
On the side of a bus kiosk in South Florida, there is a poster.
On the poster is a drawing of a man. The man is sneering, but he's not doing anything remotely pornographic or violent. He's not doing anything, really. There are some words on the poster, too. They're not obscene. Nor do they incite violence.
The poster is an ad for Grand Theft Auto IV.
And anti-game Miami attorney Jack Thompson wants it torn down.
Thompson, a long time critic of the
Grand Theft Auto series, apparently took note of Monday's
GamePolitics report detailing the Chicago Transit Authority's
removal of GTA IV ads from its buses and facilities. In an e-mail sent today to Miami Mayor Carlos Alvarez, Thompson, who took the picture that accompanies this article, writes:
I was shocked today to see a six-foot-high advertisement for Grand Theft Auto IV, a hyperviolent video game... on the side of a Metro Miami-Dade bus stop located... near Children’s Hospital. In fact, the advertisement was adjacent to a kids’ park...
The Grand Theft Auto games have been obsessively played by a number of teens who have then copycatted the outrageous, sociopathic violence in the games and killed innocent people...
The ESRB descriptor on GTA IV indicates this game contains “Strong Sexual Content.” The sale of this game to any minor will constitute a criminal act violative of... Florida’s “Sexual Material Harmful to Minors Law”...
There are also several paragraphs of Thompson's standard
I've been on 60 Minutes with Ed Bradley... GTA is cop killer game... etc, etc, etc...
GP: It will be interesting to see how the mayor reacts. And how the game industry will respond to any potential order to remove the ads. From here, any such action by the mayor's office or the quasi-governmental transit company would seem to be a First Amendment violation.
While the game biz has passively rolled over and accepted past removals of GTA ads from transit vehicles in Boston, Portland and now Chicago, it's about time they made a stand on this issue.
Allowing attention-hungry critics or mayors or transit agencies to force the removal of an ad with no offensive content is not only a free speech violation, but it demonizes GTA IV and, by extension, demonizes the millions of gamers who will be playing the game when it launches next week.
As we have pointed out, the 1st US Circuit Court ruled in
Change the Climate vs. Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority that bus company censorship of ads based on viewpoint is unconstitutional.
Comments
I'm certain the mayor already knows this. And I'm not sure how taking down a sign a week before the release, long after the game has had time to get known, is going to do anything. In fact, all of Thompson's attention to it has probably increased its publicity.
I for one want to buy it more and more each time I hear about Thompson crying to the media or officials for help against it.
Does anyone know what albums Jacko is talking about? I can't finad any real info on it. Zelnick doesn't even appear to have a wikipedia page. One site I found said he was at BMG.
With Jacko's history with 2 Live Crew and the Cop Killer song if Zelnick was involved with one of those it might be the missing link in why Jacko is so out to get GTA but 2Live Crew was not on a major label and Body Count was Sire/Warner Brothers.
contact me in a month and i will have a support group started for you 2 (and others) =p
That's one hell of a paper cut your brother got. :D
Because we all know sexual content always means pornography/sarcasm
Anyway, should have seen this coming. GTA+JT=lawsuit.
You know, he says a lot of things in that letter, and none of them are put across as his opinion, bu facts instead. Doesnt that make him legally liable for fraud/libel or some such thing. Especially if TT lose revenue for losing advertising.
Eat it, Jack. You’ve lost. Those ads are staying up and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it.
How silly
He is the leading critic of video games
so far he has failed to do anything.
dennis.
so are buying gtaIV?
GP: Yep. Although I expect to receive a review copy, I've also pre-ordered the Xbox 360 version.
Now how are we gonna keep them from walking into stores and buying it with overly large allowances and no parents around?
Would someone disbar JT already? Seriously, he's going to get on his high horse again and trot it around here like he's some knight instead of being more like Don Quixote.
Guess he's gotta make payments on his '92 Geo Metro somehow!
