
Stephen King, best-selling author of scary novels, has taken a swipe at video game legislation currently under consideration in Massachusetts.
In a guest column for
Entertainment Weekly, King writes:
I'm no fan of videogames... But when I heard about HB 1423... I still hit the roof. HB 1423 would restrict or outright ban the sale of violent videogames to anyone under the age of 18. Which means, by the way, that a 17-year-old who can get in to see Hostel: Part II would be forbidden by law from buying... Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.
According to the proposed bill, violent videogames are pornographic and have no redeeming social merit... Now, what does and doesn't have social merit is always an interesting question... But what makes me crazy is when politicians take it upon themselves to play surrogate parents. The results of that are usually disastrous. Not to mention undemocratic...
King notes that video games have a rating system in place and adds:
The most effective bar against what was called ''the seduction of the innocent'' when this hot-button issue centered on violent comic books 60 years ago is still parents...
Could Massachusetts legislators find better ways to watch out for the kiddies? Man, I sure hope so, because there's a lot more to America's culture of violence than Resident Evil 4.
What really makes me insane is how eager politicians are to use the pop culture... as a whipping boy... it allows legislators to ignore... the ever-deepening divide between the haves and have-nots... [also, there is] America's almost pathological love of guns...
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Also Steven King has used violence in many of his books but he himself is an ok guy.
So yeah, even though he never had played Videogames before, I still respect him and feel that his comments are really good, the best comments coming from a non gamer.
though not exactly a game, he wrote the story for a digital novel with a couple of minigames in it. can't remember the name though...
And so Stephen King is today's BEST PERSON IN THE WORLD!!
I agree 100%. But as soon as i even try n debate the issue i get a mound of flame and abuse and merely followed by the same old tired arguments.
About time someone prolific over the age of 55 told the truth.
I can't help but wonder if he is like so many of the older people I know that claim to not like video games, but then you see them playing some crap like bejeweled on the PC for hours on end.
Anyway, serious respect for the King, and I hope he keeps churning out books because I NEED them.
Says it all really.
I hope someone of importance reads these remarks and takes them into account, because it is very undemocratic, and the government need not play parent to people who should technically be allowed to play the game anyway.
Back off politicians!
"it allows legislators to ignore… the ever-deepening divide between the haves and have-nots… [also, there is] America’s almost pathological love of guns…"
12 year old shoots a 15 year old.. Blame a mythological based game! Oh, by the way, why did the 12 year old have a loaded gun? Oh, his gun-happy father left it out and brought him to shoot it at a gun range? How about we save guns for when Aliens, or Zombies rise up or when someone is attacking your loved ones, or home and for the love of god, lock and key, people!
Comin' here to save the motherfucking day, yeah!
Stephen King (Fuck Yeah)
No legislation is the only way, yeah!
Politicians your game is through,
cuz now you have to answer to...!
Stephen King (Fuck Yeah)
I hope so.
The people behind this law will be effectively forced to expand the legislation to more and more media when the first ban neither solves the existing problems or protects The Children.
Eh, Anyway... It's really nice to have an older, non-gamer actually defending games. Hell, his intelligence level is over nine-thousand.
@ Al Wesker
That's due to the fact that these meatheads never pay attention to the story. All they need to see is a little blood, gore, or a freakin' boob and the game is like something spawned from satan.
Ah, the voice of reason. Sure would be nice if those politicians and so-called "lawyers" would listen to it once in a while.
Thanks for the words Mr. King. They are always welcome. :)
Comic books, rock 'n roll, horror movies, heavy metal, Garbage Pail Kids cards and about 1000 other things have taken the brunt of this type of bulls**t controversy over the years. Today it's video games, in 5 years time, who knows what will take the blame. But, the underlying problems with society remain undiscussed because there are groups of parents who don't want to do the parenting of their own kids.
I fear that the type of parent who respects King's work isn't going to be the type who fell for this crap in the first place but lets hope King's sage words manage to convince some people of what we've been saying here all along.
Basket of muffins?
There are Stephen King videogames out there... kinda. He produced a CD-ROM puzzle thing called Stephen King's F13. There were also adventure games back in the day based on The Mist, The Dark Halfand probably a few others (check abandonware sites for most of these).
Yeah, it would kick ass to have a decent King game but considering Clive Barker's videogame efforts have been merely OK (not great but entertaining), I wouldn't get my hopes up if does decide to do one.
King wasn't the first and he won't be the last... theres more of them out there then you'd think. :3
I completely agree here. Mr. King was so close here and then he wheels out the "if this really psychotic person had a ____" fairy tale. I know he's one of the nations most celebrated authors of Fiction, but I was hoping this story wasn't going into the realm of fantasy.
