On V-Tech Anniversary, Morality in Media Prez Sees 1st Amendment "Suicide Pact"

On V-Tech Anniversary, Morality in Media Prez Sees 1st Amendment "Suicide Pact"

April 16, 2008
Watchdog group Morality in Media marks the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech massacre with a press release in which MiM president Robert Peters (left) blames violent media for Hseung Hui Cho's murderous rampage.

Peters also refers to court rulings upholding the First Amendment as turning the Constitution into a "suicide pact."

From the press release:
Undoubtedly, there are loopholes in our nation's gun control laws that need plugging, but in remembering that the Virginia Tech killer used guns to slaughter fellow students, we should also remember that the killer grew up in a culture that glamorizes and even celebrates gun mayhem.

...the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young adults.

The media should also reconsider its blind adherence to modernistic Supreme Court decisions that have made it almost impossible to hold entertainment media companies responsible for harm caused by their reckless disregard for human life. Surely, this was not the intent of our nation's founding fathers, which never meant for the Constitution to become a 'suicide pact.'

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Robert Peters, despite my complete disagreement with every word out of your mouth, I will defend your right to say them.

I'm sure the founding fathers would agree with my thinking on Free Speech, and not yours.
Victimization comes to mind,like in the N'gai article(he had his panties in a wad over the trailer appearing to be racist only hes seeing it through the eyes of non white kids/people from other countries knowing full of the context of what he is seeing...) .

What I am getting at is that lets victimize the perpetrator as a sad crazy man who got him some guns and went on a killing spree only to blame the guns for him being crazy or the media he consumed as some sad and shallow attempt to explain why humans can be vile.

Crazy is crazy is crazy a tool or weapon a book or video wil not remove that fact, intact I would wager it aids release of stress(in legal ways) more than it makes crazy people criminals.
I'm sorry... entertainment companies didn't pull the trigger, Cho did...

I find this socially reprehensible, the eroding of (excuse the French) fucking personal accountability, he, although suffering from an illness, and perhaps being inspired by literature and shouldn't have a gun in his possession, made a choice to fire that gun, a premeditated choice.

Only that wanker is truly accountable, using a broken system to procure the means to do so.

Preventing another V-tech requires 2 things, an improved mental health system, & tighter gun laws, not the scapegoating of pop culture, which hasn't turned the masses into psychotic killlers...
Ah what Stephen King doesn't get a mention for equally destroying our society? Come on the Dead Zones Rape scene was far superior in disturbing content then that of Rambo nya.
Why does he conveniently disregard the role that psychotropic drugs have played in so many of these tragedies?

Cho Seung Hui
Eric Harris
Dylan Klebold
Kip Kinkel
Jeff Weise
Ted Kaczinski
Michael McDermott
John Hinckley
Byran Uyesugi
Mark David Chapman
Charles Carl Roberts IV

All on potent psychotropics AFAIK.
@E.Z.K.: Perhaps he's referring to Supreme Courts on the state level? Then again, perhaps he's just another "watchdog" barking at the moon.
That's exactly it Sean. Though history is forgotten upon fools like this...

Way to use the very tragic murders of 30+ people to further your own fucking agenda. Shitfuck, burn in hell, you cockmuncher. There, I'm practicing MY right to MY (and here's the key word) /FREE/ speech.
Ooh... I almost forgot to post this. It's required reading for any bill of rights argument.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Ben Franklin, one of the greatest minds of our nations history.
Perhaps before stating the obvious that "Cho had mental illness problems", people here should read the press release more carefully. Namely:

"the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible [...]"

The keyword here is "also". He's not singling out violent culture as the sole cause of the shooting, he's trying to add it to the many causes that contributed, each in a different way, to the tragic events.

There is not a single issue, nor is there a single solution, and lambasting someone because he is focusing on one particular facet of the problem is being narrow-minded.
@DarknessDeku

Of course it won't, but we need to make our voices heard too.
I heavily disagree with that man's perspective. The constition was set up in the way it did because without being able to truly speak your mind, how can man truly critize how dark mans heart can be. I don't want to depth about european history at the time of the founding fathers, but you got to remember what europian countries did in the name of religion at the time.

The first admendment is the foundation of every matter in our government. When people start talking about restricting the 1st admendment, it really worries me. These groups that try to resrict the 1st ad. in the name of morality don't know that if they are sucessful in placing heavy restrictions on the first admend., they would be placing this country's morality in serious danger. Without the ability to critize corruption, libel, and defamation; this country would fall about in a matter of a few weeks.

It upsets me seeing other christians attack the first admendment just hurts me emotionly. I don't mean to bring religion into this but, we (in our faith) believe that man is corrupt. Without being able to openly discuss how dark mans heart can get, chaos ensues. And the first admendment helps ensure the ability to talk openly about these things. This is where I have a strong disagreement with that man about the first admendment being a 'suicide pact'. These christian groups trying to restrict the first admendment would end up hurting christianity itself.
This man doesn't want the 1st amendment, fine. It doesn't have to apply.

To him.
Man, this guy has reached a new level of low, bashing the 1st Amendment saying that freedom of speech should be restricted? ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS!!! What he just said really pissed me off. It's these guys who preach openmindedness yet at the same time consider the Constitution stupid that really give society a black eye. If you don't like the idea that USA has given others a right to have a choice, then get out of our country!!! Calling the founding fathers and their ilk who have given their blood sweat and tears to allow freedom idiots just goes to show that you sir, have no business being here. Don't blame TV, don't blame movies, don't blame guns, don't blame video games, and don't blame the 1st Amendment. If anything, blame bad parenting, blame overzealous bullying, and above all BLAME THE PERSON WHO DID THE SHOOTING!!!!!
The guy is saying we should have been following the media released in the last year? I think that's a terrible idea. Anything that effected Cho happened during his entire lifetime not just in the last years of his life.

Even the purpose to look at things that 'glamorize' violence is stupid. There have been movies that pushed the limits of the cultural bounderies since the first motion picture.
Why won't these idiots realize the racism and bullying Cho Seung went through? If humans learn how to treat each other not like shit, V-Tech would of never happened.

Of course Christian wackos like these guys always blame "violent media" because of their refusal to believe that humans are capable of treating other humans like if they're a inferior race.
@MasterAssassin

HA! Yeah, it's the video games, certainly not the butt-rape that's causing the decline of the church!
@GrimCW

Did you read my earlier post on a *very* interesting sect of Buhddaism? That's a pretty cool religion.Hehhehheh....
I love how he calls these things irresponsible.
TV? V-Chip and show ratings
Film? MPAA ratings and DVD parental controls
Music? Parental Advisory stickers
Video Games? Parental controls and game ratings.