Ah yes, the old game = porn/public buisance tactic. Remember how that succeeded for him in the past? Oh wait... it didn't. It led to his personal and unprofessional insulting of a judge when it was decided that a game isn't a public nuisance that in turn led to the sanctions against him.
Games are not harmful to people. Until there is concrete evidence to that fact (and i doubt that there ever will be), you cannot have games censored or banned for being harmful.
Jack's being predictably toolish, in fact, if he were any more of a tool you could use him to cut wood, change a tyre or trim the hedges.
That may be one of the greatest analogies for Thompson there is. A crazy old guy who things he's going out to save people from terrible monsters only to be taken out by some windmills.
There's an interesting distinction to be drawn between ads on a bus stop shelter and ads on a bus. The two may not be afforded quiet the same protection because the latter involves the so-called "captive audience."
Even if by some long shot miracle Jack Manages to get the mayor to listen to him, it’s an extremely small victory in the grand scheme of things. Oh wow, Jack. You managed to pull down a GTA ad from a bus stop. Go you! That doesn’t change the fact that it’ll still be advertised in magazines, comic books and on TV and sell a gazillion copies no matter what you do.
So yes, he would obviously be crowing about and want to rub our faces in it as only he can, as we all no he savors whatever victory he can get, however small and insignificant it is, but in the grand scheme of things.
Perhaps, if he weren't as dull as a plastic butterknife. :P
He'll probably go so far as to appear on FOX if he wins.
"Well as you know, I helped to save the Free World recently. Grand Theft Auto IV, a hyper-violent, murder-simulator that was recently found in a Harvard study to have been created by none other than Satan himself, was being advertised near a children's park. Despite the fact that it's being advertised on billboards, television and the internet, I realized I had to stop this.
It was a complete victory. I had a single poster torn down saving thousands of children from a life of debauchery and murder."
He is completely impotent now. What a fucking disgrace.
Oh I'm pretty sure he's been using it for awhile. Like when he threatened Bill Gates:
"The hyperviolent Microsoft Xbox 360 game Halo 3 is scheduled by your company for commercial release in September of this year. The Beta version that was released last week shows us all just how violent the game is and how inappropriate it is for play by anyone under 17, as the “Mature” rating it will surely receive indicates."
He may have just bought a dictionary and worked out that 'hyper' makes more sense in that context than 'ultra'. Or he is just insane ...
I thought he did? Or does 'pulled out of his ass' not count?
Yeah, b-but two is a number... right? Right?
And so is none-that-have-ever-been-proven-to-be-linked-to-any-video-game.
Seriously, Jack... just stop trying.
I could see it being a problem if it was IN the children's hospital.
It is a bus shelter! How many sick kids take the bus to the hospital? How many kids play in the park, then hitch a ride on the bus to get home?
If we have to keep all ads away from where kids *might* see them, then we might as well abolish ALL advertising.
I think he's talking about nothing specific. He's merely using the fact that Zelnick headed BMG from which to extrapolate the "making pornographic gagsta rap albums" nonsense. If truth be told, Strauss Zelnick couldn't find the "Record" button in a studio without somebody's assistance.
And he considers GTA a "hyper" violent game? Don't let him near a truly violent game, he'd lose his mind..oh, wait.
Like others have said, what about ads for R-Rated movies or TV shows like the Sopranos? I wouldn't be surprised if that location had such ads before and no one threw a fit over them...
As for making a stand, I just hope they point out the hypocrisy of all of this and tell them to enforce such standards & demands on other forms of media.
BAN EM ALL I SAYS!
LMFAO!!!
I also think the term "hyperviolent" is genius also!
Hyper-Desperate
Hyper-Attention-Whore
Hyper-Wanker?
"Grand Theft Auto IV, a hyperviolent video game…"
omg, did he get an early release of this game or what...? how can one say that if s/he hasnt even played it seeing as how it even hasnt been released yet.
as for it being posted near a children's hospital or not doesnt make a difference... It shows nothing sexual or violent, just a guy standing there... Theres no doubt in my mind there are alot more GTA4 ads around the city. Thompson obviously chose that one in hopes of helping his cause. It may seem a small victory to some of you, but If that one gets pulled he'll petition to get every GTA ad in the city removed. Then it would become a huge victory in the head of Thompson. If these ads do get pulled I would love to see the game industry take action.
