Game Biz Veteran Criticizes ESRB, Calls for Congressional Regulation of Games

May 14, 2008 -

John Douglas, a former game industry worker who says he has played over 7,000 titles, has once again criticized violence in video games.

As reported by Christian news site OneNewsNow, Douglas has called upon Congress to create legislation regulating video games. From the report:

Douglas... contends that the recent release of Grand Theft Auto IV shows that the video game industry will not regulate itself. The former police officer points out that the game has received an "M" (Mature) rating, which means that anyone under the age of 17 years should not play the game...

Douglas is especially critical of the ESRB, and advised parents not to trust its ratingss:

Currently the people rating these games for the ESRB don't even play these games. There's needs to be some kind of common-sense application that's put forth as to how these games are rated... Why isn't there a law to prevent it? Because every time the state passes a law that says children cannot play these games, it's [labeled as] a crime. The media coalition and the industry itself, they hire attorneys, they file an appeal, they find a judge, and they have it overthrown saying it's a violation of the First Amendment.

Douglas, who now runs Grand Design Productions, a "family friendly" animations studio, refers to violent games as "spiritual cyanide" in a video interview.


Comments

Veteran Scmeteran

John Douglas?   More like Cock Douchemunch, amirite?

 

This guy puts the FAIL in FAmILy friendly.

 

 

/groan

dude, just, just no alright the Fail here is palatable
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

The success of a $60+ piece

The success of a $60+ piece of software proves it was marketed to children?   Kids must be rolling in mad allowance $$ to pull that off...

Opinionated Spew

"But the success of that game, says Douglas, is proof that the distributors of violent and sexually explicit games target children and adolescents."

When will these dinosaurs understand that video games are not just for kids???  The success of the game is not proof of ANYTHING other than GTA IV was a popular game release.

*sigh*

Makes me wonder if that isn't an alien, mind controlling hair piece he's got on making him say such idiotic things.

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

It's an assimilator for the

It's an assimilator for the Hair Collective

 

Fun will be assimilated, resistance is futile

Nice Toupee jackass did your

Nice Toupee jackass did your mother get it for you?? OK back to business, the guy blames the ESRB for kids playing violent video games, blame the parents that bought the games without looking on the back to see what the game contains such as Violence, Brief Nudity, Blood and Gore, Sexual Content, Crude Humor, Cartoon Violence. That is just a few things a respectable parent would look for to see if their kid can play the game or not.

Can you smell it?

Nothing quite like the smell of ignorance in the mornin' eh?

/sigh

Who is this neo-con ass hat?

Who is this guy, where did he come from, and how do we fight the damage he is trying to cause to the industry? It sounds like he is another neo-con scumbag who has access to national TV--that is DANGEROUS my friends. 

@ New Here

Thankfully we've had pretty good luck explaining the content of a game to a parent, even to some hillarious results in the past.  My favorite is probably the mom about 2 weeks ago that brought her son, jumping and happy, to buy him this "God of War II" he keeps talking about.  I told her about the violence, bloodshed, taking of limbs, etc.  She was fine with it.  Then I dropped the bomb of there being a single, small section where you can see a group of woman naked from the waste up.  She looked at me, at her son, then back at me, grabbed his arm and DRAGGED his ass out of the store.  If a look could kill, that kid would have inverted my entire body and blown me up.  I just smilled.  When you can make a game out of keeping M rated games out of kids hands, it never seems to be a big issue.

So you just pwned a n00b.

So you just pwned a n00b. LOL

Many years ago I did the inverse thing. I convinced a parent to buy to his 8 year old son Killer Instinct for SuperNes instead Super Mario Kart.

Hehe, that's one way of creating "Awareness"

    Interesting how the violence was no biggy, but the tiny bit of nudity got the kid dragged out of the store.
Glad you're enjoying yourself doing what should be done.

Since the parents themselves don't seem to care at all, unless someone actively tells them.

But what surprises me, is that you need to even tell them, those labels (especially the ESRB ones, i own a small number of US imports next to my mostly PEGI rated collection) are very clear on what the content of the game involves. And in the case of God of War II, the nudity is mentioned, i'm quite sure of that.

Anyway, thank you for sharing the story and bringing a smile to my face.

Glad to make you smile

Yeah, I do enjoy stopping the kids from getting the games, but thankfully I have seen more parents take an active role in what there kids play.  One parent surprised the heck out of us all the other day by buying the game anyways because the PARENTS wanted to play thru it themselves to see if there son could really play it or not.  I was glad to see that they didn't just drop it in one direction or another, but was willing to scope it out for themselves and make the decision as the childs parents if he could play a certain game or not. 