It's not irresponsible to make these. It's irresponsible to criticize these as being irresponsible instead of looking at the REAL issues.

I remember reading an Uncle John's Bathroom Reader... one of the articles was about driving back when cars were first available to the public. There were doctors who claimed that women (just women) would lose brain equilibrium if they drove over 25 mph. And actually, when the car was starting to become widespread, the church dubbed it as evil. Of course, the automobile (whose name is a bastardization of two languages) has become an integral part of modern life.

These media haters don't have the basic grasp of cause and effect. Many elements in controversial media aren't a cause for bad things happening. They're often (not always) an effect of bad things happening. So instead of looking to the ROOT causes, they just find this scapegoat which is nothing more than effect.

And it, again, goes back to PARENTS. The problem is not that media exists, but rather that media is taking the place of parents for valuable life lessons. If I was growing up seeing nothing but violence, yeah, I might be violent too. But since I had parents to put things into CONTEXT, I grew up relatively well adjusted.

Parents: listen to what your kids listen to. Watch what your kids watch. Talk with your kids. The more levels of communcation that are up, the more likely your kids will come to you for help in difficult moral decisions. Don't blame media for your mistakes.
[...] Via GamePolitics. “The media should also reconsider its blind adherence to modernistic Supreme Court decisions that have made it almost impossible to hold entertainment media companies responsible for harm caused by their reckless disregard for human life. Surely, this was not the intent of our nation’s founding fathers, which never meant for the Constitution to become a ’suicide pact.’ [...]
"despite the fact there is no solid evidence connecting most any of these shootings to any games at all."

should be tagged in there somewhere.

oye, whats next for these people to attack when the games thing has died off?
any chance they'll take on the real threat? bad parenting and corrupt government?

hmm nah, on second thought, that'd be to easy to prove. We gotta stick with stuf that can be controversial and hard to prove.
"the goal of the conferences, according to one former government official, is to build a better system for sharing classified cyber-threat data with private companies."

Wow... in 1 sentence they were able to spew enough ignorance for the past century. Perhaps they should have included Jazz music, Interracial marriage, and gay pride.
Truce on the 2nd-amendment-gun-stuff for now?

This guy is an idiot with no regard for free speech.
How can he claim that entertainment media are recklessly harming human life? Hell, Cho wasn't into violent video games and stuff, so why would reporting on "the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young adults."
crap... wrong paste

"…the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young adults."

THAT's the quote I wanted.
I believe next are games which are controlled by your thoughts... (they are being developed right now)
I am sure they will claim that this makes you program your brain to always want to kill our something along that sort...
Huh, I thought it was because he was "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization". Well, I guess I can be wrong from time to time.

Oh, by the way. Robert is a complete dick for seizing upon the anniversary of a horrific event to further his agenda.

There are my unasked two-cents.
I'm pretty sure the whole point of the 1st amendment is to protect speech some may find objectional, and the idea that this is somehow a "suicide pact" is ridiculous fear-mongering.

Acknowledging that there are "loopholes" in gun control laws and then going into a rant about the dangers of video games makes this peice seem almost ironic. Even if you want to believe that Cho was inspired to murder by Sonic the Hedghog (that was the game referenced in the final report, wasn't it?), he still couldn't have pulled it off without convenient access to guns.

If the media wants to report on irresponsibility, then maybe they should focus onn the irresponsible parents who let their kids watch/listen to/play forms of entertainment made for adults. The world is not made of Nerf, and not all of it is (or should be) appropriate for kids.
...And yet another know-nothing, opportunistic douchebag uses this tragedy to attempt to push his own agenda.
"The media should also reconsider its blind adherence to modernistic Supreme Court decisions that have made it almost impossible to hold entertainment media companies responsible for harm caused by their reckless disregard for human life."

Wow, bold statement. I seriously doubt ANY employee within the videogames sector has "a reckless disregard for human life". We're geeks, for crissakes - not sociopaths!
[...] wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptWatchdog group Morality in Media marks the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech massacre with a press release in which MiM president Robert Peters (left) blames violent media for Hseung Hui Cho’s murderous rampage. Peters also refers to court rulings upholding the First Amendment as turning the Constitution into a “suicide pact.” From the press release: Undoubtedly, there are loopholes in our nation’s gun control laws that need plugging, but in remembering that the Virginia Tech killer used guns to slaughter fellow students, we should also remember that the killer grew up in a culture that glamorizes and even celebrates gun mayhem. [...]
Im going to say what everybody right now is thinking about Moby Dick here,

You sir are a fat fat fat fat lard bucket who deserves to crawl back to the depths of heck from whence you came. 31 people killed and you want to use this as a launchpad for your political issues?

Well then you ambulance chasing tub of fat, you are a sick human being on the level of Hitler for doing so.

This time of year we should ask for the souls of those taken away so prematurely rest in peace, we should never forget nor should we use this as a weapon against others. The man who performed the shooting was sick in the head, do not blame guns or games or the media in fact dont blame anyone at all.

What happened to the time where the killers were blamed for the crimes they committed? Now parents groups, media enforcement groups all want a piece of the so called violent media. These people are inconsiderate and disrespectful to those who perished.

So Mr.Media Prez. please for the benefit of this planet go dig a hole and stay there for the rest of eternity.
modernistic Supreme Court decisions


What in the world does he mean by that? Of course he is an idiot. AS far as I know, the Supreme Court has yet to rule on anything regarding violent media.

So much for that argument.
According to their own website, they've been doing that since 1962. But as I previously said for Phyllis Schlafly : relax, it's just Morality in Media.
I'm sure that the fact that the man had a history of mental illness had nothing to do with what happened. And while we're talking about the intent of the founding fathers tell me do you think when the second amendment, when the only guns the existed could be fired at rate of about one shot per minute (if you were pretty fast), that they had any concept that people would be able to by things such as assault rifles or even semiautomatic handguns for that matter.
So... he doesn't believe in the bill of rights, or supreme court decisions..... WHAT!!>?!>>!>!>!>??!?!?!?!ONEONE Seriously, what's wrong with this man. Perhaps he should move to china. (Man, I've been saying that a lot lately)
Another watchdog idiot shooting his mouth of, great. As if this rhetoric wasn't tired enough, but now he's going right past gun control and into the realm of "TV DIRECTLY HARMS THE CHILDRENS!!!" If you ignore the fact that Chow as an anti-social, mentally unstable, gun-loving individual in the first place, you MIGHT have an argument. However, the guy watched wrestling and that was about it.

