Scary Words: Boston Mayor Wants to Lay Down the (Video Game) Law

April 5, 2008 -
Boston news radio station WBZ-1030 has a disturbing interview with Mayor Thomas Menino (left) conducted by on-air personality Laurie Kirby (GP: I can't refer to her as a "reporter" based on the softballs she's tossing to Menino here).

The interview took place on March 17th on the eve of the Massachusetts Legislature's consideration of HB1423. The measure, a video game bill based on the Jack Thompson-authored Louisiana legislation which failed so miserably in federal court in 2006 (see: Judge Trashes Louisiana Government Over Failed Jack Thompson Law, Orders State to Pay Legal Fees), would seek to classify violent video games as "harmful to minors" in the same legal sense as pornography.

Here's the text of the interview (as transcribed by GP). Note that Menino speaks of the proposed law as a "ban" throughout the interview and, amazingly, expresses a desire to enforce a lifestyle change on game players.

He also seems to be bothered by the image of kids playing handheld systems, as he references it at several different points in the interview:

Mayor Menino: ...these video games and violence. And uh, ya know, kids - they play with them, they see them on TV all the times. You know, we gotta take some measures to restrict access to this violence. And everybody's well, the First Amendment, uh, you can't do it because this.

We always can't do something. My measure, let's do something to restrict young people from glorify- from being glorified with this violence. As I look at this, I watch little kids out there with these little video games. There's shootings, there's killings and all that. We've got to do something. Everybody says we can't. I'm saying we can and let's start now. Because there's too much violence on the streets of America, presently, to uh, that is happening.

And so, as Mayor, I just want to put something out there, and let's have a discussion about this. Everybody has a responsibility. I'm taking some of that responsibility, I know it's controversial. But you gotta do something about banning the violence that young people are accustomed to today. And it's a tough battle because they say, it's a First Amendment. But we also have... rights in America to have a safe neighborhoods, safe streets, and safe world. And that's what my discussion will be about - is about safety in our homes, safety in our streets, safety in our worlds.

Announcer: Well it's interesting, because they are bringing up the First Amendment issue here, but what about pornography? I mean there are some - obviously, minors can't buy pornography, so it's not as if there aren't some restrictions  already in place.

Menino: That's right. They put pornography in the back of a room or someplace. Kids can't buy it readily. But you can buy those video games right off the counter without showing any identification at all. And that's part of our efforts is to try to restrict the access to these video games.

Announcer: So... what are you going to do, exactly here, and what woud the language be? You would ask for all Boston stores...?

Menino: Well I have a piece of legislation that will be heard up in the legislature tomorrow. My staff will be testifying on the ban and asking the legislature to put restrictions on the availability of these games and other activities that may enhance a young person's ability to see these, uh, this violence and put it in their hands with the little video games they have there's violence always happening. And it has to be restricted. I mean it's just another way of saying, hey, we all have a responsibility and the video game industry also has a responsibility.

Announcer: Okay, so you would ban the outright sale of any kind of violent video game to what - anybody under the age of 17, or what?

Menino:  18. I'd restrict the sale of video games to anyone under the age of 18.

Announcer: So the store could still sell them, you're just trying to protect the kids.

Menino: That's right. I mean, you start early on. Kids start at 5, 6, 7 years old watching those video games. They think it's a way of life and I'm trying to make them understand there's a different way of life (emphasis GP's) and, uh, as you go about your daily chores, you'll see these kids with the video games in their hands. They'll see it on the TV, see it everyplace you go, there's violence that's out there. If you watched one of our major sporting events last year, every video that was on there, every advertisement had violence in it. Our life is full of violence.

Announcer: You're absolutely right. Now what would the penalty be for a store that didn't card a kid and sold a kid a game?

Menino: We haven't determined what the violence would be, I mean the penalty would be, but we're looking at some serious, serious restriction on the sale of these video games.

Original WBZ audio here: (you'll need to scroll down a bit for the March 17th interview).

Comments

This guy is just as big a lier as Jack Thompson. I wonder if they were roommates in college together

@ DocRobert

"And The 18+ proposal is just fucking stupid. How would the film industry react if there was a law that only adults were allowed to go and see any movie in theaters or buy DVDs?"

Probably the same way they reacted when the same thing was passed in the UK. They sat down, shut up and got on with it. The movie industry seems to have a lot of political influence in the United States, but then again Ive never really understood your whole 'lobbying' system, over here we call that bribery.

"And it’s a tough battle because they say, it’s a First Amendment. But we also have… rights in America to have a safe neighborhoods, safe streets, and safe world."

