Judge's Jack-is-Guilty Recommendation: We Have the Document
Judge's Jack-is-Guilty Recommendation: We Have the Document
May 23, 2008
Earlier this week GamePolitics broke the news that a referree appointed by the Florida Supreme Court had issued a recommendation that anti-game attorney Jack Thompson be found guilty on 27 counts of professional misconduct.
The referree, Judge Dava Tunis (left), wrote that she based her recommendations upon testimony and documents submitted during Thompson's nine-day trial on charges brought by the Florida Bar. While the final ruling on Thompson's status will come from the Florida Supreme Court later this year, Judge Tunis has scheduled a hearing on June 4th to discuss possible sanctions.
For his part, Thompson has filed a motion in federal court to stop the June 4th hearing from taking place. He is also alleging that Judge Tunis isn't really a judge because a required state loyalty oath wasn't properly signed. All of which reminds GP of a saying often attributed to Thompson's law school classmate, Al Gore:
When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, holler.
Read Judge Tunis's recommendations (5-page PDF)...
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Posted 08/30/08 at 01:04am
Brokenscope: No they can't legally drink. But the bars near most bases don't give a fuck.
Brokenscope: No they can't legally drink. But the bars near most bases don't give a fuck.
Posted 08/29/08 at 11:11pm
Dark Sovereign: @zip: I believe that military can drink at 18 in the U.S. And these are trained soldiers. It was their personal decision to join
Dark Sovereign: @zip: I believe that military can drink at 18 in the U.S. And these are trained soldiers. It was their personal decision to join
Posted 08/29/08 at 03:21pm
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: because they are hurt/disabled and can't drink yet, I know lower the drinking age!! Make im real adults. :P
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: because they are hurt/disabled and can't drink yet, I know lower the drinking age!! Make im real adults. :P
Posted 08/29/08 at 02:50pm
Dark Sovereign: I have one question: Why are soldiers constantly treated as victims and children?
Dark Sovereign: I have one question: Why are soldiers constantly treated as victims and children?
Posted 08/29/08 at 02:45pm
Dark Sovereign: @thefremen: Glad to see you haven't left the past yet. I'll wait until you're in 2008.
Dark Sovereign: @thefremen: Glad to see you haven't left the past yet. I'll wait until you're in 2008.
Posted 08/29/08 at 02:18pm
Meggie: *doing
Meggie: *doing
Posted 08/29/08 at 02:17pm
Meggie: Dr. Phil is going an Everquest addiction episode, this a repeat?
Meggie: Dr. Phil is going an Everquest addiction episode, this a repeat?
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:52am
ZippyDSMlee: feeman:DS is saying goverment would exspand more if the duims get in, he's probly right.
ZippyDSMlee: feeman:DS is saying goverment would exspand more if the duims get in, he's probly right.
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:51am
thefremen: LOL, yes, the government has not expanded at all in the last 8 years, especially not for the benefit of corporate entities.
thefremen: LOL, yes, the government has not expanded at all in the last 8 years, especially not for the benefit of corporate entities.
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:51am
thefremen: LOL, yes, the government has not expanded at all in the last 8 years, especially not for the benefit of corporate entities.
thefremen: LOL, yes, the government has not expanded at all in the last 8 years, especially not for the benefit of corporate entities.
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:43am
ZippyDSMlee: DS- http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?p=84679#post84679 In OT BTW
ZippyDSMlee: DS- http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?p=84679#post84679 In OT BTW
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:32am
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: Sure ^^
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: Sure ^^
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:29am
Dark Sovereign: @zip: Make the thread. I'm just not active there.
Dark Sovereign: @zip: Make the thread. I'm just not active there.
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:28am
SimonBob: Heh, I was just playing with the semantics for my own amusement, not trying to shoehorn my way into the argument.
SimonBob: Heh, I was just playing with the semantics for my own amusement, not trying to shoehorn my way into the argument.
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:28am
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: Iwish you would join the forums so we can have a full conversation these shouts are stifling!