Additionally... Where the hell is this guy getting his statistics on gun violence? It's been going down for a while, last I checked. What a sensationalist jackass.
Ah another moron blaming things instead of people. Isn't the common thread in school mass murders someone who is insane? The #1 and #3 bloodiest mass murders in the US occurred long before video games (1927 in Bath Township Michigan and 1966 at the University of Texas respectively). Also, the one in Bath, did not involve guns the man responsible blew the elementary school up. Also, let's not forget that Charles Whitman (Texas Bell Tower sniper) had a large brain tumor, Cho was also extremely unstable (VTech), Andrew Kehoe believed that the school, rather the tax to build the school, was responsible for the foreclosure proceedings on his farm, this same man watched his stepmother burn to death, finally we've got Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold who might have been a clinical psychopath and depressant respectively.

It's not guns, it's not video games. It's a system which fails people. ALL of these people should have been seen as troubled and all of them should have gotten helped long before they snapped. They are tragedies in the truest sense of the word because they could have and should have been prevented had those that known the killers just been more observant.
That's a great idea. Let's restrict art and media to topics that government censors consider "safe" so that no one is exposed to anything that may be shocking or dangerous.
All this video game talk is only distracting from the real culprits: jazz music and short pants.
@Monkeythumbs
We’re geeks, for crissakes - not sociopaths!

I resent the inference that those two things are mutually exclusive, I sir/madam/MrGarrison (Circle where appropriate) happen to be BOTH!

As much as a reactionary massacre-profiting tool as this guy is, he may have a point. Think about the american constitution:

The first amendment guarantees free speech thereby allowing the creation of this suicide cult
The second permits the legal ownership of the guns used in such suicides that somehow manage (presumably through bad aim) to take out 30 other people first.
Isn't there also an amendment to guarantee you a trial by peers (AKA: Other sociopathic murdering gamers)?

Damn man, they create the cult, arm them & then give them a way to get off scott free by stacking the jury?? My god its a conspiracy of Thompsonistic proportions!
Good lord that set of my Bullshit meter about 100 times.

Do these people actually listen to themselves, even if all the evidance wasn't against them, there redicouls statments would make it seem like there crazy to begin.

it's scary to thing these people are wanting to be the moral compass for society at large isn't it?

Sorry bout my spelling. It's 5 am and i've not slept yet
Maybe they should focus less on entertainment media and more on the overwhelming amount of news coverage that every one of these shooters gets. Cho sent out his own press package, for fuck's sake. There's no real evidence that he was a big purveyor of violent entertainment (in fact it seems like he was less into that stuff than the average American young adult), but what was obvious was that he wanted his face and story plastered all over the news because that would make him instantly famous.
"Undoubtedly, there are loopholes in our nation’s gun control laws that need plugging, but in remembering that the Virginia Tech killer used guns to slaughter fellow students, we should also remember that the killer grew up in a culture that glamorizes and even celebrates gun mayhem."

Ummm, wasn't Cho mentally unbalanced? I'd say arming a fucking sociopath with violent tendacies in his past and a general disconnect with reality would be priority number 1. After all, this kid wasn't a gamer, he was a fucking playwrite. Quick, someone tell it on the mountains, West Side Story is a terrible influence on our children!
Hmm.. an anti-first amendment watchdog group uses the anniversary of a very unfortunate situation to opportunistically preach their anti-free speech stance.

Shocking!
[...] Game Politics is reporting that Morality in Media is using the first anniversary of the Virginia Tech tragedy to blame the massacre on the perpetrator’s use of violent media — btw, didn’t the violent game link get disproved mere days after the event? [...]
You know, idiots like this prove the point I make all the time.

Why does the industry sit and do nothing. Admittedly, in this case, this guy is just venting an opinion, moronic though it may be. but I can't fault the man for that, after all, he's not threatening lawsuits or specificly blaming anyone.

But, why is there no counter release from the industry, why no one saying "Hey, you got no evidance to back up your wild claims, we do have evidence that shows your wrong however."

Just a question, but, i'd like the industry to do something other then sit on it's rear like it always does.
what.
a.
cock.
Name a time when civilization DIDN"T grow up on a culture of violence.
The guy wasn't even listening to what he was saying... i say he just hates video games.
@Yuki

Because it's easier and acomplishes the same thing. They also don't want to risk making a martyr of one of those advocates.

I'm canadian, so I can't really comment on the first amendment intelligently.
What a douche. How could he assume that this nations youth is weak minded enough to be manipulated by those things? Do you have to be declared mentally retarded to have his job?
I am happy he is not manipulating his organization to attack video games in a real sense, but lots of people trust what he says. That statement may carry some weight with a lot of people. Yuki is right, the video game industry should shoot this one out of the sky.
Did no one watch the kid's pre-strike video? He told everyone why he did it. He was tired of taking everyone's crap. And even if the games had inspired his decision to take care of his problems in a violent fashion, those problems would still be there. All he needed for influence, though, was to look at previous school shootings. Luke Woodham, Michael Carneal, Jonesboro.

Columbine...
That low life, self righteous, hot headed, over zealous, communistic bastard. How dare he attack our rights. Oh yes gg, attack media for tragedies, especially on the anniversary of such an event. Instead of taking time to remember the dead, paying respects, no no lets further our own radical selfish agendas and point fingers and subjects that have no relevance. And then further it by saying our constitution that protects our right of free speech is a Suicide Pact? WTF? Im really getting sick of all these politicians and morons trying to change the laws for their own delusional views and goals. If you want to fix a problem, look at the real issues, not point and crucify scapegoats.

Point is: Yes media of all forms can depict violence. Yes there are tools that make violence easier to carry out. But the truth of the matter is…not one of them force anyone to commit any action against another. It is the individual who committed the crime that should be blamed. I really whish people would stop trying to hold anyone or thing else accountable for the actions of a free willed person. It was said person who thought about and carried out the crime. At no point did anyone or thing force them to kill.

I think its time we start, oh I don’t know, actually holding the COMMITTER of the CRIME responsible. Rather than trying to blame someone else, these people should just accept the fact that you know, there are some fracked up people who are just plain evil or psychotic and would have done this even if they were in a bubble their whole life.

Its just so ridiculous how far some people will go to blame others and try to make a buck. And its even sadder how many will blindly follow. Sheep -_-
Only one thing can be said to descibe what I feel each time I see this trash
Grrrrrrrrr!
Any group that has "family," "children," or "morality" in their name is almost certainly going to hate videogames. Fortunately they also almost always hate television so the television networks don't cover them so we can just ignore them.
"Surely, this was not the intent of our nation’s founding fathers"

I said it once and I WILL say it again. In the late 1800s to early 1900s kids as young as TEN has fired a gun frequently. It's like they are throwing history to the wind and mocking it.