Yep. I remember that amendment in the Constitution. I believe its Amendment number 67, the RIGHT TO SAFETY. Wait. There is no such thing?

Sorry, but I feel its very important to note that you don't necessarily have a RIGHT to safety. The government can regulate and set up guidelines for the handling of food as that is a public safety issue. They can make causing physical/financial harm to a person illegal. They can't make it illegal to play/buy a movie/CD/videogame as a safety concern (even IF Amendment #67 did exist). If you did have a RIGHT to safety, the government could be held accountable and sued over bad neighborhoods. Besides, last I checked, they don't arrest you for making life unsafe. The idea of government is to protect the citizens, but that doesn't mean we have a right to safety.

But, if we have a RIGHT to be safe, I'll get the bubble wrap to protect everyone from skinned knees.

Sammy: I pity you US citizens. because someday a religious crackpot will start banning fun in your country…

Ever heard of Jack thompson?

Wow!

I think if anyone could ever encourage me, with horrible verbal communication skills, to start doing live verbal debates.

'Cuz if this guy can be mayor, I think my potential for being World President is assured.

Heck, it probably gives ZIPPY some encouragement.

Wow!

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I just noticed one excerpt that proves this guys ignorance to the fullest extent.


"Everybody says we can’t. I’m saying we can and let’s start now."

does he know why everybody says he can't? because the first amendment says he can't, and it doesn't really matter what he thinks

18? Seriously? Way to try and screw over people like me who can finally by M-rated games without an adult.

But seriously, everyone gets down on video games being sold unchecked to kids. Yet somehow I managed to get into Saw IV and Rambo unchecked, and even though I had pre-ordered, and paid for, Halo 3 I still needed my mom there to show ID in September. Never mind the fact that there's more violence on regular television than most Mature games.

If parents really are concerned with their kids playing violent video games they can block certain ratings. So stop blaming game companies and ESRB and do something about it yourself.

@Canary Wundaboy, "but then again Ive never really understood your whole ‘lobbying’ system, over here we call that bribery. "

Yeah...that's pretty much what we call it over here too, except for some reason its legal. Can't make it illegal because the people who benefit from it, make the laws.

:(

@Canary Wundaboy

We're hardly free from the influence of "lobbying" in the UK. Remember when the Govt prevented all tabocco advertising, apart from on Formula One? Cash for Questions? Cash for Honours, even! I fear the problem is as endemic as it is universal.

May I also say that GP.com is a place for holdaing on forth on many, many topics - but gun control is not one of them (and this is coming from an anti-gun person with an axe to grind).

"We haven’t determined what the violence would be, I mean the penalty would be"
Wow, his subconcious obviously feels the need to resort to violence as a means of penalty. Hypocrisy alert!

I don't understand how he can talk about a "safe world" when the Middle East (read: Iraq) has been bombed and been engaged in war with the US for a long time. I really wouldn't refer to war as safe. Before going after video games, go after the persons who decide to kill whole cities worth of people.

The thing I'm worried about is that "violence" will include any game that includes two objects hitting one another or anything red. Or, in other words, it looks like he's trying to ban video games in general. Now, has anyone ever tried to ban movies and books? Or, for a closer example because they are interactive, did anyone want to ban Choose Your Own Adventure? Would they have if it was illustrated in full color and had blood?

Lets see here, Boston has been really out of touch over the past several years. I think of the ATHF movie advertisements, the issue of the GTA advertisements on the Boston subway system, and now this.

Good move jerks.

Honestly how the heck did Menino get voted into office?

I was talking to a friend who lives in Boston yesterday. Apparently the only reason he's still in office is because nobody runs against him.

it is sad seeing another ignotant person trying to ban games because of violance but this is worse in that it seems like he wants to ban all v-games because the "prevent" people from having a "normal" life T__T

So much for the "video games are just for kids" argument...

Banning video games will put kids out on the street, raise unemployment of teenagers 16-18 and actually raise violence on the streets! If kids are off the streets and inside playing video games, what harms can be done? Who knows how many teenagers could be dead by now because of gangs, drugs, and guns.

Live near any major city and you will see the teen violence. It's insane.

So, cant buy a GTA game....BUT...

Can buy Texas Chainsaw Masscure and Nightmare on Elm Street....since neither are violent...

Can buy Rambo (I, II, III, John Rambo), Predator, Commando, Braveheart, Plattoon, Saving Private Ryan, and even Ronin....since none of those are as violent as video games.

