GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

May 20, 2008

GameCyte has posted a two-part video interview with State Sen. Leland Yee (D), architect of California's contested 2005 video game law.

That legislation, which was ruled unconstitutional by a U.S. District Court judge in August, 2007, is currently under appeal.

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Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

Is it just me or does he seem to stutter and talk in circles a lot? As far as I'm hearing here, they just seem to be focused on the fact that games are interactive. I should find the specific reasons his bill was deemed unconstitutional. Was it the fact that this bill contained the "Fine parents for allowing their kids to play" portion, or was it purely a "Kids can't buy." bill? 

I can agree with his position on the ESRB as of late, especially with GTA 4's rating. The ESRB has some issues since it is paid by the ESA, but I disagree with him in terms of "snippets" mainly because there are literally hundereds of hours of gameplay, it's impossible to cover every bit of detail.

His rolling into the reports of Columbine shootings and things like that kinda irks me as well. "You never heard about", because it wasn't reported. His statement about the first grader only makes me roll my eyes, where were the parents in that situation?

[8:20]"..but in all of the psychological literature, there has been a consistent report of a correlation between playing these games and violent behavior, so that is undisputed."

Let's look up "disputed" shall we? Wiki:
A controversy or dispute occurs when parties actively disagree, argue about, or debate, a matter of opinion. Controversies can range in size from private disputes between two individuals to large-scale disagreements between societies.

So he can't be saying it is undisputed, because it blatantly is. He is basically saying that a study that shows no real causal relationship between two things should be treated as such. Even when data suggests the otherway. It's basically him saying that "Although you have data that shows correlation, I'm going to force you to act according to my correlation-based data in order to 'err on the side of safety'."

What is even more interesting is how he completely dodged the America's Army question.

 

 

---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians.

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

"Is it just me or does he seem to stutter and talk in circles a lot?"

Its not just you.

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

I'm going to have to disagree. He did go back alot of adjetives like "ultra-violent", "First Amendment", and "interactivity". But I think it was only to show what hes concerned and ONLY concerned with. Its like a police interagation. Everyone asking him all these questions and hes basically saying, "Look, its like a said before...."

At least he is not doing in the Jack Thompson form:

Interviewer: *what ever question you can think of*

J.T.: "Wellllllllll when I was representing this person in this case and I predicted Columbine....."

 

I think this video help me see that Yee isn't THAT bad. We just happen to disagree about how it should be done. You know?

That being said, there was a lot of contridictions in his answers. It seems that he only wants to do things the way he wants to and thats it. Even if there is evidence to the contrary.

 

 

 

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

Wow, my first first.

"...you didn’t hear about college students shooting and mowing down a number of their fellow students..."

Is he talking about Virginia Tech here?  Because it has been conclusively proven that that guy ("cho," was it?) did not play any video games at all.  And the quoted FBI stats (which are backed up by the DoJ's stats) seem to be a pretty clear indicator of the non-violent nature of the current generation of U.S. juveniles.

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

I had first, but it got flagged as spam after editing it too much. Beh. Should show up soon, I was picking apart his arguments bit by bit, hence the edits.

---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians.

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

Much focus on the idea that the interactive nature of videogames makes them more influential on people. However a BBFC study found the exact opposite is true: Because you need to interact and take action for the game to progress you never forget that you are experiencing a fantasy and so you are always aware of the difference between real and virtual.

BBFC study

Do you have a link to that study?

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

I find it funny he said he is "pro" first ammendment but is also "pro" banning video games. Irony :P

Yee

Yee is a refreshingly intelligent critic of violent videogames. However, there is a flaw with his logic for backing this legislation. I really don't like his disregard of statistics. He dismisses them when they do not support his claim, but instead points to anecdotal evidence. His concerns for WHY violent games are bad for children sound nice and all, but when all you have left is to site “well, this one time some kid did this… and we think it’s because of videogames,” your argument looses much of its strength.

Interactivity and crime statistics: my research opinion

Quite an interesting argument about interactive vs. non-interactive activities. However, whatever the concept or mechanism they use to support their point of view, the alleged effects are still the same, past or present. Experts in the past use the argument that FANTASIES from comic books and novels taught people to imitate and act on what they read. So I think relying on a unique feature (i.e. interactivity) of a new media isn't convincing.

Furthermore, I did a small literature search for studies looking at interactive vs. non-interactive video games. Of the few studies I found, there were no differences at all between passive watching and active playing of a violent video game (Griffiths, 1999; Tamborini et al., 2004). Tell me if you found otherwise.

I have a counter-argument about his response on the FBI statistics: what if other factors influence (such as gang violence) that influence that kid to bring his gun to school and what if that kid is an isolated case? Or how about Colombine being a major influence in the drop of crime rate? And I do hate using anecdotes to support any arguments.

However, I do agree that parents should play a central role in socializing children's media literacy in general and that ESRB should be improved.

 

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee part1

 

Pushing buttons hurts real human beings? WHAT?

So games should be delayed by years or their ratings don't count? MMOs never end, some single player games are hundreds of hours long...

He hasn't read the only major study done on actual kids and talks about 'all' the data other then that pointing to kids being affected... Is he retarded? He says that 'all' this other data, which was gathered from adults shows correlations always(not true but lets ignore that for now) so because there are some correlations he wants us to simply assume that there is a causation even though it has never been found. I guess the answer to my last question is a yes...

Its fine for the military to recruit little kids but violent games are bad?

The fact that violent crime levels among youth are dropping like stones according to FBI doesn't matter because he is certain that violent games are causing a plague of violence...hmmm... I think he is getting senile... His evidence is that no gun zones (zones were people who legally own guns and have concealed carry permits aren't allowed to defend themselves) have apparently become targets for disturbed or clinically insane murderous criminals some of which (not all) played video games... hmm didn't this 'plague' start AFTER teachers with concealed carry permits were banned from carrying their guns into the schools? Also these things just didn't get reported before that is why we are hearing about it now, we are actually paying attention now...

