Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2 Controversy

May 20, 2008 -

The Phoenix News has published the first of what are likely to be numerous mainstream media stories on violent new features in the upcoming Gears of War 2.

GamePolitics readers may recall that the original GoW, released in 2006, was banned in Germany over government concerns about the game's level of violence.

Citing a Yahoo! Games report which detailed a press event held last week by Microsoft in San Francisco, the newspaper frets over a pair of new moves:

A popular video game for the Xbox 360 is getting a sequel this year - and it seems to be raising eyebrows with its level of gore and detail... The game... features a chainsaw for melee attacks.

 

In the demo, the player can use the chainsaw to cut a person in half, starting at the groin and moving upwards. Also, players can pick up the corpses of fallen enemies and use them as a "meat shield" to protect themself from enemy fire as they engage in battle from behind the corpse.


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Hello!

I'm an Austrian studying in video games and a regular reader of Gamepolitics.com

"Gears of War" actually was not "banned" in Germany, but "indiziert". Which means it can only be sold and advertised to adults. Speaking about it is therefore also prohibited in public.

Banned games in Germany are "Mortal Kombat 2+3", "Manhunt", "Dead Rising", "Condemned - Criminal Origins" and the international version of "Scarface - The World Is Yours".

For a game, getting banned in Germany means it has to get the attention of a court.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

 It's too bad 18 year olds are SO much more mature than 17 year olds (because they totally are) or Epic could just slap on AO rating on it and not have to think twice about toning it down a notch.

seriously though, you can't sell mature games to minors anyway so the AO rating difference of 1 freakin' year is kind of moot.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

wow. this game is so grey even the gore looks grey! give us more grey my beloved graymedevelopers! grey walls, grey trees, grey sky, grey aliens, grey vehicles, grey flesh! awesome greyness is awesome grey!
 

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but couldn´t you use LIVE soldiers in metal gear solid as meat shields? you could also snap their necks if you held them long enough and feel the snap through the controller, no? now that´s a real murder simulator :p

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

"....the player can use the chainsaw to cut a person in half, starting at the groin and moving upwards. Also, players can pick up the corpses of fallen enemies and use them as a "meat shield" to protect themself from enemy fire as they engage in battle from behind the corpse."

 

box quote anyone?

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I don't have the patience to read through all these replies, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the first one to point out that the chainsaw isn't starting from the groin. He sticks it in his lower spine and goes up. Intentional inaccuracies such as this are the kind of things that fuel ignorance of the ignorant. Next we'll have parents on the 11 o'clock talking about how they're afraid their kids are going to attack their genitals with landscaping equipment in the night.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

you know the second i hear something like cutting people form the crotch upward i have to play it. that just sounds to good to miss.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

So 15 years of "instagib" on multiplayer games goes unnoticed and THIS is what people are upset about?

Oh wait, its an election year... nevermind...

even "righteous indignation" feels like its being outsourced lately.

The meat shield might be

The meat shield might be something new, but chainsaws certainly aren't.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Doesn't this kind of thing happen every day in Iraq?

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

I think I can speak for everyone here when I say...

 

This is totally awesome.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

The bandwagon's a little late to the party, eh?

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

They're also factually incorrect about two things;

A Mature rating recommends, but cannot bar or prohibit people under 17 from playing the game (as opposed to 16 stated in the article)

Precedent has shown that no law can bar or prohibit the sale of any media (unless we're dealing with explicit pornography) and remain consititutionally sound, just ask Jack "Epic Fail" Thompson.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Controversy up the ass when this comes out

 

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Of all things they make a hoopla over this? What about the chain saw in GoW 1, the curb stopping, the Torque bow, the grenade tag, the Krill ripping ou limb from limb, the gooey head explosions from sniper shots, the bodies dismembered by Wretches, ect, ect, ect. Man, talk about turning a blind eye...

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Bandwagon chasers follow hype, not its actual content.

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OK, lemme get this straight, its bad to cut people in half from the groin up with a chainsaw but its okay to cut james bond in half from the groin up with a laser?


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Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

I don't understand why Yahoo! Games would even do a write-up like that.  Its really no different from a lot of games that have come and gone over the years.  The original Yahoo! story came up as a featured story on their main page, which suggests it is content to attract readers.  It's a VERY unusual article from a writer who is part of the "enthusiast" section of Yahoo!.

Of course, other outlets will be picking up on this now, which may fan the flames of another panic...

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I guess they were okay with the original bloody chainsaw attacks, since there were less animations used. After all I didn't hear any controversy buzz around the first GoW. Like others have implied here, using a LIVE PERSON as a shield seems more brutal than a corpse that can't feel anything.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Hey, Arnold used a dead body as a meat shield in Total Recall, so why can't we do that in a game? I guess people don't like their kids learning good ideas for how to survive on the battlefield...

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Thank god the media is protecting us from alien homicide simulators.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Splinter Cell was the game. You could grab a hostile and aim over his shoulder. But wait, where is the uproar? Oh, there isn't any, because you're fighting terrorists. Nevermind the game being more realistic than GoW.