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: Iwish you would join the forums so we can have a full conversation these shouts are stifling!
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:27am
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign:force them into the wilderness to die off...this is the reality of not taking into account what to do with the lower classes.
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign:force them into the wilderness to die off...this is the reality of not taking into account what to do with the lower classes.
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:26am
Dark Sovereign: @zip: What are you talking about? Less government means less taxes. Less taxes means more money in average Joe's pockets.
Dark Sovereign: @zip: What are you talking about? Less government means less taxes. Less taxes means more money in average Joe's pockets.
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:26am
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: you DO realize there were roving shanty towns and poor hosues before social secuty was started? they were hives for poverty and disease,hell with todays "cleanliness" in housing code you can not have them anymore and states will just forc
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: you DO realize there were roving shanty towns and poor hosues before social secuty was started? they were hives for poverty and disease,hell with todays "cleanliness" in housing code you can not have them anymore and states will just forc
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:22am
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: noobies and their silly definition ^_~, but I ahve to ask how do you keep millions off the streets, taking twice as much money from states without social security and health care?
ZippyDSMlee: Dark Sovereign: noobies and their silly definition ^_~, but I ahve to ask how do you keep millions off the streets, taking twice as much money from states without social security and health care?
Posted 08/29/08 at 10:22am
Dark Sovereign: You ASSUME that not giving tons of handouts to people will make them poor. America itself shows you are wrong.
Dark Sovereign: You ASSUME that not giving tons of handouts to people will make them poor. America itself shows you are wrong.
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GP, have you heard from JT at all since this story first broke?
oooooh, yes. In fact, I'll be writing about that in the next few days. Stay tuned...
Awesome.
HAH!!! HELL YEAH!!!
I AM A LOST SOUL, CONDEMNED TO HAUNT THE DREAMS OF JOHN BRUCE "JACK" THOMPSON UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS. SOMEONE, PLEASE! END MY SUFFERING!
sweeeeeeet!
It's going to be a very long post isn't it?
You usually don't write about the random spam he sends you, so this really must be something. Did he make an insulting picture book again? Over the years you've written some pretty awful things about him, and every word of it was true. Or sent in by the man himself! It isn't slander if it's the truth, he seems confused about that point.
Well it'd be a bit more important than the usual rants I suspect, this is a tipping point after all. He should be given the chance to gloat so he gives us ammunition for when he gets disbarred & WE gloat.
Hehe...can't wait.
“A reasonable man adapts himself to suit his environment. An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” George Bernard Shaw
Believe it or not Mr. Thompson, but trying to put off the inevitable is only doing exactly that, putting off the inevitable. Just take it like an adult, and give up now, you've lost. Even if she wasn't a real judge and they gave you a retrial with a new referee you'd still go down. You know why? It's because you're guilty.
i cant believe he uses the honorific "esquire"
It's a bogus honorific somebody gives themself when they don't really have much more than exceptional social standing- the term itself is vague here in the U.S., and is really only used by lawyers- the term is usually associated with them.
Also- it's considered egotistical to call one's self "esquire"- it's usually only reserved when beign addressed to. Not that Jack would know.
Also by young men in bands who's destiny is to save the world.
Wyld Stallions Rule!!!
Link doesn't work.
---Oh sure, its fine when a monkey does it. But when I throw barrels at an Italian plumber, they call it a hate crime! - Stephen Colbert
try it again link worked for me
It works now for me
---Oh sure, its fine when a monkey does it. But when I throw barrels at an Italian plumber, they call it a hate crime! - Stephen Colbert
4-8.4 (a) is Guilty cubed 0_o wow now THAT'S guilty :P
The cubed sign signifies a footnote.
---Oh sure, its fine when a monkey does it. But when I throw barrels at an Italian plumber, they call it a hate crime! - Stephen Colbert
I like Cheater's version better.
I dunno about that...