"…the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young
adults."

Our most violent time has passed. I don't care what anybody says. Sure there still is Violence but considering of what happen before this is nothing compared to the World history of Violence. We are taught about violence at a young age by the teaching of history of the world through schools. Notice how they said rap music when every other music is just as bad hell listen to Cannibal Corpse for a chance those lyrics are messed up.

I could go on but I don't really want to
the1jeffy wins at free speech.
Yes yes, ~the1jeffy is correct.
Yep, ~the1jeffy has it nailed.

This twit doesn't understand what the point of free speech is. It's not to protect speech you agree with, it's to protect speech you dislike. And while some may argue that it was only intended for "printed and spoken" material (ie speech and the press), that's all the media they had at the time. It would be like guaranteeing freedom of speech, press, music, moving pictures, interactive entertainment, and flagdar, so it's covered as soon as they invent flagdar, whatever it may be.
Just another massacre chaser. He can talk all he wants, but until he stops putting his soapboxes on corpses, he won't get anywhere with me.
"The media should also reconsider its blind adherence to modernistic Supreme Court decisions that have made it almost impossible to hold entertainment media companies responsible for harm caused by their reckless disregard for human life"

and he should also reconsider his blind adherance to views that are not supported by any fact, and in the specific case he talks of, are completely disproved by the official enquiry, infact finding evidence to the contrary!

wow this is frustrating
Didn't Thomas Jefferson say at one point, "This would be the best of all possible worlds if not for religion," when speaking about the US? That's the only quote I have from a founding father so I'll toss it out there even if it doesn't apply.
Here we go with that "culture of violence" bullshit. Our nation does not value violence, we value *fake* violence. EVERY OTHER COUNTRY DOES THIS TOO. Videogames are available nationally, and yet shit like this is pretty much exclusive to the US. How does this person, or anyone like him, explain that? To argue that a GAME played a major role in a tragic event is disrespectful of our human resilience and shows a massive lack of faith in humanity. If we truly are a culture that values violence, then how the hell is it that we still cry when loved ones are lost or hurt? Why is it, that when we look upon horrid events like V-tech, or Columbine, we are disgusted? WHY?! BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG!
Just so I understand, it's only the movies and games released in the last year were responsible for the killing the year before?

And what about the gun violence when we were growing up? GI Joe, the original Transformers, Mask, Star Wars, Star Trek, the original Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, etc? What about cap guns? What about the Lone Ranger?

The hippocracy shown is astounding. Alarmists attempt to villify the Wii Blaster while the have no problem with the Super Soaker, cap guns, Nerf Guns, Air Soft guns, etc... You try telling me the Super Soaker isn't interactive? Oh, but that is just good clean fun! What about the one that was made specifically to put ice in it, the Arctic Blaster or some such nonsence? I wouldn't want to get shot with that.

Are you trying to tell me a child knows they shouldn't shoot a person in a nice suit with a water gun, but somehow a 16 year old doesn't know they shouldn't shoot their classmates with a real gun?

It's about time they need to start sepperating people who commit crimes from the victims. They knew they weren't supposed to shoot the people, they knew what they were doing. No one MADE them do anything. You can't take the fact that they killed someone as proof that they were insane. And if you offered them the Twinkie Defense and said that it had a 95% success rate, they would take the Twinkie Defense.

A person grabbing some reason why they aren't responsible for their own actions is human nature. From the three year old who said it wasn't his fault for hitting the teacher because the teacher was mean all the way to the 98 year old who says it's not their fault for shoplifting since the prices are so high now.

In short, you give a murderer a scapegoat of videogames, they will jump for it. If the murderer is already dead then a politician will walk over the corpse to jump for it.
Perhaps the media should also be reporting on religious zealots trying to cram their useless values on everybody.
Robert Peters is insane.
Watchdog Group = We will censor the living daylights out of everything that doesnt suit our tastes.
Also, regarding the "...reckless disregard for human life.", last time I checked, these developers were making GAMES, not fucking NUKES. The games contain the splattering of PIXELS, not BRAIN MATTER. These games are FAKE not REAL. It's not the game developers fault that parents aren't teaching their kids the difference between RIGHT and WRONG, or FANTASY and REALITY. I have a THREE YEAR OLD COUSIN WHO CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG, FANTASY AND REALITY! So don't even try to tell me that it's hard to fucking do!
The Founding Fathers knew that the answer to free speech was more free speech. Not limitations like these "groups" want. I of course support the right of these groups to say what they want, but let us be straight about something: one person's liberty ends where another person's begins. We can all say as we please, but to take actions that harm our rights/interests is un-American.
The Founding Fathers knew that the answer to free speech was more free speech. Not limitations like these "groups" want. I of course support the right of these groups to say what they want, but let us be straight about something: one person's liberty ends where another person's begins. We can all say as we please, but to take actions that harm our rights/interests is un-American.
@Christian Astrup

Yup, that about sums it up... I like to add the term 'self-appointed' to the front of the description though, as it is usually more honest.
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Why don't we have someone who runs around on talk shows.
GRIZZAM
the problem is the moralist mentality is because it appers to be bad it must be thus ban it.
Robert Peters, get out of this country.
When I was a kid we used to watch bugs bunny cartoons, which usually had elmer fudd blowing getting his face blown off with a gun, wiley cyote lighting a rocket that was strapped to his back. We sang nursery rhymes about the plague (Ring around the rosie). Read fairy tales which involved wiches eating children, wolves attempting to eat children. And watched religious movies on Television or in the theater which showed various plagues killing thousands of people in an instant.

The reality here is that for generations our children have been exposed to violence either in story, song, on television, church, or real life itself. And it would appear society's still intact.

Who gave these morality police the idea that what we all want is to have a strict guideline of what is "good" or "bad" set in stone by the goverment where parents aren't allowed to use their best judgement to do what is right for their children based on their own beliefs and not the beliefs of others?

