and your not"
You know, I've put a lot of thought into what I'm about to say.. and I have to admit that Jack Thompson is doing what he thinks is the right thing to do. Yes, maybe sometimes he gets a bit carried away or his tactics are a little bizarre but you must also look at what he's done for the society in whole.

He's brought awareness to parents so they can protect their child from content they feel is not appropriate for them to see. He's shown that video games can corrupt the youths mind, just as MTV and most of todays TV shows have corrupted everyone elses. (seriously, up until about 10 years ago, I've never seen kids do such disgusting dancing where they're rubbing their bodies against each other etc). He has even taught parents to pay more attention to their kids and get to know them again.

It's these days where most working-class people have to work two jobs just to make ends meet. Parents aren't home enough to know and understand what their children are doing when they're not.

Up until now, parents weren't educated on what their kids COULD be playing and the affects it MIGHT have on them if they're not told, "Hey, you know this is a video game. I don't want to see you act this out, if I do, then you won't be allowed to play them anymore, and you'll not be going to your friends house to play it either."

My point is, and I hope I've stated everything here, Jack Thompson has opened up a very large door for parents. I can agree with most that some of his manners are a bit out there, but hey.. think of it this way. If a parent, such as mine or yours, can't step up and say "I don't want my kids playing these games because they're too violent." Then who else will?

Parents can stop their kids from playing games, but that doesn't stop the kid from playing them. Jack gave parents a reason to monitor their kids more closely to make sure they're not going to be raging killers.

I'm not a violent person, and I play violent video games. The only time I have ever fought, was in self-defense in 6th grade. I don't get angry, I don't get all uptight over every little thing. I'm not affiliated with gangs, or doing drugs and drinking alcohol. My family has never owned a gun, and I will never own a gun.

My closing statement will be that Jack Thompson is a good man, who was and still is being attacked by nearly every person out there. Now imagine yourself in his shoes, would you want everyone to hate you because you felt that video games are the cause of violence? Might I add that music and movies also play a big role in this, because it's all entertainment.

I refuse to attack him. I will support him and his mission, but I will do it in a different way. I will open a campaign to bring a positive awareness to parents about video games, what they are and what they could do if not under control.

It's like this in example. Marijuana, I've seen it on TV and what its effects are. People say it started off as "giving it a try" now they're hustling it to get more for themselves. It became an addiction that has -gone out of control-. Video games can be an addiction that loses control.

GP, feel free to have Jack Thompson e-mail me in comment. I'm sure he'd be willing to if he read this. :)

I hope everyone understands and we all come to terms, good terms. Please no flaming..
@jdkj

ive downloaded transcripts from heriet mejers (her admission attempt in to scotus) jonathon lee riches and jt

yes i am
@AlphaCentero
I think you're misunderstanding why a lot of gamers are anti-Jack. It is one thing to raise awareness by saying, "Be careful about what games your children buy" and another to say, "OMG, this game kills people! It’s training players to be efficient killers! Rockstar are like miniature satans and I’m the messiah!" Which is completely untrue - and I’m walking proof of that, as well as 90% of the rest of the gaming populace. Hell, I’m afraid to pick up a gun and you’d probably have a heart-attack if you knew the kind of movies, books and games I’ve been allowed to watch/read/play since even before I was a teen.

As you say, a gamer needs some sort of stimulus to get them twisted but then, doesn’t that make the stimuli the cause and not the game?

As for parents not knowing, well, as I started this post off hinting… there are a lot of better ways to make them aware. Funnily enough, I wouldn’t be surprised if some kid’s are getting the beating of their lives after their parents see Jack Thompson’s report. Can you imagine the shock it’d give those poor parents?

“Boy, I hear you’ve been practicin’ killing people…”
“What, dahday no!”
*Pummels*

Finally, he attacks developers instead of the people who actually regulate that sort of thing, like the ESRB, retailers, etc. I don’t want to see my favourite developer go down just because Jack’s rants caused so much confusion as to make the courts actually believe the Dev’s were responsible. Sure, attack the dev for things like hot-coffee and if you lose, well, then tough, but don’t stalk them.

He was also attempting to stifle freedom of expression through his nonsense. Remember how he was trying to ban specific adult games through that whole “public nuisance” bit? So now adults can’t have games created for them?
The thing that always confused me is that Thompson, quite rightly, claims that no amounts of threats or harassments are going to stop him from pursuing what he feels to be the right thing.

That's all fine and good, but why the hell does it not sink through his head that him doing exactly the same thing to other people will have exactly the same lack of result?
@Timmay! -- "Joe Walsh from NIMF I respect, Leeland Yee I respect, but I have no good words for Jack Thompson."

I think you meant David Walsh. Joe Walsh was in The Eagles and a heck of a guitarist. :)
@Dog Welder:

Ya gotta love love the part about:

"Without Jack throwing lawsuits at everyone, todays parents wouldn’t be given a reason to be aware of what their child is doing whether it’s watching TV or playing a video game."

At least that was good for a chuckle. More like if Jack's frivolous and bound-to-lose lawsuits that he throws at everyone weren't cluttering and clogging up the legal sytem along with all the other nut-case litigants out there, maybe -- just maybe -- a parent with a righteous wrongful death lawsuit against a drunk motorist who killed their child wouldn't have to wait 10 years to recieve compensation for their loss.
It's almost as if there is no reasoning with you.
@Buncha Kneejerks --

What reasoning? You came in and said nothing.

A post like "Pot calling, kettle, come in kettle" is not reasoning.
I predict a second book from Jacky Boy, put together as a futile attempt to spin his inevitable loss of license. I can see it now: Pages and pages of crack-pot conspiracy theories on how the video game industry is taking over the world, his vows to keep "fighting the good fight", and numerous comparisons of himself to Jesus.
Erik:

"Sorry. They have too much power NOT to be a government entity.
... Although autonomous they wield much much too much power just to be some corporation, thus they are government."

And once again I say I am wasting my breath on you. You clearly don't understand what a government entity is and refuse to budge on it despite pleas for you to do some research if you don't believe me.

At this point I'm not going to bother talking to you again. Your opinion can stay as it is if it makes you feel better. At some stage people just aren't worth correcting. Good night.
Now now eric, behave. You know what i'm talking about.

“I think the latter is more likely (company)”

So we go with utter frightening then, gotcha.
"So you think its acceptible for a child to be able to walk in an purchase either of those dvds?"

I believe I just said yes.
"Statistics by polling significant amounts of the population. Most UK citizens think they do a good job."


Which is, again, opinion, but on a large scale.
"My intent was to educate, it just was wasted is all."


Wait no, your propaganda is working. You have convinced me that I should hand over my freedom of thought to a soulless bureaucracy. Heil FCC Heil BBFC!

Wait, no. Now I realize that that is sarcasm.

Sorry, I have no desire to be "educated" by someone who lets the BBFC do their thinking for them. If I want that information I'll get it from the BBFC directly and cut out you, the middleman.
"unless the Florida Bar can confiscate his PC and his fax machine, don’t count on Jack Thompson going away quietly."

Sad but true. Sad but true.

We really appreciate all the troubles you've had to endure to do this series. While some of it certainly gives you enough of a laugh to almost make it worthwhile, the painful parts combined with JT's childish threats nearly cancel it out as well...

All in all, I can't wait to see what hilarious, frivolous, and ridiculous tirades he'll get into when Judge Tunis's final recommendation comes out...
Somehow, I gather Jack is more than willing to continue his "agenda", but on the other hand, I'm also inclined to think that he'll switch his attention to the Florida Bar Association, or at least divide it. You can't wage a war on two fronts, and I think that'll more or less silence him.
I wonder what it would take for them to confiscate his PC and fax machine? There are presidents for people who commit crimes via such devices being bared from using them....
I find it odd how Jack is convinced GP will never report anything "truthfully", but still insists on sending press releases.
We all pay way too much attention to this most ultimate of all asshats. I am never ready another story on JT EVER again. Fuck this moron. Ignore him like you would ignore a small annoying child.
It's been a great series Dennis. Regardless of what happens to ol' Jack, it's been great reading these transcripts themselves, raw. Despite his shortcomings, JT certainly knows how to manipulate the law, as any good lawyer should. It was also interesting to see how devoted to his cause he is; oddly enough I have a bit more respect for him now.
I typed this famous question on a commentary about this series I did on my blog (sorry for the self-promo). This question sums up my feelings about Jack Thompson's actions during the trial:

@Jack Thompson
Have you no sense of decency, sir?
I applaud your effort in this series, GP. It was some quality reporting.
but "disbarred ex-lawyer" doesn't read as positively as "civil rights lawyer" when on Faux News.
God...I love Thompson's "logic", it never ceases to amaze. If the claims he makes about GP's legal duty to report everything were true, it would cripple the media.

The Presidential Primaries for example? You would have to print every speech by every candidate in every city in it's entirety. That's ridiculous...of course, ridiculousness never stopped the Jack Thompson Logic Train before!
Thanks Dennis, for providing us with all of this information. While there was more info that would likely have been very interesting (the cross examination of JT himself) this series doesn't editorialize and simply presents the facts of the trial. Good work!
And the sad thing is that I think poor Jack still can't put together that "calling people who ask him for comments assholes" and "is currently on trial to keep his license" might, in fact, have some relation.
I love how you give him a chance to comment and say his side, and then he threatens you with legal action because he claims your article will be one sided.... he is an idiot.
Doesn't matter. Fox can call him whatever they want.
An excellent series of articles from an excellent site. Seems to me that the editor's frontal lobe is operating just fine, Mr. Thompson.
Even as a non-lawyer, he can still act on his own behalf.

He's always acted on his own behalf so really nothing changes.
He may not go down quietly but it will sure as hell be harder to push his agenda around. I think it's right that GP did not let Thompson post on the comments because all I can see coming out of it is legal action and scream obsentys at us.

So thank you GamePolitics for this insightful series into the twisted mind of Jack Thompson. So if there is one more I can't wait to read that also.

JT if you are reading this you had your chance to comment and all you did was throw it all away be means of legal. It's GP right to post this as is your right to say all those things you said.
Tell me this, does him calling you an Asshole and Twit, not really prove to everyone that he is unable to act professionally?

Could he even be brought to task for that?

I mean, personally, i would have thought that the way he treats you Dennis, is grounds to go the florida bar alone, and make a complaint, ESPECIALLY after you gave him FOUR chances to put his side forward.

He is such a two faced, lying wretch.
Dennis,

I've said it before, but thanks for providing this series of articles, and a thank you to Hal for providing the funding for these articles.

They've given us an insight into the working mind of a person I personally feel is a complete and utter lunatic. Fortunately, nobody will ever accuse Jack of being a competent attorney, either.
Excellent series, GP. You've provided a much needed glimpse into the personalized injuries which, sadly, Mr. Thompson seems to relish inflicting upon others. This isn't always immediately apparent from casual observation or the media's coverage of Mr. Thompson. Continue to stand by your convictions.
@fan357

Faux News *will* call him whatever they want, since they are always interested in blurring fiction with facts.
Dennis, this has been the interesting reporting I've read on your site. I admit that I read all of the Thompson posts just to see what he's up to next. Thank you. I just love how you respond to him very respectfully, while he responds to you as "asshole". Perhaps YOU should be the lawyer.

I think the "fax machine" bit was the best and is on its way to becoming a new meme.