Just stop.
thats all you have to do.
do make me fax you hate mail you freak.
you lie there and do nothing whilst the gnats keep biting, n eventually you have a full blown swarm on your tail and when you do get up to do something about it its too late.
*sigh* im sick of the industry leaving gamers to do all the hard work. we are supporting them so where are they now?
In comment though, as usual JTs comments are bizaare and full of complete opinion masquerading as 'fact'. how on earth a picture of a guy and some words are harmful to kids ill never know.
oh and ..hyperviolent? what... that really isnt in the dictionary JT so stop using it. Its like me calling you hyperignorant. its not like you can level up your words by adding hyper in front of it like an anime. but then again distinguishing between reality and fiction really isnt your strong point.
Dennis, in case you read this, just a question: Does Jack regularly come on here? Because the theory of 'Let's see how I can get onto GamePolitics this week' doesn't actually seem that unlikely.
To be honest, this is one of the very few remaining outlets for Jack's behaviour as far as computer games are concerned. Fox use him because he's eager to give his opinion on everything, and he's a lawyer (in that order), but the thing about the News industry is that, as they say, 'The Press is always Hungry', in other words, any News outlet that reports 'Today, not much happened' won't last long.
Even GP suffers from it, but it's not Dennis' fault in the slightest, the public don't care if nothing happens, reporters better darn-well go out and find something. If it isn't News then report it like it is and people will end up believing it is important.
It's that self-same 'Hungry Press' that Thompson relies on for attention, in truth he's an isolated, ineffectual, bitter man, what he does isn't News, it's Sensationalism, but these days, it's hard to tell the difference :)
Thanks. I thought so too.
There. Exceptionally long but still fixed for accuracy. :)
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
But yeah, same stuff, different day. Also, I love how JT doesn't even try covering up his lies now, he just makes it up on the spot and rolls with it. "I said it, therefore it's now truth!" Rather than "...person x said y about z so therefore it's true!"
But yeah, JT, move on already.
Well, I don't HOPE for it, but it would be ironic.
Especially if a bus pins him against the ad with his mouth against the mouth of the guy in the ad.
Irony is just so... ironic. :D
Nightiwng2000
NW2K Software
Mr. Crocker: "Oh my god, an A+! This must be the work of... FAIRY! GOD! PARENTS!"
Mr. Thomspoon: "Oh my god, a poster! This must be the work of... GRAND! THEFT! AUTO!"
Does Thomspoon have an ear on his neck as well?
As for trying to get a single ad taken down, I guess you need to crawl before you can walk. And seeing how he is at the end of his legal career, it's about time he learned how to crawl.
I'm really considering getting this game, except I've kind of dug myself a hole. I'm finishing Lost Planet, I still have Super Smash Bros Brawl (a hyper-realistic, hyper-violent woman beating simulator) to play, I just got Okami (female dog simulator), I also picked up a Metal Gear Solid box set (I don't even have to TELL you how horribly violent those are), I have a LAN party to go to this Saturday (where we all play FPS's for about 6 hours strait, and somehow manage to not murder eachother), and then I pick up Mario Kart Wii on Sunday (a moving violation, traffic law breaking simulator).
I just don't think I have the time to fit in a hyper-violent crime simulator.
Where's the logic in that?
What I suddenly realized that creeps me out, and maybe someone mentioned it before, is why is John Bruce loitering around a kid's park and a Children's Hospital?
Surely his son is too old for a "kid's park" and he sure as heck doesn't give a flying fart about kids, only his demands to be the tin-pot-dictator of a theocratic dictatorship. Not to mention that he puts child abuse of all forms on a lower rung of importance than the kid playing a violent video game.
So why is he hanging around places with lots of kids?