The first amendment protects our nation from potential dictators who would take office and regulate the media, and impose their own moral/religious beliefs on others by force. In short the founding fathers intended the first amendment to protect the people from groups like Morality in Media, not to be a suicide pact.
The world truly has failed to not repeat the mistakes, the people of the past have made. He should be happy that there is a first amendment otherwise he could be considered a terrorist and be thrown to jail unjustly. People like him are a disgrace to this world and it's past. This is why America and plenty of other nations are falling apart because of idiots like these.
@Jerros

I'm sure they realize that. Thing is, a watchdog group is only valuable if there's somthing to watch in the first place.
I say we ban ZippyDSMlee. WHO'S WITH ME?
Well, Mr. Peters, I'm going to let you go right on talking. While I don't agree with you and think your agenda is actually harmful to the arts and humanities, you have the right to say whatever you want to say. That's the First Amendment. There's also an implied part to that amendment that allows you to run your mouth and look like an idiot until people ignore you. You're welcome to exercise that right as well because I, unlike you, respect the Constitution that's stood over 200 years. Honestly, quit being a hypocrite. Exercising your right to free speech in an attempt to restrict other's rights is pathetic. Get off your high horse and think before you talk.
Isn't the PATRIOT ACT made the 1st Amendment obsolete?

In honest, I'd rather criticize the 19th Amendment instead.
Why is there violence and evil in the Bible? Because people need to come to terms with it so they can live in the world! If a person does not understand evil they can succumb to it. If a person does not understand violence they can succumb to it. Humanity is a beautifully resilent species. We can sort through bad influences without losing ourselves.
Why are people fascinated with war? Because war can unleash the best in man, and the worst in man, all at once. One moment a soldier can bomb an entire city, the next he can give his life for his countrymen. On one side you can have Captain America, the other side Chapel(Youngblood member, guy who killed Spawn, sick mutha f*cka). It is understanable that war is so prevalent in our stories.
For the record, it's spelled 'hypocrisy.' A hippocracy would be a government run by horses.
And while I suppose we shouldn't be surprised by the stance of the head of a group called Morality in Media, it'd be much more refreshing if someone would start a dialog on how the rise in school shootings is the result of numerous interrelated factors, not just GTA and guns.
Why is NOBODY blaming the shooter for his own shootings?
If you need to blame something, blame Cho.
If for some reason you really can't do that, blame his illness.
If that's not good enough, blame whoever failed to do a proper background check and sold a gun to someone with a known mental illness.
Please, someone think of the hedgehogs.
*Paid for by the Foundation for Support of Porcupines and Other Spiny Creatures*

The Jeffy had it right. The founding fathers would be shocked by how much values have changed since their time, but they'd agree with us. The basis for the First Amendment has not changed. This quote isn't from a founding father, it's from a Evelyn Hall, but it still applies:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Finally... we live in a culture of violence? Look at history and tell me that again with a straight face. Look at the crusades, the bloody revolutions, the wars of the middle ages. As Grizzam pointed out, we live in a culture of FAKE violence. Most Americans, myself included, don't know what real violence is. We can only understand it on the most basic level. The only ones who understand REAL violence are the people who have lived through it. Thankfully, we live in a time where most people don't have to understand it.
I'd love to see this guy live for a few years in Wartorn areas of Africa or the like and then claim that the US lives in a culture of violence. Assuming, of course, he survives.
Monkeythumbs
uhg I has not had enough coffee this morning,let me rephrase that last one.

Moralists get all a tither with things they do not like and see them as "bad" because it gives the appearance as "bad" they must ban them.

or are you saying I should be banned for another reason? :P

GRIZZAM
Its more about control, moralists need to assert their view of things on others, violence may only be used from their approved subjects everything else is bad because they deem it so, humans what "fun" lil creatures they are..
To ~the1jeffy :

Well, then we have the right to say we aren´t agree with him because he is saying lies about free speech.

Also, I think he is an attention whore, ambulance chaser and a douchebag...
As a Virginia Tech alumni, I think it is unfortunate that people such as this seize on the anniversary of this tragic event and exploit the deaths of 32 innocent people to boost publicity for their movements.

Mr. Peters may think that his cause is just, but he has 364 other days in which he could promote his viewpoint. Using today is inappropriate grandstanding of the highest order, and disrespectful to the dead, the wounded, their families, and the VT community.
I'd like to point out that there is a sect of Buhddaism that believes Buhdda resides in a woman's clitoris, and that sex is the way of enlightenment. To me, this is downright silly(the Buhdda part, not the sex part), but it's their right to believe whatever they want and as long as they don't push it on me I couldn't care less. Some people (you know who you are) would take offense to it's mere existence and try to destroy it.
@ Zippy

Nah, that was just my lame attempt at humour. Your posts are a bit like a good puzzle game - initially a frustrating challenge, but more often than not worth the effort ;)

@ beacon80

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE HEDGEHOGS???
Monkeythumbs
mew bum raping grammar doth not halps it >>

working on it but ti still takes me a month or 3 to write something simi coherent
http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/art/Zippy-Book-prolouge-77989827

and even then you want to drop yer eyes in bleach to feel clean again 0-o
He apparently was obsessed with the movie OldBoy, which was a great movie, but was Korean. He 'grew up in a culture that glamorizes and even celebrates gun mayhem'?
'Gun mayhem' is a fun statment.
@rannoc

OldBoy's fucking awesome. Great horror movie.
Why are you all worried over everything he is saying? It won't change anything.
DarknessDeku
becuse people like to complain, as you well know ^^
I hate to keep beating a dead horse here, but perhaps we should include religion in that laundry list of violent media. I mean, many have pointed out the amount of violence and other adult content in the Bible. Hell, let's toss in classic literature while we're at it.

All I'm saying is, let's be fair and include all forms of violence. Not just those this wacko sees from on top his high horse.
Ugh! What a way to exploit one of Oliver Wendell Holmes greatest sayings "The Constitution is not a suicide pact..." for political gains.

I guess in this guy's perfect world Thomas Paine would never have dared publish "Common Sense" because it would have been "dangerous"

Ya know, whenever I see people like this on TV I can't help but think of the "Operative" from Serenity, ya know, the guy who just unthinkingly followed his orders to try and create his "World without sin".
The "founding fathers" also thought that slavery and only allowing white land owning men to vote was a good thing. So I don't think that asking, "What would the founding fathers want?" is the best question to ask.
I long for the days before video games and R rated movies. A time when people did not kill other people, It was an eden. For sure all those killers such as jack the ripper, Billy the Kid, Nero, Hittler, Lizzie Borden, Mary Ann Cotton, charles whitman (clock tower sniper) etc etc etc... Must have all been time travelers from the future that spent time playing video games.
@jccalhoun

Hehehe, totally.
@ SithLibrarian

But didn't you know...the Bible is infallible...it's all the exact words of God...

I'm a faithful and religious Catholic but even I know that's bull. I wonder if that guy has ever read "Song of Solomon" or "Song of Songs" (depending on your version of the Bible) it's pretty racy.