The footnote means John was originally NOT GUILTY, but it was changed to GUILTY due to his own actions post-trial. I'd have to say that's DAMNED funny :)
JT trying to stop the ruling from happening? Wow, that was a shocker. ;) Seriously, JT's just mad at this point that he's going to get slapped, so now he just wants to have the game called a tie and he wants to take his football home and mope.
I wonder if he'll be found guilty of trying to stop the ruling against him.
Regarding the Judge Tunis Loyalty oath issue:
http://justicebuilding.blogspot.com/2008/05/you-asked-for-it.html
The memo referred to in said article:
http://www.dailybusinessreview.com/images/news_photos/48729/Close_out_memo.pdf
'Nuff said.
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I like JusticeBlog's coverage of the forgery issue:
"You're who? He did what? We care why?"
Pretty much boils down to "we don't know why so-and-so would forge judges' loyalty oaths, and frankly, since after learning that they had to, they signed new ones, it doesn't matter."
I like one columnists' view (although he was talking about a teacher in Cali):
"Loyalty oaths are soooo 1950's..."
-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...
Any chance we will get to see the 400 (?)+ documents with "pictorials" JT Submitted?
Ok, well, my initial post was flagged because it had links to info about the judge Tunis loyalty oath.
So, search for justicebuilding at blogspot and look at the article called "you asked for it". That article puts the issue to rest.
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...be an adult about your fate, if your simple brain can comprehend such things.
Can Jack go to another state to get a new law license?
He can try, but that also requires that state's bar association to accept him as a member, and being disbarred anywhere is a big strike against him. And he still wouldn't be able to practice law in Florida, since the Florida bar probably wouldn't be inclined to be giving guest lawyer privileges to somebody they just tossed out on his ear. IANAL, though, so I may be wrong about some parts of this.
You're correct though, if anything, you understate the difficulty of getting licensed elsewhere. Being disbarred is more than a big strike, it's a virtual certainty that no other jursidiction would give him a license.
Also, don't overlook the fact that he wouldn't be able to get admitted anywhere pro hac vice (as a "visiting" lawyer). Judges don't grant pro hac vice motions where the would-be lawyer is not licensed somewhere else.
Of course all this assumes that disbarment will be the ultimate decision. That seems likely, but it's not decided yet.
Jack, as you are disbarred, and move on to a new position, remember this.
1. Always upsell. ("Would you like the extended warantee with that? Do you need batteries?")
2. Always make sure you clean the grease stains off of your uniform.
3. Make sure that you wring as much of the water out of the mop as possible.
4. If your drawer is off, you may get fired. So make sure its not.
5.Hurry hurry hurry.
6. Remember the greeting. ("Welcome to Wal-Mart. Would you like a cart?")
I dunno, most of those jobs sound even too complicated for his simple mind... :P
At least we now know what four charges Tunis recommended JT's acquittal of.
I AM A LOST SOUL, CONDEMNED TO HAUNT THE DREAMS OF JOHN BRUCE "JACK" THOMPSON UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS. SOMEONE, PLEASE! END MY SUFFERING!
Please end our suffering and stop posting.
(From Alabama Pro Hac Vice Application) Engaging in conduct intended to disrupt a tribunal
(From Judge Moore's Complaint) Engaging in conduct intended to disrupt a tribunal
(From Blank Rome's complaint) Making statements that the lawyer knows to be false or with reckless disregard as to the truth or falsity concerning qualifications or integrity of a judge
(From Judge Freidman's Complaint) Engaging in conduct involving dishonesty , fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation
"(From Blank Rome's complaint) Making statements that the lawyer knows to be false or with reckless disregard as to the truth or falsity concerning qualifications or integrity of a judge"
^^ He's guilty of this one in the Judge Friedman Complaint
"(From Judge Freidman's Complaint) Engaging in conduct involving dishonesty , fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation"
^^ And he's guilty of this one in the Alabama case
I must say that reading every single one of those "GUILTY" statements at the end of each line was very satisfying perfect anger management for the average gamer.