Most studies don’t see a difference between interactive and non-interactive media... some find that interactive ones influence people LESS then non-interactive...

So to sum up his argument:

"The issue is not censorship, I support the first amendment, again I support the first amendment, we must ban parents from buying these games for their kids..."

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

Ok his argument on interactive vs. non-interactive is crap.  Here's an example why.  If you further that point then you'd be saying that a car, cell phone, and computer are more deadly weapons than a knife because they're interactive.

-Loudspeaker
"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

Don't be dense. Thats not what he's saying. Think of him as a child psychologist before politician.

I think what he is saying is that your brain will make certain connections to certain actions.

Example: Lets say theres a game where I kill someone everytime they do a certain action to me. Lets say that action is something like pushing me in the game. So everytime someone pushes me I'm making a connection to react by killing them.

So back to the real world. I'm not playing the game and I'm walking down the street. Someone runs into me. My initial reaction from playing that cetain game all the time is or CAN be: "Fucker. Now I'm going to kill him." or "Damn, I wish I could kill him like that game!"

 

Now I don't agree with Yee. But from a psychologist's point of view. Where he pretty much studied for all those years at college to find out how the brain learns and reacts. I can see his concern. I just don't think he's completly right.

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee part2

 

Interviewer:

“Deteriorating roads, high gas prices, failing schools, huge budget deficits, why focus on video games”

Lalaland:

“I am not just focusing on games, I also want mental health professionals to help kids overcome violent games. Did I mention one year olds are carrying guns to school and that college students are mauling down their classmates with automatic weapons? The problem with our society is that by pushing a button our kids learn how to kill and maim people.”(not direct qoute)

Also

“I don’t know of any better way to spend tax payer money than on a long legal battle to protect my bill”

I think his own words in the second part of the interview (which is basically what I have above) does more to discredit him than everything that I have said so far…

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

I like the fact that the statistics aren't important, but these vague studies mean everything.  Here's a hint, large amounts of correlation just mean large amounts of correlation.  I don't care if you have 1,000,000 studies proving a strong correlation, you still don't have any causal proof.

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

You know, You gotta wonder...they talk about so much violence in games like its a new thing... Now correct me if im wrong...but wasnt there a little game in the 90s where you could rip out ppls spines and heads and toss it around? You may have heard of it...Mortal Kombat?  Where were they when this came out? I just love how polititions will always jump on whatever is hot to get more popularity...makes me sick.

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

Hey Gamecyte.

 

Thanks for posting that Interview with Senator Yee.

 

Even though I did not agree with most of the things he said about Videogames, I do understand that sometimes he is just a guy who is trying to do the right thing.

 

But one thing I hate the most is when politicians think that Videogames are meant to be tools for learning...

 

It just makes me think that a Videogame that is fun and enjoyable to me is not important to the Politicians and Parents all because they don't see the importance of just having fun in a Videogame no matter what you might be doing in a videogame.

 

Also I feel that you should not judge people, even kids, who love to play Violent Videogames and label them as possible potential murderers. Sorry for some of my comments there on the videos but it was from my own heart and sometimes my own heart can be upset sometimes every time I hear the same old comments coming from a person who has no real understanding of the Videogame Industry But hey, at least Mr Yee is far more better than Hilary Clinton or Jack Thompson.

 

At least he was able to answer the questions from the Videogamers now that is a good thing I can say about Mr Yee.

 

But yeah, if his legislation is ever going to pass, he need to understand that the legislaton has to work both with the interests of the Videogame Industry and the interests in helping parents understand videogames better.

 

But I don't think any legislation would ever help both sides of the arguments.

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee
They didn't get to my questions. Mine would've dinged him on the methods used on the studies, and his "push a button, learn to kill" assertions (I asked if that was the case, why couldn't I play Madden obsessively and learn to throw like Tom Brady).
Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

 He believes that correlational studies prove a causal link. That of course is a bunch of bull. Lets have some fun with correlational statistics shall we? Almost all of America's violent criminals are soda drinkers; therefore soda is the cause of their violent behavior right? Most younger criminals play violent videogames; therefore videogames are the cause yes? A majority percentage of child abusers have kids of their own; therefore children are an underlying cause am I right? No, of course not, I'm so wrong! If you flip any of those statistics in the opposite direction it will tell a different tale. Most soda drinkers are not criminals, most gamers are not criminals, and most children are never abused by their parents. My point is that correlational studies don't prove jack shit and if one tries hard enough they can find a link between any two unrelated things or ideas.

I would venture to guess that almost every person in the U.S. currently serving time in prison has at one point or another watched a violent television program, read a violent book, or played a violent videogame. I can use this statistic to make the assumption that entertainment in general is the cause of all of their circumstances. I would be a complete idiot for coming to this conclusion but I could go on Fox News and be hailed as a hero while  being cited as an expert on violent media. 

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

Leland Yee "La La La, I can't here you.  What statistics."

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

I don't mind banning retailers selling M rated games to minors, but parents must be able to decide in the end when their kids should have access to the content by buying for them. The "M" rating is now the "Adults Only" rating guys.

---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians. http://www.goteamretard.com

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

what video game can you "urinate on someone"?

"legions and legions of parents who have said, 'great job, it is absolutely incredible someone has finally figured out we need to do something about this'" does he think he is some sort of pioneer?

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

I think you can in Postal 2.  I saw it in an X-Play review back in 2003.

Re: GameCyte Video Interview with California's Leland Yee

listening to him he is truly a politican and quite a good one he knows how to talk (and make logic circles if your not paying attention

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