"Your breasts are like the fruit of a great tree and I will climb the tree..." just a small sample.

I love the "We should just follow the Bible" crowd, ok I guess they're the first to volunteer to be thrown into a furnace (Book of Daniel) or any of the other violent things.
@grizzam

I think you just converted me.
nice to see the rational people making the news again...

/sarcasm off

seriously though, this guy sounds a few fries short of a happy meal... like a whole container's worth. I find these "morality" groups are usually pretty hypocritical, they claim to respect freedom of speech yet want to get rid of it, yet it's that same freedom of speech that lets them become a rabid mass of protesters frothing at the mouth at the mere idea of a child playing video games. We all agree violent games shouldn't be sold to kids, but at the same time we take games away from them we'd have to take away the 6 o'clock news, music, novels and movies, oh and you can't forget comics. It's up to the parents to decide what's right for their kids, not these media watchdogs, granted some of them are too bad, but a majority of them are wound so tight I'm surprised one of their members don't snap and head up to a bell tower with a high powered sniper rifle picking off anyone unlucky enough to be seen playing a DS or PSP as they walk.

V-Tech was a horrible tragedy, but blame Cho, blame all the others who have taken a life, blame their parents, their apathetic teachers who never tried to help them or stop the bullies, these are the people who deserve the blame. There's more than enough blame to share, and it doesn't all belong on one single aspect of these people's lives. "video games made me do it" should not become a viable defense strategy in court. Now insanity I could see, because if you consider using the video game defense you obviously aren't in your right mind.
@ SithLibrarian

We shouldn't blame the bible or anything else for violence. Things don't start it, people start it.
Actually it is exactly what the founding fathers intended. Douchebag.
Johnny Cash:...I shot a man in Reno-just to watch him die...

Nobody ever bitches about country music...
@DarknessDeku

The real problem is that we've become a society who would rather place blame than accept it. I suppose it might even be part of the grieving process that some families involved in tragedies like V-Tech must go through in order to heal emotionally and move on.

However this does not excuse the number of people who have no involvement with such tragedies from using it as an excuse. A way to say "Society might be to blame, but it's not my fault because I have higher moral values than that..."

Today people blame others for almost everything, get in a car accident? Good luck getting the person at fault to fess up, you need a witness to back your story. Got drunk & fell down on your way home as you exited the bar? Must be the bars fault for not cutting you off earlier. Burn your mouth on some java? Oh that's McDonalds fault for not letting you know that it was HOT.

We have allowed fears of getting in trouble and the potential to make large amounts of money from lawsuits prevent us from accepting responsibility and trying to make things right when we are proven wrong, or do something stupid. And don't get me started on the politicians who constantly use finger pointing to get an edge up on their opponents, they all make me sick.
Constitution>Crazy watchdog group
"...we should also remember that the killer grew up in a culture that glamorizes and even celebrates gun mayhem."

You mean South Korea? (Cho lived there until he was eight.)

Also: first amendment suicide pact, eh? I guess they should've called the movie "Live Free And Die."
to vasudean,
No, no, no. You don't get it. They don't like the first amendment. It prevents
them from putting up the Ten Commandments on public property and allows "liberals" to brainwash the population.

The second amendment on the other hand, is actually pretty awesome. It lets people to carry guns. As we all know, guns don't kill people, the liberal media that preaches violence kills people.

They also don't like the 4th, 5th or 9th amendments as it prevents the government from illegally spying on people, being tried by military tribunal or being held without due cause. (oh... uh... wait a second...)

Seriously though, I think that this guy really underplays the "loopholes in our nation’s gun control laws" that allowed for Hseung Hui Cho to purchase guns. Perhaps we should first prevent people with questionable psychological integrity from purchasing guns, then speculate about the root cause of violence.
@name (required)

You know, funny thing about gun control. If you prevent people from purchasing guns legally, what does that do, in all honesty? Would it prevent criminals from getting guns? Would it prevent law-abiding citizens from purchasing guns? Would it in some way prevent someone from becoming a criminal? Gun control promotes a false sense of security in my experience.

I'd actually comment something about the context of the topic of discussion, but there is little I could say that hasn't already been said. V-Tech was not caused or even connected to video games, period, short of the rantings of a raving lunatic from Miami, and anyone who follows his credo might need to look at reevaluating their position on life as that particular lunatic's time of being relevant is coming quickly to a close.
I don't object to private citizens owning guns, because the people saying "well, the criminals would still have them" are pretty dead on there. They're ignoring the law anyway, so why would they respect the law if it suddenly became more stringent?

However, I think the requirements to GET a gun are ludicrously inadequate at the moment. People pussyfoot around the idea of a psychological exam being a part of the application process. I am dumbfounded that it isn't already (I mean sit down with a psych and really evaluate the person, not answer a 10-question "do you plan to kill your neighbors with this gun" quiz that the clerk keeps a stack of behind the counter next to a tin of pencils). And the penalties for possessing a gun illegally should be extremely harsh as well.

Can guns be used and owned legitimately by private citizens? Certainly. Does easy access to guns contribute to school shootings? Absolutely. The thing is, it contributes to the degree of carnage that the shooter can cause when he snaps; it does NOT contribute to the actual snapping. Guns aren't making anyone kill anyone else, they're simply making it easier when disturbed individuals decide to kill someone. If it hadn't been a gun, I'm sure Cho would've either tried to rig an IED or gone around with some kind of blade and cut as many people as he could before being subdued.
"Surely, this was not the intent of our nation's founding fathers, which never meant for the Constitution to become a 'suicide pact.'"

This guy should go read the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist Papers sometime. It was very much the Founders' intent that the Constitution be a "suicide pact."

"the killer who made a bloody wreck of Virginia Tech used the 'weapon of choice' seen in rap videos and action films."

What? The Glock? Those also happen to be the 'weapon of choice' for a majority of law enforcement, and for a large portion of the civilian handgun market. This isn't because they're in action movies, but because they are a quality product with legendary reliability. Ford makes several cars which are a 'vehicle of choice' in action movies, but do we blame the movies when someone uses a Ford to run from police, get in an accident, or whatever?
@ Xlorep,
Thats very true and I agree, if guns are outlawed, only the criminals will have them. Yet, it would be wise to exercise some degree of prudence when selling weapons. A more thorough back ground check (that is within constitutional grounds) might have forced Hseung Hui Cho to go underground to purchase a firearms. Hopefully, that isn't too easy.
Undoubtedly, there are loopholes in our nation’s gun control laws that need plugging...