Will you be reporting on the claims he's made about Judge Tunis loyalty oath and its outcome in the near future?
I don't believe for a minute that Jack disliked the fact that you were running the story on him. In fact, I think he loved it, no matter what he claims he would do. This man gets off on the attention that Dennis, Fox News and others give to him. If video games weren't a hot button issue, JT wouldn't be here or could care less about gamers as a whole. I look forward to the ruling by Judge Tunis. We will not hear the last of JT by any stretch of the imagination, but at least he won't be infecting the court system with his pointless, unfounded litigation as often.

Great series Dennis, I would love to see more like this on other issues affecting the gaming community in the future.
hahahahhaha, Jack io know you're reading this right now pissed you can't respond.. so i offer this to you

Fuck you, you worthless hack your license you spent so much money and time to get is being taken away because you were a terrible lawyer.

Hope you enjoyed all your wasted effort in life..

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And, please, if you do cover the outcome of the loyalty oath defense, give some page-time to the flag fringe defense. Of the two legal lunacies, it's my favorite one.
When the disbarment ruling comes through, I call on all of us to burn a fax machine in Jack's honor.
Dennis and GP this was a really awesome effort, you deserve a standing O!!
Since the start of the series, I have faithfully read everything and even took the initiative of looking up the JT wikipedia entry.

That paints a more complete picture of what a misguided sleaze JT turned into. His story almost starts off as a crusader against evil who eventually gets turned to the dark side, by his own arrogance.

I say almost because his position seems to be that pop culture is the root of all modern evil. I'm suprised that idiot hasn't tried to sue the makers
of flight simulators as terrorist training tools.

JT is on par with the wacko Mom that protests military funerals and has her kids holding signs that read "God hates you."

In all fairness, you should let JT send in a statement to defend himself. I understand that blocking him from the posts is necessary, he demonstrated
what he can do to a fax machine.

This way, he is presented with an opportunity to correct any misconceptions he feels are out there against him. i.e. a litigious natured, offensive petty little man with delusions of grandeur who has no qualms with unethical behavior.
im sorry i have

if i may have everyones attention please . . .

and now a moment of silence in honor of the brave fallen in this trial our beloved fax machine may you rest in peace
You should be commended for this work Dennis. This series has proven to be a, dare I say it? Delightful look into the sheer depths of arrgance and madness Thompson suffers from (No matter HOW fruity it is for a full-grown man to say delightful of a news series.)

I, for one, appreciate all the effort and... unpleasantness that goes into these stories, moreso your dealings with thompson himself.

So to get off my kick of SERIOUS commentating and get beck to the good old fashioned sardonic jokes: You win the prestiegious Al Gore award. For not only did you WIN the internet with this series, you INVENTED the internet.

Go you.

AgnostoTheo
How does one get in contact with J.T.?
My first time posting. Thank you So much GP. If you do more of these, you can rest assure I will read it. And a big thank you to Hal for the funds.
"JT (March 18): ...I don’t have to relive it for a twit who couldn’t care less what really happened there, asshole."

anger management.

On a serious note, you guys nicely and professionally ask him for his comment and he gives you this response? If he is consider a normal human being, then I guess crackpots are too.

P.S. Great job on this series GP!
@SeanB: by Summoning the devil... >.>
You did an excellent job GP, just don't let him onto these comment boards ever again. When will we have a verdict?
I really enjoyed reading through the events of the trial, no matter the outcome. So props for the awesome reporting Dennis!
Calling people 'assholes' and 'twits'...such a wonderful Christian ol' Jacky-boy is. A man who clearly does not love his enemy, and never turns the other cheek. There is a word for that: hypocrite!

A few other words that describe Jack: Irrational, uneducated, myopic, liar, jerk....and more than a few others that aren't fit to print.

;)
This really was a enterteining series, indeed. The sad part of this is there was any attention from the mainstream media like Fox Noise, maybe because Thompson´s trial would affect their own credibility (the little they still got).

I really want Jacko get disbarred and fired from the lawyer profession. He really is an awful man, not only for videogamers community or the videogame industry, but also for all the people who crosses on his path.

I have not any best wishes for him, but I hope he just dessapair from the media.
@SeanB:

"How does one get in contact with J.T.?"

Say his name three times while looking in mirror works, I'm told.
A wonderful series Dennis and one that I have enjoyed throughout. It was good to get the straight facts about what was going on in the case.

I wonder, when do we get to know the outcome of the case?
I'd like to point out that if Thompson is disbarred, it could potentially be a bad omen for gamers. As told, no on comes close to Thompson in "recognition factor." He is the poster boy for anti-gaming rhetoric in the United States (other nations have their own demons). So, what happens if he is disbarred, and the wind is taken out of his sails?

Someone else will take the forefront on the war on video games.

And his replacement might actually be competent.
Dennis, again, we thank you for the great job you've done at reporting this case.
Will JT ever go away quietly? As much as I'd like to think disbarrment would shut him up for good, he made it clear in his closing arguments that he would continue no matter what (as an aside, then, if that's the case, why would he fight so hard to keep his license?)

But even he does, there's no question that he'll have been effectively removed. Since he would no longer be a lawyer, he cannot claim to be an authority figure of any kind and thus would no longer be able to get on TV and claim to be an "expert" on anything. Likewise he would no logner be able to use the law like a blunt instrument and harrass and intimidate people he doesn't like. Yes, he could still file his own suits, but it would no longer be free and he'd still have to have someone else represent him. And as someone else here said, what other self-respecting lawyer would want to jeapoardize his career hitching their wagon to him? Especially since his ego is so big we know he doesn't like to compromise; it's either his way or no way at all.

The worst case scenario I could see is he could possibly fall back on his standing as a deacon in his presbyterian church and tour churches around the country preaching about the "evils" of popular entertainment to anyone who would be willing to have him. But even then he would not be nearly the force he once was. Having been effectively declawed, defanged an neutered by the Bar, his words will carry no more import than the cranky old man shouting from his porch at the young whippersnappers to get off his lawn.

Just wondering, is it me or do Jack's mental faculties appear to be deteriorating? Not that he was ever polite to begin with, but I seem to recall a time when he at least retained some semblance of decorum and did not use obscenities. But considering he called Dennis "asshole" here told Clatus Junkin to "go fuck himself" during his testimony, it seems he feels he's no longer above doing that either. If he's supposed to be a Christian, he's not doing a very good job of it. Whose frontal lobes are supposed to be fried again?
thompson is a posterboy for legal reform lol

i wouldnt worry bout someone following in his footsteps
Great job on the articles by the way. I'm sure everyone here really appreciates the effort you put into these.

How is JT going to sue you if he can't file anymore? Did Florida revoke that privilege?
Do you have any idea when a decision will be reached? As I understand it the trial was over several month ago, and there still hasn't been an announcement. Is this normal?
@ Are'el

Except a competent lawyer wouldn't misrepresent personal opinions as facts, nor would a competent lawyer file dozens upon dozens of frivolous lawsuits, nor would a competent lawyer be so hypocritical, nor would a competent lawyer kill fax machines. I don't think we have anything to worry about.

Oh right, and a competent lawyer actually WINS cases.
Cidas & ArchRanger:

On or before April 21st.
I wonder if Fox News uses Jack Thompson again and calls him an attorney after he gets disbarred can we sue them for false information?

But knowing fox news they would use some other title such as "expert".
@ SeanB

If you're asking for his e-mail... just don't. It will only add fuel to his fire.
Bravo, GP. Bravo. I applaud your efforts to cover this trial to the best of your ability (and pocketbook) and applaud all the harder for your efforts to have JT involved. Please, keep up the good work.
Can I just say the people insulting Jack and his wife/family. You know that isn't helping at all, right?
Maybe once he's disbarred he can be a fax machine spokesperson. I mean, think about it.. whatever fax machine he has KILLED ANOTHER ONE, and keeps on going! The makers of that fax machine should jump on this opportunity at once!
Dennis, I'd like to thank you for all the hard work you put into this fantastic series. You've done a lot for this site and to your readers and we appreciate you for it! Excelsior!
I hope the judge rules that he should lose his his license to practice law in the state of Florida, and that anyone he has ever insulted, offended, slandered, made cry, or caused fax machine failure to, shall hereby be allowed to kick Jack Thompson in the nuts as hard as they can, while wearing a pair of steel-toed boots.
Dennis, great coverage of the trial! Very informative and educational.

@SG HighCharity: We don't need to sink to his level, man. Leave mrs. T out of it.
***Informative and entertaining, not educational. Because then we wouldn't be under-educated.
@SG HighCharity -- dude, not cool. Leave the family out of this. And grow the hell up.
JT is supposed to get his answer from this case apparently the day of my birthday. I'm psyched.
Jack Thompson must be disbarred, or fax machines everywhere will suffer!

Won't SOMEBODY please think of the poor fax machines?!
Did anyone read the second paragraph in Thompson's email? This guy would be a perfect fit at Fraud News.
@ Jimbo

That's precisely my point. With Jack, it's been like our enemies were being led by a drunken circus monkey. There was nothing to fear, because Thompson's own insanity worked against him.

But if someone else takes up the cause, someone that isn't self destructive and knows what they are doing, cases against video games might become harder to defend against.
@Are'el

But doesn't it take a self-destructive, insane person to make these claims in the first place? We haven't seen any competent legitimate lawyer make any national headway in anti-video game legislation and lawsuits.

It seems very hard to believe that a competent lawyer would make such claims against Take Two and other companies.
competent attorney dont chase windmills
@Black Manta:

JT is still free to file his own suits and briefs and motions and whatnot -- just not in the Florida Supreme Court, which is a separate jurisdiction from all the other courts. It may be a higher court, but the instruction was only to the clerk of the SCOFLA. Florida does have a vexatious litigant law that could enjoin him from filing anywhere else in the state's jurisdiction, but that would have to be considered in a separate case.

I have various reasons, however, to doubt that they would attempt to apply that law to him, not the least of which is that it wasn't intended for JT's particular sort of behavior, but more for "habitual litigants" who make a habit of making essentially random and illogical suits. Jack's litigation might be a twisted sort of self-aggrandizing self-righteous quixotic pursuit of, well, publicity for Jack, but it does at least maintain some logic.

The only thing disbarment would do materially is bar him from representing anyone else in court. Wouldn't help his reputation of course.
Dennis, thank you for all you've done and put up with to get this story out. You should go run Fox News on the side in your spare time, from what I see from them it doesn't seem to take a lot of effort!

BTW, I don't know why so many of you are worried about Mrs. Thompson. She's been married to the king of buffoons for years, ovarian cancer should be a piece of cake.
@ Cullarn

Well, ther is is son to consider. Hopefully though he has more sense than his dad and realizes what a jerk he's been and we can be spared Jack 2.0.
I don't think we need to worry too much about JT's "replacement" as the charismatic anti-gaming figure. One of the reason JT has become so well-known is his unabashed bending of the truth. No lawyer who actually intended to win would have filed the case that JT did against "Bully" in Florida. Even a cursory review of the game makes it clear that it's not a public nuisance. But Jack was okay with filing it because he just likes the publicity and likes to be able to say later that he filed a lawsuit against a gaming company.

If someone else arises to take his place, hopefully it'll be someone who is concerned about their reputation and won't take on cases just for the publicity. When gaming is addressed on its merits, after all, it's not quite as frightening as JT would have everyone believe it is. That's why all the legitimate research coming out now shows that gaming isn't actually harmful. Long-term, gamers have a lot in our favor.