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Christians.. FACK OFF.

Christians.. FACK OFF.

Y'know what...

Y'know, I'm not christian myself but people I know are, and my girlfriend is, and you know what? They're not like this little asshole. So why not stop stereotyping, not all Christians are bad people, though I may not agree with much of what they are taught.
You are REALLY not helping any. >.>

You're quite right.  Just

You're quite right.  Just as a handful of people who happen to play games and happen to commit acts of violence are by no means indicative of a trend (or any kind of causal relationship, for that matter), the acts of one explicitly self-identified Christian are not representative of Christians as a whole.


However, I think the problem is that a good 99% of the time (and no, I honestly don't think I'm exaggerating with that percentage), self-identified Christians tend to be the zealotous, intolerantly critical types.  No one prefaces a moderate or accepting opinion with "I'm a Christian, and...".  Statements that start that way are just about invariably followed by words of ignorance and oppression, when it comes to video games.  Thus, you get a lot of kneejerk reactions to anyone who feels the need to let people know that they're Christian.

Technically, I'm Christian (the most non-practicing kind imaginable), and I believe in certain Christian values (don't kill, don't steal...I'm sure there are others but I'm at a loss), but I never, ever identify myself that way, because it's wholly irrelevant to my views on just about everything.  But if I did start off my statement with "I'm a Christian [gamer], and I believe...", I'd expect a good number of eyerolls and /ignores to be tossed my way, simply based on a pattern of deserving behavior.

I retract my statement.

I retract my statement. Neo-Cons, Fuck off.

So, upholding the

So, upholding the constitution is a crime, now?  Good to know.

He needs some regulation on

He needs some regulation on his hair.

"that anyone under the age


"that anyone under the age of 17 years should not play the game..."


So the ESRB rating should be the universal indicator and not the parents? I'm all for keeping mature related media out of the hands of children, but it's a parental judgement call that should decide whether or not a minor should engage in mature media.

As a current GameStop

As a current GameStop employee let me just say this..


"Sir, or Mam, Just to let you know the game your son/daughter is buying is rated Mature for ..........

It is one of the most controversal games out.." - Me

" I Don't care" - "He's already played them" - "I think hes smart to understand its bad" - "O the game can't be all that bad" - "It's Rated Mature for what" - Parents

"You go to a strip club, you pick up prostatutes, and run around killing cops" - Me
"Alright, yeah you can get it" - Parents

That is my typical day since the game has been released. I've been working there for 2 years now and only 3x's that I can remember have I told someones parents the game is M rated and they then told there kid no.
I've sold GTA to a 10 year old and the parents reaction when I told them it was simply. He's old enough!



I just watched the new Rambo

I just watched the new Rambo movie, you know the one where he shoots a jeep mounted 50 cal at a bloke in the driver seat and the guy just explodes into a torrent of blood, and I'm wondering how thats not drawing more attention than the content of a game like GTA4 or COD4. Oh wait, thats not for kids is it?

If this bloke wants more faith based games, maybe he could make a total conversion of GTA, you run around converting people, doing faith based drivebys shouting hymns at sinners.

Also, bad form to bring up appearances in an intellectual debate but what the hell is wrong with that guy's hair?? It looks like he got it by mugging a lego man.

Ha Ha Ha

HA! HA! HA! HA! mugging a lego man, that comment is full of EPIC WIN

what the fuck is wrong with the bold button and, presumably, the other buttons

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Or perhaps...

Or perhaps in his "grand design" company he should do something more historically accurate, like a modern day crusade against other religions, or some sort of inquisition (because it's fine to torch or hack people who don't agree with your religion).

Damn hypocrite. Sorry if I sound intolerant, but I'll never forgive the crimes made in the name of "faith".

This nobody again?

Ah yes, Jack Thompson's whistle blower who was going to deliver a devastating blow to the industry. *chuckle*


"The media coalition and the industry itself, they hire attorneys, they file an appeal, they find a judge, and they have it overthrown saying it's a violation of the First Amendment."

I wonder what he's complaining about here, I really can't tell if he's being sarcastic. He's castigating the creators of a piece of art for defending their constitutional rights? Has it occured to him that the fact they are overthrown for violating the first amendment is not because of some underhand or conspiratory decision between the industry and judges, but simply because the proposed laws are violations of the first amendment!