Can buy artwork of Gettysburg, The Boston Massacure and WWII including the Nazi Death Camps....since none of those are violent...

Can buy ad space (aka donating) for the G.O.P. and Mr. McCain to help us fun the war in Iraq for another four years.....since there's no violence in war or Iraq.

Can buy guns, drugs, and even a politican.....since none of those cause violence...

But those video games....are gate way games to more, intensive, dramatic, ultra-realistical sensation of violence.

Frankly, Mr Mayor, Boston has plenty of more problems then spending a dime of MY TAX MONEY on this stupid crap. I dont know, maybe the Big Dig? Helping communities suffering from the recession, or, I know, maybe purchase a 'clue' for you!

I didn't find the interview that inarticulate. Uninformed and garbled, yes. He doesn't know what he's arguing and doesn't seem to care. He's after re-election, and that's it.

@Adam

Wouldn't be surprised if they were.

@Chaplain99

I do not see any need for revision, for it is good as is. Furthermore, if possible, I would like to sign that letter myself.

What wonderful public speaking skills you have there, mumbles. Try actually completing a coherent sentence just once, please.

I'm reminded of a St. Patrick's Breakfast the politicians in Massachusetts have every year... and one in particular a couple years back.

Menino said something to the effect of "And now here's something you don't hear too often: an Italian mayor speaking Irish."

A shout from across the room: "We thought that's what you were speaking, Mayor!"

@Ragnaar

Is that a fact, or a joke? If fact, where'd you hear about it? If a joke, I need to remember that, because that was funny! ROFFLMFAO.

"We always can’t do something."

Uh huh..

The mechanics of Memino's responses are worse than 1337-speak. Maybe it's just me... but I felt like I was falling down the stairs in slow motion as I was reading it.

And then..

"Because there’s too much violence on the streets of America, presently, to uh, that is happening."

IMO..
Domestic Violence and Gang Violence are probably the highest percentage of reports. They are also the least likely to be influenced by video games. Either way, they would be a redundant influence because with or without the video games effect, the violence would still exist.

@ illspirit

"But yea, if you think getting rid of the eeeevil guns is such a great idea, I’m not going to bother hijacking the topic to argue more, just come and take them. ^_^ "

lol Good answer. And cleaning up that implication with a cheery little emoticon is priceless.

With this mayor I'm surprised JT hasn't moved to Boston.

...Ooops. I hope I didn't just give 'em ideas. Sorry Bostonians :(

This will never get passed. This mayor is awful. I can't believe he is raising the age to 18. I think its crazy. You will allow someone to drive a car (which can kill others) at 16. You can watch the movie hostal at 17 (which was stated by steven king) which is much more violent then games. GP was right for not even considering this lady a reporter because it is clear she is not one.

This man gives no real good reason at all. He does not even sound like he can speak right. If this man Is behind the passing of this bill I assure you bostonians there is NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

and by the way.

ATHF is the BOMB!

@Shadow Darkman:

The annual St. Patrick's Day Breakfast is a tradition in Massachusetts where political figures get together to pretty much zing each other. It's televised live on a local Boston station (or a few, i don't remember which), so the public gets to see it.

It's all in good fun and not meant to be taken too seriously, so I would have to say that it's both: it did happen, but it was a joke.

@Ragnaar

Wow, it goes both ways. Fascinating. Okay, I'll have to remember it. Either way, thanks, dude.

Well, the news just got funnier. Rockstar Games has acquired Massachusetts based Mad Doc Software, turning it into Rockstar New England. Now they're almost in Menino's backyard.

[...] I could go on forever about this shit, but I’m going to wrap things up here. I’d like to say that I think it’s great to see prominent figures like Stephen King speak out about things like this. Unless you bring the idiocy of these kinds of things to the forefront, states like: Massachusetts, Arizona, Louisiana, Minnesota, New York, Utah, Kansas and California, are just going to slip them into law without true opposition. And since no one really takes the gaming community seriously, it’s even better to have a non-gamer speak up and say “Hey - I think this is bullshit too”. [...]

When I read this article yesterday afternoon, my respect for Stephen King rose considerably...

http://gamepolitics.com/2008/04/05/author-steven-king-slams-massachusett...

Bow before the King, b**ches! (KIDDING!!!)

[...] Of course that doesn’t stop everyone from mayors of major US cities like Tom Menino to Prime Ministers like Gordon Brown from attacking the video game industry with ill informed charges and populist rhetoric. Gordon Brown hired some TV “expert” who believes video games are “like heroin” to write a report. [...]
 
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