And speaking of that, +1 to laying off the personal sniping at JT's family. It shows that we're on a higher moral level if we don't stoop to vulgarities and name-calling.
@Are'el Says:

It's not like there's a fixed sum of anti-game crusaders out there. There's the occasional ignorant asshat in the USA, but over in Europe, there appears to be a real full-on assault by governments to regulate content. These people aren't less emboldened by the fact that a clown like Jack Thompson exists, and while they'll no doubt breathe *some* sighs of relief if and when JT is finally drummed out of any marginally respectable debate, it's not like they've been holding back in the meantime.

Perhaps the talking head on the news will be replaced by someone more agreeable in tone, but I'd welcome civil debate -- the truth always tends to have more of a fighting chance when fear, anger, and hate aren't allowed into the debate.
After looking back at that threatening/insulting post by our favorite lawyer, I realized that it's deliciously ironic-he calls all of the site's commenters uneducated (which it's obvious if you read comments regularly is at least partially untrue)...but apparently couldn't be bothered to spell check his own comment. oops.
Well if there's any justice in this world, he'll get his.

Really, that's all I've got.
I'm kind of confused about something.. If he so very much wants to be able to have his say, why doesn't he just create his own blog? It doesn't even have to cost money. He could use one of those many Livejournal accounts he created, or use Blogspot.
Thompson, if you're so worried about getting your side out, make your own blog. Or maybe you couldn't do so without libeling others?
@ronald watts

he does have his own blogsite!!!
http://www.jackthompson.org/

i guess he nerver gets any traffic
Just because Jack's willing to drag Stinger and Pat in his mud doesn't mean they deserve the same. In all fairness, Stinger's not old enough to have a choice and Pat apparently chooses to stay out of it (it is, I believe, Jack who uses her alleged illness as an excuse for his conduct and a basis for appeals to sympathy).

Keep those punches above the belt.
@cullarn, wow...they don't update that site often do they? Recent news is May '07?
@cullarn

Actually, that's not Jack's site. Jack's site, under its most recent name (it's had a few different names), is rescuejustice.com (but it's got no content, just a reservation in his name).
@Cullarn:

Hmmm I find it interesting that the last "News" on it was the FL court starting his trial in april of last year. Anyone else think that maybe he realized that no one cared what he thought?
@JDKJ:

Uh..."Stinger"?
@jdkj

rescue justice . . . methinks someones gonna launch an anti bar website
yeah jdkj explain stinger
@hayabusa75:

That's Jack's nickname for his son.

Don't look at me. I just report the facts, I don't make them up.
oh whew its a nickname i was afraid that was his real name
@cullarn:

So said Jack (an anti-bar website) when he annouced that it was coming on-line soon. That was quiet some time ago. About the same time he announced that he was taking on the D.O.D.
hes taking on the dod??????

and im suing sweden for not sending me free chocolates
Going through all of the article sections here make it clear to me what Thompson's position is, and viewed in this way, he is indeed consistent. His position is twofold:

1.) Only direct speech - words coming out of someone's mouth, or onto a piece of paper (and similar) qualifies as protected speech. He's wrong about that, but he genuinely believes that movies, video games, music, etc. are not protected speech.

2.) Attorneys are held only to the same yardstick as anyone else - that for them to say something out of line or actionable, it has to actually be slander/libel. He can call someone all sorts of names in the book, as long as he's not actually stepping over the slander line. He genuinely believes that there is no other yardstick for professional conduct. I'm pretty sure that even if that is the only measure, he's stepped over that line on several occasions, and just hasn't been called on it.

However, I'm pretty sure that attorneys are supposed to be held to a higher standard when they're appearing in their official capacity. A lawyer who is also a talk show host is not required to maintain the same level of civility when he's on the air - only when he's before the judge or writing pleadings to the court (or other communication dealing directly with his professional capacity, such as emails to a judge about the case he's on). And if that's the case, then Thompson fails spectacularly on that count, as he's just as nasty and vindictive in his professional capacity as he is outside of the courtroom.

IANAL, and all that, but my mother is a retired attorney, now serving as a Legal Referee... so I have some knowledge and interest in this sort of thing.
@nekojin

thanx for the info

@gp

anychance you can get a legal blogger to talk about this case? (im sure theres a few who would love to have a laugh at jt)
@Nekojin:

The Florida Bar's Rules of Conduct can be divided into two classes. One class forbids certain conduct by an attorney in representing their client. The other class forbids certain conduct regardless of whether or not the attorney is representing a client when engaging in the forbidden conduct.
@jdkj

anything like the forbidden dance? =p
Jack Thompson's new Job:

Cashier at Best Buy, Circuit City, GameSpot

QA for a fax machine company

Spokes person for a fax machine company. "This is the best fax machine on the market, I couldnt even kill it"

Fax Machine repair man

Spokes person for spam filtering service. "This spam filter, caught all of my email and sent them to appropriate place, the trash"

Fox news' Butt Boy

Guy who stands on street with sign saying "Video games they will bring upon the apocalypse"

The guy on the street with the sign "tell me off $1 = 2 minutes" <--lots of money here

Become a fortune teller with the tag "I predicted Columbine"

start actually taking care of his wife instead of going on a "crusade".
@F**ked Up

Yeah, I was thinking that too. In the eyes of Fox News, Thompson might always be a "school shooting expert"... ~_~
It really gave me a look into what this man is all about. It is not a pretty picture.
"Will Fox News still want a de-licensed attorney as their go-to guy?"

Let's put it this way: Fox News has no problem with employing Oliver North.

Anyway. Thanks very much to both you and Mr. Halpin for the time, energy, and money you've spent on this series. It's been very edifying.
Ive been reading this blog for seems like forever (has it really only been 3 years? feels like way more), though a i rarely comment anymore. But just wanted to say you do a really amazing job Dennis. I can't believe how much BS and abuse you have to put up with on the JT front (as evidenced by that email exchange) wherether it in risking collateral damage to your fax machine, PC, and email accounts by leaving them exposed to his relentless fire, or even the stuff form the distant past like soldiering through the ridiculous days when he would spam the livejournal with the worst sort of trollign and flaming in anonymous comments or later the parade of quickly banned and ridiculous and insuting usernames on the livejournal blog. Just wanted to say i for one (and i bet people agree) really appreciate that you put yourself front and center out there to take that crap from him and sift through it, so that the average gamer doesn't have to (but we can still remain well informed on the interesting - if you can call them that - portions of his activities).

This series was fascinating, im waiting on pins and needles for the reportage of the result of Tunis's ruling.
Well if Jack does get disbarred maybe he won't carry on. After all he says he'll do a lot of things but doesn't. Plus his wife sounds pretty unwell, maybe he'll want to take family time for her sake? (I wish her well btw.)

Gift.
you know at the risk of being rude, i wouldnt be surprised if his wife was in perfect health (hes lied about almost everything else)
To cullarn:

I´m agree with that. I think he is just using his wife to get symphaty.
JT is a Hack and has always been a Hack. My only hope is that someone does an autobiography on him for the sole purpose of humiliating him in front of people who dont know what his history has been.
now the suspense is killing me...I won't sleep peacefully until i see posted in big, bold letters on the frontpage "Jack Thompson Disbarred" it won't stop him but it will be an event worth celebrating in my opinion.....
@Jack Thompson

Here is something from the kids of southpark...

Cartman: OMG! YOU KILLED THE FAX MACHINE!
Kyle: YOU B**TARD!!!!
"I don’t have to relive it for a twit who couldn’t care less what really happened there, asshole."

Wow.
It's a free country, Jack's entitled to keep pushing his agenda, just as we're entitled to point out the falsehoods and half truths he uses to further and support his agenda. I more than welcome JT's continued push forward if he gets disbarred, it will only put him on more equal ground with us, given that A) he won't be able to say he's a lawyer, and B) he'll have to face the truth that his actions, and his actions alone, are what got him disbarred. Even a loser who actions professionally looks better than a victor who acts like a child.

The series was greatly appreciated Dennis!
I agree freak4all, let's see him get disbarred
@cullarn & Rodrigo Ybáñez García:

Please tell me that possibility didn't just dawn on you two.
@jdkj

no to be blunt ive just been waiting "for the right time" to start with an accusation
To JackDon'tKnowJack:

I believe he is lying about that. He lies. That´s what he does best. Even if he isn´t lying, either he is saying all the truth.

And why he used his wife´s sickness for his defense?

GP: While personally I wouldn't drag my family issues into a business matter the way he did here, I really don't believe he would make that up.
"They also hired Karl Rove."

The night of the Ohio and Texas primaries, I was flipping between the 3 news channels. Karl Rove might be evil, but the dude is a freakin' genius. He was able to give a lot of intelligent insight into what Hillary and Barack were doing strategically.

There's a reason the Republicans keep hiring him.

In Jack's case, he's just evil. No genius there.
Jack ends up like Rosenberg from GTA SA, tries to find a job but nobody will hire him, so he's forced to sell "Hot Coffee" on the streets.
The only way to shut him up is his natural death, and we won't see that in 10 or 20 years.
I have looked forward to every post. I am gonna miss the coverage (although I am glad its over, it takes a while to read all this and I am busy :). It was interesting to read it and the comments too. I thought JT came off crazy in the earlier parts but finished up pretty well. The coverage seems pretty fair to me. You can tell from many of his arguments that he is much more political then a lawyer. Disbarring him could push him more into a government position. In most cases it seems you simply need to be good at manipulating the media for that. I am not that eager to see him disbarred. Right now we sort of know what to expect. I am not afraid of the possibilities but right now its pretty easy to counter his arguments. I am just being lazy, haha.

JT is very similar to Joseph McCarthy. Maybe we can refer to his methods as Thompsonism.
after hes disbarred hes gonna go out and shoot somebody with a copy of the latest gta in his pocket
on the day Judge Tunis is going to release her findings, i can imagine Judge Moore walking up to JT before going into the courtroom and say...


"My name is James Moore. You killed my fax machine. Prepare to be disbarred."
I don't even know who typed that but I apologize for the comment. I had this on here for a few moments and stepped away to notice one of my roommates, who also is an avid gamer, typing on here.

please accept my full apologies.

The real SG HighCharity
Jimbo Says:

"When the disbarment ruling comes through, I call on all of us to burn a fax machine in Jack’s honor."

Oh man that was so funny !!! =D

And what a wonderful treat has GP provided for us, via Dennis effort and profesionalism with fascinating and rare insights on legal procedures and personal attitudes.

And the forum people, a somewhat nutty but all the same rather endearing bunch =)

Thank you all !
@sg

sorry did i miss something? and should i bother asking?
A wonderful job you did following the trial, Dennis. Really, I commend you, especially considering how much crap you must take from ol' Jacko on a regular basis.

Honestly, I've never seen a lawyer act so unprofessional. Twit? Industry flak? Asshole? That's right, Mr. Thompson, calling people names is definitely going to get you far in life.

Is Mr. Thompson going senile or something?
To relay my hopes that JT is disbarred, I have decided to produce an edited version of Joseph Welch's explosion at Joe McCarthy, revised to fit JT.

"Let us not assassinate these games further, Mr. Thompson. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

Indeed. Has he left no sense of decency? He clearly does not have enough to take censure like a man, like McCarthy apparently did until he died.
@cullarn

Apparently a comment was made under my name making disparaging remarks about JT's wife. I didn't post them, and I wanted to try and apologize to the GP posters.