This was a very rather boring document to read. It's little more than a list of charges followed by Guilty (mostly) or Not Guilty. But I suppose filling a legal document with snarky remarks isn't what a competent and professional member of the court does. So, I'll have to wait for Dennis to put up Jack Thompson's response if I'm going to get some real laughs.
I wonder if now that he's likely to get disbarred he can go to work a Fox News full time as their "First Amendment Corresopndant".
Maybe they were tossed in there in a effort to break up the redundancy of all the guilties?
It's dependant on each instance of where these laws are being applied, i.e. from which complaint. Yes we can say his conduct and writings are in breach of those rules, but maybe not in those specific circumstances. Infact, 2 of the rules that he was found not guilty of he was found guilty in a different circumstance.
Somehow, it is a bit sad that the whole Jack Thompson is finally almost over. It's like watching a trainwreck, and having to cleanup afterwards.
A super-fun trainwreck. He finally will get all what he deserves.
This is in spanish :lol http://thelostlevel.blogspot.com/
If I know Jack, he's going to quit and save face. That way he isn't technically disbarred, and he can go get licensed somewhere else. It's the "you can't fire me, I quit" technique.
---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
Too late for that trick. Remember what Judge Moore told him in Alabama? "You can't quit. I've already fired you."
Even if he was able to quit, this guilty verdit will follow him around wherever he goes. Not a pretty stamp for his record.
And if I know him, he's going to whine and moan and bitch and kick and scream like the four-year-old in a 55-year old's body that he is, and continue to clog the system with nonsense till d-day.
he already is...
didn't he tried to get the feds (who may i point out is ignoring him) involved?
Jack quit? Not a chance!
If he quits where will his cry of conspiracy go? How can he uphold his self image of a crusader of justice against his arch nemesis Mr. Zelnick of Take-Two?
Jack will hold out to the bitter end and continue on long after his license has been revoked. I also suspect Fox News will throw him on for some ratings until the gaming community brings down the truth hammer by blasting Fox News and the rest of the Internet with the fact that he's been disbarred for dishonesty among many other charges.
If there is one thing Jack Thompson is not... It's a quitter. However, the brick wall of truth he keeps ramming his head against is still there.
-Loudspeaker
"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."
Shouldn't we want to take the address out of the pdf?
I hear that when news of Jack's filing with the federal court started making the rounds at the courthouse, five judges put in for immediate vacation time.
"... and if you're down with Jack Thompson getting disbarred, HOLLER BACK!"
Out of curiosity, what are the 4 charges he's not guilty of? If it's in the PDF, forgive me for being too lazy to skim it.
two counts of "engaging in conduct intended to disrupt a tribunal" (Alabama Pro Hack Vice Application, Judge Moore's Complaint)
one count of "making statements that the lawyer knows to be false or with reckless disregard as to the truth or falsity concerning the qualifications or integrity of a judge" (Blank Rome's Complaint)*
one count of "engaging in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation" (Judge Friedman's Complaint)*
*he's guilty of these on the other complaints, making him 1 for 3 in case he tries to claim these as victories
岩「…Ace beats Jack」
"...alleging that Judge Tunis isn't really a judge because a required state loyalty oath wasn't properly signed..."
Now, though I rather doubt it will be, if this is proven true then every case she has ever ruled on will be thrown out the window, thus if she every put someone away on for say....a quadruple homicide or serial rape, they'd alllll be released...
That's not at all true. It's already been found that Judge Tunis had a defected loyalty oath because someone other than she signed her name to it. She's already admitted that it was a forgery. But all that does is call into question her right to hold office. And that question is now pretty much moot because she has recently executed a loyality oath by her own signature. But even for the time that she didn't have a good oath, the legal doctrine called "de facto judge" functions to ensure that her jurisdiction and the validity of her rulings are still intact. The doctrine is based upon the notion that just because a judge has not satisfied all the routine requirements to hold office (e.g., swearing a loyalty oath) their status, at worst, can only change from a so-called "de jure judge" (judge by law) to that of a "de facto judge" (judge by fact). And, as a matter of law, the actions of a de facto judge as just as legally binding as those of a de jure judge. So, if she sent you up the river to do four life sentences on a quadruple homocide, you ain't coming back down the river just because of a defective oath.
