May 2, 2008 -
Anti-game attorney Jack Thompson and Gavin McKiernan of the Parents Television Council appeared on the Glenn Beck program last night on CNN Headline News.
The first clip is Beck's opening. Thompson and McKiernan appear in the second clip.
GP: Big thanks to several GamePolitics readers who uploaded and/or pointed us to videos of the show...
The first clip is Beck's opening. Thompson and McKiernan appear in the second clip.
GP: Big thanks to several GamePolitics readers who uploaded and/or pointed us to videos of the show...



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There's something that is fundamentally different between Military training, which is meant to train you to use a firearm proficiently and properly and a videogame where-in the purpose is to be entertained, waste some time, and blow off some steam.
He cited a lot of numbers about soldiers having trouble shooting and how that changed over time because of training method changes, but he forgot to mention that in each of these wars, the training and the scenario those soldiers were put in drastically changes whether or not they could actually pull the trigger. Yes, target practice will make you a better shooter, but playing "America's Army" (which is a terrible game, by any standards) with not teach you proper gun maintenance, handling recoil, aiming, and everything you need to know to proper use a gun or any kind.
Devin Moore trained on GTA? Not this crap again. It takes a particularly crazy individual to obsess over a game like GTA, which, in it's earlier versions, was not really that great. Hell, obsession is a characteristic of psychosis, how is that not a sign? The kid wanted to kill, if it wasn't GTA, he'd have found some movie to watch over and over and over, or some web forum full of psychotics telling him to do it. If that were the case,t hough, JT wouldn't be a famous moron, and we wouldn't be in this situation right now.
I've gotta go email Glenn Beck, now, this is just too dumb.
its people like Jack Thompson, Nancy Grace (listen to her rants about the Duke lax case), and Mike Nifong that make me lose all respect in journalism/politics
Can anyone tell me what Glen's point was? Does he want the game banned? That sounds pretty fasict.
Here is a broad point to ponder: If we provide rating info for Movies\Music\Software, why are books not rated? Would Stephen King get an M or an AO?
Not a one of these guys ever brings up the fact that he's in the process of being stripped of his license, he's been tossed out of states (professionally speaking), he's never won one of these cases, Take Two forced him into a legally binding settlement that prevents him from filing any more frivolous lawsuits against them (which the Florida Supreme court's decision to ban him from filing before them again without a competent lawyer signing on with him can only reinforce).
This is also a man who lost an election in Florida to Janet Reno. One where he publically campaigned against her based mainly on his suspicion that she was a lesbian.
Even more than that, I don't think he's ever WON one of these things. But you never, EVER hear anything about that during one of these interviews. They spend the entire time making a man who's credentials would lead you to conclude he's INSANE (a position supported by the fact that the Florida bar once mandated he be examined for mental illness) look like he has a valid position.
Screw that noise.
So you have the PTC who just goes off of clips and screen shots of the worst parts of a game, Jack Thompson who we all know is bat loco going off once again on the same thing the PTC is. And Glenn Beck, the biggest moron on the CNN payroll. Sadly the clips are just repeats of what have always heard and since the "It is just one person" argument does fly and one killer represents every gamer out there I will present this as a counter argument.
I have been playing video games since I was two. By what Glenn Beck stated I should be one of the deadliest people in the world. I should have no qualms about killing cops, raping women, stealing cars, killing whores and so forth. But I have never done anything like that, unless it is on a video game I cannot shoot a gun for the life of me. I hate using violence to solve problems and believe you should only fight to defend yourself if no other option is available. I would never do anything Glenn Beck claims I have been trained for. Simply for the reason that it is only a game and it does not teach you how to kill. Now since his logic is that one represents all that means since I am a gamer who has never committed a crime in my life, then none of us do.
From what is sounds like Glenn Beck is one of those morons who wants every form of entertainment banned, just because a kid might see it. Before you trash on something guys, do your homework first. Flying off the handle only makes you look like idiots.
Even more one-sided than the FOX news Mass Effect "report" therew is no one there defending the game just a bunch of old senile farts agreeing with each other. It's nowhere near as stupid though, GTA was made for critisism
I can't help but facepalm, but we all knew it was just a matter of time.
Coronation between right wing conservative Christians and Stupidity.. abundant!
I thought he was Jewish. Anyway, I wonder if Jack Thompson was like Fenton from Home Movies when he was a kid. :D
this is all I have to say
I think I'm legally insane now. It all started off with WTF's and OMFG's due to the immense bullshit emitting from the videos. But by the second video, I slammed my head on my computer desk and started laughing at all the moronic things said. (I had headphones on, listening to it).
Shit, my mother thinks I'm going crazy now from laughing so much.
I mean, I just think it's amazing that people like this practically gets paid to spew lies and bullshit on television like this. I mean, after watching things like this, I feel as if though I'm very competent to have a job like this as it seems like just about anyone can do it. Even better considering how one sided this all is. Needs moar Adam Sessler.
There was so many false, one sided things said, I couldn't even get angry, I just laugh.
I like Glen a lot, I always watch him, but on this...he has fallen into the pit withe everyone else. But he does have a point. They fail to say how old the kids are that are playing the game, but I'm sure if there was a 12 year old who played games like this, he would grow up sort of screwed up.
I knew someone who had a little brother, he let him play gta, was not a good thing, kid was to young. like 9 or 12 or something like that. You got to admit, kids going to be a little whacked when he grows up if he continues to play games like that. He already was.
ps. if you want to stop school shootings outlaw guns not video games with guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRfpzjlZCVY
Guess then we should be asking Jack... "Why so serious?"