Once again I'm sorry..
@Kev
I would not call Thompson's methods McCarthyism, but the similarities justify the comparison.
@sg

ah i see well i wouldnt worry bout it too much
If(When) Thompson's disbarred, while I don't believe Thompson will shut up and practice what he preaches, I do believe that, because of Thompson's recognition factor, he will take the Thompson wannabes down with him.
@BearDogg-X

You're right. He won't. He'll resort to unconventional tactics to destroy video-games and probably get arrested.

It probably won't matter to him anyway that he's gonna get disbarred because he will still have his status as an anti-videogame activist.
"It probably won’t matter to him anyway that he’s gonna get disbarred because he will still have his status as an anti-videogame activist."

which doesn't really matter at all, like the points in "who's line is it anyway"
I can see him being disbarred and a few months down the line losing the appeal as well, but I don't see it being the end of Jack.

Personally I think Jack's Next career move will be an "expert" for Fox News, rolled out everytime they want someone to slag off something mainstream or Games Industry related, which I'm sure he will be all too happy to go along with for the right price.

What is more likely to hinder him is if he starts making legal threats as if he is a lawyer still and ends up being taken to task over it, or finds himself being sued next time he lies or defames someone without his legal standing to fall back on. Either way, I don't see any judges needing to cancel their fax copier toner refills just yet...
I look forward to years of Jack's angry letters to the editor of local papers. Hopefully he'll just email people at random and threaten lawsuits, hoping desperately that someone doesn't know what a joke he's made himself. Then we can read those and laugh at his impotence more.
I'm gonna step out of normal shoes for a minute, if only because I've been critical at times of Dennis (not often), and more critical of the ECA.

Thank you.

Hal didn't have to pay for the transcripts, Dennis didn't have to stand up to Jackzilla, but they both did. I can only imagine that it must have been allot of work to paw through those transcripts and set up the series. For what it's worth, I appreciate the effort. I don't really see any point in personally making up my mind about the case, if only because my own opinion is quite irrelevant to the verdict really. However, that doesn't mean the series doesn't have value.

I had fun reading it, and I thought it was rather...insightful. Still, as I said, the series must have been an awful lot of work to compose, but thank you for your effort. I enjoyed it.

GP: Well, thanks, jaded... I can tell you that Hal gave me 110% support on this series as he does on everything related to GamePolitics....
I appreciate the time, expense and effort in providing this series for us GP. I didn't pay much attention to Jack until this series ran. As many on this forum mentioned, it was (to me) rather like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I didn't give much thought to who Jack was before this. But after putting some thought into, I do believe that he does this only for the attention he receives. If he truly believed as he claims, that video game players are nothing more than mindless "undereducated" kids that are training on murder simulators, I believe he would have handled himself far differently over the years.

First of all, I noticed he treats the lot of us with disdain. If it is truly the games that are causing the violence, would he not be interested (as a good Christian) in saving us from turning into mass murders from these games? Wouldn't logic suggest that he be more angry at the companies that make the games and treat the users rather as victims. He seems to show equal contempt for both the players and the companies. It isn't the gamers fault if it is the games themselves causing violence. He seems to only claim he cares for the victims. Has anyone ever heard him say it wasn't the poor childs fault, they were programmed to act that way?

Secondly, and this is just the way I would view the situation, but I would have serious second thoughts about deliberately trying to piss off a group of people that I knew beyond a doubt were mass murders waiting to happen. I'd have a hard time imagining these people that were training on murder simulators wouldn't come after me personally. He never has seemed to fear anything from the people he incites.

To me, these are holes in his claim that he is doing this for purely altruistic reasons. I don't think he honestly believes what he claims. He enjoys the limelight, he enjoys the fight, and he probably very much enjoys the feeling of purpose he believes he has. I'd be surprised if even getting disbarred would slow him down much. But he sure seems bent on burning out rather than fading away.
@ Round

"Wouldn’t logic suggest that he be more angry at the companies that make the games and treat the users rather as victims."

Logic? Logic!? JT don't need no stinking logic!
@Black_Manta

Now we just sit back and wait for the ruling. I think we all know the most likely outcome... :)
Now we just sit back and wait for the ruling. I think we all know the most likely outcome... :)
BTW, thanks Dennis for posting that music video, it was fantastically funny. I know that once JT sees it he will fume, call youtube and demand that they take it down, swear at them, profess that he is a lawyer, god is on his side, threaten to sue them, and attempt Faxicide.
You'll know when his right to practice law gets stripped away because we (gamers) will suddenly feel...Mellow in a way.
I think his self-importance will be his final undoing.
Jack Thompson headline after disbarment will be about being arrested for practicing law without a license.
@ Gryphonosiris

Faxicide?

You win the internet.
Dennis

An excellent series, and one I enjoyed. I just wish we could have gotten the cross examination of JT and the closing arguments for the Prosecutor. How much would that have been?

Oh well, still extremely good work, and very well done. Thanks for all the hard work you put into this.

GP: Yuki, the prosecutor did not make a closing argument. They submitted it in writing. Honestly, I think the series was just the right length as is. Two entire weeks devoted to it seems about right. And, as I've said - I've heard that a good bit of JT's testimony involved reading things into the record...
@Gryphonosiris

I love that vid!

Video games, video games, video games-games-games!
@ Round
Thompson has compared himself to Jesus so many times, i have doubts about his fear of us.If one of us "trained killers" were to actually do him in....it would only make him look like a martyr...wich is exactly what he would want

@GP
I only found this site while trying to look up stuff on thompson.I have since become an avid fan of gamepolitics and i greatly appreciatethe time and effort that you put into this.I also thank those who replied to my posts and answered any questions(mine or otherwise) as constructively and clearly as they could
Can you have a link that shows us Jack's latest posts on GP or highlights them so I can find um..
JT: "I don’t have to relive it for a twit who couldn’t care less what really happened there, asshole."

Oh, I'd forward this one on to the judge in charge of his trial as additional evidence.

One can only hope once he's disbarred, nobody else will be willing to tarnish their own career and reputation by helping him file anything else in court.

Hell, let him try and sue each and every one of us. After all, the truth hurts him so much that he'll sue to shut us up. That way he can take his crusade that next step and drive himself into bankruptcy, and people will further keep him at arm's length. It's no less than he deserves.

Well, Jackass Thompson, are you up to the challenge?
@JT (really Shadow Darkman)

PLEASE DON'T BAN ME FOR THAT!!! I MEANT NAUGHT BUT A JEST!!!
I hope he gets disbarred. If he does, even though he won't go quietly, he most likely will eventually go away. If he looses his license no one, including Fox News, will go near him. They won't want to put a "lawyer" on who has no credibility. Then he'll be nothing but a schmuck to the rest of the world just like he is to the gaming community
Unfortunately this won't stop Jackass Thompson and his "crusade" but his disbarrment will muzzle him at least.
Normally, this would be too pretentious even for me to say, but not this time: thanks you, Dennis, for the sacrifice you have made and the unimaginable suffering you have endured for our sakes and that of covering important events relevant to videogames.

And now at least we have the evidence, for those who weren't previously convinced, of Thompson's inanity and insanity. It's good--although another dollop in a huge manure pile of Thompson's "expertise" and "professionalism"--to see that he has less of an understanding of libel than many of the non-lawyers among us.

Or else he would know that it doesn't count as "defamatory" or "malicious misrepresentation" when it's just direct quoting, in context, and with no exterior commentary. That's true representation, and this fact doesn't change just because some of the many, many asinine things Thompson said aren't included.
Ah, see, with Thompson's response to the emails, I finally see how valid his comparison of himself to Jesus really is! See, I remember the part in the Bible where an interested passer-by asked Jesus to tell one of His famous parables again and Jesus responded, "Piss off mouth-breather, I don't have to cater to assholes like you."
@Round

See my name.

@Dennis

Thanks for all the hard work that went into this. Besides the financial aspect of it, it couldn't have been easy going through those transcripts and then typing them up. It was pretty difficult to read some of them once, and I'm sure you had to read them multiple times to decide what should be included here. I really hope you have the time and energy to post the complete transcripts.

@Everyone, I say we start a fund to help Dennis pay for Thompson's testimony in his defense. That's gotta be a pretty interesting, and by interesting I mean entertaining, read.
@kaemmerite

Is that in one of the Gospels, or a later book? Maybe Revelation? [insert appropriate smiley here]
@GP

Thank you for all the work you put into covering this trial - including the difficulties you faced (and continue to face) when dealing with JT.
Jack Thompson: Where is my fax machine? Is she safe? Is she alright?
Karl Rove: It seems, in your anger, you killed her.
Jack Thompson: I couldn't have. She was alive! I felt it! NOOO!
Thompson will have difficulty suing you as he will be disbarred well before he could bring such an action to trial and I don't see him getting another lawyer to take such a baseless case.
The day Jack Thompson is disbarred is the day Hell starts preparing a place for another lawyer.

...And consequently, it'll also be the day many gamers will be running through the streets stark naked holding fax machines to cover up their genitalia.
@Round:
JT won't use that logic because it was in a videogame:

"Robots aren't evil, humans make them that way." - Lucca, Chrono Trigger
Thank you Game Politics to let me know that these Anti-gamers like Jack here are not really what they are cracked up to be when they sproose themselves up for TV.

Although these ocasions are not what the mainstream media wants to cover, anyone like you guys who are passionate about Videogaming are just posting out news stories about what other people are talking about Videogames in society.

Sometimes it is positive, others are negative, but your news is so much better than the news I see on TV.
Jack will always be Jack, until he realises that what he is doing is just embarresing himself.

Unfortunately I feel that the day when he does decide to just let go of his moral religious crucade against anything evil in his mind will be the day when pigs would fly.

At least I know that Game Politics can be counted on posting the news stoies from the other side of the fance when it comes to Videogame issues...
@this is reason
ya know, thats not a bad idea.
@GP
How much would you need donated in order to get those transcripts?
With Jack's unrestrained (unprofessional) tenacity, consistent (consistently rude) attitude, and his sense of (unintentional) humor, I'd say he's a shoe-in editor for "The Onion". I'm sure that readership numbers would explode overnight, and readers would even be able to call and speak with Jack on a hotline of sorts. Of course, those numbers might dip after readers realize that he's not in on the joke and absolutely serious.

The next step is to figure out who at Vanderbilt granted this imbecile a juris doctor.
I'm still figuring out how editing down a transcript of someone elses words is libellous... but there you go... Jack Thompson, the man who argues his first amendment rights are being threatened in his crusade to stop others using theirs.
@JDKJ:

I can only assume Jack gave his son that ridiculous nickname as some sort of too-clever-by-half reference to their Best Buy "field trips"...what a fool.
@hayabusa75:

No need to assume. That's what Jack said. Part of a radio interview he did when the Massachusetts bill he helped draft was coming before Committee. GP's got an article with a link to the radio station. You can probably still listen to Jack explain it, if you care. It's actually pretty funny stuff, if you like jokes where Jack's the butt.
Tack Jhompson: The Take Three Story Coming; to an internet near j00!
"You are running a series of “articles” at your site about my Bar trial by selectively procuring transcripts of the portions thereof that suit your purposes. You have asked for me to provide you transcripts of other portions. I neither have them nor do I have a duty to provide them if I did have them. You have, however, a duty to procure transcripts for all portions of the trial if you are to profess to be reporting on this event in a non-libelous and fair fashion. This is the first breach of your legal duties to me."

Thompson is truly a bully who clearly has no idea what he is talking about (or, at least, is attempting to intimidate you into believing he does).

You owe him no legal duty at all. There is no law, to my knowledge, that requires you to post his testimony.