So to highlight the stupidity of the situation, under the proposed legislation it would be legal for a kid to go out and buy King's books or the movies based on them, but if some game company made M rated games out of them, it would be illegal to sell them to a kid. Does that make sense?
Also, bravo for King
@Rellik San
Actually there's been 3 major discworld games, you might have missed Discworld Noir which would be a shame since its the really GOOD one.
Honestly, I didn't even think he'd be this connected to the current popular culture scene, and it's nice to see that even if he doesn't 'get' gaming, he still appreciates it for what it is. Like art. I may not 'get' some pieces, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate art or the effort it took to create it.
Once again, he honestly shows how sharp his wit is and expresses himself so very well. I'd love to take one of his writing classes some day. That'd be amazing.
I came to USA from a country where we long ago banned guns, this was done just before Stalin killed some people, and today every criminal has every gun imaginable and the law abiding don't...
While I have never owned a gun I see them as part of that whole freedom package and not as part of some horrible problem... also statistics show that crime is less when guns are legal to own and more after they are banned...
I'm not sure that the stats agree with your "statistics show that crime is less when guns are legal to own and more after they are banned…" comment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder#Demographics
There is a higher rate of murder per 100,000 people in the USA than in almost all of western Europe, except for Switzerland which has the most relaxed gunlaws and a higher gun related murder rate.
But as the wiki link says the stats can be skewed both ways depending on the point of view of the person. I personally think that you can never have enough gun control. Living in the UK and seeing the response after the Dunblane shooting where the police had an amnesty on handguns and the laws were tightened in relation to their ownership and there hasn't been a repeat of it since as far as i know. But in the US there has been numerous school shootings in the last 10 years.
Obviously there are large cultural differences between the UK and the US but I think the reaction to the school shooting in Dunblane is what SHOULD happen anytime something like this happens. Like King says in his article, if Cho couldn't have gotten guns as easily as he did would the Virginia Tech massacre have happened?
I was gonna go "Data plz" but you beat me to it.
For guns, I recommend the swiss way. At home. Locked in a safe.
While that's all correct, I do believe they're referring to what would happen if the US were to introduce a gun ban.
There are so many weapons readily available in the states it's not even funny. From legit gun shops to shady backhouse deals to criminals and even the black market..
A gun ban would really just remove the firearms from those least inclined to use them. And what would the states get?
A big, sharp incline in gun violence, followed by a VERY slow drop towards lower levels (20-50 years minimum ?).
I agree that a total ban on guns would never be practical, even in the UK Guns aren't banned but there are very tight laws on who can have them and how they can keep them, and while gun crime isn't non-existant by any means in the UK it doesn't seem to be as prevelant as it would appear to be in America. Why can't similar strict gun laws work in the US?
I personally find gun ownership for use as self defence a slightly odd excuse for owning a gun. If you are worried about being attacked in your home then you can make your house more secure, if you're worried about being attacked on the street there are numerous non lethal but effective ways of protecting yourself.
Here in the US we have...what's it called?...ah yes the Constitution! Im sure the UK's strict laws in regards to free speech would not fly here as well.
Since when?
The main point being is that Americans take the bill of rights very seroiusly (oh no what have I done, here it comes...) for example I'll be damned if I ever quarter any soliders.
I agree with Matriculated on not being aware of any particularly strict free speech laws in the UK, but that doesn't change the fact that if more strictly regulating the distribution and sales of guns reduced gun crime, then surely thats the right thing to do?
Also one thing i never quite got is quite how the gun lobby in America has the viewpoint "you can't tighten gun laws! It's in the Constitution!". Well it's in the 2nd AMENDMENT to the Constitution, and if the Constitution could be amended to allow the right to bear arms then it can be amended to not include it. The Constitution is Law, and laws can and do and SHOULD change if it helps protect people, like in the UK after Dunblane, handgun laws got tightened.
I think you are missing the point in regards to the constitutional aspects involved, the 2nd amendment is not a just another amendment it is part of the Bill of Rights and that is huge in American culture, for example there are several groups dedicated to the first amendment and thats fine, when it comes to the Bill of Rights no matter what the issue it will always be an up hill fight.
Then, I saw a couple of his movies and read a few of his books. Now I think he's one of the greatest novelist this country has ever seen. Now I'm seeing that open mindedness shown back toward gamers. Way to go, Steve.
Secondly, which differences in libel laws are you referring to? I mean, I take it you're aware that the US is a more litigious society than the UK? I'm not making a value judgement, I'm just saying, s'all...
Yet again, I've a feeling this topic is about to devolve into "my country has a bigger dick than your country" territory.
