Tivo Alert: Grand Theft Childhood Authors on Glenn Beck Tonight

May 5, 2008 -
Last week we were treated to Jack Thompson's view of Grand Theft Auto IV on the Glenn Beck program.

This evening we'll hear what should be quite a different perspective as Drs. Cheryl Olson and Lawrence Kutner, authors of Grand Theft Childhood: The Surprising Truth About Violent Video Games will appear on Beck's show.

(CNN Headline News, 7PM & 9PM).

Comments

Hoorah. Thank you Glenn. Thank you for calling me a loser because I am a gamer and a game blogger. You just lost one more viewer. I hope your show gets canned.

@King of Fiji

Hella. Has anyone here ever actually thought he was some sort of "threat"?

how loopy is this guy? lower gas prices caused by regulating the gas cartel is bad because it would cause more people to buy gas but lower gas prices caused by more oil drilling is good?

Yeah, raise your hands if you would rather be a loser than a fearmongering lier.

*raises hand*

Oh yeah, I forgot about how he said that gamer bloggers have no life. I like it when people spout off some broad comment about a group of people for no real reason.

All people on CNN are douche bags

See what I did there?

Oh, forgot to mention that Cheryl Olson kicked ass.

Really need to get John Stewart on Glenn's show so he can pull a Crossfire on his a$$...

@GRIZZAM
No but I'm just saying its fun how he formulates his show to be obviously unfair towards those on his show with opposing oppinons.

Also got to love how he expresses his oppinion on things on the same leve of a 6 year old.

Glen: They're loosers.

Very mature Glenn Beck.

Sorry for the typos.

I didn't watch it. What did the autjors have to say?

I notice that his website is glaringly devoid of any sort of forums to comment on his show...

At least he didn't kill her viewpoint, but I don't think he soaked in anything she said. Considering his tone of the rest of this segment and the other stories he is covering, I wonder why he even put that part in to begin with.

He couldn't care less, what anyone thinks. Just by making the last few shows he's succeeded in enlarging the viewing audience of tonight's show, and ensuring that a shedload of us will watch any further video-gamer trashing he decides to do.

Plus he gains notoriety from any articles that reference this show and his bias. Because some groups will still agree with him and see this as a bunch of angry 'losers' hitting out at people who don't agree.

Like I said, best to just ignore him.

Loser ? To paraphrase Bugs Bunny, "This means war!"

@Paul: Basically the author said what any gamer would like to hear. She contradicted what Glen claimed about the game and in retaliation Mr. Beck rolled his eyes and called gamers "losers".

Ha, so I'm a loser and you don't even know me? Jesus this guy is beyond reason.

Seriously though, nobody do some juvenille crap like swarm his books with bad reviews or sent him hate mail with the grammar of a retarded 3 year old.

Glenn Beck is the father of all lies.

From what the segment was entitled and the little promos, I thought we were talking about the discrepancy about M and AO and what that means I retail. He glazed over it when he muttered about Walmart and God forbid a family place sells an M game or whatever (Does he always talk that fast? I only half caught what he said.)

I'm extremely glad I'm purchased Grand Theft Childhood on day one. Olson did great and pretty much owned Glenn when she stated that boys didn't even know you could pick up prostitutes. I don't know how many users on GamePolitics live in Southern California but Bill Handel from KFI interviewed the other author of the book around April 29. It's about a 10 minute listen if you choose to download it, but it's fair and millions listen to this station. Here it is:

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/1...

@jccalhoun graduate student

how loopy is this guy? lower gas prices caused by regulating the gas cartel is bad because it would cause more people to buy gas but lower gas prices caused by more oil drilling is good?


Actually, there is some logic to that. The first is lowering prices by forcing the companies to reduce their profit margins. The second is lowering prices by increasing supply. The second is likely to be better in the long run (except to the environment, but that's a separate argument.)

The funny thing is, I'd be willing to bet that Glenn Beck was taken aback by their stance on the issue. When he heard the title of the book, he probably thought, "Oh goodie, another good ole' conservative, literary masterpiece on the evils of videogames!". I doubt he knew that they'd even argue with him.

@ GP:

Speaking of JT, there's been no update on his bar case. There was a letter online he tried to remove or defeat Judge Dava Tunis as a judge. Something sent to the police chief of Florida or sheriff. He said the video game 'violence' and pornography was her fault. What happened there? Is the judge off the case? Any word on this?

eh, Glenn Beck is no Bill O'rly, but Cheryl Olson is no Adam Sessler either.