There is no such thing as a "fairness doctrine" (i.e., you are not obligated to post both sides of an argument -although, of course, from a journalistic standpoint, all you need to do to present a fair look at it is to present his side - which, of course, you have done).

Moreover, libel is written defamation. However, the defense to libel is the truth. If all you are doing is saying "here is this witness' testimony" or "here is the prosecutor's direct exam", then you are just reporting a fact...

Clearly, he wouldn't have a case against you - as long as you did not doctor any of the testimony.
"[Paul Kerton] I'm still figuring out how editing down a transcript of someone elses words is libellous… but there you go… Jack Thompson, the man who argues his first amendment rights are being threatened in his crusade to stop others using theirs."

From a legal standpoint, it is not. Libel is written defamation - i.e., you made untrue statements in such a manner as to defame his character. As I wrote in my post above, GP is merely reporting on select testimony that his readers may find interesting (something newspapers do all the time) and has done nothing wrong.

I guess that Jack believes that, if the law and facts do not support your case, make up different law and different facts.
@Mark Carter

We all know that he can't do anything beside hurling second-rate insults. Jack is one of those individuals who only sees what they want to see and understand only what they want to understand. And on top of that, he respect and listen to no one but himself. To him, if an article doesn't show him on a good light, he'll says it's libellous.

I'm still sure he cherishes his law licence because it makes him appear intimidating (at first), but the only thing remotely professional he got is the title of "Attorney" (which he'll lose pretty soon).
How is it that Jack passed his Bar exam in the first place?

He seems completely ignorant of laws on the books, such as the fact that truth negates libel and slander.

In this case, GP is posting public record. Unless JT can prove that the court record was altered, he's basically threatening to pursue a frivilous and legally baseless SLAPP lawsuit just as he's alleging the Florida Bar of doing.

Personally though, I wonder if he'll be open to harassment lawsuits from the law firms putting up with his avalanche of faxes and e-mails once he loses his license to practice law.
@ Jay

Personally though, I wonder if he’ll be open to harassment lawsuits from the law firms putting up with his avalanche of faxes and e-mails once he loses his license to practice law.


I think personally this is the reason why he may want to try to keep his license. He knows once he loses it, he will be open to lawsuits from enemies seeking retribution as it will be easier to sue him. In other words, once his "shields are down," he'll be an open target. He may desire to continue his "crusade", but he knows the defamation, slander and libel suits that would come his way would financially cripple him.
@ GP

The entire series was very interesting to read. I see you've went through a lot to bring this information to us and I appreciate it.

It was all full of good Lulz (Fax Machine Murder FTW). And a lot of *facepalm'd* moments. But it was all a good read.


And those e-mail excerpts really show the jerk in Jack... some professional he is..
@gp

hmm (dont take this the wrong way) you dont cover tumas closing but you do cover his and mostly cover his cross exams and your being unfair to him??
Dennis, for what's it's worth, a huge thanks from me as well, for all the effort you put forth in providing what you could, and for Hal for helping cover costs (I had an ex who was studying to be a court reporter while working in a firm for hiring and assigning them, and the numbers involved in transcript costs blew my mind!).

Good to hear the court reporter was very nice and courteous in the workings as well.
I've been playing a lot of Civilization III lately (which is published by Take-Two, how ironic!) Thompson reminds me of the civ leaders that randomly pop up with threats of invasion if you don't give into their demands, but back down when you choose "Take your empty threats elsewhere".
@F**ked Up
Spokes person for a fax machine company. “This is the best fax machine on the market, I couldn't even kill it”

You, sir, win the Internet.
Much appreciation for all your hard work in getting these to us. They've been an amazing read and a real insight into the man. It's been a real eye opener for me. Not that I agreed with Thompson, but that I was under the impression that he was a sane, reasonable individual out to do what he considered to be good. I now see this is not the case.

It shows great credit to yourself that you are willing to email him for his side of the story. Not only were you very generous in your email, but you risk a great deal of messages from Thompson. I have not yet determined the risk to be rewarding enough. I sincerely hope, for the sake of your machine, that you did not give him your fax.
I'm interested in where things will go from here. Hypothetically, let's say the courts slap him on the wrist or he gets away with a suspension of some kind. Does Jack act out any of these threats? I mean we've all see him threaten people, but is he all bluster? Has he actually attempted one of these harassment/libel/slander/I'm-suing-you-because-I'm-a-lawyer-and-your-not suits? I mean I doubt he'll keep his license, but I figured we'd go to what-if land for a bit. Actually come to think of it, even if he loses it, will he actually attempt the above. Personally i don't think he will, but we'll see I'm sure.
I think Smith's testimony said it well in stating that what Jack Thompson does under guise of being an anttorney has nothing at all to do with the practice of law. As one poster rightly noted, it's much more like terrorism. And, unfortunately, Jack's brand of terrorism does indeed somtimes work well for him. And if he is disbarred, I've no doubt he will continue to be a terrorist. He just won't be able to do it under cover of being an attorney.

P.S.@Jack Thompson:

Mr. Smith testimony was clearly inadmissible opinion testimony. You should have objected and moved to strike.
If Jack loses his license to practice law, it won't make him any less annoying or persistent. He just won't be able to bully people with the legal system anymore (unless he finds somebody else to do it for him). Significant damage will be done to his credibility, although FOX News may still invite him because they only care about representing one side of an argument.

Thank you for these transcripts, GP. I've been looking forward to them every day, and they've been a pleasure to read.
@GP

Thanks for everything on the long road with this hooligan (JT). This is not the first time he has cause you a tough workload and sent you threats. This thank you is not just for this series but for being the buffer between Jack and the rest of us when he had his rampages through the comments section.

@ Everyone who has been around since he showed his face

It looks like the long road of legal threats and attacks on our collective character (and some singled out attacks) will be winding down. I propose that we help JT. Since his "attourney and your not" mantra will not longer be applicable, we need to come up with a new title for him.

Think of what we owe him for the years of entertainment!
I'm going to get a petition going to make it illegal to commite Faxicide. I'd like to thank Tack for bring a much needed law to our attention, and Gryphonosiris for giving it a name (and coining it) so it can become a law.
@ ArchGabe

School Shooting Expert is my vote.
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I just have this sad image of him crying kicking and screaming while trying ot hold a death grip on his wallet as they try to toss his license in the shredder
@ kurisu7885

And all the while, he's saying over and over, "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do".
@beardogg-x

no hes damning them to hell for disagreeing with him
@Archgabe

Maybe we should send Jack some flowers and a letter. Wait, were you suggesting this for more entertainment or an actual thanks?
@Quad9damage

The main reason many found Jack annoying was his consistent stream of legal threats. Now that he'd actually have to hire someone to do his dirty work, he appears much more vulnerable.
@ MJ12

Both
You've got balls Mr. McCauley!

I salute you and your efforts, along with those who've helped you out to bring us this series :D
A fair "What Next for Thompson" prediction could be that his conduct, which I believe is partially driven by his narcissitic personality disorder, will worsen over time. To my untrained eye, his lunacy has, over the course of the last five years or so, graudually worsened. Not surprising. Such is often the case when NPD goes untreated. So, all things being equal and constant, don't be surprised if Jack gets loonier. Amazed? Perhaps. Surprised? No.
You guys did good. I look forward to more coverage.

Let me just summerize how I see the whole thing.

First of all, every medium has been through this same controversy: Movies, TV, Internet, Rock & Roll, Gospel, etc.

With every controversy, you have polititians (or political wannabes, JT) that flock to it like carion fowl to a carcass. Usually, these carion birds work together to fight for the same goal.

JT, on the other hand, has fought friend and foe alike to get to the juicy parts first. He attacks, or at least threatens to, anyone he feels might pose a threat to his political agenda. He goes after anyone he thinks could potentially stand in his way.

And his Blasphemy! Throughout history, all the major leaders have claimed "Divine providence" to justify their conquests and crimes. From the ancient civilizations that believed their kings were born of heaven, to Bush using "God's Call" to support the Iraq war. JT is no different using Biblical values to justify his crimes. Blasphemy.
Jack will be disbarred, and he will spend the next few years suing everyone he can think of. At some point (soon) Fox will drop him, and he will fade into the obscurity that he fears. You all will stop talking about him. That is his worst fear-irrelevancy and oblivion. He'll have to talk to himself in the mirror, which he gazes into fondly each and every day. He is a very committed narcissist.

GP, as a non-video game lawyer who testified against him and had to live through years of tiresome and defamatory emails (only 2 today; I feel lucky), I am willing to share the transcripts of the my testimony and his pitiful cross-examination, if you want it. It's not game related, but his actions are very familiar to all your readers.
id love to see the transcripts
Dennis, It has been a pleasure reading this series and thank GP, its parent company, and the ECA president for the help in acquiring the transcript. Now that I've read through all 8 parts, and saw both sides of the story, one side Thompson will deny GP covered throughout, I can honestly say that this man might be one of the worst prosecutors I've seen.

Winston Payne, a fictional lawyer, could run circles around this man. Though, it isn't lawyering practice that makes him the ire of gaming culture everywhere, it's his childish, obscene, and vaguely-threatening tone thats been presented toward anyone thats been against his views, even some that didn't give a toss one way or the other. If the 'metalgearsolid.org story', cannot convince anyone that he isn't a compassionate human, that mere BLOOD does not animate him, then surely the world at large is as shrewed as he.

Regardless of what happens on April, he will always be the ire of the gaming culture, and indeed, of any lawyer that crosses his path. My hope is that he is disbarred, defamed, and put on the spam-blocker of every email account within the US judicial system. Tis a foolish request, but tis a nice wish.
@cullarn:

You just can't get enough of them transcripts, can you? Transcript junkie.
@witness -- I can't imagine the utter hell Jack must put people through for no other reason than he just feels compelled to do so. I do hope he fades into obscurity, because the guy just seems like an utter attention whore. (What, was it two days ago when he was going on about being on Fox News about something completely meaningless?)

In the few years that this site has been up, we've already seen Jack's behavior degrade. He wasn't this crazy until people started refuting his "facts," and I fear that you're right -- he's going to get worse -- because in his mind "he's perfectly sane" and he's got a bought-and-paid-for piece of paper from a family friend that says so.
I myself hope for a full transcript of the trial coming with the judge's ruling. Dennis, please make it so.
See, if you would have told me to go down to Miami, Dennis, I would have! A few days to go see some friends, go to court and even talk to JT.

I think the most damning thing is that he knows you will print what he emails to you, and yet continues to issue empty threats that can't carry the weight he says it does. Somehow he forgets he is a public figure and can't take what he dishes out. While we know that this isn't anything new from him, I would have though that this bar trial would somehow... humbled him. To me, this tell me that the man will continue to be exactly how he is now, regardless of what occurs.
@Garrett:

You're a gamer though, right? You know he'd sooner sue you for harassment than give you the time of day.
I read a study recently, I can't exactly remember where I read it (either Kotaku or GP) but it stated that video games, violent or casual, actually reduce aggression. It's the kids who didn't get enough attention from the parents that turn into killers. In many cases, the attention they did get were physical and/or mental blows to them by their parents.

A child's mind is like a sponge, it absorbs a lot. Depending how the child is brought up, whether the family is functional or dysfunctional, really determines how the child will absorb information.

In addition to my statement about parents having to work two jobs to make ends meet, it's also because of working two jobs that they're not home enough to discipline their children. I've already stated that because of it they're not always able to give enough attention to their children, that is why I didn't re-state it.