Pardon my french, but it's not like he'd give a shit if that was the result if it did happen, so long as he avoids a slap on the wrist.
I'm curious to know which lawyer approved Jack's motion to stop the hearing. Was it his wife? Or did he forego that step entirely? Violating his subpoena will only make things worse for him.
The order from the Supreme Court of Florida which requires Jack to have another attorney sign his filings only applies to his filings with the Supreme Court of Florida. He's free to file with his own signature in any and all other courts. He filed his motion seeking to avoid the June 4th hearing in a U.S. federal court (the Southern District of Florida), not the Florida Supreme Court and he's prefectly free to do so.
Nuts. Oh well. Thanks for clearing that up. Guess I just have to wait and see what June 4th holds now.
Jack may have forgotten about the subpoena. He seems to do that to anything that he is not able to twist into a personal "victory".
Jack is finally going down. He may be going down kicking and screaming (like we all new he would), but still, he's going down.
When did Jack Thompson get unbanned from the comments section? Was this a recent thing?
From: Fake Jake Thompson, Esq. and Gadfly.
TO. VP Dick Cheney
RE:The stuff has hit the fan.
Dear Dick:
You may remember me from the 60 minutes episode on video games. Also I appeared on a Sesame Street episode on video games. The Grouch is playing a video game. I take it away from him and lecture him on the danger of video games, and then the cookie monster hits me over the head with a cookie jar. It was great family fun!
Anyway, a liberal commie pinko Judge who has not taken a valid loyalty oath, by the unlikely name of Dava Tunis, has found me guilty (imagine that! ME. of all people) of violating some cockamamie bar rules because I was in sweet home Alabama fighting the good fight. (You guys won Alabama both times, right? Florida too by the by.) Anyway, I voted for you guys, no hanging chad, and I have been a front line solider in the war on obscenity. That's me- GI Jack, guns blazzing, killing pinko commies all in the name of protecting our children from violence on TV. Now its time I call in a favor. Do a "Guantanamo" on Dava Tunis for me. Make it so she disappears. You know- the old "leave the gun take the Canolli" type of deal on the broad. Once she is out of the picture, its clear sailing for our conservative agenda, at least until Janauary 2009, unless you guys can cook something else up and suspend the election. And if you do suspend the election, you will need lawyers like me, on the front lines, fighting those "democratic pinkos" shouting first amendement crap and all that other stuff.
So Dick, may I suggest you invite the good Judge Tunis on a hunting trip? Get out the old shotgun, and woops! And end to my problems and clear sailing for you guys. Or how about a nice little indictment on forgery? Haul her robbed butt into federal court and turn some of your federal tigers on her. Or maybe enlist her to teach the Iraqis something about american justice. Send her into Fallujah, and a little road side device can send her to an early retirement.
Anyway, I'll be like the president and leave the dirty details to you. This should be fun. I can't wait to see what you cook up.
Your Pal, standing side by side with in the war against video games and to save america. Those games are way too violent. I say we stand the whole lot of the programmers up against a wall and BADA BING two nice shots each between the eyes. It will save america and you will be a hero in the cultural wars.
Fake Jake Thompson, Esq. (for a while more anyway) and gadfly. (They can't take being a gadfly away from me,)
Now everyone point and laugh at Jacky.
Judge Tunis, give us the word and we will make Jack "disappear" if you'd like.
Yes, this is exactly what we need. More moronic threats of violence against Thompson from a gamer. Way to go.
Something I think you all need to see.
http://www.ahrc.com/new/index.php/src/news/sub/article/action/ShowMedia/...
Not sure if this is legit or not, but it looks like jack might have found a loophole outta his punishment.