Honestly, my mom listens to his radio show and said he has changed a lot since he got the TV show.

she gladly informed me that he was whining yesterday about his wife not letting his son having toy guns, because "Boys will be boys" and if we didnt give them plastic guns they would pretend sticks were guns.

lmao, no digital violence, but plastic facsimiles of REAL guns are ok.

I implore one of these talking heads to have someone who is intelligent and actually knows about the game(Adam Sessler, Geoff Keeley, hell, even Adam Perrera) to be on

methinks they took one look at the name of the book thought she was anti-gaming and put her on the show man will they be in for a surprise.

@Father Time
I got that same feeling too.

oh yeah, i havnt got my next-gen yet....is there even really any nudity in GTA 4?

Wow this guy is unbelievable. The author got like 2 minutes to say anything. And that was all while he was interrupting her with condescending remarks. Compare that to the amount of air time Jack Thompson got last time. I think he goes over to out Jackie boy's house every night to suck his saggy nutsack. But hey, we are loosers? You sir, are a washed up reporter that gets very minimal attention from anyone that matters. Thank you for reminding us how dumb America really is.

The rating says that it is "Rated 'M' due to Intense Violence, Blood, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Partial Nudity, Use of Drugs and Alcohol"

So there is "partial" nudity whatever that means. I topless partial or is a bikini partial?

@GRIZZAM512
I somewhat agree with you. We really need to step up our game. I agree with you about not sending out hate mail and not bookstorming. But what to do now?

"oh yeah, i havnt got my next-gen yet….is there even really any nudity in GTA 4?"


Fully clothed "strippers" is pretty much it. Nothing more risque than you would see on any public beach.

Oh noes! Ban beaches!

@MR.B

Be upstanding citizens. That's it. That's all we gotta do. Unless we start acting like the sociopaths that we're expected to be, we can't lose.

@DragonDefonce

Beck is just a sensational journalist trying to win viewers over with his "unique" view of politics and views on society. He makes brash statements and interjects personal bias on what he covers, and has guest speakers on that will agree with his viewpoints. Olsen was given almost no time to speak because it was a short segment, and she didn't agree with him, compared to the others on the program who got more time by appealing to his ego and agreeing with what he had to say.

I would have accepted the segment if he hadn't dismissed video gamers, and video gamers who blog, as idiots.

Grizzam is right, when we mailbomb him and such it just makes us look like what they want us to look like...

@GRIZZAM 512/MR.B

Upstanding citizens can e-mail him or his program with their views or comments. It might not do anything, and chances are will be dismissed, but if he has the ability to make social commentary on those of us watching, we have the ability to make social commentary on the one creating the content. Free speech.

But I do agree, hate mail and bookstorming are not options any civil person should do. It will only reinforce people like Beck's opinions on gamers in general.

I'd need to watch it again but it looked like he might have been saying "what was that?" When the segment was over and they went to commercial.

Mail gets him to do more stories on it because he thinks it will get ratings. On the other hand, if CNN gets enough messages then they will know better than to piss off gamers.

just watched it Glenn got man handled at the end if you ask me

For the record, Glenn's show is not a news show, it's more of a talk show so he's kinda supposed to interject his views. I still think he's a bit of a jackass though, not because we dissagree, but because he acts like a bully to those guests who dissagree with him.

@Anonymous2U:

It was a letter to the official entity responsible for supervising elections in which Jack claims Judge Tunis (who is up for re-election this year) shouldn't be allowed to run as an incumbent judge because she doesn't have a valid loyalty oath. However, Jack fails to mention that, if his claim is correct as to Judge Tunis, then neither would 99% of the other judges up for re-election. I suspect that Jack's letter will end up in the same place as his letters to the FBI do (i.e., the wastepaper basket).

Do you know what? I have to compare his abusive comments about individuals who play games with his own actions.

(1) Arrogant and abusive. Clearly, not an honorable or ethical attitude towards others.

(2) Bigoted. A blind attitude towards a group of Humans based on a limited or ignorant view of those individuals based on some common factor. Whether it's a particular skin color, religion, sexuality, like of a particular type of music, genre of literature, sport, or any other number of factors. It is that limited or ignorant view of that comonality that makes him a bigot.