I was brought up being told that video games are not real, and if I were to act out anything I see from a video game (or a movie, TV show, etc for that matter) I would have that privilege taken away. I had a mother who was home everyday, she was a house wife, so I was also able to learn right from wrong. Most kids these days actually don't have that kind of parenting, and that's a big reason to why they act out and do stupid things like starting fights, joining gangs, or school shootings.

School shootings have their own stories, so I won't get into that topic at all.


@GoodRobotUs

I understand where you're coming from, and in parts I can somewhat agree. However, please try looking at it this way. Without Jack throwing lawsuits at everyone, todays parents wouldn't be given a reason to be aware of what their child is doing whether it's watching TV or playing a video game.

Jack's lawsuits have opened the eyes to everyone; developers, parents, and gamers alike. Sure, maybe he abused his practice.. but at the same time, he put it to some good use.
He called you an ass ****!
Thats slander,verbal assault and mental anguish.
@AlphaCentero

To be honest, Jack just hopped up onto a bandwagon that was already rolling, like Rap, there was a growing concern about the 'influence' of new media styles on young people, Jack saw the perfect combination back then, and used it to the limit, basically bringing a band from almost non-entity into the public spotlight just so that he could benefit from criticising them. Let's face it, if it hadn't been for Thompson, it would have been '2 Live Who?'

Thompsons lawsuits really added very little to the mix, to be honest, most of the ones he did file were Slapp attacks, or threats of such, against Media sources that dared to present information in a manner other than he wanted people to see it. I'd rather have people like Yee, Clinton and Walsh heading the charge against computer games, because Jack is a Zealot, he's not out to control or moderate, he's out to make greater glory for himself, and like most people who are most interested in their own glory, he doesn't really care what damage he does or what depths he sinks to in order to achieve it.

He failed with Rap Music, this is just his next hobby horse, his next promotional stunt. Don't let Thompson fool you into thinking he helped, he stirred up a lot of people with a lot of lies, the concern about computer games was something that was always coming, it was inevitable, but the 'moral panic' has been stirred up only by those who hope to profit from it.
@AlphaCentero

Would you be surprised to know that this perspective makes you the perfect opposite of Jack Thompson?

That all sounds good and I want you to do just that. But you don't take into account that Jack is extremely verbally abusive, and we can't even be sure that he actually wants to save anyone. He's only interested in debates if he gets paid and he goes to great lengths to make sure he gets as much time in the spotlight as possible, like he does here. If he were actually concerned about parents and children, he wouldn't be so contentious and vindictive.

This has had a profound effect on gamers as a whole, I believe. Gamers have had to deal with some of the worst people ever, in fact. Not just Jack, but people like Uwe Boll who butcher what they love so dearly before their very eyes, then go on to brag endlessly about it.

Like abused children, they cling to their favorite systems and titles. And whenever someone badmouths games, they return all the abuse that's been inflicted upon them with swear words, name calling, rude emails... and thus the situation escalates and the damage increases all around.

I want Jack to be destroyed so we can undo all the damage he's done at long last. His megalomania, OCD, and narcissism have indeed created a bombed-out building feeling, just not within the Florida Bar.

If you claim to be for a cause, but have no love, you just sound like a crashing cymbal or an incessant gong. No one listens to pointless noise.
@ AlphaCentero

Thank you very much for coming here and sharing your thoughts. And I for one appreciate the thought you put into your comments. Nicely done. :)

However, I beg to differ with a few of your assertions. Jack may have called attention to these things, but it's one thing to simply call attention to it. It's quite another to out-and-out demonize which is what he has done. He continually cites sudies which he misrepresents or whose methodology was questionable in the first place. He doesn't just stop with video games either, as he also considers the people who make them and play them to be morally reprehensible as well, as evidenced by his constant threats against us. If he were a reasonable man, he would have been willing to entertain a constructive dialogue with us and perhaps we could have persuaded him that video games are not bad and that not all gamers were the dregs of society. But no, instead he responded with snide comments and threats.

Also he refuses to understand that the the proposals he makes in restricting the availability of certain games to minors could potentially restrict the availibilty of them to everyone. Maybe he doesn't understand the idea of a "Chilling Effect" or maybe he does. Either way, it could severly harm the creative expression of the industry. And personally, I don't want to see the equivalent of the Hays Code or the Comics Code Authority instituted on video games. There's already a ratings system in place and, as has been documented by third parties, it works just fine.

I don't even think he is a good man. A good man wouldn't act the way he does. He wouldn't threaten us, call people "asshole" or tell them to "go fuck themselves." He would have been willing to listen and consider what we had to say rather than dismiss us outright and act as if his opinion was the only right one. Maybe he believes he's doing good, but that doesn't mean what he's doing is right. As JDKJ said, his methodology and mindset is more akin to that of a terrorist, and terrorists believe they are doing good as well. I've also compared Jack to Jim Jones and David Koresh, who also used religion as a justification for their actions. And I think whatever legitimate concerns he had about children have since long been overshadowed by his own quest for fame and self-aggrandizement. To say his tactics are "a bit out there" is an understatement. I've never seen a more hateful, vindictive person in my life.

We can all agree that it isn't wrong to protect kids from things not appropriate for them, but there's a right and a wrong way to go about it. And harrassing, insulting and threatening people who don't deserve it, using scare tactics and demonizing the medium and the people who enjoy it is clearly the wrong way.

I'm glad, however, that you intend to start a positive awarenss campaigin about gaming. That is clearly the right way to go about it and that is something I and I believe many other gamers can get behind. If Jack had come here long ago and shown that same level of respect and thoughtfulness that you have done here, he would have found us a lot more agreeable and concilatory.

Thank you again Alpha for coming here and I wish you the best of luck in your efforts. :)
Ack, beaten to the punch by three others!
AlphaCentero:

"My closing statement will be that Jack Thompson is a good man . . . ."

My opening statement will be that you couldn't possible be more wrong in your closing statement. There is nothing, absolutely nothing "good" about Jack Thompson. And to top it off, you got the "man" part wrong, too.
AlphaCentero:

" . . . . maybe sometimes he gets a bit carried away or his tactics are a little bizarre . . . ."

And I won't address this point on the assumption that you threw it in there just for some comic relief.
@GoodRobotUs

I see your point. I don't have much else to say except that I'm not going to spend my time flaming Mr. Thompson because of his actions.

@CK20XX

Did you just quote 1 Corinthians?

--

Other than that, I will be working for whats right, and of course I will do it with love. You'll know when I've started, and I'll only ask for people like you and everyone else to help out.
majestic_12_x Says:
Maybe we should send Jack some flowers and a letter.
I believe someone tried that before. Despite the polite, respectful letter, he assumed they were mocking him.
And for what it's worth, I can forgive Thompson for his attempts to censor video games. I can forgive his arrogance. I can even forgive his outright lies. However, I can't forgive the disrespect he has shown us as people. In particular, his comments about the Kuja incident made me madder than I have ever felt before. That's not something I can forgive so easily.
Appearently he doesn't notice how argueing like a little child through email makes him look bad.

Anyway, thanks for posting, twas kinda tough having to read through all those transcripts looking for those little goodies.
@AlphaCentero:

Go ask Rebecca Ward if she thinks Jack just got a bit carried away or if his tactics are just a little bizarre.
@AlphaCentero

This is my first time commenting on this subject, specifically on Game Politics....

And to be honest Alpha, Jack Thompson does not care what you think. In fact Jack Thompson could care less if you sided with on a more "positive" level. If your not with him, to his dedication, your against him. I know this as I had e-mail correspondence with Mr. Thompson over the course of a several days.

This correspondence took place around Feb 14th to that weekend. As waking up on the 15th and eating in a dorm cafeteria at Northwestern University in Chicago and the first thing I see is his mug on Fox News over the NIU Shooting. Knowing I had friends who attended NIU who I was concerned about.

I immediately felt scorned, not only as a gamer and a human being, but being of faith as well. I watched a man condem someone he didn't even know, without any information ("Judge not, lest ye be judged?"). I wrote him to tell him that I had A. Agreed with his stance on the selling of Mature rated video games to minors (I work for a pretty well know Video Game retail chain) but B. despised the way he went about attcking these games, that are protected by the Constitution (something Mr. Thompson always hides behind...so ironic!)

Every response I got was childish or completely avoided any question I asked him. The man cares nothing of his cause and is a narcissist. He talks of God but acts no where near Christ-Like. It is men like this that give us of faith a bad name. Those of us that are actually out there trying to do some good (see: www.lovelightandmelody.org).

I guess what I'm trying to say is: It is good to see another opinion on the subject but at the same time it is hard to actually get a grasp on who this man is and what he is actually trying to do. But at the same time I'm letting you know up front that Mr. Thompson does not care about your stance on the subject.

Mike
@AlphaCentero:

Personally I do hope that your endeavors meet with success my friend. But I have to agree with many of the others here. Jack may have been doing what he believed was right to start with, but so have many others who have endeavored to enforce their will on others, usually in the name of their god/s.
The Roman Empire (Both B.C.E. and the "Holy" Roman Empire of the dark ages), the crusades, and Hitler all spring to mind.

If he'd actually been trying to open a respectful dialog on the subject, I fully believe we'd all have been much more open to debating the subject. Alas, instead he decided to proclaim all gamers as raving psychopaths just waiting for a reason to pull a trigger or press a button. And like any entity who comes under personal attack, we respond.

Basicly, all I'm saying, and this goes out to the ESRB, as well as anyone who is serious about the subject. We are people, not monsters. If you have an issue with us or what we do, talk to us, respect our side of the story, and we will do the same. If I am mistaken in this, please let me know.
@AdamasDraconis:

I believe you are spot on my friend. Completely agree with that 100%
@AlphaCentero

I'm not trying to attack you here, but I find it hard to accept any point you've tried to make about Jack Thompson.

First, Jack hasn't "opened a door" for parents to learn what games they should and shouldn't buy for their kids, he's planted a fear in anyone who believes him that the gaming industry is trying to turn kids into mass killers. IF you were to take everything he's said on TV and in his book as the truth, then any game that involves any level of violence is the equivalent of a military training exercise to teach recruits how to kill in any situation. He's also lead them to believe that there is a conspiracy between the ESRB, gaming industry, and retailers to sell Mature rated games to anyone who walks up to a counter with one, and that the only solution is for the state, and possibly federal, government to create legislature to prevent that sort of thing from happening. He's a fear monger.

IF Jack were really trying to get parents to be more aware of what they're kids are playing, he could easily tell parents to either follow the ESRB's ratings, or, if they don't trust them, to either play the games themselves or watch the games being played, and make a judgment from there WITHOUT the insults, flaming, lawsuits, personal attacks, arrogance, and hatred that he carries.

Two, Jack is not a "good man", he's an egotistical pig who will insult, defame, and lead personal attacks on anyone who's not on his side 500%. Before Jack went after video games, he went after music and radio personalities. When then Attorney General Janet Reno would not go along with him, Jack made several accusations that she was a lesbian and lead a number of personal attacks against her. He's done the same with anyone who wouldn't follow him on his attacks against the gaming industry. He has insulted several people and made personal attacks against a number of judges, lawyers, several people in state governments, members of the ESRB, and even the head of the National Institute of Media and the Family, all when they didn't follow him. Jack shows no respect towards anyone who questions him and his ideals.

Leeland Yee is a good man who's somewhat misguided, and yes, has taken things too far at times. HE honestly wants to make sure kids don't touch violent videogames, but has ALSO showed respect towards those who have a different opinion than him, and has shown that he's also at least willing to learn.