See JackDon'tKnowJack's comments a few posts up. Essentially, as he said it's a moot issue because even if her one signing was forged, the subsequent one was genuine. And there are other clauses in place to make sure that if incidents such as these did happen, their rulings could still be upheld. As always, Jack is trying to split legal hairs here as he's desperately looking for an out, which he wouldn't do if he didn't think he was in real trouble. Take it as a good sign. :)
Wow...so there's some badly misinformed nutcase out there who believed and actually PUBLISHED Jack Thompson's press release? This has to be a first. Read her profile (go through the various links). She seems to be another "religious, protect the children" type.
There's not one, but two. Scroll down to the end of the thread.
Oh, I already knew about Bob Hurt. That's the guy who advocates eugenics and a basic reconstruction of the U.S. Government to basically take over and regulate every facet of society and throwing out all the illegals and institutionalizing the "dumb" (or, at least, now allowing them to breed)? Gosh, where have we heard that before?
Yeah, that guy's nucking futs.
Erm...."not allowing them to breed"
Sorry.
Jack Thompson and Bob Hurt. There's an apporpriate saying in Spanish which translates roughly into, "God makes them but they bring themselves together."
who is cgoing to lock for legal advace from an articale titled kleptomanaks on the lose impster jugdes anyway
Nope. the only loop is that of the noose slowly tightening around Jack's neck.
First, the mere fact that Judge Tunis didn't have a valid loyalty oath does not invalidate her jurisdiction or her rulings made in any matter before her. It only invalidates her right to hold office. She may not have been a de jure judge (judge by law) but she was a de facto judge (judge by fact). That's the essence of the "de facto judge" doctrine as articualted by the Florida Supreme Court. Second, the only way to legally challenge the right of a public official to hold their office is through seeking a writ of quo warranto. A writ of quo warranto is what's called an "extraordinary form of relief" (which roughly translates into "damn near impossible to get"). Under Florida law, a writ of quo warranto is also what's called a "sole and adequate remedy." When a litigant has a sole and adequate remedy, the law requires that they only pursue that remedy and no other purported remedy. Therefore, if the litigant tries to substitute that remedy for another -- such as running to cry, bitch, and moan to a federal court for a stay of proceeding like Jack's doing -- the federal court will abstain from hearing the litigant and from granting any relief. That's the outcome which is required by the abstention doctrine (which requires that a federal court abstain from interfering in a state matter in which the party before them has an adequate state remedy).
What's all this legal mumbo-jumbo really mean? It means that Jack is screwed and all his loyalty oath nonsense ain't doing a damn thing to unscrew him.
Now, of course, the fact that the lazy, corner-cutting asses at the Dade County courthouse apparently had someone in the payroll office signing and notarizing the judges' loyalty oaths on their behalf provides Jack with a perfect opportunity to muddy the waters. And muddy them he will. He's actually pretty good at muddying the waters. But so what? The courts (state and federal) are also pretty good at sitting on a case long enough for any muddied waters to settle. Once the silt that Jack's stirred up settles back to the bottom, the courts will clearly see that he ain't nothing but a mud-stirrer. And a mud-slinger, to boot.
*yawn* When is this going to be over with already?
Heh... well, it seems that now Jack or one of his supporters, or some joker, has a new article up... one that just showed up in my emai for Google Alerts
http://www.ahrc.com/new/index.php/src/news/sub/article/action/ShowMedia/...
... considering all the time it takes to work through the Thompson case, I highly doubt that Tunis would be removed from office in fast measure, especially when the person trying to alert the bar has no voice, as his ability to file the documents was taken away...