(3) The clear attempt to limit information from being passed to others. Clearly, he knew his argument cannot stand up to discussion. Either during his interviews where he prevents the opposing views from being as heard as his is. Morever, his complaint about bloggers discussing anything he is opposed to shows his desire to spread ONLY HIS view and not let opposing views be thoroughly heard.

Frankly, anything negative he has to say about me as an individual, especially since the previous 3 facts are in place regarding him, amounts to diddly squat.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

I'd also like to state that I hate being called a "gamer". I only use such titles for lack of a better term. I do so much more than play games and blog, so the term sells myself and many others a little short. Also, in defense of Glenn's statement about bloggers, If the only gamers I had ever met or spoken with were a-holes, I might say that too.

As to emailing Beck, it's as useful as emailing John Bruce, Fred Phelps, the racist Al Sharpton, or even Osama Bin Laudin.

Let him prattle. Or better yet, maybe we need a Point-Counter-Point to air on YouTube or something, similar to what Adam Sessler did after the NPR interview.

Beck has had his say and his arguments can't stand up to a real discussion, as I mentioned before in the other post. So, do it right back by publishing intelligent comments in the Public eye on video. Seems only fair. Especially since it's clear he doesn't operate fairly and has no intention to.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

One way to defeat the anti-gaming forces is to continue to plunk down your hard-earned scrilla for gaming software and hardware. Twenty years ago, when the opponents of rap music (including Jack Thompson) realized they weren't putting much of a dent in that gazillion dollar industry but, rather, sales of rap music were steadly rising, they shut up and found some other nascent industry to terrorize. Unfortunately, that industry is gaming. So, you may want to consider purchasing two copies of GTAIV -- one for yourself and another for a friend who can't afford it.

Also, regarding his comment that this game might effect the attitudes of young kids towards women, all I can say is this: Unless you've never been around an actual woman in real life and don't have a mother who isn't a hooker or something, you outta know better than to think that all women are whores. Kinda how a single stereotype of a black dude isn't gonna make you a racist unless that's all you have to go on, and if that's all you know, that's what the problem is.

CNN Headline News - Rated "M" For Money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKFpwWdpl_U

On the issue of tittles and name-calling and Beck's ignorance towards others based on the "groups" they belong to:

"I Am Me" by Virginia Satir

(Virginia came to write this poem when she was working with an angry fifteen-year-old girl who had a lot of questions about herself and what life meant.)

In all the world, there is no one exactly like me.
There are persons who have some parts like me,
but no one adds up exactly like me.

Therefore, everything that comes out of me
is authentically mine because I alone choose it.
I own everything about me

Therefore, everything that comes out of me
is authentically mine because I alone choose it.
I own everything about me
my body, including everything it does;
my mind, including all its thoughts and ideas;
my eyes, including the images of all they behold;
my feelings, whatever they may be...
anger,
joy,
frustration,
love,
disappointment,
excitement
my mouth, and all the words that come out of it
polite,
sweet or rough,
correct or incorrect;
my voice, loud or soft.
And all my actions, whether they be to others or to myself.

I own my fantasies, my dreams, my hopes, my fears.
I own all my triumphs and successes,
all my failures and mistakes.
Because I own all of me I can become intimately acquainted with me.
By doing so I can love me and be friendly with me in all parts.
I can then make it possible for all of me to work in my best interests.

I know there are aspects about myself that puzzle me,
and other aspects that I do not know.
But as long as I am friendly and loving to myself,
I can courageously and hopefully, look for solutions to the puzzles
and for ways to find out more about me.

However I look and sound, whatever I say and do, and whatever I think
and feel at a given moment in time is me.
This is authentic and represents where I am in that moment in time.
When I review later how I looked and sounded, what I said and did, and how I thought and felt, some parts may turn out to be unfitting.
I can discard that which is unfitting, and keep that which proved fitting,
And invent something new for that which I discarded.

I can see, hear, feel, think, say and do.
I have the tools to survive, to be close to others, to be productive,
and to make sense and order out of the world of people
and things outside of me.
I own me, and therefore I can engineer me.

I am me, and I am okay.

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Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

He goes on LIVE TV and said that he did not care about Video Games and called Video Game Bloggers losers. I do have to say I was surprised that Dr. Cheryl Olson got to say more than five words and spoke the truth. Quick and did not get mad but only for a moment in the start. It was not long but it did it's job.