I've written Jack Thompson several e-mails, trying to at least open a dialogue with him about violent games, how they can affect people in different ways, and how to lead a more positive and direct campaign to educate parents on videogames. I wasn't even trying to change his mind on anything, I just wanted to figure out what his stance really was, and why he had taken such a negative campaign towards it all. I was very respectful and cordial, never confrontational. Mind you, this was after Columbine, but before the more recent shootings that started last year.

His response? Nothing but insults, venomous hatred, and "why don't you tell all of this to the families who are greaving because of some sick kid who learned how to kill because of videogames."

I have no respect for the man, and find it hard to believe that he would ever come to terms with us or anyone else who doesn't already side with him. Joe Walsh from NIMF I respect, Leeland Yee I respect, but I have no good words for Jack Thompson.
@Alpha,

As others have said already, but bears repeating, Jack Thompson has NOT opened a dialogue about violent media. He's tried to create an environment of fear by misrepresenting studies done in this area to try to make parents believe that "OMG! If my child plays this game they'll become a serial killer!" He is nothing but a Snake Oil Salesman, lying through his teeth about made up problems and telling people to turn to him for the cure.

He is also not a good man. He is an abusive crank hiding behind his faulty "science" and the 1st Amendment, while saying that anyone who disagrees with him is violating his 1st Amendment rights or simply slinging insults. He has compared gamers to the Taliban, the Hitler Youth, serial killers and zombies. He has done everything in his power to demonize gamers and game companies. Don't believe he's doing this to try to protect the children. The transcripts above where he's arguing about fee splits tells me he's in this for the money. Why is he trying so hard to get these unconstitutional laws passed? Because with those in place it's easier for him to sue and win millions.

As far as other assertions, that kids are behaving more bizarrely nowadays, while I can say some things have gotten worse, the sexual behavior you're seeing (the dancing) is stuff we were trying to do clumsily back when I was in junior high, and video games and MTV didn't exist back then. Yes, I'm old, so I was wearing an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time.

Societies ills may have some blame on modern media, but it still comes down to parenting when you boil it all down.
Damn I hate it when a mine series ends with a cliff hanger! When is the conclusion!
@AlphaCentero:

I wish you good luck in your endeavors in helping parents understand what it is their children are playing for video games so they can make a much more informed decision. As Black Manta has pointed out, and I agree, you are doing things the right way. Rather than threatening everything video game related, you remain respectful and cordial, and that, in turn, should get much deserved respect in return.

With that said, many of us happen to disagree with your stance on Jack Thompson. I'm glad you actually take the time to think. Rather than just accepting what he says outright, you realize it's better to watch what kids are playing and make sure they're not playing anything they shouldn't. It is unfortunate, however, that many will end up taking Mr. Thompson's words at face value. That is where he is dangerous.

As such, it appears Jack may have started "in it for the children" (he may not have), but as time went on, he's been in it more for himself. Yes, he hasn't earned a dime from the lawsuits directly. He has, however, made several TV appearances (which I'm sure he'd ask a 'fee' for) and has written a self-indulgent book. He really is in it for himself for either publicity or money in the long run.

@everyone:

And I think I've figured it out (again). I think Dog Welder has touched upon the concept: that once laws are in place, he can do lawsuits worth millions. He has fought his battle a long time now, and as such, received a relative pittance to what he really wants to make. Since he's made video games his focus, it's something he's determined to see through until the end to get his millions. This is now a point of desperation for him. Without his license to practice law, I'm sure he feels the millions slipping away from him.

It may have started as ambition for him, but as time wore on, it has become obsession. He should be disbarred since he has lost his way in how to practice law. I hope this also serves as an example to law students and current lawyers to play by the rules.

Again, to AlphaCentero, good luck in your endeavors. I would very much like to see good come out of this. I've seen several TV commercials for the V-Chip. Perhaps more commercials on TV and/or radio about the ESRB ratings should really be in order. Magazine ads in non-gaming magazines would help too.

In short. Awareness: good, extremism: bad.
@Alpha

Jack cannot be reasoned with. Someone here did not too long ago (I'll have to dig up the link tomorrow when I'm less busy). But the person was a Brit who had the age laws that Jack wanted, agreed with a lot that Jack has to say and approached Jack in a mature manner. But once Jack found out the person was a gamer Jack responded in her general childish and immature fashion.

Many have tried to appeal to Jack. (see: Flowers for Jack), and all have failed. You will fail also.
@Erik

Pot calling kettle, come in kettle.
@Buncha Kneejerks


Pretty amusing. But hey, words coming from a person willing to neuter their freedom of speech doesn't really effect me much.
I gotta say, JT is right in that you should have acquired all the transcripts in order to most fairly portray the trial. That's not to say your portrayal was unfair, but it lacked the completeness that the full transcripts would have given it.
I just read the whole series. I think you did portray Jack very fairly. I think the only way you could've been more fair (in terms of the real definition of fair) would be to disclose the entire transcript, but as a journalist it is your job to distill it down contrary to what Jack thinks a journalist should be. He appears of Fox quite a bit so I'm very curious what his definition of journalist is.
I really disliked this guy when i first heard of him but now he's a part of my world and gaming culture at large. As sure as the new EA game plays out exactly as the last and Blizzard release their blockbuster at least a year after their original release date, Jack Thompson will be lurking somewhere filing suits, complaining and working on his masterplan to rid the world of all that is fun.

I would not have it any other way. (I really hope he does not break when he gets disbarred)
@Alpha

It is a pleasure to see someone like you here. However, don't take into account of Jack finding agreement with you, you'll find yourself attacked by his usual mannerisms and wonder why. All it takes is either you not paying him money for something, or you not agreeing with one thing... just one thing; then he'll snap and attack.

When I've first heard of him, it was a report by 1up about 4~6 years ago, and he came across with an interesting viewpoint at the time. I could understand why he didn't want children playing M rated games...
Shortly afterwards (few months), I saw him act crazy and basically hold charity money hostage to children.
I found GamePolitics shortly afterwards from a link by 1up or penny-arcade.
The story was he told developers to make a game with Osama Kim killing game developers or something like that, and he'll donate $10,000 to a child charity.
Someone actually did, and he refused to cough up the funds and considered it the "proposal" a satire. It was a sick joke. Penny Arcade owners actually donated the money in his name and he tried to sue them and shut them down as well.

If someone does something nice for Thompson, or they don't give him money, he'll consider it a threat and you're on his "list" which grows everyday.

The history on the man is full of hate and he fuels it constantly. Don't end up on his email list or you'll have to spam block it.
Yeah. He wouldn't listen. But, as the "How to become a gamer for dummies" says, at the chapter against stupidly stubborn lawyers, page 15, paragraph 1, line 4 just beside the ketchup spot, we must keep our cool with him. That guy must have some qualities like uh...like uh...he breaths well?
@Buncha Kneejerks
Haha, that title “Buncha Kneejerks” would suit you so much if you were Jack Thompson. It’s a pretty apt description of all his theories.
It's a bit difficult reading everyones reply to my previous comments. The only think I can say is I see where you're coming from and I agree with a lot that you've all said.

Somewhere down the line, I probably misinterpret something or got the wrong idea. I guess the only thing I was doing was trying to be positive, although the most he's ever done is negative.
@alpha:

The ability to try to see good in even the most evil of acts is a rare gift, and one that I wish I had. And please, do not take what we say as attacks against you. It is just that we have been targets of such bile for so long that we are a bit....cynical.
What happens if Thompson loses his authority as a lawyer?

Can he reapply as a lawyer in another district or state?

Who would give him that title again?

Does it matter?

Not that the issue at hand isn't of the utmost importance, but we need to think clearly here; Jack Thompson thrives on our attention. While I doubt this to be the last we hear of Mr. Thompson, I can only wonder where we'll go from this point. Mr. Thompson is running out of steam. Not only that, but when a man runs out of steam, he does stupid things.

What more could Jack Thompson do to ruin his already-decaying credibility?

Attack EA.

Mark my words, with the break of talks between EA and Take Two, Mr. Thompson will see this as a prime opportunity to assert what little authority he has in the court to attack EA, a company who recently (and very bluntly) denied his offer to help in the acquisition of Take Two. And when he does, all hell is gonna break loose.

One can only hope that one has his camera handy when the fireworks go off. I sure as hell will.
I came across this site today when researching video game violence on GameInformer.com. With respect to both sides of the argument; that in which parents and retailers should be more responsible to the destribution of M-rated games. I'd also like to post the writing of an APRIL FOOL'S PARODY issue of Game Informer, just last year. In which a politician reviewed a game in parody of the game Cooking Mama, which was named Mother Theresa's Feed The Starving Children, which is written as followed:

Bottom Line: -10
>Concept: Under the guise of learning how to cook and share with the less fortunate, this game teaches children how to kill
>Graphics: Yes! Terribly graphic! More realistic than a movie!
>Sound: To me, this sounds like the collective screams of America's desecrated youth
>Playability: Perfectly intuitive, like a sniper rifle
>Entertainment: Only for those twisted antireligious freaks who sold their black hearts to Satan
>Replay Value: You play this, and you forfeit your soul forever

This not to cause any defamatory remarks to/from anyone (either from Jack Thompson or from well adjusted gamers)
But we need to learn to poke fun at ourselves once in while, otherwise we might declare ourselves completely arrogant.
It was after he started telling people it was law to do what the Police in several countries have been desperately trying to stop people from doing (i.e. posting personal details on the Internet) that I lost all respect for him.

But Adamas is right, we aren't attacking you, we've just had to put up with his grandstanding for a good number of years. If he wants to be a crusader, then fine, good luck to him, but he sure as hell shouldn't be a lawyer in my opinion.
This has been a very educational series Dennis and I think I will share this with my American Government teacher. The farthest that I have heard of him was probably around 2002. I have been reading Gamepolitics for a long time and I got info here to write a report about Hot coffee and censorship. Maybe this will be the end of Thompson's carrier. That I will celebrate. Lets all party when this is over.
@Erik

I think that transcript is linked in part 1.
You should get the Bar's cross examination of JT. He represented himself and my guess is fireworks like no other.

Can we pitch in to get that transcript?
@Buncha Kneejerks

"It’s almost as if there is no reasoning with you."


Reasoning? Oh I must have misunderstood you. Okay, reasoning, pots and kettles... you were trying to discuss cooking with me yes?

Because otherwise what you said wasn't reasoning and rather just a simplistic insult.
Rumpole's back!

Good to see you here. I, and many others would like your input on this as a lawyer in Miami. Few others can comment on whether Jack's arguments have merit in Florida courts, and any we can get will be helpful.

I'm not a lawyer, but even I know that what is relevant in one state can be useless in another, especially at present in regards to the Rieger(sp?) case JT cites from Michigan. So it would be handy to know what is covered by Florida law as Jack addresses it.
Erik:

He's not the only one that feels that way about you after persisting ignoring of facts and comments in the BBFC threads. Banging our collective heads against a brickwall everytime we try to explain anything about the UK Games Ratings is only something we can do so often until we end up with a headache.
Not at all Erik, its just sometimes it seems the best idea is to keep posts to you short. You have this wonderful habit of ignoring posts when they contain evidence that run contrary to your views. Then you get a touch myopic over a single sentence that you quote out of context. I wonder who else I've heard do that.