This is really all he needed to say.

but in remembering that the Virginia Tech killer used guns to slaughter fellow students, we should also remember that the killer grew up in a culture that glamorizes and even celebrates gun mayhem.

Firstly, the Virginia Tech killer was a PSYCHOPATH. It didn't matter where he grew up. He was going to kill someone at some point.

Secondly, American culture doesn't celebrate "gun mayhem". If it did, there'd be no gun laws.

As for glamorization, yes, there is some of that. But in the Virginia Tech killer's case, that was completely irrelevant.

…the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young adults.

Or, perhaps they could focus on addressing how to cure what ails us.

The media should also reconsider its blind adherence to modernistic Supreme Court decisions that have made it almost impossible to hold entertainment media companies responsible for harm caused by their reckless disregard for human life.

Ah shit, where do I start on this one?

1) The Supreme Court upholding the First Amendment isn't even remotely "modernistic".

2) Entertainment companies don't have a "reckless disregard for human life". If they did, we'd have nothing but movies and TV shows where real life people are actually killed instead of pretending to be killed.

3) No one's ever proven that entertainment media causes anyone harm.

4) Even if the CEO of Paramount Studios went on a rampage and killed a bunch of people, he wouldn't, couldn't, and shouldn't be held accountable for someone who was murdered a thousand miles away after watching a violent Paramount-produced film.

Surely, this was not the intent of our nation’s founding fathers, which never meant for the Constitution to become a ’suicide pact.’

Well, it hasn't. So this guy FAILS.
Of course, he probably didn't know that the V-Tech shooter had a mental disorder and gradually lost his sanity when he neglected to take his meds. Either that, or he completely ignored that fact in order to blame the whole incident on the media and firearms to further the agenda of his organization, which, judging by the name, seeks to sanitize the media in a way that best suits their twisted and ignorant idea of morality.
@Jerros:

Interesting you mention violence in cartoons. Saw something on Boomerang last night that annoyed me. One of the old Looney Toons (one of the side ones, no major characters) was cut. An anvil was dropped on a singing dog. They showed the guy dropping the anvil, they showed the dog gettting unsmooshed. They did not show the impact or the falling.
@illspirit

Yeah, that's just silly what he was saying.
I watched Predator when I was like, five, and yet I didn't run next door and try to skin the neigbor's cat. Perhaps it's because my parents always watched movies with me and explained to me that it would be wrong and irresposible (and stupid, and innapropriate, and illegal...) to try and do that stuff in real life. Maybe that's what kids need? To talk to their parents about life's rights and wrongs? As a side effect of all that, I can enjoy my games and movies without having to immitate them like a total dipshit!!
@Rhade

That's EXACTLY what I pointed out on my last post!
@ TheEdge

About the psychotropics being an issue? I didn't see any posts by you aside from this one.
Shame on this sensationalist moron for exploiting a tragedy to further his agenda! Gimme a break, gun crime has been dropping in the past few years and people are still looking for excuses.
V-Tech Anniversy.

Front page of Dayton Daily News: "Should students be allowed to carry guns on campus?". A group of students think they and anyone should be allowed to carry guns on campus for self protection.

Not video game related, but I thought it was kinda intresting.
@Paulrus

Well, there is a certain truth behind the notion that a real fast deterrent to people using firearms violently is if others can also pull out their own. For example, muggers would be less-inclined to do so if that 80-year-old woman they were going to mug pulled out a .45 she's been practicing with since she was 6. Someone robbing a liquor store would be less inclined to do so if half the customers pulled out guns and pointed them at him. I'm not saying this is necessarily the *best* solution, but getting shot at is a major deterrent for these kinds of things.

The big problem I'd say is less that people have guns, and more that there are a lot of people who have access to guns but don't know how to respect them and/or properly use & care for them. There is a *lot* of responsibility that is required for having something so dangerous. People should be taught, early on, about safety and care for firearms, I believe. Build respect for the weapons, and eliminate the fear of them. But I'd say that there should be some kind of licensing & control over them, to a degree. But that licensing/control should never be done out of fear based on criminals using the weapons and trying to "protect people" from it... that's just plain stupidity when you look at the situation.

Cho, quite honestly, would have not gotten too far with his rampage if there were others who were far more qualified to use a weapon, and were armed. Rather than mourning the deaths of a number of innocents who were killed, instead Cho would have been probably killed or potentially just maimed and/or disarmed quickly.
@ Martini

That's assuming there's no such thing as evil.
I hate it when talking heads go on about morality. What if my morals are different than yours? What if I don't care that there's a naked lady on the TV? What if I want my kids to be tolerant of other people's values and perspectives and to know that there are different ways of thinking? Then what?
@Jerros
and those cartoons, many of'em anyways, were taken off the air for being to "violent" believe it or not!
Transformers, and Gi Joe both got canned cause of "violence"
many of the old toons that we knew growing up either got censored in newer versions, or flat out "banned" from being aired.
and Sesame Street has an "recommended for adult audiences only" sticker on the DVD's cause Elmo had ADHD, Oscar was depressed, Bert and ernie are gay, and they portray young kids talking to random strangers and going home with them.

hmmm wow, ya know, as a kid i never once took notice of any of that cause i really had no idea.
and i can't say i've been affected, let alone care for any of it :/
I pulled this off his website. Frankly it shows what kind of crackpot we are dealing with her.

“Problems at home, problems at school, problems at work, problems with girl and boyfriends, difficulty getting along with other people in general and mental illness are nothing new, and cannot be the primary explanation for mass murders by so many minors and adults."

Oh so mental illness, broken homes, abusive families, bad relationships, bullies, poverty, and stressful situations won't cause someone to pick up a gun and shoot people but playing Bioshock, listening to 50 Cent, or watching The Matrix will? Interesting cause violent crime has been dropping over the years and mass murder is not new and neither is school violence. Fourty years ago before video games, rap music, or modern horror/action movies ever existed we had some psycho go up on a clock tower with a Sniper Rifle and kill a ton of people. What influenced him Mr.Roberts? Please tell me. This man makes me sick, he's an ambulence chaser like Jack Thompson. Oh yeah and this asshole actually thinks the Hays Code was a great thing to have. The Hays Code is often viewed as a symbol of censorship and oppression. Thank God I didn't grow up in that era.
@MasterAssassin

Did you know the Hays code forbid showing utters. UTTERS! AS IN COW TIT! WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT?!
Disregard for human life?