And don't let the Becks and Thompsons of the world fool you into thinking they're really interested in the video game controversy being resolved because they aren't. That's kinda like a cop advocating for zero crime but who knows deep in their heart that if their wish actually came true, they'd be out of a job.

@JackDon'tKnowJack

Kinda like Master Chief after the war. :)

@Glenn Beck

I may be a loser but your a Wiener
 
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Kronodebate. Becaus apparently people who only post on Reddit are supposed to police twitter before they're allowed to question anything about the people involved.09/18/2014 - 10:40pm
KronoI highly doubt many, if any are using journalistic integrity as a cover for harassment. The people harassing are essentially trolls. They aren't interested in subtle. More often it's othe other way around. People use "but X is being harassed" to shut down09/18/2014 - 10:38pm
Andrew EisenAnd exacerbating everything is the fact that all the cries of ethics violations have been obnoxious and easily proven false.09/18/2014 - 8:59pm
Andrew EisenProblem is, I would imagine, the sheer number of people who are using journalistic integrity as a cover for their harassing actions or only bringing it up on the false pretense of journalistic integrity.09/18/2014 - 8:47pm
Andrew EisenHaving said that, I can certainly see how one would be frustrated if they truly just wanted to talk about journalistic integrity and someone said they were one of the people harassing Sarkeesian, Quinn and others (though I've seen no examples of that).09/18/2014 - 8:44pm
KronoThat's been the common refrain, that talk of journalism ethics is just an excuse to harass people.09/18/2014 - 8:44pm
KronoLines like "like a partial compromise with the howling trolls who’ve latched onto ‘ethics’ as the latest flag in their onslaught against evolution and inclusion." are taring everyone questioning the ethics as a harasser.09/18/2014 - 8:43pm
Andrew EisenKrono - Except, none of the articles were talking about gamers complaining about journalist ethics, let alone called them white male misogynists. They were talking about the gamers who were harassing others.09/18/2014 - 8:36pm
Kronomakes plenty of sense. It's rather hard to dismiss someone as a white guy running a sock puppet when they've posted proof they're a woman, or black, or another minority.09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronothat any critics of journalists were white guys that hated women, and could be dismissed as such. It seems to have helped some. It's kind of difficult to maintain the white guy narrative in the face of a bunch of women and non-white guys. So the tag09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronothat, someone vented on a #gamergate 4chan thread about being dismissed like that. The suggestion they got in return was to organize their own hashtag in response, with #NotYourShield being suggested. Thus the tag came into use to combat the undercurrent09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronomuch more general problem. And while several of the articles were fairly tame, they spured a bunch of people to dismiss any critics of the journalism involved as misogynistic men. Usually with insults aimed at the geek stereotype. After about a week of09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Andrew EisenSleaker - Not sure what that has to do with anything but yeah, the gender percentages differ depending on how the study defines what a gamer is.09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
KronoThe rhetoric pushed by the spearheading articles that the "gamers" complaining about journalist ethics were just angry white male misogynists, insulted a lot of people that were previously fairly neutral. It made it go from a Kotaku problem, to a09/18/2014 - 8:31pm
Krono@Andrew I'm not surprised overlap exists. I expect much of it is a rush to jump on the bandwagon, either by reporting on the original articles, or rushing out their own. The point is that was a major flashpoint, much bigger than the reddit mass deletion.09/18/2014 - 8:31pm
Sleaker@AE - well the gamer trend was described with stats on Factual Femenist. Only 1 in 7 males plays games 20+ hrs going into college vs 1 in 40 females. So gaming is definitely still male dominated despite fake stats trying to say otherwise.09/18/2014 - 8:30pm
Craig R.Do conspiracies ever make sense? The fact that people are now having to defend themselves against nutjob websites like Breitbart.com shows how far down into the rabbit hole we've all been forcibly dragged.09/18/2014 - 7:05pm
Michael ChandraBut when the mountain obviously exists...09/18/2014 - 5:49pm
Michael ChandraMind you, if someone makes a mountain out of a molehill with a secret agenda as motive, it'd be fine.09/18/2014 - 5:48pm
Andrew EisenOkay, so I guess I'm not making sense of #notyourshield because it doesn't make any sense.09/18/2014 - 5:28pm
 

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