@FalloutFan

My posting name is a reaction to certain things I have seen in these forums. Thing is, there are kneejerk reactions on both sides of the debate. The 'Oh Noes! Games are killing the Kids!' brigade and the hysteria of some of the gamer community when any critism is levyed at the industry.
@Rumpole:

I'd certainly toss into that hat. Trouble is, if the Bar's cross-examination of Jack is presented without any of Jack's direct examination (which I understand amounts to several days of Jack reading documents (including, no doubt, Chinese food menus) into the record) being presented, then I -- and Jack, too -- would have some "rule of completeness" objections. I'd certainly toss into the hat to get both the cross-examination and direct parts, but I suspect it'll have to be a pretty big hat. But I also suspect there's a big demand. Pass the hat.
@Alpha -- please don't think my reply was an attack on you. It isn't at all. I think everyone at some point came to this site with the hopes of being positive towards video game critics and hopefully try to open a dialogue. With Thompson it has consistently failed because he just doesn't want any discussion that diverts from his beliefs even slightly. And if you're a gamer, in his eyes, you're nothing but a brain dead moron ready to snap and kill as many people as possible.

@Rumpole -- hiya, Rump. While I'd love to see the transcripts of Jack being grilled in the cross exam, I'm not sure it would have enough value to this site. Though I'm not sure if Dennis is still trying to get the whole transcript up or not. If it does go up, I think that will be the first place I turn for reading enjoyment.
@Rumpole

Pass me that dang hat, brother! >8-D
@Dog Welder

Same here. I wanna see Thompson get grilled.

(What the...? Why didn't this show up in my last post?)
What good ol' JBT dosen't seem to realise that he was banned for making threats to posters and threatening legal action against an invisible "enemy". JT, we don't loathe you because you're you, we loathe ou because youre public douche number one. Kthxbai ;)

Anyway, great job bringing us the details of what happened. Lets hope this ends soon.
I cant wait to hear the report on his disbarment. the second I hear of this trial I was over joyed. I just wish things like these would happen to more people like him.
@ AlphaCentero

Read his letter to the friends and family of that kid who committed suicide and tell me JT is a "good man".
I can see the headline now:

"Ex-Attorney Jack Thompson Firebombs Local Gamestop!"

"He was found inside among the flames, clad only in a loincloth made of legal documents, trying to open video game systems in order to gain their knowledge."
JT is not a good man, because even media pundits and his former close friends (in politics) have started to break ties. They have started to see right through his empty agenda. He's uncharismatic (UNCRUZUMATIC!) and tactless, as his previous debates with the court system show. He's got only himself to blame for burning bridges in his career.

Furthermore, he's not spearheading any sort of anti-game movement because he doesn't have much (if any) of a following. He's loud and a self-proclaimed martyr but without a following to back him up, he's nothing. There are many politicians and organizations out for regulating violent media, but I don't really see much of personal connections among them. It's not like we're fighting a huge army, but rather a few small separate forces with their own strategy. They're all more intelligent than JT but fortunately they're not as zealous.
I love how he thinks he has a case against GP around the merits of how you report on his case. I hate to tell him but all journalist writings are subjective its just the nature of the beast that no matter how objective you try to be your own opinion will leak in at some point or another. This does not give him grounds for liable ... frankly trying to claim when your antics in a courtroom gets posted to a news site is a liable situation is just funny if not stupid. I also love how he keeps up the standard of being a gentleman by calling you a twit, ah yes he is my definition of a good Christian (as he so tries to claim he is) self absorbed, self righteous, and infallible. If he is the standard for lawyers than I should have no problem becoming one.
It's strange really... having JT as the primary antagonist...

I imagine it's the same feeling Superman would have if his most diabolical arch-nemisis was a litter of distempered kittens. /shrug
Since when can you be sued for libel for posting transcripts of someone essentially hanging themselves with their own rope?
@Rhade

JT would make the perfect Satan counterpart in the Church of Gaming mentioned in Ctrl-Alt-Del by Tim Buckley.
He probably sees it as "selective observation", which as Jeremy points out, is natural for publication companies editing content. The only time where something is unedited is live news.
If JT says something it is protected because he is Religious and it is his first amendment right. If something is said about JT it is harassment and libel, and part of a vast conspiracy to silence him. Anyone else notice this trend?
A man who routinely slanders and libels people in the name of his cause is accusing a journalism website of libel.....and defending his own actions with his "faith".

Well jack, my faith includes letting the 4th estate print the truth about scumbag zealot lawyers who are too full of themselves to let anyone else have a differing opinion of propriety.

Pop a freaking xanex and enjoy the long slow slide into obscurity. Once you're disbarred no one will give two craps what the hell you do.
@Catch 33 -- It's too bad he broke off ties with his publisher. Just another burned bridge in the apocalypse of Jack's career.
@Buncha kneejerks


"You have this wonderful habit of ignoring posts when they contain evidence that run contrary to your views"


Or maybe you are a might egotistical about your "evidence".
Dennis,

I just want to personally thank you for everything you do for your readers. The series has been a great and revealing read. I can only imagine the pile of text you had to sort through to craft a readable but not overly done and not boring story. Thought we've had great journalists in the past I truly think you're a pioneer for journalism in gaming community. A true blue example. A real asset to me and the many readers of GamePolitics.

I don't know if this happens, but if Bruce ever gets to you please remember there are people out there that fully support you. You're doing the right thing. I can't express it enough Dennis, thank you.
Erik:

There's nothing egotistical in presenting irrefutable facts.
@Chuma


There is if your fact is rather opinion. And if you expect that every time you open your mouth I'll fall all over you and shed every opinion I have in favor of yours, yeah thats a little egotistical.
Erik:

You obviously have a problem with the distinction between fact and opinion. You have been told how the UK system of government works and chosen to ignore it in favour of your misguided opinion. That is YOU decided to choose opinion over fact.

Furthermore, if you DON'T change your opinions when you are presented with fresh evidence and fact, then you are deceiving yourself and others that you spout your lies to. In that way, you are no better than the supposed government forces that you oppose.
@Chuma

"You have been told how the UK system of government works and chosen to ignore it in favour of your misguided opinion. That is YOU decided to choose opinion over fact."


I understand that the UK government "says" that the BBFC isn't a governmental entity, despite the sweeping power its been granted. I also understand that the US government says the Patriot act isn't illegal, I'm not buying that one either.
@Erik

What when a UK legal academic comes on the board and pretty much disagrees with you and explains the situation? Funny how you didn't reply to those posts.
Hm? Well if there is a post I missed I'd be happy to reply to it. Being a legal academic doesn't impress me much, rather at all.
Erik:

That would be a false paradigm. You are choosing to apply your own politics to ours, which doesn't work. You also don't seem to understand what independant means in the context of government. What you need to try and realise is that it means they are not influenced by, not funded by and nor governed by them. Yes their ratings are enforced by law, but that doesnt mean they are a government entity.

Colonel Finn tried in vain to explain this but I will try once more. The government pass laws, which in turn are passed to the House of Lords who can insist upon changes and such. Any laws in conflict with statues or human rights can be struck down, much with the State laws in the US, so there is some scope for holding the reigns of the government in place.

The law in question, enforcing the BBFC ratings has been in place for over 90 years with much success. It works because the BBFC rate movies, games and dvds and these ratings are enforced by law. There is a system of appeals in place with the VAC and courts should this be required (as was called into use with Manhunt2).

Manhunt 2 was refused classification so lets deal with what happens at this point. You are not allowed to sell the game in this country, but you can bring it back from another country for personal use only. If someone attempts to sell the game, then it is the police who have to enforce the law, and ultimately the courts. The BBFC is not involved in enforcing the law at any stage.

Now, if your opinion clashes with anything I have said here, I suggest you do some research. Part of me is thinking you will once again fail to read this and pick out one sentence and reply to it, but maybe, just maybe, you might read it and look up UK systems of law somewhere and accept it as fact.

As I have said to Nightwing before now, no government is to be trusted implicitly, but that doesn't mean you should see corruption at every turn.
"What you need to try and realise is that it means they are not influenced by, not funded by and nor governed by them. Yes their ratings are enforced by law, but that doesnt mean they are a government entity."


Sorry. They have too much power NOT to be a government entity. I never stated that they were influenced, funded or governed by the government though now did I? Although autonomous they wield much much too much power just to be some corporation, thus they are government.

"Manhunt 2 was refused classification so lets deal with what happens at this point. You are not allowed to sell the game in this country, but you can bring it back from another country for personal use only. If someone attempts to sell the game, then it is the police who have to enforce the law, and ultimately the courts. The BBFC is not involved in enforcing the law at any stage."

I never said the BBFC enforces it now did I? Senators in the US pass laws, but they aren't on the street like Batman enforcing the law now are they?
"And once again I say I am wasting my breath on you. You clearly don’t understand what a government entity is and refuse to budge on it despite pleas for you to do some research if you don’t believe me."


Good. Your attempts were growing tedious. And as for research, you mean like when someone tried to link me to the BBFC website itself where it states its an independent body? Yeah, because no one ever lies.
@Erik,

Power DOES NOT equal government. For example, the NRA (National Rifle Association) is a very powerful group with a lot of influence, but in no way are they government.
@Voynix

The NRA doesn't have any regulatory power.
Yup, it was me that sent that link. Seriously mate this reminds me of David Irving. The bloke's primary argument was that the Germans has a renowned level of efficiency he doesn't believe the holocaust happened because so many Jews survived it. The parallels end there tho.
@Buncha Kneejerks

So your proof that the BBFC is a random company is their word? Color me not impressed.
Oh gee, and here was me thinking you were hanging on my every word. :)

Your are in no position to talk about proof. Everything you say is hyperbole. You have offered nothing, absolutely nothing to back up your claims. You just run on your gut feeling and ignore everything else.
@ Erik

NRA was the first thing I thought of, not a great example of what I meant. Let me try to rephrase it: is the bbfc funded by the government? If not, then it is not government.
"NRA was the first thing I thought of, not a great example of what I meant. Let me try to rephrase it: is the bbfc funded by the government? If not, then it is not government."


Does it have regulatory power? Then it is part of the government.

But like I have said before. If on the chance that the BBFC isn't a governmental body then that is a much much much worse and downright frightening idea.
Sorry if I get this wrong, I'm American. The way I see it, the BBFC makes recomendations and the government mandates that they are followed. It has power only because the government enforces what it says, not because the BBFC is government.
"The way I see it, the BBFC makes recomendations and the government mandates that they are followed."


Again, either its part of the government or a frightening company with too much power.
@ Erik

I think the latter is more likely (company)
Ah Erik, playing the fear card now. Frightening companies that want nothing more than to corrupt our nations youth. Wait what? Sorry, wrong person, right rhetoric. I mean they want nothing more than to stomp the jackboot on free speech.
@BK

Heh!

@Erik

You seem a bit paranoid toward regulatory entities. Any reasons?
He's a nutter.
"I think the latter is more likely (company)"


So we go with utter frightening then, gotcha.


"You seem a bit paranoid toward regulatory entities. Any reasons?"


You seem rather trusting of regulatory entities. Any reasons?
@Erik

I don't care what the BBFC does, I'm American. If I was British, I wouldn't trust them, but I'm not.
Ah there you go again Eric, deliberatly twisting things to justify your viewpoint. Now all you need to do is threaten to sue someone who disagrees with you and claim consipiracy and your transformation to the dark side will be complete.
"You seem a bit paranoid toward regulatory entities. Any reasons?"


Twisting things how? All I did is ask how a person could be trustful of a regulatory body.

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JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:07am
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:05am
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:03am
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:56am
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:45am
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
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