Do some research on Wendy Clardy (the author of the post at ahrc). In fact, just make your life easy and Google "Wendy Clardy" and "This is How They Stole My House." You may -- or may not -- agree with me that, while Ms. Clardy's circumstances and the outcome of her mortgage foreclosure are unfortunate, Wendy Clardy is little more than a disgruntled litigant who thinks, despite obvious facts to contrary, the courts have somehow colluded with others to deprive her of her rights and property. There are plenty of these malcontents floating arond the intertubes. And, because Jack himself is little more than a malcontent who thinks everyone is colluding against him to deprive him of his rights, he will tend to strike a repsonsive and sympathetic note with the other malcontents. Birds of a feather flock together.
The Loyalty Oath that is being discussed dates back to the McCarthy era. The original form wanted to assure the State of Florida employee was not a "communist", or a member of such political party. Thereafter, the Florida legislature changed the form to request all employees sign a Loyalty Oath to promise to follow the laws of the State. THIS IS NOT AN OATH ONLY FOR JUDGES. This applies to all employees including toll-collectors, teachers, public work personnel, librarians, solid waste management, law enforcement...get the picture? Anyone employeed by the State of Florida. It has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with being a judge.
There is another document called: Oath Of Loyalty, which is kept on file in the State's capitol. That is filled out by any judge upon appointment or election to the court, and sent out by the Governor's office or Department of Elections. That is a document for judges' which commemorates their Oath of Office and gives them the authority to act in their judicial capacity. This matter involves no irregularities with the Oath of Loyalty.
So these are two separate and distinct documents, which in this discourse, have been incorrectly merged.
End of discussion, as there is no real issue.
The distinction you attempt to draw isn't quiet so clear to me as it apparently is to you. The salient issues, as I see them, are whether, in the case of Judge Tunis, Florida Stautes 876.06, et seq., was satisfied, and, if not, what are the ramifications of that failure to her decisions in Mr. Thompson's disciplinary proceeding. This has nothing to do with two distinct Oaths. To the best of my knowledge, there's only one statute (i.e., Section 876.06) which creates the requirement of an Oath. The relevant statute, if any, (i.e., the applicable law) is always the touchstone of any meaningful legal analysis. So, unless you're saying that there are two distinct statutes in play, I'm not entirely clear on just what it is you're trying to say.
Aha, so it's just another case of JT taking multiple pieces of unrelated data, merging them in a way that makes no sense, legally or otherwise, but yelling that the original pieces of data were facts at one poin, they prove him right, and continuing to yell until folks start to believe him.
*continues looking forwards to June 4*
The ahrc article sure seems to imply the invalidity of Florida Judges (2000-2007) as fact. If this was true, would that not be a national-headline worthy occurrence? An entire State's worth of judges being in office falsely is big news.
Its quite telling that JT would resort to such efforts to save his career- if he were TRULY innocent, would he not be fighting tooth and nail with facts pertaining to his conduct? That's like murdering someone and fighting the conviction on the premise that your handcuffs weren't put on correctly.
The whole "Florida judges have no valid oaths and must be removed from office" is the brain-child (if you wanna call it that) of Bob Hurt, one of Jack's supporters and the person I suspect is responsible for filling Jack's empty head with that rubbish. Mr. Hurt, who blogs extensively, also believes that persons with an IQ below 90 should be forbidden from procreation. He also has some peculiar solutions to the "problem" of African-Americans and Jews in the United States. If there wasn't an obvious possibility that Mr. Hurt's just a few fries short a Happy Meal, a reader may come away angry. As it is, however, he's ridiculously hilarious. Mr. Hurt, who isn't licensed to pratice law nor holds any law degree, also fancies himself as a legal scholar of sorts. Which is kinda like me, without a license to pratice medicine or a medical degree, fancying myself as a brain surgeon.
He's also been banned from wikkipedia for spamming nonsense to their entry on U.S. income tax (seems he's also a "tax protestor" and claims that the U.S. goverment has no authority to levy personal income tax).
You mean this guy:
http://bobhurt.blogspot.com/
His blog is full of some pretty outrageous shit. Nice to see someone so passionate about blogging. I thought JT thought bloggers were losers with no life...
