May 2, 2008 -
Anti-game attorney Jack Thompson and Gavin McKiernan of the Parents Television Council appeared on the Glenn Beck program last night on CNN Headline News.
The first clip is Beck's opening. Thompson and McKiernan appear in the second clip.
GP: Big thanks to several GamePolitics readers who uploaded and/or pointed us to videos of the show...
The first clip is Beck's opening. Thompson and McKiernan appear in the second clip.
GP: Big thanks to several GamePolitics readers who uploaded and/or pointed us to videos of the show...
Comments
"Killing is not in human nature..."
...do wha? did someone actually say that!? This proves that he is JT's Beyotch robot. Basic human...no basic instinct of all living creatures are: Eat, Sleep, Procreate, and Survive. The last one dominates all other traits. In humans its even more stronger and violent being as we are some effed up creatures who can do amazing things with knowledge. For as long as there has been man there has been the instinct to kill, even the first offspring of man-kind commited murder (Cane and Able...take that JT). So to say that Humans dont have it in our instincts is BS, just look at all the wars and butchery we have seen in the history of man (Correct me if Im wrong...but Hitler, Dracula (The actual lord that the whole vampire thing is based from Count Dracule or something), Bloody Mary, Gangus Khan and all the other war leaders and people who commited huge killings in the name of conquest, religion, or just plain fun did not have Media to corrupt them.
Its this blind witch hunting that people fuel, all these rightious crusades, and all of the half-truths that the media and people who claim they have expertise in that really piss me off.
and anooother thing...where was the debate? all I saw were three people gang banging. they should be banned for showing children a gang rape of a game! o_O And the whole "Kill prositute and cops" is all user choice...its not in the game as a requirement, its in there to give you a true sence of freedom in a crime rpg, and they fail to point out that for doing twisted stuff there are repercussions, your not rewarded...but punished...noobs.
@JT: get some new material, your like a broken record. Actually get a new brain, yours is defective...actually, just diaf, kthxbye ^_^
lol anyone else think its funny how he followed that bit up there^ with this
"we are training our kids to be killers, and we are teaching our sons to treat women like whores"
really doesnt help convince me that hes not a 'crazy conservative'
He was whining about his gallstone pain, and wasn't happy with the brusque treatment he received. Although, I'm sure he didn't have trouble paying for the procedure.
It's the stupid leading the blind on the Glenn Beck show.
Everyone give those morons a piece of you mind.
Second part of the video, Mr. Mckiernan got the wrong organization in supporting the link between VG violence and violent behaviour. It's so wrong. Medical research? *spams* Thompson? Well it's him anyways.
Now.. if only I could remember when videogames were invented.. must have been just after WW2, right?
Try war veteran, asshole.
Pardon? Did someone actually try to use shooting to kill in a war as some form of evidence? What, in hell's bathroom, does that have to do with anything?? IT'S WAR - not super-happy-fun-time! (sigh)
How/where did you manage to get the game?
Like most things in life, it's a decision to act in the game in a certain way. Granted, because it's a game, and I think the Greater Internet F*ckwad theory applies here, people will do it. But the fact remains that when playing the game, no one is forcing you to kill the prostitute, sleep with the prostitute, or even kill anyone. I find it disgusting that the fact that we give a choice in the game is what is being attacked.
The logic of "Just because you can, means that you will in every case," doesn't really fly with me. I know personally, I killed a couple prostitutes (whoops) but not every time. The fact of the matter is that more often than not, I made the *choice* to do something different in the game.
Apparently, people can't be trusted to make their own decisions in a video game, let alone real life ....
Now I don't agree with everything in the game, such as the prostitutes and strip clubs, but I'm letting that get in the way of a great game cause guess what.....I can avoid them! One thing I bet might of happened was glen probably asked JT to be on the show and was about to get a person for the other side, but JT more than likely freaked out and said he would only come on as long as someone else wasn't debating him. Since he's scared to be bitch slapped on TV by someone stating facts to him and has no answer to give about it.
Oh well......
Damn, I wanted to do better, but watching that video was such a mind-numbing experience that most of the creative parts of my brain had to shut down in order to survive watching it without clawing my eyes out. Sorry, Rhade.
Actually, no that's not quite true. VIolent displays are just that, displays. Serious wounds between members of the same species are uncommon, mortal ones even more so.
These guys need their heads checked, its not us gamers that can't distinguish between reality and a game, its people like GB and JT. If they really think that censoring fake murder will somehow get rid of it in real life then they are completely insane.
