Busted for Gambling at Chuck E. Cheese? SC Bill Aims to Prevent That

April 23, 2008
Some video games at Chuck E. Cheese might be considered gambling devices under current South Carolina law. But Rep. Todd Rutherford (D) wants to change that.

As reported by WSPA-7, the South Carolina House of Representatives will vote today on legislation which would exempt video games that issue prize tickets from a law intended to ban video poker machines. From the WSPA report:
Rep. Todd Rutherford, D-Columbia, the sponsor of the bill, calls it the “Chuck E. Cheese” bill, after the pizza restaurant that has games that give players tickets that can be traded for candy and toys. He says right now, a game like Skee Ball or a video game that offers something of value might violate the law.

[Rutherford] does not expect any opposition, since the bill would merely clarify that the children’s games at Chuck E. Cheese’s are not illegal.
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Are you serious?

This is obsurd...

Gambling by definition is wagering money or something of value, on an uncertain outcome, for a chance to win more money or something of material value.

If skill is required to gain something of value, then it's not considered gambling.  Take for example, a golf tournament.  Players pay an entry fee to compete and the winner of the tournament receives a large sum of money for being the best.  Unlike the lottery, everyone is subject to set odds (or chance).  No one has an advantage over the next person.  You put in money, cross your fingers and hope to win.  That's gambling.

Going back to the golf tournament, if I were to place 2:1 odds on Tiger Woods to win the Masters (I being the House that pays out the cash), then that's considered gambling because I have given you an opportunity to win more money based on chance.  Now anyone that wants to win more money on the outcome of the golf tournament, will be subject to my set odds payout. 

CEC games are not gambling.  There are no odds of winning.  All their games are skill based for you to win tickets and redeem for prizes.  But if you offer a kid 20:1 odds of hitting the 100 hole in skeeball, then you're gambling. 

But it would be such a hoot the see Chucky lead away in handcuffs while they tried to explain he was the fugire head for a gambling ring.

You know, I could probably almost see where they're coming from, but still...
(to use an old, tired phrase) this is madness.

I truly don't know what to say about this one.

It's probably not a bad thing to have this in place, if only to have the rules in writing.

That said, there must be more important things going on in South Carolina, surely?

/b

unless jack thompson want to try and take down that "hip-hoop" mouse there's really no reason to take down a children pizzeria with anti-gambling laws.

I agree with beemoh. Nothing wrong with getting it down on paper so someone can't bring a frivolous lawsuit later. Now if they can just get rid of the crappy pizza, smelly play areas, and creepy pervert costumes we'll be all set.

Good for Rep. Rutherford. Too many people wouldn't bother to put through a clarification ahead of time, and just shrugh at the misfortune of whatever place had some idiot bring the poorly worded law down on it in the name of the children.

*facepalm*
*headdesk*

Possible JT response to this topic:

"OH MY GOD CHARLES E. CHEESE IS TRYING TO TEACH KIDS HOW TO GAMBLE, WHICH IS ILLEGAL!!!"

Let the S.O.B. sue me. I honestly don't give two shits about it anymore.

Where did JBT come into this? I think this article had nothing to do with him. Not to be a mod or anything, but FFS, can we focus on the issue at hand?

And rules 1 & 2 beemoth!!!

@Altair

You never know what he can get into.

"unless jack thompson want to try and take down that “hip-hoop” mouse"


I'd probably support JT if he tried that, I hate that mouse.

I have an idea. Lets put "fun" in a blender and then blend the shit out of it till its nothing but a bloddy mess.

This has got to be the biggest example of a pointless law ever. Its not gambling. Putting a dollar into the lottery is gambling. Scratchcards is gambling.

Getting tickets for a well played game of skeet ball is not gambling. Out of all the things I've read on this website this has to be the one that gets me miffed the most.

edit: Ok I sort of let my emotions get in the way and I realized this law prevents them from getting in trouble.

But the mere fact that anyone would consider busting Chuck E Cheese type games under the no gambling law miffs me because its stupid.

Chuck E Cheese used to be good about 20 years ago when they had all the classic games. The games that are there today suck.

So this is what became of Roland Rat....

At first I thought, "What? Why would he do this?"

Then I read that this is basically a consumer protection law. Folks, this is gaming legislation that is GOOD. It merely updates the term gambling to exclude Chuck E. Cheese and other similar restaurant/arcades from any association with gambling.

An elected official...in the U.S....trying to protect an aspect of video games...and he's not running for (re)election?

I'm so confused! My world, it no longer makes sense! =)

Wait? People still go to Chuck E. Cheese?

@Demontestament - Not only do they still go, but Chuck E. Cheese is a popular hangout for young kids and teens...especially in South Carolina.

I grew up in Greenville, SC. When there was nothing else to do, a few of us would head on over to Chuck's place. Every summer there was at least one of our friends working there.

In fact, one summer I was a part-time employee there. Yes...I was Chuck E. Cheese. Nothing sucks more than being stuck in a smelly suit that did not get cleaned out by the last user, then spending your entire night hugging kids greased up from eating pizza.