@GRIZZAM 512
Yeah, he's Mormon, brought it up many times, was in tears the day (or day after) the President of the LDS died a few months back, he was 97.
That and he is bearing false witness. Something that is a pretty large no no of the religion he supposedly yet very poorly follows.
Now that said, i do understand what jack Thompson is trying to do... too bad hes attacking the wrong people for the right reasons. Selling a game that is 17-18+ to minors isn't the doing of the game producers.
Outlawing guns wont solve the problem, its the same as thinking putting a ban on Hand guns would cause violent crime on streets to disappear.
Grand Theft Auto IV is a amazing game with some of the best voice acting, and directing I've ever seen. For sheer engrossing gameplay I rank it above every game I have ever played hands down.
What I would love to know is where there accusations of the game being marketed towards children is coming from? If they're talking about billboards and other "poster" type ads where any one can see them well thats the point of advertising, to get your product out to as many people as possible. Nothing within the ad's say they are advertising to minors. I also haven't seen a TV advert although to be fair I havent been watching tv although I'm fairly confident the ad's dont show up at 12 pm on Cartoon network.
I would also love to see where this graphic sex is? I have not seen it and I think you're lying to us Jacko. Lying on national television is actually a really classless and low thing to do. I'm sorry but the majority out there dont understand these things and instead of filling there heads with lies about the games why not better educate parents with the ESRB ratings and subject matter of the game? That seems much more effective in my eyes.
This has been said by a few of the other people commenting and like you I am a lifelong gamer, while I am only 20 I've been playing games since the 16 bit era and I've come out a high school grad making his way through university. I wonder when the video game brain sickness will kick in and I'll become a deranged lunatic?
These people need to give the game a try first, learn what it is they're trying to destroy. Urge parents to participate actively in what there kids enjoy, parents should parent there kids nothing short of any form of abuse (Emotional/Physical) should take that away.
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Heheh. Yeah, he's definitely not gonna air that on his show.
BHTW ths game is rated mature whichj is = to a rated R movie so if this game gets rated AO forits content then I want all movies with a hint of boobies and drinking rated NC-17.
You sir are a moron and had not played the game like I have, I have yet to see these so called sex scenes, the worse I seen so far is strippers danceing. The so called sex with your girlfirend on the game is notyhing more then a moaning sound clip and a nice view of the outside of an apartment. nothing worth noting, good luck trying to create a hot coffee II the worse you will find is warm coffee which is ironically an achievement for being invited inside the girls apartment.
one more thing to the parents, children should not be playing this, the m on the box stands for mature not math or mom please buy this for me, mature= 17 and up not 3-16. for little timmy might I suggest blue dragon instead?
"I was on60 minutes and the Glenn Beck show..."
And did anyone else think he seemed really, robotic?
At this point I'm used to the "journalists" in the mainstream mangling the fact about games, but do they really need to abuse history too?
Unfortunately, this is CNN, not Comedy Central.
The 9 crusades 1095 - 1272
Conquests of Genghis khan 1190 - 1227
War of the Sicillian Vespers 1282 - 1302
Hundred years war 1337 - 1453
Fall of Constantinople 1453
War of the roses 1455 - 1385
French Wars of religion 1562 - 1598
Thirty Years war 1618 - 1648
Bishops wars 1639 - 1640
English Civil wars 1642 - 1651
Wars of league of augsburg 1688 - 1697
War of Jenkins Ear 1739 - 1743
War of Austrian Succession 1740 - 1748
Seven Years War 1756 - 1763
US war of independance 1775 - 1783
French Revolution 1792 - 1802
Napoleonic Wars 1800 - 1815
Peninsular War 1808 - 1814
Greek War of Independance 1821 - 1828
Crimean War 1853 - 1856
American Civil war 1861 - 1865
Franco Prussian War 1870
Boer War 1880 - 1881 and 1899 - 1902
World war I 1914 - 1918
Spanish Civil War 1936 - 1939
World war II 1939 - 1945.
Glen Broker needs to get his facts straight, one of the baser level instincts of mankind is to kill another man if he gains power, women or safety. So what if 'gun inflicted' wounds were low in world war I i have just stated close to a millennium of wars in which COUNTLESS individuals have died.
Why were there fewer gun shot based casualties in ww1 than in ww2, Simply put ww2 was a far larger war and in ww1 most nations were ill-equipped for a war of the magnitude of ww1. Most nations saw WW2 coming and were able to prepare... i mean fark Churchill was mustering an army and support before it was officially declared.
Causes of Death in ww1:-
Disease
Exposure
Shrapnel
Mustard Gas
Using Infantry as Cannon fodder (Gallipoli anyone?)
And the Tactics for commonwealth forces mainly being march thousands of men across no mans land and getting them torn up by incoming enemy fire.
This is CNN Headline News, whole different network (which brings you quality programming like Nancy "missing white girls" Grace and Glen "I wish I was popular so bad" Beck).
Counter Half-life Jack? Get your murder simulators straight!
Scariest Joker ever!
Where the hell does he get this bullshit that only 15% of combat soldiers fired back in WW2. That is just one of the most asinine things I've ever heard. Has he even spoken to any WWII veterens? Why doesn't he go ask some people who work in the military to come on and talk about that instead.
This guy is not a real conservative. He's a paranoid authoritarian moralist. What's even worse is he didn't give the other side equal air time. In addition to Jackhole he also put on a represenative from a special interest group that is clearly anti-game.