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Also, players can pick up the corpses of fallen enemies and use them as a "meat shield" to protect themself from enemy fire as they engage in battle from behind the corpse.

Like in Total Recall where the hero grabs a bad guy and uses him as a meat shield? Video games have caught up to the violence in movies in the 80's? *sigh*

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Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Monster shields are pretty useful they are dead and can't feel pain so by holding them up you are protected. :P

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

If you ask me, the concept sounds pretty disgusting.

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I've always had an issue with the meat-shield concept -- namely, would it really provide that much protection?  I guess if you're carrying around a body clad in kevlar armour, that could help, but it obviously didn't help the poor sod who was wearing it.  Even the live hostage thing has always given me pause; most videogame baddies are portrayed as self-interested killers for hire or single-minded armed drones, neither of which strike me as personalities that would have any problem shooting their own allies for the chance to take down the protagonist.

But I'm liking this news about the chainsaw.  Maybe they could combine the ideas: carving the limbs and head off a body would leave a perfectly serviceable torso that would actually resemble a shield.  (Cue new enraged headline: "GP commenter discloses grisly new ideas for battles, proving all gamers are sociopaths.")

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Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

I know Gears is set in a futuristic world where weaponry may be different.  As far as modern weapons go, most bullets are designed specifically to not penetrate the target but to "tumble" and inflict as much internal damage as possible.  For this reason, a "meat shield" would actually prove very effective against hollow point bullets and most assault rifle ammo.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

  I don't think any of those things are particularly original.

  Chainsaws have been in other games including the Doom series, and GTA Vict City

  You can slice people in half in No More Heroes (a game which would undoubtedly catch a lot of crap if it were more mainstream)

  I'm sure I've played games where I can take human sheilds before, but I cannot think of what they were off the top of my head.

  It seems like the real issue isn't that you can do these things in Gears 2, but that they will look good. I've still seen all of this and worse in movies that never got so much as a second glance from the what-about-the-childrens people or the media.

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It seems like it's getting more and more about how "lifelike" (or more accurately in this day and age), how "holywood" glamorized it's been given.

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Nintendo isn't gonna do anything cause its anime.

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Dude, if there is a monster that is coming at me to kill me and I had two choicies between a beating stick or a Chainsaw. I would go for the Chainsaw.... I would keep the beating stick though...

Did I hear chainsaw?

Well, the meat shield part just makes sense. I would do it if I had to. They're dead, you're getting shot at, hey, look, a dead body which could provide me with cover! As for the chainsaw...bloody hell awesome! Chainsaws are always fun!

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The thing to remember is that after death is sacred. I've heard before that games in certain regions must not alow desecration (by shooting, or any other interaction) of dead bodies.

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CONSIDER WHAT YOURE KILLING YOU PHUTZES!!!

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

In NZ, 16 year olds can legally buy and play Gears of War. Games like Crackdown and Condemned are restricted to only people 18 and above (and strangely so is Doom 2) and Manhunt is banned, but 16 year old can play Gears of War. Seems some classification bodies don't believe the chainsaw is that much of a bad influence. Which I agree with. I don't think chainsaw violence is really that easy to imitate and it usually isn't. (Coincidently, although I have said this, about the chainsaw, for a while now, there was an incident with someone threatening police with a chainsaw a week ago...)

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"In the demo, the player can use the chainsaw to cut a person in half, starting at the groin and moving upwards."

The thing being diced in the game is a MONSTER called a Locsut, which are out to destroy humanity. If humanity is in danger, you can defend yourself with an olive branch all you like, but I'll opt for soemthing more lethal. Also, the enemy race i nthe game isn't real, get over it.

"Also, players can pick up the corpses of fallen enemies and use them as a "meat shield" to protect themself from enemy fire as they engage in battle from behind the corpse."

Oh? Well I've seen a video game where the gunman used a live person as a shield. Oh, wait, that was also the evening news.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Have they seen Sweeney Todd?

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Yeah, but in Sweeny the blood and gore is so obviously fake no one would be overly disturbed by it.  Except maybe blondes, but they have their own problems.

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Remember: It's all about interactivity.

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Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Have they seen Hostel for that matter?

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

And they can make any civilian prisioner and hold them indefinitely in a concentration camp without trial and torture them to obtain information and... Wait a second. I think this is not a game, it's the US Military.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

so whats new? chainsaws have been in games since the original doom and earlier probably and human shields have already been done in games like hitman. A little late to start complaining this is just like the manhunt controversy ignore the first one and then go after the sequel like its this whole new level of violence...

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Does anyone else think that those flying things the locust have look like the sentinals from the matrix?

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Seconded. Lets face it... epic makes great games, but their art design team are real lazy bastards.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

Yes! Finally! I was starting to think that I was the only one who noticed it.

Re: Meat Shield, New Chainsaw Attack Prompting Gears of War 2

The only thing that came to mind with this story was quite literally "So What?" Like the first responder said, the game isn't even out yet, and it's not intended for minors in the first place.

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