Yep. That would be Mr. Hurt. He also has a Googlegroup site which hosts a lot of Jack Thompson's ramblings and rantings. He recently closed it to all but registered members after wikki, in banning him, used the fact that he was urging his readers to use wikki as a soapbox for a number of half-baked issues. The guy's a piece of work, in my opnion. No wonder that he and Jack Thompson are kindred spirits.
Bob Hurt's beating the drum on behalf of Jack Thompson and his cockamamie "loyalty oath" defense:
tcfcreporter(dot)blogspot(dot)com(slash)2008(slash)05(slash)oathes-of-office-lawsuit(dot)html
Mr. Hurt is in Clearwater? I have often wondered, since JT himself is in Florida, does he have any ties to Scientology? Does this Bob Hurt guy?
No ties that I know of other than a remarkable propensity for both Jack, Bob Hurt, and Scientologists to say and do some whacky things. Jack's a Prebyterian. Best as I can tell, Bob Hurt's a Facist.
Yes, truth is stranger than fiction, but I still can't believe this one:
There is a Florida attorney by the name of Mary Alice Gwynn who apparently is the subject of a current disciplinary proceeding by the Florida Bar. Ms. Gwynn has apparently chosen as her legal representative in this matter, from among the thousands of other available attorneys, none other than my favorite incompetent nit-wit . . . (drumroll, please) . . . John B. Thompson, Esq!!
Steak dinner at Morton's on me for the first poster who can explain this one to me (and, yes, you can order the 5 lb. lobster at market price, I don't care).
Jack needs a lawyer in good standing to countersign his filings. Gwynn apparently agreed to be that lawyer. She also has filed a RICO suit against the Bar alleging preferential treatment for members insured be a specific company. All in all, Jack has a vested interest in maintaining Gwynn's good standing.
If Jack indeed has a vested interest in seeing Ms. Gwynn remain in good standing with the Bar, isn't that all the more reason for him to stay as far away from her disciplinary proceeding as possible?
Still, you've made a fair attempt at explaining the inexplicable and no contestant leaves empty-handed. You wanna Whopper with Cheese?
Is the news of Ms Gwynn's involvement coming from her or from JT? Mr Thompson has a long history of lying about who he is in cahoots with.
Initially, it comes from Jack Thompson (part of a motion he's apparently filed with the federal court in Miami and which he published at jaablog). And, yes, Jack has a long history of lying. Period. However, the fact that there is some collaborative effort afoot between Thompson and Gwyn does have some corroboration beyond Jack's mere say-so. As Torven noted, it's been reported in the media that Gwynn filed a RIOC action in federal court and, when inquiries about that case were made of her, she referred inquirers to Jack Thompson. Additionally, the Florida Supreme Court's docket indicates that Jack Thompson has filed a motion on Gwynn's behalf in her disciplinary proceeding.
Don't forget, Jack doesn't think he has done anything wrong. More to the point, I doubt he ever sees his involvement as something detrimental to a case. Since he is pushing the idea that the bar is out to get him, he may be trying to tie his situation to Gwynn's as a means of arguing that they are railroading her simply because she is helping him.
He's already raised that exact argument as to both Mary Alice Gwynn and another attorney by the name of Miles Gopman (i.e., the Bar's initiated disciplinary proceedings against both of them as retribution for them attempting to assist him). Now, of course, it'll never dawn on Jack that the Bar may have initiated those proceedings because Gwynn and Gopman engaged in some sort of professional misconduct. Nor will it dawn on Jack, as it does on me, that the mere fact that you're willfully associated with a disreputable character like him tends to call you're own reputation into disrepute.
"27 of 31 Achievements unlocked"
How many ex-lawyer points does that make?
Ain't but one Morton's Steak and Fried Chicken Shack, my man. And it's on Slauson (little bit past Crenshaw, close by the swap-meet), in South Central L.A.
guilty before charged!
Evil has been defeated
"If you have the law, hammer the law. If you have the facts, hammer the facts. If you have neither the law nor the facts, hammer the table"
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