I still remember the horrors...the night a small group of kids invented the game called "Kick Chuck E."....the horror....

Shouldn't be a problem. Carnival games aren't contested. CEC also allow alot more skill than normal gambling devices. And they're alot less illusionary about what the prize is. The tickets come easy, and the prizes are pretty cheap.

Although, come to think of it, pinball had this same problem when casinos started using them. NY alone held their ban on pinball unitl the 80's. This could be the same issue.

Nice to see a little forward thinking on this front for a change.

Especially since other venues like, say, Gameworks would have also been targeted, unfairly I bet too since Gameworks has adults oriented games like House of the Dead, all three of them

Must they nanny every last thing...heres how you manage gambling have the store kick the ass holes out,if theya re not putting money into the amchiens they they should not place bets amugst them selfs......

and if they are calling the games to win tickets gambling I am ready for the world to fall into the sun now.....

Screw Chucky Cheese. Seriously.

Sadly I agree with this. The games pretty much ARE gambling. The games are also governed by a payout chip set to dispense tickets at a certain percentage, just like a slot machine. The games also require very little skill or no skill at all, its basically put in a token and press a button for a random outcome, on some games. These redemption type games are in all arcades though, and are accessable to children in pretty much every arcade, so if they were to be regulated you would have to go further than just CEC.

Skee ball requires skill, but many of these other redemption games do not, go play some at an arcade and you will see what I am talking about.

However, the fact that a child will get addicted to these machines is probably nonexistant unless their parents take them there every night. Its up to the parents here to decide when its too much, if it gets to that point. I cannot think of an instance where a kid has gotten addicted to these machines, this is probably due to the parental intervention required. Its also worth noting that CEC doesn't allow children in their arcade alone, while many other arcade chains could care less how many kids are running around in there unsupervised. You have to be 18 to be able to walk into CEC without a parent or responsible adult.

Wait, retract last post.
Upon reading the article, it's actaually not a bad thing.
Sorry folks.
9:00am and all...

@lumi

You almost said that like it's a bad thing.

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
What could you gamble for,extra tokens?!
I just got the biggest kick outa that.

Yeah cuz we all know inside the mouse suit is a specialized craps game going on.

If video games can be responsible for pretty much anything, why can't Chuk-E-Cheese be responsible for gambling addiction?

If this is considered gambling then paying a small fee to participate in a raffle is gambling.

@Sara

I don't consider it gambling completely, but it falls into a gray area. You cannot invest your winnings back to get more winnings. You insert TOKENS and you get TICKETS. Chuck-e-Cheese tickets are not exchangeable for tokens. You cannot put the tickets back in the machines to play for more tickets. When you get the tickets, it's the end of the line. They're useless unless you exchange them in the pool of prizes.

And I also realize that the bill is to protect games like this from being called gambling devices. I tend to read the quotes first.

i can see it now "swat team raids local chuck e. cheese" straight out of the onion

Never expected this one...

Well... I have no comment, besides, JT would probably try to get into this issue.

So if I understand this correctly, Anything game that is based on chance and involves money is know as gambling and is illegal to children. So the only thing that makes this legal is that you are using purchased tokens to earn tickets to trade in for prizes. The games still require some type of payed currency so by gambling laws this should be illegal. Right? Wrong?

Those games take skillz, not luck.

I cannot beleave this is nesasary.

Wait.... A Democrat NOT trying to enforce a ban??

Am I dreaming?

OK,....... so you are gonna teach my kids to gamble......., then, not let them continue as adults unless they continue to go to chucky cheese?! This makes no sense at all, COLUMBIA! This state made so much money in percentages before they outlawed video poker and then brought in the lottery........ amazing how those two happened about the same time, huh? Now, if the money goes to education from the lottery, then why do some districts around the state have to wait a month or two to get thier money? Do we not have enough people down there to count pennies and distribute them accordingly in a timely manner or are our state leaders using that money temporarily for something else? Looks pretty obvious to me! It seems that if a man or woman wants to put a dollar or whatever into a machine that is a game of skill as well as chance and is on the winning end of the outcome, then there should be a way to redeem thier winnings wether it be a gift certificate to a restaurant, wal-mart, etc. The player wins, the state wins, as well as the game operator eventually. The state ought to keep the money in this state because the money is leaving and going to Cherokee, NC or wherever else.

Re:

No.  You can not take those purchased tokens and redeem them for cash or prizes.  On each token it reads:  NO REDEMPTION VALUE.

The tokens are used to play in skill games only.  Tickets you receive based on skill are redeemable for prizes.

So, you can't wager something of value, because those tokens are worthless.  It's hard to understand because you paid $1.00 to get 4 tokens.  So therefore, each token is worth $0.25?  Wrong.   Each token is worth $0.00.  CEC will not give you $1.00 for your 4 tokens. 

IF CEC did give you money for your tokens, then they are operating an illegal casino.  Think of the tokens as casino chips.

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