I do not want an international pissing contest anymore than you, I'm just responding to allegations that were levied. Also the US is a far more litigious society that is not in dispute.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/commentary.aspx?id=17223
One link to get the ball rolling.
As for the topic it is a shame that King had to interject these off topic comments that have lead the conversation so astray. But still his overall points on the issue are solid.
Many thanks for that, much obliged! You can be sure I'll read that over my dinner. Oohy goody - fresh knowledge!
To be fair, I mainly took umbrage with the freedom of press bit. The bulk of the British media (thinks the BBC and Channel 4) are pretty much the sole reliable voices of reason in the this maddening island, which is why I tend to get on the defensive about them. Thank heavens for them, basically, otherwise there would be nobody to stop the likes of Nanny State Labour and the reactionary newspapers. Millions rejoice every time Jeremy Paxman gives some politician a bloody nose on national telly.
My friend i see where you are coming from and I meant in no way to impugn the BBC or any other outlet, on the contrary the article I posted (and subsequently based my comment on) was that journalists could get into major trouble for libel as the burden of truth is on them to prove their innocence. It is in that respect that the freedom of press is curtailed.
Besides who watches TV news with the internet nowadays any way?Why i was just reading that Stephen King of all people was attacking gaming legislation.
I was referring to stats within the US not compared to the rest of the world...
As for school shootings, they actually ALL happened on GUN FREE zones... that means guns weren't allowed there... there has never been a single shooting in any school where guns where allowed....(there are a bunch...)
Personally I am not against gun control, I am against gun bans... and against gun free zones... while a complete gun ban on all guns maybe a solution I am afraid I would die of old age(and so would all newborn babies...) before this could be achieved in US and so it is a dumb idea...
Oh by the way, if guns had been banned in the state where Cho lived, he would still have been able to get them just as easily as he did... My point is that nutcase criminals will get guns, but let the law abiding people have them to defend themselves...
also like I said, I am from Russia, please look at how well full gun control has worked out there....
and as for UK you guys banned guns, yet crime still happens, you guys banned knives yet crime still happens so now you are putting cctv cameras EVERYWHERE so that big brother could always watch... hmmm I think sticking with personal protection maybe a tad better...
Reminds me of the saying, "If you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns."
King spins a great yarn. I haven't read his works, but he knows his stuff. And as other people have pointed out, with no personal ties to video games, he's able to give an objective and informed opinion.
It's nice to see he keeps an open mind on issues, even when they don't affect him personally.
I find it sad though, that he's the exception rather than the rule.
The outlaws and the government... the second to me seems a lot more scary...
This is exactly what is going on in Russia right now, EVERY criminal has any and all sorts of weapons imaginable...and so does the government...and as for the lawful citizens? well they learn how to duck and cover... and pray to god that the government doesn't repeat some things...
That is just one of the reasons why I agree with this radical NRA supporter:
"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
~Thomas Jefferson
To be fair, that was written before the Government had tanks and choppers, so I'm not sure if it 100% applies nowadays.
However, he does make sense here (some of his best work in fact :P). I think a lot more authors should start taking the stand for this. First, they will attack the video game legislation, then they will turn around and attack either books, or film or both, siting their immersive nature ("I felt as if I was there!"). Soon, you would be carded to buy a book. You think that is a major leap? All they need is their foot in the door, a single media type which they can legally censor. I'm not talking pornography here, as that is less a type, adn more of a subject or genre. They've done it with comic books, and thankfully it was undone.
Steven King's new book: "Grand Theft Terror: A book about a game one kid played". Watch the right wing scream in horror.
No one ever said that Cho bought the guns on the school property, he probably bought them legally and then went and shot 30 people. But that doesn't change the fact that he probably shouldn't have been able to buy them legally since he was clearly unhinged.
If making it harder to buy guns legally would have stopped him then I think that people who want to legally obtain guns for reasonable means making them wait longer or jump through a few more hoops to potentially make sure that they won't do something like Cho did, is a reasonable price to pay.
I know that a gun ban would never work in the US but I don't understand why tighter regulation is opposed? Make it harder for guns to be legally obtained, meaning less guns are around to be misused and put on the black market where criminals can get their hands on them.
Granted that is a VERY idealistic viewpoint that would have great difficulty working in practice but that still doesn't mean it shouldn't be aimed for. Just shrugging and letting things like Virginia Tech happen without trying to examine how he managed to obtain those guns, and stop people like him trying to get them again solves nothing.
If the parents are so concerned about a video game hurting their kids, then why do they leave an unsecured, assembled and loaded GUN within easy access.
