April 5, 2008 -
Boston news radio station WBZ-1030 has a disturbing interview with Mayor Thomas Menino (left) conducted by on-air personality Laurie Kirby (GP: I can't refer to her as a "reporter" based on the softballs she's tossing to Menino here).The interview took place on March 17th on the eve of the Massachusetts Legislature's consideration of HB1423. The measure, a video game bill based on the Jack Thompson-authored Louisiana legislation which failed so miserably in federal court in 2006 (see: Judge Trashes Louisiana Government Over Failed Jack Thompson Law, Orders State to Pay Legal Fees), would seek to classify violent video games as "harmful to minors" in the same legal sense as pornography.
Here's the text of the interview (as transcribed by GP). Note that Menino speaks of the proposed law as a "ban" throughout the interview and, amazingly, expresses a desire to enforce a lifestyle change on game players.
He also seems to be bothered by the image of kids playing handheld systems, as he references it at several different points in the interview:
Mayor Menino: ...these video games and violence. And uh, ya know, kids - they play with them, they see them on TV all the times. You know, we gotta take some measures to restrict access to this violence. And everybody's well, the First Amendment, uh, you can't do it because this.
We always can't do something. My measure, let's do something to restrict young people from glorify- from being glorified with this violence. As I look at this, I watch little kids out there with these little video games. There's shootings, there's killings and all that. We've got to do something. Everybody says we can't. I'm saying we can and let's start now. Because there's too much violence on the streets of America, presently, to uh, that is happening.
And so, as Mayor, I just want to put something out there, and let's have a discussion about this. Everybody has a responsibility. I'm taking some of that responsibility, I know it's controversial. But you gotta do something about banning the violence that young people are accustomed to today. And it's a tough battle because they say, it's a First Amendment. But we also have... rights in America to have a safe neighborhoods, safe streets, and safe world. And that's what my discussion will be about - is about safety in our homes, safety in our streets, safety in our worlds.
Announcer: Well it's interesting, because they are bringing up the First Amendment issue here, but what about pornography? I mean there are some - obviously, minors can't buy pornography, so it's not as if there aren't some restrictions already in place.
Menino: That's right. They put pornography in the back of a room or someplace. Kids can't buy it readily. But you can buy those video games right off the counter without showing any identification at all. And that's part of our efforts is to try to restrict the access to these video games.
Announcer: So... what are you going to do, exactly here, and what woud the language be? You would ask for all Boston stores...?
Menino: Well I have a piece of legislation that will be heard up in the legislature tomorrow. My staff will be testifying on the ban and asking the legislature to put restrictions on the availability of these games and other activities that may enhance a young person's ability to see these, uh, this violence and put it in their hands with the little video games they have there's violence always happening. And it has to be restricted. I mean it's just another way of saying, hey, we all have a responsibility and the video game industry also has a responsibility.
Announcer: Okay, so you would ban the outright sale of any kind of violent video game to what - anybody under the age of 17, or what?
Menino: 18. I'd restrict the sale of video games to anyone under the age of 18.
Announcer: So the store could still sell them, you're just trying to protect the kids.
Menino: That's right. I mean, you start early on. Kids start at 5, 6, 7 years old watching those video games. They think it's a way of life and I'm trying to make them understand there's a different way of life (emphasis GP's) and, uh, as you go about your daily chores, you'll see these kids with the video games in their hands. They'll see it on the TV, see it everyplace you go, there's violence that's out there. If you watched one of our major sporting events last year, every video that was on there, every advertisement had violence in it. Our life is full of violence.
Announcer: You're absolutely right. Now what would the penalty be for a store that didn't card a kid and sold a kid a game?
Menino: We haven't determined what the violence would be, I mean the penalty would be, but we're looking at some serious, serious restriction on the sale of these video games.
Original WBZ audio here: (you'll need to scroll down a bit for the March 17th interview).



Comments
I see Menino's taken some lessons from the ironic punishment division.
Mayor Menino usually tries to look for the quick fix. It's nothing new. I don't expect the legislation to stick.
As for how he speaks: he sounds like one of the people. Really. Especially around the area. I've known quite a few with similar speaking mannerisms along with the unmistakable Bostonian accent. That's how he got voted, and that's how he'll continue to get votes... until gang violence runs him out of town... or kills him.