I'm not surprised though, people like this will ignore obvious explanations in favour of bashing what they don't like/understand. Look at Jack for clear evidence of this. It wasn't Cho Seung Hui's mental problems or the fact that this certifiably unstable person could get a gun easily that led to Virginia Tech, it was Video games! It wasn't the physical and sexual abuse and constant bullying that led Codey Posey to shoot his father and family, it was Video games! Devin Moore? Not the troubled childhood or the fact that he was a criminal, video games!

lol

Ahaha wow Ilike the way you talk lol and very nice way of putting it ahah. You wouldnt mind if i quoted you and what u said for my senior project would you? Since I need peoples reaction and opinions on such events.

Oops, that last anonymous

Oops, that last anonymous comment was supposed to be mine.

These new forms are messing with me...

@another guy named waffles

"I am a 17 year old guy simply playing violent games I don't go out and shoot everyone I see after I have played a violent game."


But as Jack Thompson has said once: you are not a reliable statistic as you are only a very small sample out of millions of gamers.

no way

AH! HA! HA! HA! HA! are you fucking serious, did he really say that, LMAO that is hilarious
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Oh no italics hell

Maybe this</i> will fix it?

It's true though, saying

It's true though, saying you're a 17 year old gamer and you haven't shot anyone really doesn't mean anything. Just because you haven't doesn't mean others won't. In fact, it's equally likely that you're the exception to the rule and that unlike the vast majority of gamers who are violent, you're not. Now, we know that gamers are not more likely to be violent because of studies using large samples. But I just wanted to call attention to this common statistical fallacy.

In fact, it's equally

In fact, it's equally likely that you're the exception to the rule

It is? So I suppose the chances of winning the lottery are 50/50, you either win it or you don't.



right

Right you are I totally agree but everything needs proof so why dont they prove it that violent games make minors become more violent other than just point fingers without any proof or support.

i agree with Cheater87

I really agree with you but I for one think that games dont make minors become violent but then again it really does depend on how the minor thinks. I am a 17 year old guy simply playing violent games I don't go out and shoot everyone I see after I have played a violent game. But it really is up to the parents of the minor if they like them play or not thats my opinion. (and I'm doing my senior project on violent games and minors would be nice if i got some more background information).

Bastard*

While they're at it,regulate music and movies and books too,so the ydon't feel left out from all the attention!*

"Currently the people rating

"Currently the people rating these games for the ESRB don't even play these games."


What? Isn't that what they do? Play the game then rate it? I guess movie ratings happen the same way, look at the title then rate it? Come on.

Nope

No, they don't play the games, they watch selected segments from the games. They have a quick enough turnaround that edits to the game can be made to get the desired rating without pushing back a release date signifigantly(Most of the time).  It's not uncommon for a game to be rated multiple times.



No they don't play the game

The ratings system is a self regulating system. But this isn't as bad as it sounds. The thing is, as with movies, the developers don't just make a game, submit it and then find out what rating the game gets. They know the rating they want right at the start of development. The entire game is written knowing what the requirements are and targeting the game at that age rating. The actual people doing the rating are just there to provide a common frame of reference. The studio will send videos of the most violent scenes, and if the ESRB agrees with the rating the studio wants then the game gets that rating. Otherwise the game either gets a different rating or, more likely, the game gets changed so that it does meet the requirements. But it works. The studios don't want to sell violent games to children! There's nothing to gain by circumventing the ratings system. If they wanted to do that then they simply wouldn't bother getting it rated. It's entirely voluntary.

This guy...

Isn't he the same guy who'se "vetran" status is accredited to about 10 years of being a QA Tester for Atari, and said there should be be more "faith-based" titles in addition to all video games being "family-friendly"?


There was another article on GP about this guy a while ago, wasn't there?

Yep, he's the one

"Isn't he the same guy who'se "vetran" status is accredited to about 10 years of being a QA Tester for Atari"

Yep, that's him. This dude is nothing but an out-of-touch jackass (to borrow a phrase from The Daily Show). He's as much of an industry veteran as am I with my 25 years of playing video games.

*Sighs* The video game

*Sighs* The video game industry is doing a great job the problem is....THE PARENTS!!!! THEY keep buying their kids games that they are too young for. Stop playing the blame game!!!!!

Who?

Alright, who is this guy, where did he work in the industry, and what did he do?  Hopefully it turns out he was Atari's janitor or something.  Seems he's had a couple careers in his lifetime.


Also, there's the obvious refutation of his claims by the recent FTC report, which shows that the industry does a decent job of regulating itself.

 
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