Hmmmmm.....
(No, really, why? Surely he has a car. And even if he rides the bus, he certainly NOTICED places where kids congregate. So WHY?)
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
You know, the curious thing, to me, as I sit here and think. I can't remember the last time I saw a GTA4 ad. If ever. Are they just more prevalent in florida? Or is it simply possible that the only people who care are the critics? Oh well.
I's okay, I wasn't criticising Dennis in the slightest. I love the work he puts into GP, and I also love reading about Jack's latest pathetic attempt to demonise something he knows nothing about. I was just curious as to whether Jack comes on here regularly, or if he only comes on randomly if it's to do with his impending disbarment.
Sorry if it sounded like I was criticising Dennis. I wasn't.
Cheers.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Judge Tunis has dispatched her Notice to Parties regarding her Recommendations of Not Guilty/Guilty (her Motion for Extension stated that she was then currently preparing said Notice). Can you confirm that Her Honor has indeed sent her Recommendations of Not Guilty/Guilty to Mr. Thompson? And, if so, what those recommendations are?
Thanks.
Yes, leave it to John Bruce to leave out important factual details. :/
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Jack's house (not in the "I pay the mortgage" sense but in the "I live here" sense) isn't too far away from Children's. The ad's an easy spot as he tools around Gables on his way to pick Stinger up from school.
That being said I'm extremely excited about GTA4, if the trailer is any indication this is going to be the first GTA with a full-blown, film-like plot.
I guess that explains his submission of gay porn to the Florida docket.
Mr. Thompson, read my lips (or text, if you want to get technical about it):
Sexual Content = Suggestive content, and/or hintings to implied future sexual actions NOT VIEWED ON SCREEN. Not 'doing the nasty.'
Example: The end of 'Billy Madison.' Intimate embraces with a 'gifted' woman and blatently obvious innuendos. Insert a comedic scene and a 'driving into the distance' sequence, fade to black. Is this porn in your mind, Mr. Thompson?
(somebody give me a better example, my mind's running on empty today)
jackie you are attempting to stretch a law that you attempted to stretch before to fit and failed. May you have as much success in life as you have earned. Oh wait could that be a negative number?
They should make an advertisement where all the characters of GTAIV are just standing around, pointing and laughing at a picture of Jack Thompson's head... crying... with PWNT written on his forehead... and he's holding a copy of his law license with a big red X across it... yeah.
I'm selling that idea to T2.
A park is a public place that does not have an age limit attached to it.
As we've all discussed before the majority age for gamers is 20-35. So, how do you know it's not aimed at parents of children rather than the children themselves? If this advertisement was IN the hospital then I'd be right with everyone in having a problem with that. That goes for a school bus too.
Don't worry, no offence was taken at all :) I was more trying to make clear that it's a trend in most News Medias these days, and that many consumers are more to blame for it than they think they are ;)
I'm suing Best Buy for selling M-rated games to Stinger (complaint filed but no further action taken).
I'm taking on the Department of Defenses (press release circulated but no further action taken).
I'm suing the Omaha P.D. for information on the NIU shooting (complaint filed but no further action taken).
I'm going to attend T2's annual shareholder meeting (press release circulated but no attendance made).
And on and on and on.
Before, at least he'd earn the notoriety by actually doing something other than justing blasting e-mails everywhere. Nowadays, he's just blasting e-mails everywhere.
GTA IV will come out. Not one ad will be taken down due to his demands.
GTA V will come out. Games will keep coming out.
And violent crime rates will continue to go down. That's right Jack, down.
But then the FBI and their crime rate graphs are part of the conspiracy to get you, aren't they Jack?
Don't forget "And we weren't."
... wait that's only for FOX NOISE (We Report... and Decide FOR you.)
Not that we care either way, mind you.
I swear, the guy on the right side of the bottom-left panel reminds me of JT.
In other news...
T.O.S.: J.T. IS A DOUCHE!!!
Shadow: BACK TO YOUR ROOM, DAMMIT!!!