I'm still a normal human being, and I don't come off as a crackpot who's trying to do fatalities on people while doing a daily school shooting for the kicks.
my entire point boils down to:
1) I'm glad I'm canadian
and 2) I pity you US citizens. because someday a religious crackpot will start banning fun in your country...
The only violent handheld game I can think of is Brothers in Arms(DS). It's rated T, making it one of the most violent games on the system.
I said I'll never understand "Americans" for the reasons I stated. I did not mention Menino in specific at all.
And besides, getting rid of guns would be a good thing. Obviously that does not relate to games. Stupid people with stupid ideas can still have some good ones.
The unfortunate truth is that MANY Americans, politicians in particular, are blaming games for violence rather than the fact that guns are EVERYWHERE.
Hell, look a day back at the "God of War blamed for Shooting" story. That says it all really.
Never mind how the 13 year old got a loaded gun and fired it, nevermind that because he was playing God of War. Clearly that's the issue. Not the loaded gun he fired or anything.
@Nordic
Yeah, I'm Canadian too. This absolutely boggles my mind.
And a video game encoded onto an inanimate disc threatens your safety how?
Just remember, its not the guns, prositutes, drugs and gangs....its the video games.
Get this man some index cards with talking points on em, he's drowning.
@Pinworm
The only person blaming God of War for the shooting is Thompson, who as this site's vistors know, will try to turn everything into a lawsuit. Look, as someone who lives in a violent city, I can safely say what's the blame for the shootings aren't legal guns, but those available on the blackmarket (which will still be open even after a nationwide ban).
Grats on your epic fail!!
"I don’t understand Americans. They have a ridiculous ammount of guns floating around their country, so they decide to blame Video Games for causing violence.
What the fuck. Just what the fuck. "
I was thinking... no WAY can someone out-fail this mayor in such short order.. but wow..
If you are truly implying that guns cause violence, you're even more mistaken than Memino or JT could ever even hope to be.
And the media strike again. I love the high standard of impartiality in the way the media reports these issues(/sarcasm)
What ever happened to journalistic responsibility? What happened to facts?
What happened to politicians being challenged to insure they are acting in the best interest of society and not just jumping on a band waggon?
Hatred has replaced religion as the opiate of the masses. Hatred and fear of things they don't understand and don't WANT to understand.
Just as a side point. children playing handhelds? Violence everywhere because of them? erm the VAST majority of games on handheld systems is not violent. I'm struggling to think of a single title.
Balance is restored my yankee amigos.
GP: if you listen to the audio, he is surprisingly inarticulate for a major city mayor...
Announcer: So the store could still sell them, you’re just trying to protect the kids.
Menino: That’s right. I mean, you start early on. Kids start at 5, 6, 7 years old watching those video games. They think it’s a way of life and I’m trying to make them understand there’s a different way of life (emphasis GP’s) and, uh, as you go about your daily chores, you’ll see these kids with the video games in their hands. They’ll see it on the TV, see it everyplace you go, there’s violence that’s out there. If you watched one of our major sporting events last year, every video that was on there, every advertisement had violence in it. Our life is full of violence.
Announcer: You’re absolutely right. Now what would the penalty be for a store that didn’t card a kid and sold a kid a game?"
How much do you think he was paying to get buddied like that?
Menino: 18. I’d restrict the sale of video games to anyone under the age of 18.
Ok so the way Menino just worded that statement is that you have to be 18 to buy any video game. That must mean that all video games are violent or harmful to children. I mean look at Wii sports. Kids will play the bowling game and maybe by the motion and action of the controller they will learn how to kill someone with the bowling ball. Maybe someday some kids are playing the baseball game and then picks up a real baseball bat and kills some one. Video games are the cause they will say. Wow the criminal acts of the game industry. And of course we all know that ever game out there has pornography in it. I mean I remember playing some Mario galaxy and in it Mario and the Princess peach have sex. Very detailed graphics that showed everything.
But seriously if we ban kids from buying or playing these games will it really prevent violence in the future. What about the kids that are victims of idiot parents. And the children who are victims of physical, sexual or mental abuse by there parents or other adults. We live in a world that is so full of violence and hate. But we all know the sole cause for all the violence and hate in the world is these kids playing video games. Cut out the video games and the world is saved.