I did write to Glen Beck telling him the man he is championing is facing disbarment and has been banned the Florida Supreme Court for his past filings. His coverage of the game was completely one sided, biased and unfair to the gaming community. I believe he was taking the findings he was "quoting" from his ass.
I look at this clip and then think about where I seen this kind of logic before:
1)Everything JT has done or said over the years and
2) The Urban Hellraisers episode of CSI: Miami Vice.
I look at games like GTA and think, "This or a Hays Code for Video Games....I'll take GTA" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hays_code for the uninitiated.)
Although, if the Video Game industry had a Hays code, it would crumble too and Video games would be recognized as being an important part of culture.
Then he goes on with the $60 military training simulator. Again, if that is true, then why doesn't the military simply get their soldiers to play GTA for a year straight? It would save the military MILLIONS of dollars every year and the soldiers would be so well trained that the Iraq war would have been done years ago. And if it worked that well don't think the military wouldn't use it. So either it does or doesn't work. Which is it?
I personally find him a joke and simply a great advertisement tool for the game. Thanks to his show, sales will jump up.
"I was very disappointed to see your piece on Grand Theft Auto IV. I've always considered you a reliable source for a rational conservative viewpoint, but you totally screwed the pooch on this one. First, claiming that videogames are solely responsible for the increased effectiveness of the American soldier over the last sixty years is laughable. You've completely dismissed the advances made in psychology and the advanced brainwashing techniques that soldiers are subjected to in basic training. Soldiers pull the trigger because the whole of their training is aimed at that goal, not just because the targets are shaped like people. I'm also having some trouble finding the analogue between holding a large, heavy firearm, aiming it at a target shaped like a human, and learning to control it bucking and rocking in your arms as it fires lead projectiles sometimes a hundred meters away, versus lining an icon on a television set up with a target shaped like a human and pressing a button. Firing a real gun is a far more intense experience than any videogame I've played.
Your discussion of the ESRB ratings was just as flawed as the ratings themselves. A/O, if you read it from the ESRB website, differs from M by only one year, A/O is 18+, M is 17+. These age limits were never mentioned. The primary criteria for making a game A/O has always been graphic sex, of which there is little to none in the console gaming industry. The assertion that GTAIV contains graphic depictions of sex is laughable. No penis appears in GTA. No nipples, either. I've seen hotter sex scenes on prime time TV.
I think, though, the most disappointing part of this segment is that it's basically a politco circle-jerk. How could you even expect to have a discussion with a shred of journalistic integrity with no one to represent the pro-free-speech stance? "
And Thompson can;'t even begin to pretend to want the game rated AO to "protect the children".
If he did he wouldn't only be targeting Take Two and Rockstar. He just wants the game to not sell.
If our own soldiers would not shoot at people during World War I, then how did they manage to shoot people during, oh, say, the Revolutionary War? Or how about the Civil War, where they were shooting THEIR OWN FAMILY in some cases?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Shut up Glenn Beck. You moron.
I also love the claims by JT about the VT massacre & blaming it on Counterstrike & Half-Life, when the FACT of the matter is, the killer played Sonic. Smooth move Jackoff Thompson.
Seriously, why does anyone allow him to even speak anymore? He gets on camera & lies.The homicide rate doubled when television was first introduced in the 1950's? Wow...yeah, I can see how all those violent shows like "I Love Lucy", "Leave it to Beaver", "The Munsters", etc. creating mass murderers.
I also love the claims by JT about the VT massacre & blaming it on Counterstrike & Half-Life, when the FACT of the matter is, the killer played Sonic. Smooth move Jackoff Thompson.
Seriously, why does anyone allow him to even speak anymore? He gets on camera & does nothing but lie.
Oh wait! Both those interviews were anti-video game weren't they? How embarrasing!
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have fun!
LOL I get really angry watching I Love Lucy on DVD. Oh man, I couldn't stand watching the videos, so I didn't, but if they said that, then they're pretty stupid, but we already know that.
And, if Glenn really believes in that "military using games to train to kill" poop, then he and JT can kiss my wrist for all I care R.I.P CNNHN
That's CNN Headline News, the bastard offspring of the real CNN. Think of it as CNN's version of Fox.
T.O.S.: ...PHAIL HORRIBLY!!! SAY IT, B**CH!!! *Shadow draws a knife and points it at T.O.S.* AAAAAAAAAAHH!!! *T.O.S. runs away*
Shadow: Rrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Anyway, Jack, like I said, you lose.
also jack...please invite adam sesslar to you next debate...the man can put you in your place