Can somebody please explain to him that pixels are not living tissue and aren't even real.
Also, just because problems at home or at school aren't new, that doesn't mean they aren't the problem. They could be becoming more common (assuming there was an increase in violence at all, which there isn't), or perhaps population is a factor.
Scratch my last comment way up top.

The man is a technophone. And a jackass. Not just a game hater.
Why don't these "Morality" groups ever want to ban violent media like, say... THE BIBLE? I bet this douchemunch has a copy of The Passion of the Chirst on DVD at home.

The Founding Fathers wrote the First Amendment because they didn't wan't religious zealous and tyrants to be able to make restrictions on what free people choose to speak about, write about, paint, portray, or otherwise use to express their thoughts and ideas.

Hypocrite wannabe media censors shouldn't even be allowed to make blanket statements about the intentions of the authors of the Constitution, but they have every right to do so. It's the same right that lets me call the censorclowns a bunch of pricktickling nutsack shitlicking polesmokers. Just look at that dude's picture, it should be in the uncyclopedia under the entry for Salad Tosser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

Mass-murder is new? What influenced this guy Mr.Roberts? Was it Bioshock and GTA? Was it Snoop Dogg and 50 Cent? Was it Natural Born Killers and the Basketball Diaries? Oh wait those didn't exist back then? I wonder it could be cuz mental illness, family problems, bad childhoods, poverty, and abuse don't cause people to committ mass murder.
@MasterAssassin

Well he obviously invented a time machine and went into the future and played video games. DUH.
they like to quote the bible . . . heres your quote boys and girls ""Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. "

matthew 7:15-23
and another ""But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them –- bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping" (2 Peter 2:1-3 NIV). "
Continuing to be an asshole to Cho's family and friends, eh?
You know, I have something to say to Robert Peters, Jack Thompson, and everyone else who was/is quick to pin the VT massacre on violent video games who is reading this:

Go say your stuff to his family's faces. I dare you.
@ Grizzam

Given how this crackpot thinks, I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with a theory like that. Read his report on his website on mass murder. He also blames the media's portrayal of religion and of good and evil for the decline of the church and the rebellious attitude of some people.

No Mr.Roberts people like YOU are responsible for the decline of the church. Crackpots like you who try to force your beliefs on others don't do your religion any favors. And given the recent headlines about Islamic Terrorists and sex scandals in the Catholic church and most recently the polegamy scandal involving underage girls, it shouldn't be a surprise that religious figures are often portrayed negatively.

He also complains about how authority figures are often demonized and how the lines between good and evil are often blurred. Wake up Mr.Roberts! Things aren't always black and white and again given the recent climate of political corruption and police brutality it shouldn't be a surprise. This man is a fanatic and technophobe who is stuck in the 1950s. He doesn't like violence and doesn't like when religious figures or people in authority are portrayed negatively. Oh who am I kidding, this idiot wants a constitutional amendment to "protect" children from violent entertainment.
@gs68

I always have wondered wether or not ther families think of them like crazy drunks. Just nod and smile!
You know the reason the Founding Fathers gave the US the first amendment? Because of jackoffs like this guy.
on religion...
i avoid it cause it lies to itself imo...
man cannot speak for god, but the bible is gods word written by MAN and as translated by MAN, and therefore is NOT the word of god, but is totally preached as the word of god, despite how twisted it has become.

then theres the "shall not worship any god over me" bit.. question... is Jesus the SON of god, or god himself? he can't be both, and either way, he was a MAN, and therefore cannot speak for god.

honestly those are my unanswered questions that keeps me from seeing point in religion... thats my excuse, whats yers? :p

i think i'll take up Rimmers religion and become a 7th day hoppist.
(anyone catching that reference?)
It's been a year since Virginia Tech? I thought it was sooner than that. Damn, time really flew.
If a kid doesn't know about all the evil in the world, and come to terms with it before they're on their own, it'll turn bad. Being 18, they'll be able to vote, and out of fear they'll vote away all their freedoms, and democracy will die. Also, let's say all the parents in the world just suddenly died. Who's gonna be better off? The kid who was raised in candyland, or the kid who knows the dangers of the world? I'm not saying five year olds should be playing "Super-Mega-Murder-Gangbang 3"(which got an E rating 'cause it's from Disney), but if you don't give them the skills and knowledge to survive, you kinda f*cked up...
I feel sorry for all the families of loved ones who died this time last year,

because they should not be reminded of how stupid people really are.

The worst thing they want to see is a mad person like this guy spouting words of hate on TV, this is the same thing that happened last year.
It has been one year since this horrible tragedy and many more have happened in its wake. Its becoming too many and too often.

I have sorrow in my heart for these families, for the survivors, for those who never got that last chance....to say good bye, or I love you to family and loved ones.

/beginrant
And now, as it was, in the savage year of our lord 2001, when the towers fell, aka when the fun stopped, we have something else to blame in the wake of horrible tragedy, be it Terrorism, Video Games, Movies, Rap Lyrics, Shock Jock Radio DJ's, and of course don't forget those horrible things called comic books.

And we watch this all and understand that many of us agree with one another on this subject that one is responsible for one's own actions. Nothing makes you do anything.

I find it reprehensible that we have to pass this blame off and everyone immediately jumps at the sign of tragedy, well its his/her/its fault NOT MINE!

We are losing the ideals that have been instilled in most of us since birth. When something happens that we caused, we owned up to it.

Why now in this day and age does everything have to be the fault of this or that...McDonalds made me fat, Smoking gave me cancer, alcohol destroyed my liver, etc and so on.

Ye Gods! When did it turn to this can someone please tell me?

/endrant
"…the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young adults."

Why single out rap lyrics, i know that there is violence in some of the rappers lyrics today but rap is not the only genre of music that has lyrics featuring violence. go down to the cd shop tommorrow and walk towards the heavy metal section, and pick it up and read the sticker.
@ jarrod

Go into the Country music section as well. Just because there's no PA stickers on them doesn't mean that some songs don't have violent lyrics as well.
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Krono: Huh, apparently Sarah Palin is resigning.
Posted 07/03/09 at 03:34pm
GoodRobotUs: Sounds like he's been mainlining the Angel Dust again
Posted 07/03/09 at 01:50pm
ezbiker555: I'm back. Just in time too, my Jack Thompson sense were going wild
Posted 07/03/09 at 01:47pm
DarkSaber: You mean "playing with himself"? :-P
Posted 07/03/09 at 01:16pm
Matthew: Oh, Jack's back? I guess he got bored of playing single-player.
Posted 07/03/09 at 01:05pm
Andrew Eisen: I'm leaving most of his comments up but he'll be banned again shortly.
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