I love how elected officials' method of opening a discussion is to propose legislation that overreaches their authority. Then they invite video game advocates to come explain why they shouldn't be flayed and lynched for opposing a ban that the lawmakers know would certainly end all teen violence, because their ad nauseum syllogism of, "teens play games with violent content; teens occasionally do violence; separating teens from games will cure violence", can't possibly be flawed.
Watch the news segment covering this that's above the audio segment. The reporter seems to be fawning, and I don't have to stretch my imagination too far to see her calling this, "the mayor's noble struggle".
I see what you mean about his ability to communicate, seems to me he thinks banning Video Games is 'good' and Violence is 'Bad' and doesn't really seem to understand much more of the issue beyond that point, he uses the words 'Violent', 'Teen' and 'Video Games' without really making any attempt to link the two... 'Teens are Violent, Teens play Video Games, ergo, Video Games cause Teen Violence....'
Speaking of legislation though, are these politicos really that wrapped up in their self-serving image that they can't realize they're trampling on the First Amendment? You'd think after so many failed attempts across the country, that the sponsor (not the State, City, etc.) should have to pay for the failed bill (attorney's fees and all). That's the only way to get these ambulance chasers to stop. Hit them (not the taxpayers) in the wallet.
Oh well, can't wait to see this go down in flames like his attempt to have the police seize all 'Stop Snitchin'" shirts.
Why Politicians think that are going somewhere with this bandwagon. I think it hurts there reputation since there are enforcing something that is struck down as unconstitutional.
Not surprised; this IS the same guy who got the head of Cartoon Network ousted because his police force thought a Lite-Brite was a bomb.
Wow. So we will be having street judgments going on in Boston. ;)
He sure is difficult to follow. I wonder if the interviewer understood any of that.
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Random Tower
It´s the most likely scenario... hope she gets herpes :lol
Third, and perhaps most disturbing is the fact? that the -ehm- reporter? does not seem to know that any major retail chain in the US will card a child if he or she wishes to buy a Mature rated game. That i is just very bad research...on so many levels...
I could understand it if the Mayor wanted to make it illegal for stores to sell Mature rated games to people under 17 and younger. Instead he wants to make a city law? or ordinance? that makes it illegal to buy every videogame out there if you're 18 years or older. I find this a bit harsh especially since games for the Nintendo DS really isn't (that) violent at all.
Most games for the Nintendo DS are educational, fun and challenging; of course there's a Zelda game as well as there ate Spyro games for the PS2.
I liked how Stephen King pointed out the illogical things about a 17 year old being able to see a much more violencet movie like Postal or Hostel than any videogame outthere. In fact, he might also be worried that one day his books or any books might the same treatment - or why not just forbid books all together since they teach people how to think for themselves. Oh wait - Ray Bradbury wrote a book about this --- at what temperature do DVDs burn, do you think??
Not saying that we will end up there, but we might, if we're not very being carefull and cacautious...about the state, both federal and local, meddling in what the parents decide is OK for their children to watch, see, play - or yes, read...
Ok, say this goes through in any state in the US. Now when the violence continues, exactly what are they going to blame then? I still can't believe people are so gullible to actually fall for this. No one to this day has explained how we had just as much violence before the arrival of video games as we do now.
RJ
Manino truly didn't put ANY effort into what he said. 'Yeh, thur bad. Everybody's playin' 'em gotta stop. I'm cool. Vote fer me, fer tha kids.' That was pretty much the gist of what he said.
Seriously, he put more effort into his Red Sox spots than this.
Jesus talk about a Freudian slip. hes got violence on the brain!
What the fuck. Just what the fuck.
I'm Canadian, and I have to agree with you.
*shakes head in disgust*
Not biased at all... :/
Does it start with an R and end with a good firm brainwashing?
Fangamer
@GP How long until we hear about this bill's miserable failure?
And on that note, anyone who says that a game like Twilight Princess or Halo has no redeeming "artistic" value has gone off his rocker. Coding a game is hard, coding a VIDEOGAME is even harder, and i think that game developers and producers are as much artists and Burgmueller and Frida Khalo ever were.
I swear, this man makes G.W. Bush sound like a AAA-movie star.
>_>
God forbid we ever become hypocrites.