My dad was an avid hunter, so I'm acquainted with guns, though I'm no expert. My dad kept his gun in a locked case, and the ammunition someplace else. The only time that case was unlocked was when he was retrieving or replacing his gun.
Not only that, both my parents taught me *thoroughly* that I wasn't to touch the gun, ever.
Why can't other parents seem to manage this?
I mean, its one of those things that SHOULD be correct, but you'll notice that most people his age that are against video games don't know GTA:III from GTA: San Andreas. Nor Resident Evil 4.
The guy may not game, but you can tell that before the interview he did at least a teeny bit of homework to make sure he got the names of the games down right.
What sad is most others don't even go through that teeny bit of research. Which hinders their credibility.
More people in media need to speak out as he has. With intelligence.
If writing about the inner thoughts of psychopaths and describing brutal scenes of carnage with intricate detail hasn't turned the man into some kind of living monster after all these years, why should waving a wiimote around to decapitate zombies be any different?
I'd like to hear what Micheal Crighton thinks about the issue as well, now that I think about it.
Why do we always have to blame everything but the person that pulled the trigger?
The sickest part in all of this is that some people actually believe that free speech is more necessary to basic human rights than gun ownership.
I am indifferent to the fact that King is not a gamer, but when I read that he disliked the MA video game law, my respect for him rose rather far up.
I also agree with this one:
"The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state-controlled police and military are the weapons of dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon of democracy. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military. The hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws."
-- Edward Abbey, Author
"The Right to Arms [New York]", 1979
"That doesn’t change the fact that he probably shouldn’t have been able to buy them legally since he was clearly unhinged."
@Gavin
Because of privacy laws it was impossible to find out, perhaps privacy laws should be changed so the government could know about what dreams you have at night and how your dad or uncle molested you but since the government tends to sell info it collects to corporations and doesn't always use the info it keeps the best way, this may not be a good solution...
@Gavin
"If making it harder to buy guns legally would have stopped him then I think that people who want to legally obtain guns for reasonable means making them wait longer or jump through a few more hoops to potentially make sure that they won’t do something like Cho did, is a reasonable price to pay."
@Gavin
Before Virginia Tech I would have agreed 100% with you... but since then I have looked through the studies of the 20,000 gun control laws in this country, not a single one has managed to lower crime rates... and everywhere a ban was paced like in Washington dc, the crime rate rose drastically...
While I still agree in principal to gun control laws I now think that more gun controls won't help anyone... especially since most criminals seem to buy their guns illegally... and even though Cho got his guns legally, he actually did pass the background checks that gun control people want in place...
@Gavin
"I know that a gun ban would never work in the US but I don’t understand why tighter regulation is opposed? Make it harder for guns to be legally obtained, meaning less guns are around to be misused and put on the black market where criminals can get their hands on them."
@Gavin
80,000,000-100,000,000 Americans own guns and there is a huge amount on the black market... making it harder to obtain guns would clean up the black market in about 50 years... and with new manufacturing technologies coming out, 50 is probably wishful thinking...
In the mean time criminals will have a much easier time committing crime...
I suggest you watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ
it is more interesting at the end...
@Gavin
"Granted that is a VERY idealistic viewpoint that would have great difficulty working in practice but that still doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be aimed for. Just shrugging and letting things like Virginia Tech happen without trying to examine how he managed to obtain those guns, and stop people like him trying to get them again solves nothing."
@Gavin
I prefer realistic viewpoint based on the evidence, and if presented with evidence to the contrary i will gladly change my point of view because I prefer feeling safe and having more guns doesn't make me feel safe even though apparently it does make me more safe...
That is why guns should be allowed on campuses for those that manage to go through the much more intense restrictions on concealed carry permits... then when some crazy comes along to kill some people they will get shot before they kill a lot of people...
There has never been any problems with guns in any school that allows them and some ordinary citizens have stopped school shootings themselves with their guns long before the police arrived...
Oh by the way, the police is not legally obligated to protect you here in US, if you ask them to save your life they don't even have to respond...
Almost all the times when people sued them for not protecting them(or even trying) after those people called the police for help, have ended up with police being found not guilty of any wrong doing and all the ones the succeeded where settled out of court...so they don't count as far as the law is concerned...
"I only read one story written by King. That was the play “Sorry, Right Number” if the author line saying “by Stephen King” wasn’t lying. I also saw the movie version of “The Shining” which was good IMO.
I am indifferent to the fact that King is not a gamer, but when I read that he disliked the MA video game law, my respect for him rose rather far up."
EDIT: The term is "rose considerably." Heh heh... My bad.
Anyone know how to contact Mr. King so that we may show him how much we respect him for what he has said about the Massachusetts Video Game Law? I would greatly appreciate it if someone did.